Clip From “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix” Airs on “Ellen” Show

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May 21, 2007

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As we first told you last week, a brand new scene from the upcoming Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix film was to be broadcast today during the “Ellen” program. This has now aired and the scene featured Professor Dumbledore (Michael Gambon) introducing Professor Umbridge (Imelda Staunton) to the students in the Great Hall of Hogwarts, with reactions from Harry (Dan Radcliffe), Hermione (Emma Watson), Fred and George (James and Oliver Phelps). Also shown during the scene were the adult staff, including Professor McGonagall (Dame Maggie Smith), Professor Flitwick (Warwick Davis), Professor Trelawney (Emma Thompson) and Professor Snape (Alan Rickman). The scene featured Harry speaking briefly to Hermione about Umbridge with Fred and George also commenting,however the bulk of it focused on Umbridge giving her speech, including her rather creepy giggle at the end.
UPDATE # 2: We now have the video clip for you (including an iPod friendly version) here in our galleries. Enjoy!

UPDATE: Stephanie from Rupert Grint.net managed to get the clip, which you can watch via this link. (windows media and please right click etc) Enjoy! Thanks Stephanie!





209 Responses to Clip From “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix” Airs on “Ellen” Show

Avatar Image says: Coolio! Can't wait to see it! :DAvatar Image says: YES!!! Our first clip of the movie!! ...(first post)Avatar Image says: I just watched it on Ellen and recorded it and watched it a couple more times! It's veeeeery very close to how the scene goes in the book!Avatar Image says: no way am i watching that... nooooooo way... must resist......Avatar Image says: Can you put it up on youtube?Avatar Image says: god that clip was bad. i was so excited too.Avatar Image says: Urgh -- that laugh! Umbridge is so creepy. Imelda Staunton was the perfect choice for this role. I'm so excited to see this film; it's going to be great! Avatar Image says: Did Harry, Ron and Hermione actually say anything or was it just expressions?Avatar Image says: Oh darn it, I completely forgot about it. :( I hope leaky puts it up fast on youtube.Avatar Image says: Yay I can't wait to watch it :DAvatar Image says: OMG it was too good imelda was so great in that clip i can tell i gonna love to hate her at the end!!Avatar Image says: I can't wait! Ellen airs here at 4 and I'm going home at lunch to set the VCR! Or, if Leaky gets the clip loaded before then, I'll just watch it here and not worry about the VCR! (Or the gas going home to set it!) I think Imelda Staunton is going to be a great Umbridge! I can't wait to see the clip for a first real glimpse outside the trailers!Avatar Image says: Why was the clip bad?Avatar Image says: I see the scene snape,minerva and umbridge.snape very cute.(livejournal)meanwhile ellen very funny:)Avatar Image says: must...resist...urge...Avatar Image says: OMG OMG OMG I'm going to squee my pants!!!! (ref pottercast 89) lolAvatar Image says: "I don't understand why they followed the book so closely here, when even the book calls the speech really boring." ^ ^ basket- Do they actually show the whole speech?? I hope they will make it a bit shorter than in the book just to get the point across.Avatar Image says: To those who saw it, how long was the clip, and is it shown that the students are stort of bored during her speech, or does the camera focus on Umbridge like what she says is important ?Avatar Image says: It airs 3:00 central on NBC.Avatar Image says: how was the snape-clip?????was it nice????please tell me.................Avatar Image says: Please someone send us a you tube link or just a random link pls!!!I wanna see the clip!!! Is it that bad.I dunno if I understood right but are there 2 clips?bAvatar Image says: I just saw the clip minutes ago and I loved it!! Imelda Staunton does an excellent job with the giggle and Dumbledore looks scared when Prof. Umbridge looks at him. The comment the Weasley twins give is funny. Harry and Hermione are speaking and Ron just has this look while listening to Prof. Umbridge.Avatar Image says: How exciting! HURRY LEAKY!!!Avatar Image says: Sounds awesome. Can't wait to see it. I hope they post soon.Avatar Image says: plz plz post it on youtubeAvatar Image says: "To those who saw it, how long was the clip, and is it shown that the students are stort of bored during her speech, or does the camera focus on Umbridge like what she says is important ?" They shortened the speach... it's just the main parts... like what Hermione recites back to them in the book when she explained why it was so enlightening. It shows Hermione scowling because, like in the book, she gets the jist of what Umbridge is saying before everyone else. And the part where Umbridge says something about being everyone's friends Fred & George say something like 'that's not likely'... something like that.Avatar Image says: I wasn't planning to watch it but I had just got in from running errands, I turn on the TV and their is Umbridge giving her speech. I hated her. It was onderfulAvatar Image says: Come on!! Post it! We all want to see it.Avatar Image says: Snape just did that thing with his eyebrow and acted badass during the whole thing- it's not like he spoke.Avatar Image says: so ,tell us about this: do we see Draco,Luna,Ginny,Parvati,Padma or Cho? How's the cinematography and the atmosphere? Do we see Filch,McGonagall,Trelawney,Grubbly-Plank and Flitwick and do they have lines?Or, how do they react?How are their facial expressions? Which is your general opinion about the scene? Comparing to GOF and POA'S welcome feasts how is that?Even for this brief glimpse of the half scene?Avatar Image says: Ahh, I was here before when there was nothing up, and then I went to class, and I just got back, but there's still nothing!! Come on Leaky!! :)Avatar Image says: between GOF and POA i'd say it's more like GOF. It's really got it's own feel though. The lighting isn't as soft as it was for the scene in POA, but it's not nearly as dark as it was in GOF. I'm actually wondering if this scene was edited down a bit for the clip, because I thought the editing was sort of wierd. It didn't flow very well. Avatar Image says: Johnny: The cinematography was excellent. I particularly liked