Harry Potter Lexicon Makes Statement Regarding Suit

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Nov 05, 2007

Posted by Melissa Anelli
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Steve Vander Ark of the Harry Potter Lexicon has added a statement about the recent lawsuit, as well as a link to a page on RDR with information on and the ability to order the book, on the Harry Potter Lexicon. Text is below. You can read about the filed lawsuit and J.K. Rowling’s statements here, and statements from WB and RDR here.

The statement is:


Dear Friends,

I would like to thank each and every one of you for your support in recent days. Everyone here at the Lexicon, all volunteers, regrets the unpleasantness. We have always been interested in working with the publishers of the novels to satisfy their concerns, interests and needs and we certainly do not plan nor have we ever planned to publish anything which competes with Ms. Rowling’s fine literary capabilities. Our work has nothing to do with fiction writing and is only concerned with legitimate critical analysis and academic considerations. It has been widely approved and employed by Ms. Rowling herself.

My book was started in response to many, many people who talked to me and asked if there could be a print version of the Lexicon, not in some sort of attempt to profit off of fans. Because the material for the book was not only accepted but praised and used frequently by every entity concerned with creating the Harry Potter books, games, and films, I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently.

I sincerely hope that this matter can be resolved amicably and ask for you patience and understanding during that process.

Steve

Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon


Again, you can read about the filed lawsuit and J.K. Rowling’s statements here, and statements from WB and RDR here. Also of note: RDR Books has amended its statement several times since TLC first posted it, most recently to add commentary following yesterday’s post about the WB and RDR Q-and-As.

Other new details are as follows: Following yesterday’s post which said there was a possibility that essays would be included in the Lexicon, several Lexicon essay writers have publicly said that they were not asked for permission to have their essay reprinted, and some essay writers have been assured by Lexicon staff that there will be no essays in the book at all. We have asked the publisher which is correct and will amend this post if we get an answer.

Update: RDR books answered our query with a lengthy statement that neither confirmed nor denied. We’ve asked for a more direct answer and have yet to receive one.

Update 2: TLC has received word via a reliable source that the initial email to Steve Vander Ark and RDR Books was phrased as an attempt to appeal to the Lexicon’s status as a site favored by J.K. Rowling. It also, according to the source, clearly named Warner Bros. as at stake and called Vander Ark a friend of the series and someone publishers/lawyers/agents were sure did not want to disrupt Rowling’s rights. RDR has called the email “threatening and abusive” and claimed that Warner Bros. only claimed rights after RDR sent them a letter regarding the timeline on the Harry Potter DVDs.

Also in the time since this issue began the book has risen from ranked lower than 230,000 in Amazon.co.uk books, to 7,034 as of this posting.

Update 3: A reader has commented that they ordered the book in the UK, which was slated to have a Nov. 5, 2007, publication date; the order was pushed back to January, 4, 2008, instead.


The Harry Potter Lexicon is a partner site to The Leaky Cauldron. The opinions and claims argued here do not constitute The Leaky Cauldron’s opinion or claim (of which it has none).





1,186 Responses to Harry Potter Lexicon Makes Statement Regarding Suit

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THE FANDOM MADE ME DO IT!!!

NO WAY!

Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, do you think he knows how bad of an argument that is?

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Er, if all wants to do is make it so people can have a print version of the Lexicon, why not add a freakin print button to the site? Yeesh!

Seriously, the Lexicon and especially RDR books is coming off terribly at this point. It’s pretty obvious that Jo/WB were forced into this situation due to RDR and Steve’s complete lack of cooperation with (not to mention respect for) the people who actually created and own this universe. Shame on Steve, and shame on these horrid publishers.

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Very weak. I haven’t explored every page of his site, but the bulk of it does NOT qualify as “critique”. From what I understand what critique that IS there is authored by other people.

I’ll wait for JKR’s version, even if this IS published.

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Er, is it actually true that the movies and video games used the Harry Potter Lexicon for information? And saying that the Lexicon was “used frequently by every entity concerned with creating the Harry Potter books” really makes it sound as though the Harry Potter books were created off his website, not the other way around…

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Well, I think that J.K. Rowling should read this, because it is very sweet. She should not have tried to suit him in the first place I think. It must have been so freaky for him. I mean, he gets asked to make a print version for his site, and all of a second he’s being suit by his idol, J.K.R.!!!! He thought he was being nice to her and helping people understand the books, not trying to compete with her. For once, I think J.K.R. was wrong. But, hey. I’m just a fan.