the overhead shot of Umbridge approaching Dumbledore at the dais. He cropped off as if to symbolise (and forshadow) how he's being cornered in. Trelawney was funny (but not SILLY-funny) as she's seen chewing nervously on a chicken leg. The rest have very tense but muted reactions. Dumbledore looks very ticked off at first but then greets Dolores's audacity with a smile and a nod. You know, the fake kind of smile you give someone when you want to show that you're actually agitated. I think this one is infinately better than the POA onebut not as 'visually entertaning' as GOF's obviously. But it definately has a great feeling of tension.Avatar Image says: "What about Umbridge's creepy smile in the end? Do the kids speak a lot and make noise? I read something like that." Umbridge gives this creepy little smile and giggle at the end of her speech...there nothing to it really...looked as though there was something mishcevious behind her eyes Theres some genral whispering umong the kids...not unlike that you would hear at a normal school assembly...harry and friend ang george all have small lines...nothing big.Avatar Image says: c'mon it should've been up by now!Avatar Image says: Whoops..sorry.I meany GOF not GIF.....OMG...can u belive it..it's not online yet...:)))LOL...Avatar Image says: that's awesome, I hope somebody has the clip. I'm wililing to wait though.Avatar Image says: *dies of impatience*Avatar Image says: It's up!!Avatar Image says: Guys I understand that you are frustrated but all the swearing and insulting comments arent going to make the clip get there any faster, and are also in violation of our terms of use, so please calm down! jeesh! We are having a delay getting it in our galleries, but for now, Stephanie from Rupert Grint.net has the clip-so check it out! SueAvatar Image says: aww sue!! im so sorry everybody freaked out and you had to deal with it...thanks for always working so hard!Avatar Image says: Ive seen the clip and I dont know... it looks weird..and the music sounds..well..it sounds cheap... not fitting the scene at all. :( Im a bit dissapointed.Avatar Image says: THAT'S BRILLIANT!!!! Oh my goddd~!!!!!!! :OOOAvatar Image says: Its up now. Its basically just the speech by Dolores at the dinner, shortened for the sake of the movie. Imelda is fab if courseAvatar Image says: It's great! I'm not usually very into the films, but I can't wait to see this one.Avatar Image says: Hey, don't judge the entire movie on one clip. How do you know this is exactly how it's going to be in the movie? Before you start cursing David Yates for how awful it's gonna be - he's received nothing but praise from people who saw the test screening, and you're panicking about him doing the sixth movie from one two minute clip! I know it's a bit panicky when you don't like it, but don't worry so much :)Avatar Image says: dark_harry, leaky updated this same page to the link. Just click that and it'll come up. Avatar Image says: man is rg.net down? i cant watch itAvatar Image says: Man!!I can't get to the site!Too much downloading!!!Avatar Image says: ehh i dunno if i liked it all that much, i didnt like the music as much as patrick or john's, but hey w/e...the rest of the movie will hopefully be betterAvatar Image says: I can only think of one word: DISSAPOINTMENT. It's nothing about the direction, nothing about the atmoshpere, nothing about the music. Heck, I even liked Dumbledore. It's just Imelda freakin' Staunton's portrayal of Umbridge. I can't get why anyone would like her. She just sounds horribly fake. I never thought I'd be THAT disappointed by Umbridge. We kept hearing nothing but good things about her... Now I dunno what to say..Avatar Image says: Well..if thwe movie sucks...we'll still have the game[Wii version] and that'll keep my summer busy:D:D:D.Hope I'll like the game[GOF was the worst game ever].Hope exploring hogwarts and recieving discovering point will boost my mood.Oh well....so sad and dissapointed.Can't download the clip....many say it sucks...I waited for this clip for a long time.It's just not fair..And I hope you all know that this film is the shortest from the series ...yet...Hope it'll be something good cause cool...I don't think so.Avatar Image says: Im sorry but some of you are being ridiculous. The clip is as close to the book as many of the other films and YOUR STIL NOT SATISFIED?????????????????????????????????????????? Imelda is just perfect. whats not to like. The music is fine for the scene what are you all going on about????????Avatar Image says: Well... hmm. You know, I think the only problem with the clip is just that - it's a clip, taken out of context. For people who haven't read the book, it may not be the best one to inspire them to see the movie, especially for the crowd who wants non-stop action. But for the book-loving faithful, I think they captured the essence of that scene pretty well (although "book DD" was much more attentive and polite, not fake-smiley like in the clip.) Imelda Staunton does a great job of making you hate her as soon as she opens her mouth.Avatar Image says: Hey guys, its a 1:27 minute clip of a speech that is suppose to be boring and annoying, Of course the clip is not going to be the excitement you are looking for. I don't think the music is cheap at all. I really liked it. It has suspense to it. GOF music sucked big time for me, and the movie too. Avatar Image says: Am I the only one that is having difficulty downloading the video clip?Avatar Image says: No, you're not, I think the site has overloaded at this point. They should just put it on youtube.Avatar Image says: man its takin forever to buffer finish, can someone upload it on youtube?Avatar Image says: while I don't particularly care for the clip, Imelda Staunton does do a great job. I don't really understand the complaints.Avatar Image says: I've just watched it on Mugglenet. It was actually pretty funny. Umbridge is great. I can't wait for the film to come out. 49 days to go!! I hope there's more clips released soon.Avatar Image says: I laughed out loud when i saw trelawney eating with her big glassesAvatar Image says: It would be SOOOO much easier if Leaky put it in their video gallery, which I am sure that they are attempting to do. We love leaky :)Avatar Image says: absolutley spot on...i cant stop watching it. Imelda is just the most perfecting casting. sooooo excited. i Loved the clip, i always wanted to know how they would handle that scene.....amazingly so it would seemAvatar Image says: Watch it here! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZojeQiGg8...l%5Fstory%2F907Avatar Image says: HERE IT IS.YOU TUBE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZojeQiGg8ZU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emugglenet%2Ecom%2Fapp%2Fnews%2Fshow%2F907Avatar Image says: I totally agree with dark_harry: Umbridge IS fake, people. That's what she is supposed be like, Staunton does this great. What did you expect, honestly, a Captain Barbossa-style speech?Avatar Image says: You can see the youtube version on mugglenet. It's kinda bad quallity, but I absolutely LOVED it! Staunton's performance is spot on. And Michael Gambon seems al lot milder and friendler as dumbledore in this one. He's polite and even smiles! Good job!Avatar Image says: Thank you Mr. Goldenberg for keeping JKR's original lines instead of making up your own garbage like Kloves.Avatar Image says: My download cut out at about the 34 second mark of the clip (. I got to see Ellen go on and on about their exclusive clip for 20 seconds or so then got to see only the first bit of the actual clip. This clip is useful only to fans who know the context of what's happening and know all of the characters. For the uninitiated it won't make much sense, particularly without a proper setup. There's nothing particularly exciting going on visually or orally either...just a poor choice of promo clip. Since fans of the series don't really have to be won over to see it for the most part, you'd think they'd concentrate their marketing on a general audience. My only conclusion is that Warner is getting a little something something for granting an exclusive clip to the Ellen show. Outside of that, I don't see much of a benefit for them...unless they own the Ellen show of course which is entirely possible. I'm sure every entertainment show and their brother will have their own exclusive clips by the time the movie releases. It will probably diminish the initial excitement of seeing the movie to watch them all. This is the type of assembly line blockbuster movie marketing which is commonplace these days though. It's sort of like JK Rowling appearing on a number of talk shows and reading "clips" of her upcoming novel. She would never agree to that because it makes NO SENSE. Yet it's done for movies all the time. Trailers are one thing where you can sell an overall concept...but these clips IMO do a lot more harm than good. It's also quite possible I'm just grumpy because I can't get the whole clip at the moment.Avatar Image says: I liked the clip. The scene has a bit of a muted feel but then it must be so easy to overplay Umbridge and make it a nonsense, so that makes sense. I can't hear what Fred & George say. Anyone?Avatar Image says: Cool! The cinematography looks great, and so does the pace of the scene. Me likes! //o-o\\ The Walrus Avatar Image says: There's something wrong with that clip though. I downloaded it and it stops halfway through. When I saw it this morning on Ellen there was more, fo those of you who are first seeing it now, just so you know.Avatar Image says: "This clip is useful only to fans who know the context of what's happening and know all of the characters. For the uninitiated it won't make much sense, particularly without a proper setup." Yes, when I was watching the show and Harry said the line "She works for fudge" I started laughing.Avatar Image says: underscore, do you mean that there is more to the clip after her creepy smile at the end?Avatar Image says: Perfect! Imelda Staunton is looking brilliant as Umbridge. I loved her little laugh. The dialog is almost the same as the book, good. I love how they kept the lines about the children's "happy faces" and how they will all be friends :). I actually really like Gambon in this scene, he looks and acts like Dumbledore, unlike GOF. Oh and Trelawney looks really funny eating her food. Avatar Image says: "Yes, when I was watching the show and Harry said the line "She works for fudge" I started laughing." ROFLMAO!! Never thought of it that way. Hey, I will work for fudge, too, if anyone's interested (pure chocolate, no nuts) Avatar Image says: I loved the teacher's expressions! Maggie Smith, Alan Rickman and Emma Thompson's expressions when Umbridge interrupted Dumbledore were great! Avatar Image says: could someone please leave a link, so i can watch it. im dying to see it, and i cant seem to find it anywhere! pleaseee!Avatar Image says: OkAy. I just watched the clip twice. I have to tell you - that woman gave me chills. She IS Umbridge. The clip was very nicely done. It catches the feel of the book quite nicely without being tedious. As for the music, it was just enough to help you realize that this is a witch not to be trusted. Harry's line to Hermione was spot on, and Fred and George are the characters they were always meant to be. I saw that the candles were missing, but I think the only reason I noticed this was because I had read the comments. The fact that they weren't there didn't bother me, nor detract from the film. Overall, I am very pleased and look forward to this movie more than ever.Avatar Image says: People, you realy need to open your eyes,.. HP fan or not, the cinematography in this scene is cheap,..i mean really cheap. U can see where the lights are, the background is not enough out of focus, it all looks like it is played on a stage somewhere in a theater,... David Yates might be a good director of actors, but allowing him to bring his people to the crew, people who only worked on TV movies and dont have experiences with making big budget movies was a mistake. It is just what i feared when i first saw those movie pictures with weird lightning, sharp shadows on actors... I know I know,..many of you dont see or dont understand what i mean when i say cheap cinematography(or dont want to see and understand) But those who know will surely agree that it looks like a tv movie..a big budget tv movie with lots of CGI,..but still, TV production only. Well, but im still looking forward to this movie, and i hope that Yates has pushed the actors into some wonderful performances.Avatar Image says: When it stops downloading try downloading it again. It worked for me. It just started the download from where it stopped before. Eventually, it got fully downloadedAvatar Image says: Uhm... stan, maybe they're still working on the scene. I REALLY