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Critical analysis? The Lexicon is something like 80% reorganized facts from the books and the only critical analysis is the essays, which it looks like will not be included in the published version. Reorganizing the the information(characters, places, spells, etc.) in list form does not qualify as critical analysis or original content. I think it’s really foolish of Steve and RDR to keep pursuing this. It doesn’t even matter whether Jo decides to make her own encyclopedia or not, she owns the rights to the Harry Potter world and she has the right to approve or disapprove of derivative works that attempt to make a profit. That’s the law.

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Sweet??!?

This is a big backpedaling act and an attempt tpass this off as simply what the fandom wanted.

POST A PDF, or SELL IT OR FREE, or DONATE PROCEEDS TO CHARITY, why don’t you…but no, let’s pretend that a $24.95 cover price is simply to appease the fandom.

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I just can’t believe hes’ trying to pretend he’s just so IN DEMAND, such a big star, that this is why copyright law is on his side. Wowwww. No.

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If Steve was just trying to ‘be nice’ to fans, then he’d be giving the book away for FREE, like the website. That’s why fanfic authors don’t charge people to read their stories or have them published as books and sell them for profit. They know they’ll get their pants sued off if they do. Of course Jo’s been okay with the website all along, it’s not a pay site is it? But now Steve and RDR are trying to profit off what is basically a series of lists of things in the book. So wrong.

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lolz that was a perfect statement!! the fandom is NOT responsible for you, steve!!! YOU made the decision, not us!!

this is so stupid. just say you’re not gonna print it and let everyone get on with their lives.

and here’s a question for you: how come – if the site is in such massive demnd – there ISNT a print button? or the ability to copy anything written on it? if you’re claiming to do it for the fandom, then you might wanna check how easily accessible the info on the site is to fans!!!!

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Even if every editor on every edition used the Lexicon to check every fact, THAT DOES NOT AWARD HIM COPYRIGHT.

I wasn’t mad before, and I am now. He’s trying to pass this off on the fans. That’s ridiculous.

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Steve isn’t calling it a “critique”. JKR’s people are the ones who used that term, saying they didn’t believe the book was a critique, and they got that right, it isn’t. Obviously. I don’t know why they’d even put that out there as a possibility.

Its academic. When you write an academic paper in school, (or in the scientific community for that matter), you’re free to cite, quote, and detail any other factual material you want, as long as you REFERENCE it. You can even have that paper published as long as everything is properly referenced.

And Steve’s lexicon always always always references it sources (which by the way aren’t just the book, they’re also interviews and JRK’s own website).

Steve compiled his lexicon useing the books, interveiw material, and website material, as well as his own workings when given specific dates and infering the dates of other events. He didn’t just sit down with the Potter books and copy out facts. It obviously took a lot of hard work, various sources, attention to detail and observation.

In my mind the lexicon is much more similar to a scientific paper then a work of fiction, a critique, or a ‘rearangement’ of JKR’s books charactors and plot.

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If I had to write a paper in school on any book, ANY book EVER published, and handed in something similar to what’s on the Lexicon, I. WOULD. FAIL.

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Wait…wait.

Wait.

He put up a statement…

...AND A PRE-ORDER LINK???

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lolz, No. You wouldn’t.

Not if your assignment was to compile a comprehensive paper organizing all known information about spells, locations, and people in the Harry Potter universe, using various sources.

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$24.95. Hmmmm. I guess those all those underpriviledged kids and impoverished nations RDR Books was going on about are out of luck. How are they possibly going to afford that?

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Yeah, of course, which is why that is not ever what a paper is. “Catalog all the facts in the Harry Potter books for me?” That’ snot something that gets you an A, or ever should, unless you’re studying for an MLS, or to be an archivist. Nothing else.