don't think they are going to let a 100 million doller movie get ruined by cheap cinematography. We can't really judge after one early scene, can we? Avatar Image says: When it stops downloading try downloading it again. It worked for me. It just started the download from where it stopped before. Eventually, it got fully downloaded Posted by Joanne on yes, that is what i did too, and it works. Avatar Image says: How can you judge the overall cinematography of a movie from a one minute, low quality download off of youtube?Avatar Image says: I disagree about the cinematography. I think it's on par with Philosopher's Stone (and much better than the last three films) and I love the more desaturated blue filtered palette in the great hall and how nicely it's juxtaposed with Umbridge's pink clothing. The sun is still setting on the est end of thecastle and that is why there's light still coming from the one side of windows while darkness can be seen through the other windows. It doesn't seem cheap at all. In fact it's quite cinematic without being too overpowering.Avatar Image says: I'm not sure how you can judge the quality of the film or it's cinematography based on a clip from youtube or anything that is captured from TV then put online. Watch the trailers - it is quite clear that the cinematography is top notch. My husband was a 1st AC and lighting tech for years and is the first to complain if a movie is done with poor quality or shot like a TV show. We have to shut him up during movies all the time (quite annoying, actually) but he is impressed with this one and how they have captured the darker mood of the film through the lighting and everything. I think people are starting to feel the stress of waiting so long for the film, but be calm - it is almost here! The movie looks to be fantastic, Umbridge is spot on, the trailers are magnificent. Can't wait!!Avatar Image says: OMG the tension in the atmosphere of that room was so thick you could cut it with a knife!!! I just wish they had emphasized the "no one had ever interrupted Dumbledore before" aspect of it a bit more, but it was fine as it is. Dumbledore: Perfect - ticked off at first, but then takes the interruption with a grain of salt. Umbridge: Perfect - inncocently arrogant as she steals the spotlight, and poisonous and creepy to the core, with that ever-annoying hem-hem and devilish/girlish gigle.Avatar Image says: Hey all- I just updated the post as we now have it in the galleries (including a version for your iPod too). :)Avatar Image says: I just saw it!!! And umbridge seems PERFECT!! i cannot belive her little giggle!! lmao i love it!!!! :DAvatar Image says: Good. I hope the students eventually start talking amongst themselves and Hermione is the only one listening, though. Avatar Image says: Woaw ! What a disdainful Umbridge ! Imelda Staunton seems to be perfect in this character ! the little "hem-hem", the giggling... and the outfit ! I love her ! Avatar Image says: Argh! I was about to not watch this, but I'm way too tempted. I really really hope it doesn't ruin it for me :( Avatar Image says: Just watched it. I loved it and can't understand how some people don't, but it's a matter of opinion. The hem-hem will surely get on my nerves if she keeps doing it and htat's what I like. Imelda is really good so far! I'm so excited!Avatar Image says: OMG, her laugh, its almost perfect! XD I can't wait to see the rest of that scene! The only thing that bothered me was that the kids didn't seem bored. So, I really want to see the rest of it and she if she keeps going and the kids getting bored. :DAvatar Image says: dark_harry: I thought Fred and George say "That's likely," I better watch it again.Avatar Image says: Hahaha! Imelda's Umbridge is perfect. That little laugh is priceless :DAvatar Image says: hummm, it seems ok, but I don't know. Something's not right in my mind with it. It seems too "copied" from the book rather than "" interpreted for film, but I'll reserve further judgment until I see the whole thing.Avatar Image says: "My only conclusion is that Warner is getting a little something something for granting an exclusive clip to the Ellen show. Outside of that, I don't see much of a benefit for them...unless they own the Ellen show of course which is entirely possible." Yes, the Ellen show is run by Warner Bros. Stan: The background wasn't put out of focus because the director wanted the audience to see the students' and teachers' reactions to Umbridge's speech, which was important in order to emphasize her negative reputation. Only when the background is insignificant is it put out of focus, and this was not the case.Avatar Image says: She is so awful! That speech is almost word for word from the book. Can't wait, CaN't WaIt, CAN'T WAIT! Avatar Image says: It's good, very book preserving, but a tad slow. I hope that the pacing is increased and the music more present in the other scenes. Remember the similar scene in POA and how its just flowed beautifully. Avatar Image says: Listening to Professor Umbridge was like a cat getting it's tail stepped on. LOL. The scene was excellent! Avatar Image says: Cuckoo4tofu: nope, shots are also often put out of focus, because it gives the movie a great cinematic look. In a case when you want to show what happens in the background, then of course its not completely out of focus, but the scene and shots that it consists of are still in one lighting style and colour scheme (dont know proper words for these terms in english) Plus there are compostitons - some are more typical for TV movies, some are typical for big hollywood movies (also angles from which the scene is shot are of big importance) and of course the already mentioned lights. If they are set up properly u dont feel their presence, they dont distract you from the picture, u dont think for a moment - oh, yeah, thats a studio there and there are lights in front of and above actors.Avatar Image says: Absolutely fantastic! I can't wait to see the movie. She seems to have really got the whole point and personality of Umbridge. And yes, that giggle at the end is so creepy, knowing what she's going to do to Harry in detention.Avatar Image says: "Cuckoo4tofu: nope, shots are also often put out of focus, because it gives the movie a great cinematic look. In a case when you want to show what happens in the background, then of course its not completely out of focus, but the scene and shots that it consists of are still in one lighting style and colour scheme (dont know proper words for these terms in english) Plus there are compostitons - some are more typical for TV movies, some are typical for big hollywood movies (also angles from which the scene is shot are of big importance) and of course the already mentioned lights. If they are set up properly u dont feel their presence, they dont distract you from the picture, u dont think for a moment - oh, yeah, thats a studio there and there are lights in front of and above actors." If the background is put out of focus, it is not the more important part of a scene. Period. In this case, the background was hardly put out of focus, because as I stated earlier, the Great Hall's reaction to Umbridge's speech needed to be shown. Also, since there were no real close-up profile shots of characters, it would be more difficult to put the background out of focus, due to the more complicated distance between the camera and the subjects, and the angle from which the camera was filming. As for the lighting, I'll have to refer to my TV-recorded copy of this clip later on a larger screen to more accurately dissect and critique it. However, it seems that the lighting on Ron's shirt (from the International trailer) which you were criticizing earlier, is the moonlight being distorted by a tree in the forest, but to be fair, I'll wait until the finished product is out in theaters and then analyze it.Avatar Image says: Ok Stan, I agree with you on the forbidden forest pictures from the trailer, because you can totally see an unnatural brighter lighting on Ron's shoulder which is causing a longer, darker shadow of his head to from down the front of his shirt. Considering they are under a dark canopy, that shouldn't be there. However, I don't really see it in the clip. It's really not that bad. I think the lighting is bland to reflect the blandness of Umbridge's speech. The only thing that doesn't work is the overhead shot. As much as I like to see overhead shots in films, this one feels like it was randomnly edited in; it doesn't fit with the other shots in the scene.Avatar Image says: Doesn't Imelda Staunton's Umbridge laugh make your skin crawl? ;) She's an absolute joy to watch in any film/play she's in. I watched Vera Drake the other night and she really should have won the Oscar for it. Just in that clip I thought Michael Gambon had captured Dumbledore perfectly. I'm so looking forward to this film, dodgy cinematography or no! ;) I think there should be cameo roles for Jim Dale and Stephen Fry in HBP/DH, though for the life of me I can't think what roles they could play. Avatar Image says: You guys have to remember this is only an edited clip, which means, there might be other shots that were edited out. Like for GOF when they released that Hagrid dragon clip, in the movie, there were more shots that wasn't included in the 'promo clips'. Still, this is exciting. I can't wait for the movie to come out :)Avatar Image says: Stan, I had a similar conversation with you when the teaser trailer came out. I'm a photographer, and I'm particular interested in the use of light and composition in each movie. However, I do not have a problem with this scene. Why? Well, yes the light is harsh, but let's remember that this hall is supposed to be lit with only candles and fires. If you stand in front of a fire, you will cast a harsh shadow, not to mention the light falls off quickly. As for the composition, the wide angle shots with a large depth of field reflects what is popular in photojournalism currently. Perhaps Yates is a big Nachtwey fan, and is going for layers of information instead of focusing on a single part of the frame. Honestly, no one can give good judgment on the film with just one 30 second clip from the most boring part of the film. Personally, I was very impressed by the composition of many of the frames we saw in the Trailers, but to each his own.Avatar Image says: I'm interested in film, but right now I'm not to worried about the cinematography. Though I do think the lighting was bland, what we saw is nothing we should over analyze. Pictures of the Ministry of Magic were fantastic, after all. Lastly, it has been a while since I've watched a Potter film, but is this the first time the Great Hall did NOT have its floating candles during the Start of Term Feast (this bland lighting was probably meant to give the viewer the sense that Umbridge must be the most boring and annoying teacher ever, though). And, I don't think it was wise for WB to release a very dull scene after promising an action-packed movie in the trailers. Well, I look forward to seeing what people thought of the clip, bye. Avatar Image says: I saw this today! :)Avatar Image says: I uploaded mine recorded version no youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W08mlnhGe4Avatar Image says: Stan-The special effect of the scene isn't finished yet. Right now there is no floating candles in the great hall. So I don't think this scene will look exactly the same as it is right now when you see it in the theatre.Avatar Image says: that was kinda boring, but then again in the book it was supposed to be a boring speech.Avatar Image says: Not worrying about editing, ligthting or cinematography, as those things aren't necessarily going to be the same in the final product, I was impressed with Imelda Staunton, whose performance WILL be a part of tine final product. While she doesn't look quite as I imagined Umbridge, she sounds just like I thought she should. The "girlish," forced, overly-pleasant tones. Can anyone say, "Hem hem..."