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This is so obviously a theft of intellectual property that I’m disgusted a so-called “fan” would even consider such a betrayal. What a huge disappointment to Jo and the rest of us real fans-the ones who understand that what you’ve done is more than cross the line legally and morally. I hope everyone BOYCOTTS YOUR SITE from now on-I know I will. And even The Leaky Cauldron-long one of my favorite sites-is under a caution flag if it is truly associated with you. Shame on you! Obliviate!

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I understand what Steve felt and real mistake. I forgive him. Yes, Steve mistake. I see no problem and I forgive them.

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Ok, I’m sorry but Steve has NO arguement! The information on his site is NOT HIS! It was all JKR’s from the books. Who cares if she has used the site, I think he should be flattered yes, but she could have just looked in her books to find the exact same things. A book entirely about critical anaalysis of her books is one thing. A book composed almost entirely of facts ripped straight from her books is completely different and wrong. It just isn’t his information to be proffiting off of!

The whole thing about using sueing WB for using ‘his’ timeline was also ridiculous. If JKR herself decided to sit down and make the timeline herself, not only would she probably do a more accurate job seeing as she owns the HP verse, but if Steve’s version was in fact, correct, then they would be exactly the same! To be honest I can’t believe Steve would actually do this to the woman who is supposedly his idol. He is stealing her work to make a profit, nothing more. The website is much easier to navigate and it is free. The website is what a true HP fan would do in thanks to JKR for her amazing books. Attempting to make money off it is just greedy, and I’m pretty sure it is illegal as well.

JKR better win this one, otherwise there is just no justice. He may have more of an arguement if he were doing it for charity, but he isn’t. Also, I think it is kind of sad, almost scary, that he really seems to think of the work on the lexicon as ‘his.’ Poor JKR.. she spends 17 years of her life writing HP to have it taken away from her. Who cares if she is rich, it is still her work, rich or poor should not make a difference. A rich man’s car gets stolen vs. a poorer person’s…. it is still a crime!

Ok, well I think I’ve said enough. I love JKR and I will stand by her no matter what! Screw you HP World Stealing Steve!

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It sure could get you an A. I’m studying Marine Environmental Technology, and I’ve had to write similar scientific papers.

Things like “organize all the relevant water quality guidelines for chemical and biolgical components in Canada”.

Well there are a lot of sets of guidelines, from a lot of different sources, so a paper detailing a compleate and comprehensive set would actually be enormously useful. Same deal here.

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If Steve truly cared about the fans he wouldn’t go so apesh*t every time someone copies and pastes something from the Lexicon. If Steve truly cared about the fans he wouldn’t be attempting to charge us $25 for something that is available to us for free. If Steve truly cared about the fans he wouldn’t do something that is so blatantly against JKR’s wishes, resulting in Jo most likely not trusting fan sites anymore. Which means, guess what, we all lose. Thanks a lot, Steve.

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Ashes, you may call it ‘academic’ but unfortunately copyright law is not concerned with that term, only with whether or not a work is merely derivitive, or if it truly is a critique, something which presents original content. It doesn’t matter if Steve referenced his sources. If all the material he presents is unoriginal then he’s breaking the law.

Check this out:

Augusta “Gran” Longbottom Neville’s grandmother who is raising him in the absence of his parents. She is a forceful, strong woman who wears green robes, a fox-fur scarf, a distinctive hat topped with a stuffed vulture, and carries a large red handbag. Neville loves her, but he’s a bit scared of her as well. She is Frank’s mother and she treats both Neville and his parents very unsentimentally. When Alice gives Neville a bubblegum wrapper, Gran dismisses it and tells Neville to throw it away. The boy pockets it, however.

This is what most of the Lexicon is. A lengthy and admitted time consuming reorganization of facts written in the Harry Potter books. Sure Steve spent a lot of time doing this. But unless he’s including an essay on what he thinks about Augusta Longbottom(i.e, original content) then he’s infringing on Rowlings copyrights. And it looks like there aren’t going to be essays in this book.

Maybe there are essays. But if there are, then why don’t RDR just give Jo a copy of the manuscript to prove that they’re within their rights? IMHO, not supplying a review copy was a very shady move on the part of the publishers, and honestly, most of their responses to the lawsuit make them sound very ignorant and unprofessional.

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You guys, this whole “paper” thing is silly because student papers are not written for profit.