?Avatar Image says: 10 points to someone who can tell me why the candles aren't flying over the tables!Avatar Image says: Yeah, I saw that! I was flipping out when I saw that they were going to show it, lol. =P Yeah, Staunton has the creepiest "giggle" I've ever heard... o.o She doesn't seem like Umbridge... yet.Avatar Image says: She is creepy sweet in just the right way.Avatar Image says: At the end of the clip,Umbridge looks like shes trying to explain something to little kids.Its creepy with her little "hem-hem" and the laugh. The candles aren't hovering over the tables because the CGI is probably isn't finished for every scene of the film or maybe they decided to take it out???By the way I noticed something new that I haven't seen in any of the 4 film released.There were 4 cases where the school points would be added or deducted. By the way this scene was so perfect.I'm surprised that they went by the book.Avatar Image says: Thats dumbledores shadow that crosses her when shes sitting down. I dont get why everyone is so angry. People are saying its too much like the book. Gosh if it was completely re wrote you would say it needs to be like the book. They cant win either way. Avatar Image says: hey guys, so why are we complaining about this clip so much? lol... i'm glad its closely following the book. if it wasnt, we'd be asking why its not. lol.... first off, the shadow is DD, ofcourse, because Dd is the only object blocking the light source from Umbridge, and the movement of the shadow matches the movement that Dd makes as he is turning to face umbridge. second, in the book umbridge had a speech that was a couple of pages long, which gave time for people to get bored, here we saw a clip for 1:32...obviously they wouldnt be bored yet as much as they'd be unsure/blank/shocked/curious. i saw that in the kids' faces. third, the candles may or may not be added in. in the book, the sky is said to be gewy like the weather, so maybe adding in candles would sort of screw up that effect which i felt was in the clip now: dark, mysterious but at the same time, not entirely dark like GoF. besides, candles arent the most important thing to fuss about, really, other more significant stuff probably got cut off, so im sure in no time we'll be fussing over those instead. ;) Avatar Image says: we'll never be satisfied. I am. But some people are never going to be. Seriously, do we have to get into the nitpicky details?Avatar Image says: I am disapointed with this clip. I just hope that it is not a close representation of the whole film. I thought the acting and cinematography were fine, but the editing was just too pedestrian. There was no flow. I was also not impressed with the music because it did not complement the scene very well. I am not saying that the movie will suck. I cannot say so because I have not seen the whole movie. But I cannot deny that after viewing the clip, all the high expectations I had for the movie have now disappered into nothingness. Avatar Image says: The Michael Goldenberg screenplay seems to be much more faithful that those of Steve Kloves, and I, for one, am excited to see that. Order of the Phoenix is my favorite HP book and I don't think I could bear it if they pulled an Alfonso with it!Avatar Image says: cheer up, Nobody. i'm sure the movie won't suck. keep the faith. as for out of focus backgrounds etc - this is a more "emotional" movie than the others - Harry's relationships start getting sticker, people are scared because it's a darker time. sometimes when you are upset cartain things are in sharp contrast, while other less important matters do fade into the background. i think it's essential to change the way the film is shot to capture changing mood. this Harry's teen time and it needs to feel moody - to LOOK moody. book 1 was all about new experiences, absorbing the details, sights and sounds of a wonderful new place. it was appropriate then to put in a lot of background detail and bright colours and lots of noises. not so now. hogwarts is familiar - old hat. it's the people's behaviour which is strange and alarming, not the magical objectsAvatar Image says: I saw it high-def on youtube, and the colouring isn't bland! It's awesome! LOVE the clip!Avatar Image says: "David Yates might be a good director of actors, but allowing him to bring his people to the crew, people who only worked on TV movies and dont have experiences with making big budget movies was a mistake." Stan, a couple of things. Firstly, David Yates has made very high quality British mini-series, for which he has won many awards, not bog standard soaps,so give the guy a bit of credit. Secondly, don't judge a whole film by a two minute clip on youtube. Finally, the cinematographer on this film is Slawomir Idziak, who hasn't worked with David Yates before, but has been nominated for an Oscar, a BAFTA and an AFI award for his work on Black Hawk Down, and is also known for his work with the highly praised Polish Director Krzysztof Kieslowski on films such as Trois Couleurs Bleu (for which he won some awards as well). He has LOTS of experience working in film. Avatar Image says: People talk about slow pacing as if there should have been a light show with Umbridge dancing and throwing fireballs at the children as she gave the speech. It's a very important scene! It totally sets up her character, what's she's going to do at Hogwarts and to the children. If we're not shown what kind of power she feels she has early on then getting Harry to cut himself later, for example, is going to be confusing. Avatar Image says: Loopy- I agree! In GoF, the great hall scene was so rushed and dumbledore's lines wern't focused upon when they should. I love this scene!Avatar Image says: Cool One, but I don't really understand why they played a very serious music at background. Otherwise I liked it.Avatar Image says: You ask what's not to like about Imelda ? Well I admit my first comment was a bit harsh. I was just surprised with the tone and attitude she took at first b/c I imagined her differently. I watched the clip many times now and here's what I think: Imelda is not bad but she overplays the sweetness. She comes across as too girlish and cheesy. I know Rowling described her as such, but Imelda overdoes it. She should have sounded a little more authoritarian in her first speech. I'm sure she'll become so in later scenes, but I was still taken aback by the way she was introduced. She could have taken that tone at first then plunged into her speech in a quicker, more serious tone. Overall it's not really bad, though there's one thing I still can't get over and that's the way she whispers "prohibited" followed by that horribly cheesy, out-of-place giggle. I tried hard to get used to it but it just screams "CHEESY, CHEESY, CHEESY!!" everytime I watch it.Avatar Image says: gilyweed -- I agree, Slawomir Idziak is one of the best cinematographer in the movie industry. His works in Black Hawk Down and Gattaca are very beautiful. The fact that David Yates hired him for OOTP shows that Yates really want this film to be visually impressive. Avatar Image says: Ooohh. Imelda is good.I think she will make this role her own.Avatar Image says: Andrew she is supposed to be the ultimate patronising swine. She is talking like she would