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You’re right, I’m not familiar with copywrite law.

But I don’t think thats the argument here. I think the argument is that the copywrite law dosen’t apply to this book, given the nature of the book.

Like I said, I at least, consider it much more similar to a scientific paper then a novel.

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Thank you Amy.

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“Fossil” pointed this out in a previous thread and I think it really deserves to be posted again…

“Trademarks rights must be maintained through actual use of the trademark. These rights will diminish over time if a mark is not actively used. In the case of a trademark registration, failure to actively use the mark, or to enforce the registration in the event of infringement, may also expose the registration itself to removal from the register after a certain period of time.”

As you can see, WB has not only the right but the responsibility to protect themselves and their trademarks.

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yeah thanks!

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Actually, I think copyRIGHT law IS the argument here. That’s what there’s a lawsuit about, remember?

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And Amy, of course they aren’t.

Scientific papers are. I just used the example of a student paper because I know a lot of posters here are likly students.

Also, its late and I have to get to bed, but I’ll happily continue this tomorrow, although by then I’m sure we’ll be a few pages longer.

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Steve is on a thin ice here. I think he made a mistake allying himself with a greedy publisher and is now suffering because of it.

No ill wishes for Steve but it’s obvious that JKR and WB are absolutely right here.

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If they really try to argue that this is similar to an academic or scientific paper I’ll laugh really hard.

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amadis, you’re obviously not following me.

The lawsuit does claim copywrite infringment. I think the argument, by which I mean response (or defense since we’re dealing in legal terms) won’t be that its not copywrite infringemnt, but rather that copywrite law doesn’t apply at all. Okay thats all from me for tonight.

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I’m sorry, but Steve’s just plain wrong on this one. I mean come on, saying that essays from his site are going to be used in a book without asking their author’s permission, its just sloppy. The same can be said for rdrbooks.com, the website of the lexicon’s publisher, which displays a large banner reading “WHY DOES WARNER BROTHERS WANT TO STOP YOU FROM READING STEVE VANDER ARK’S HARRY POTTER LEXICON? FIND OUT HERE.” and flashing it in red, pretty much screaming unproffesional. This whole thing is rediculous, this is not an analysis book, but simply a listing of someone else’s ideas, and because of that, can not be legally printed. End of story.

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An encyclopedia of a fictional series of novels using someone else’s characters is not the same as a scientific paper. A scientific paper can reorganize established facts that are in the public domain, like Norway is part of Scandinavia, or whatever. But the fact that Draco Malfoy is the son of Lucius and Narcissa Malfoy is not in the public domain. It’s not the same as a scientific paper.

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Quote: “Because the material for the book was not only accepted but praised and used frequently by every entity concerned with creating the Harry Potter books, games, and films, I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently.”

That shows an astounding lack of foresight and consideration on the Lexicon’s part. Aside from the part where saying the Lexicon was “used frequently” by “every entity concerned” is a bit of a stretch, a printed book which you are SELLING is entirely different than a free website, even if it has the same content. And I really think Steve should know that.

The scientific paper discussion is interesting. I’m really not sure that copyright law can be applied in the same way, though. (I don’t know enough about either scientific papers or copyright law.)

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If Jo says to cease and desist, just drop it. It’s her world, her choices; the Lexicon wouldn’t be a thought in anyone’s head if it wasn’t for her. Respect the woman who made you (Steve) a household name among Potter fans.

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Wouldn’t water quality guidelines be meant to be freely accessed? If not, perhaps you would be so kind as to C/P their copyright statement which says something to the effect of “No portion of this… may be reprinted in whole or in part by any means… without express permission…” and I’d like a link to that set of “guidelines” with a copyright statement that precludes anyone from using them.

Will you be publishing and selling these re-organized guidelines for a profit if they do have a copyright statement?

If there are such copyright statements and your teacher is telling you to ignore them and to copy verbatim without permission, it’s a lousy teacher. Although, as long as you were only using these re-organized guidelines for a school paper and would not be publishing them and selling for a profit, I’d imagine the copyright holder would not care. Much like JKR doesn’t care about the free Lexicon website, but DOES care about profiteering from her copyrighted works.

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I love this part. ”...I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently.”