to small children and thats exactly what umbridge should be. she is supposed to be cheesy and patronisingAvatar Image says: I was bored out of my mind personally... There are such things as too canon. Avatar Image says: Lets not talk about the great acting by the lady playing Umbridge..Or the way Hermonie dose her eye`s after Harry tell her that Umbridge was at his hearing. Lets just worry about a shadow or candles floating around come on pepole this looks like it is going to be one of the better movies..Like some one said yu cann`t make everyone happy..Avatar Image says: I loved the scene personally, and I rather thought the score behind it was perfect. Quite sinister which tells the audience that Umbridge has poison in her honey tones. Avatar Image says: Ah, stan is so silend now. thanks gillyweed, I think you are right about the cinematography-stuff. I don't know why that guy get's me so angry. Normally I'm nothing like that. Stan, if it turns out that you were right from the start, my sincere apologies. Avatar Image says: just right ! so Irksome, just as the book discribes her. Well done !Avatar Image says: "I dont get why everyone is so angry. People are saying its too much like the book. Gosh if it was completely re wrote you would say it needs to be like the book. They cant win either way." Exactly what I thought Lisa. :D Usually people complain about the previous films because of 'uncanon' changes! Just goes to show they're never going to please people. Imagine if they decided not to bother with the last two films at all!Avatar Image says: redbeard: Im not silent. But I really dont want to waste my time arguing with noncritical fans, or people who simply dont or cant understan what im talking about. Ive had my dispute with those few here who know something about cinematography and i dont need to say more. Recently released 6 TV spots show that many scenes will look nice. Im glad, but remember,...these are just a few seconds from a few scenes. They put things there that look good into those spots and trailers, but most of the cheap looking stuff will remain hidden until the movie is out. Im not saying everything will look cheap, but surely many scenes will look like from a TV movie. And gillyweed, I know who Slawomir Idziak is and he really is a great cinematographer. But Yates also has people from his TV team working with him. Even if this wasnt the problem, the director himself does more than directing. He also must have ideas about lighting and atmosphere for each scene, omg, u have no idea, its a such a huge process that involves so many people. I dont have time and space to write everything about it here and explain. Slawomir Idziak is one man, he cant control everything on the set. I study filmmaking, ive seen hundreds and HUNDREDS of movies, I know A LOT about how it works on sets of such big films, so please, dont lecture me. And believe me it is much more complcated than what it says in some short easy to read descriptions that u can read somewhere on the internet! And Mugglethai: no, youre wrong,..wrong as much as u can be. This was a finished scene. They wouldnt release the great hall scene without cgi candles, the fact is there simply wont be any. This is how it is. And the shadow that is on umbridge, which i was talking about earlier is not from candles. Do u see that shadow? It would have to be one huuuge candle somewhere near Umbridge to make that big shadow. And that candle is actually someone from the crew. The light is not soft, not disperzed enough, thats why there are so hard shadows in the whole scene. And look at the actors faces. U can soo see there is a light firing at them from in front. But thats enough from me it just made me angry when i read that i am silent. no, im not. But what more can i say here? Those who want to listen and see already know what im talking about.Avatar Image says: "And gillyweed, I know who Slawomir Idziak is and he really is a great cinematographer. But Yates also has people from his TV team working with him. Even if this wasnt the problem, the director himself does more than directing. He also must have ideas about lighting and atmosphere for each scene, omg, u have no idea, its a such a huge process that involves so many people. " and again I say, don't be judgemental of this fine director just because most of his experience is in TV - everybody has to start somewhere. Also, please don't be condescending, I am very well aware of what a director does on a film, and that he has to be aware of visuals, atmosphere etc etc. Answer me this Stan, have you ever watched any of Yates work? If you haven't, you should. You should also go and listen to his audio commentaries on "State of Play" and that will show you that this man does understand a lot about lighting, atmosphere, framing a shot etc. Avatar Image says: OMG, enough about the cinematography already! Suddenly everyone's an expert. I'm sorry, but just because someone has "watched 100's of films and studied cinematography", that does not make that person an expert. So, I asked an expert, someone who does not have a vested interest in HP personally, but who does know film since he worked in the industry AS A CINEMATOGRAPHER for several years, has a degree in it and has worked as a photographer for over 30 years. I was starting to actually get upset by the merest possiblity that this movie might have been shortchanged in some way. His verdict - it is impossible, no matter how much you study it, slow it down, dissect it, whatever, to judge a piece of film based on a clip shown on TV, then recorded and uploaded to the internet, no matter how "great" (or not) the quality may be. It is not even possible to judge it fairly based on the HD versions of the trailers online. Having said that, based on what he has seen of this clip and of the trailers, he is very optimistic that the quality of this film will not only be quite high, but far higher than any of the others. He could tell, without having been told, just by watching it, that there was a new cinematographer and director on this film, and that its for the better - lighting, camera angles, mood, atmosphere, creativity, everything. This is the first of the HP movies that he is actually planning to watch in the theater to get the full experience, for that very reason. Everyone has a right to their opinions, but it seems wiser to me to wait until the release to make definitive statements about its quality. For