He’s got to be kidding. Once you charge for something, that makes it a commercial project, which is the essence of copyright infringement.

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So a guy comes out and says he really didn’t expect this and he hopes it works out ok, and you all just jump on him. That’s awesome. Good job guys. He’s obviously not a real Harry Potter fan (even though he probably knows more about that world than anyone in this world – 1). So go ahead and bash him in support of your god – I mean favorite author.

Oh, and boycotting the site, that’s hilarious, no one cares. Combined with putting a caution on Leaky for reporting news and remaining steadfastly unbiased in the face of this slam-fest. Classy.

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what caution on leaky?

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It does seem like Steve made a rather large mistake, but I forgive him- he seems like a truly kind and genuine guy. I hope this situation is solved soon. :)

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“never would have imagined” – EXCEPT FOR THE PART WHEN THEY EMAILED YOU IN SEPTEMBER, STEVE. You didn’t have to imagine after that.

This is hilarious.

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Oh, Melissa. What an awkward position you must be in right now!

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This entire debacle is rather like watching someone with very twitchy fingers dance around a big red button with the words SELF DESTRUCT printed on it…

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Interesting. You know, I was pretty much of the camp that it was a bad idea and should be dropped, but everyone probably went into it with okay intentions. But, Steve and the publisher are handling this very poorly. The flashing banners, the pre-order buttons. Soooo classy.

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Well, wishy, RDR did compare the lawsuit to the bombing of Hiroshima. So, yes, I’d say it’s been very self-destructive.

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Thanks, Leaky, for keeping us informed, and for asking the questions that fans want answered.

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On the preorder page:

Harry Potter® and the names of all fictitious people and places are trademarks of Warner Bros. Neither the author, his staff members, www.HP.-Lexicon.org nor the publisher is in any way affiliated with Warner Bros., Scholastic Books, J.K. Rowling or any other person or company claiming an interest in the Harry Potter® novels. The Harry Potter Lexicon respects the intellectual property rights of others and urges users of this book to do the same.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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headdesk

Two things—

1. Please don’t try and compare what Steve has done at the Lexicon with a scientific paper. The HP books are fiction, and facts about fictional books and fictional worlds are NOT in the public domain. Why? Because those “facts” belong to the author that made them up in the first place. Ergo, all of the “facts” that Steve has organized on his site belong to JKR. Not him.

2. Real classy, Steve. Trying to pass all of this off as poor widdle you catering to the ickle fans who wanted a print version? Try again. You know, I might have had a bit of sympathy for you, thinking you got lousy legal advice or something, but after reading your statement, I realize you’re just trying to pass the buck on to fandom instead of being a man and taking responsibility for your own actions.

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I’m sick of the steve bashing. The best post I have seen about this from a non-hp fan was posted by William Patry (a copyright lawyer). There are also some interesting comments.

http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2007/11/harry-potter-lexicon-suit.html

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There’s a lot of copyright lawyers who have posted things. Since no one’s seen the book they can’t really know what’s there.

If that’s such a fantastic treatment of the subject, how does it contain this line:

“She doesn’t add, no doubt because it is not the case, that the profits will go to charity, only her royalties. “

Has this guy not had the thorough lawyerly expertise to read through ANY article on this subject at all, all of which make it STUPIDLY CLEAR that JKR is writing these books for charity?

Oh yeah, best post ever.

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It’s also really funny that a copyright lawyer is trying to argue that she doesn’t have the right to her copyright simply because of the chance she’d profit off it. What? She’s not allowed to profit but surely her fans, who didn’t create it, are? LOL. OK. This guy was a lawyer for the US govt and Google? Poor them.

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“Well, wishy, RDR did compare the lawsuit to the bombing of Hiroshima.”

Umm… are you serious?

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Steve should be criticized, because he’s acting like he’s entitled to publish his Lexicon just because JKR and WB have used his site in the past. It doesn’t work that way.

I’m sorry, but when the people who actually own the legal rights to Harry Potter are telling you not to publish, then ignoring them and provoking them into a lawsuit is your own fault. He brought all of this on himself by thinking that he was somehow exempt from copyright/trademark infringement because of who he is.

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“not in some sort of attempt to profit off of fans”

If he’s not doing it for personal gain, donate the profit to charity. Simple.