myself, I am reassured that this movie of my favorite book (so far!) has been handled in an expemplary way as far as the cinematography goes, and am encouraged by what I have seen in all the trailers and this clip that the script, directing and the acting will do it justice. We'll all have to wait 50 more days for the final verdict. There will always be people anxious to critique it and tear it apart, whether it deserves it or not, but I am hopeful that this will be the best yet. Rant over.Avatar Image says: Well said, LemonFaerie. There is no need for people to have a meltdown over the film's cinematography just by watching a few frames shown in trailers and clips, and because one cinematography "expert" has a negative opinion about the way the movie was filmed. The only way someone could be positive about where the shadows are coming from is if they had actually been on set during filming and saw what movement was causing them, whom it was coming from, or if there had been any lighting difficulties. If that had indeed been the case, I doubt that the director or film editor would have allowed that to pass their inspection. I personally am still looking very forward to this movie, regardless of the frivolous controversy over the cinematography, or even what the film critics will have to say. It will be #1 at the Box Office thanks to Harry Potter fans and average moviegoers, for whom the film was really intended. Avatar Image says: "And Mugglethai: no, youre wrong,..wrong as much as u can be. This was a finished scene. They wouldnt release the great hall scene without cgi candles, the fact is there simply wont be any." ู^ ^ No Stan, I'm right. If you watch the fifth TV spot that TLC posted (the one with Lucius' voiceover and very epic music) There is a brief shot of Umbridge in this scene (the moment that she giggle) and you can clearly see that there are three candles floating next to McGonagall's seat. Now watch this clip again, you can see that there are NO candles to be seen at that same spot. Avatar Image says: Mugglethai: Nope,.. sorry to say, but you are still wrong :) Those candles are very low above the table. They are next to McGonagall, not somewhere near Umbridge. Even if there were candles somewhere near Umbridge, that moving shadow on Umbridge cannot and does not come from those candles. That is a BIG shadow there, CLEARLY from something bigger than candles. My advice is you watch the clip again and be realistic.Avatar Image says: AH. The creepy giggle is so weird. It boils by blood listening to her talk. Excellent! This is exactly how I felt reading the booksAvatar Image says: “Mugglethai: Nope,.. sorry to say, but you are still wrong :) Those candles are very low above the table. They are next to McGonagall, not somewhere near Umbridge. Even if there were candles somewhere near Umbridge, that moving shadow on Umbridge cannot and does not come from those candles. That is a BIG shadow there, CLEARLY from something bigger than candles. My advice is you watch the clip again and be realistic.” My advice to you, Stan, is to take a look inside a pensieve at the memory of when you were on set during the filming of the movie, and see what/who the culprit was that caused that devastating shadow! Oh yeah, I forgot -- Mr. Expert wasn’t there…Case closed. Avatar Image says: Stan, My previous post is NOT about the shadow. It is about the fact that this clip is an UNFINISHED version of the movie. The proof is that there are CGI candles added in the same scene that you can see from the TV spot. You told me that -- "This was a finished scene. They wouldnt release the great hall scene without cgi candles, the fact is there simply wont be any." BUT you are wrong about that and I am right. Simple as that. Avatar Image says: Cuckoo4tofu: now youre just being silly,..extremely silly. ARE YOU BLIND!? I dont have to be on the set of that movie to recognize that it is NOT a shadow from a candle or a group of candles! Have you ever seen any shadows in real life, do u know what a shadow is?? I guess yes, so dont give me advices, look at the clip again, only keep your eyes and mind open this time and try to be realistic. That would have to be one large candle to make a shadow like that. Im sorry to say, but anyone who says it comes from a candle or candles is way too much damaged by watching too many fantastic movies, forgets how things look and work in real world and therefore makes fantastic conclusions about things like these.Avatar Image says: "Cuckoo4tofu: now youre just being silly,..extremely silly. ARE YOU BLIND!? I dont have to be on the set of that movie to recognize that it is NOT a shadow from a candle or a group of candles! Have you ever seen any shadows in real life, do u know what a shadow is?? I guess yes, so dont give me advices, look at the clip again, only keep your eyes and mind open this time and try to be realistic. That would have to be one large candle to make a shadow like that. Im sorry to say, but anyone who says it comes from a candle or candles is way too much damaged by watching too many fantastic movies, forgets how things look and work in real world and therefore makes fantastic conclusions about things like these." Stan, I must return the question: are YOU blind? Or are you just illiterate? I don't recall ever saying that the candles were causing that shadow. I simply said that the clip could have been modified since it was released, that people should wait until the film is in theaters to fairly judge it, and that no one on this comments page could be exactly sure what or who was causing the shadow unless they had been on set during the filming of that clip. I'm sorry that Mr. Expert in all his knowledge wasn't on the set just like the rest of us, and that he has to resort to making presumptions in order to reprimand the film. I also pity the individuals who can only enjoy a film by dissecting it to find its slight imperfections. This ridiculous find has been The Shadow Heard 'Round The World. I'm waiting for someone to come on here, claiming to have watched hundreds of films and therefore earning the label "expert," and attack the make-up department because Harry's lightning-bolt shaped scar is a millimeter off in some scenes. PS: Mugglethai's point is that you were WRONG about the clip being unfinished. I know that may be difficult for you to register, but yes -- you were WRONG.

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