Oh wait… I forgot… HE IS. insert srs face here

Peace, Rotae

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Dead serious. They took the comments off today but it read like this, because I saved it, because it was so funny:’


Summarizing Ms. Nelson’s view, one reporter wrote that Warner’s “cease and desist letters constituted an attempt to open a dialogue.” How could that be?

This is obviously a contradiction in terms. It reminds of a statement made by General Leslie Groves when he was asked if the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was leading to lingering deaths of tens of thousands of civilian. He said that fallout radiation was causing no “undue suffering” and characterized it “as a very pleasant way to die.” How does threatening to censor the publication of a reference book, sue someone for millions of dollars and put them out of business “constitute an attempt to open a dialogue?”


HE COMPARED IT TO HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI.

What was I thinking? This is clearly JUST as important. Holy cow.

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@ Ashes, who said: The lawsuit does claim copywrite infringment. I think the argument, by which I mean response (or defense since we’re dealing in legal terms) won’t be that its not copywrite infringemnt, but rather that copywrite law doesn’t apply at all.

A crash-course in copyright law and this lawsuit: a verbatim quote from Legal Beagle…

“The difference between opinion and a legal precedent is that the former has no validity in court, however well informed or well intentioned; the latter is what the sitting judge will determine damages and set awards.

This is, from the lawyers’ point of view, a LEGAL matter, not one of fan opinion.

From a legal point of view, the matter at hand is clear-cut: This is a matter of what’s called “derivative use.” It means that the copyright holder – in this case, Joanne Rowling – can mine her own work to construct quiz-books, puzzle books, and encyclopedias.

In the matter of derivative use, the key criterion is whether or not an unofficial/unauthorized book merely REARRANGES the existing text to recast a “new book.”

When viewed in that light, Mr. Vander Ark’s book fares poor legally because it is 100% (judging from the his website) based on what’s in Rowling’s books.

Mr. Vander Ark’s proposed book is not commentary; it’s not opinion; it’s a re-edited edition of what Rowling has carefully chronicled in her book.

The legal precedent for this was when a publisher issued an unauthorized “Seinfeld” quiz book. The court decided that there was nothing original added, that it was all re-purposed, and that everything had been drawn from the television series. Therefore, as all the material was derivative use, the unauthorized book was held legally accountable for damages.

Give Rowling and her lawyers a little credit: They don’t sue capriciously; they sue when they feel they have no other choice in protecting their rights.

This explains why two former encyclopedias – AN UNOFFICIAL MUGGLE’S GUIDE TO THE WIZARDING WORLD: EXPLORING THE HARRY POTTER UNIVERSE (ECW Press) and THE J.K. ROWLING ENCYCLOPEDIA by Connie Ann Kirk – are probably out of print: The amount of derived material exceeded what’s called “fair use,” which is the test as to whether or not a work is considered to be within the legal limits:

“1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

2. the nature of the copyrighted work;

3. amount and sutstantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work [see www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html].

Rowling’s lawyers will likely cite that Vander Ark’s book (point 1) is for profit, (points 2 and 3) is principally or wholly derivative in content, and (point 4) will have a deleterious effect on the sale of Rowling’s own encyclopedia.

Of these points, in my considered opinion, only #4 will materially fail as fans of Rowling may buy an unofficial encyclopedia, but will buy the authorized book no matter what. The publication of an unofficial encyclopedia will not substantially hinder sales of the official one. In other words, some fans will likely by both, but no fan will buy the unofficial one in favor of the official one.

As for the proposed Mugglenet.com book (UNOFFICIAL HARRY POTTER COMPANION: THE ENCYCLOPEDIC GUIDE TO THE BOOKS, MOVIES AND MORE), it depends on how Mr. Spartz and Mr. Schoen handle the material: If it’s straightforward in encyclopedic format and uses the same material as Kirk’s J.K. ROWLING ENCYCLOPEDIA and Fionna Boyle’s UNOFFICIAL MUGGLE’S GUIDE TO THE WIZARDING WORLD, then it too may be on the lawyers’ radar. If, however, the text is not derivative, in terms of encyclopedia entries, and has original material (extensive commentary, contextual information) and stays away from a bare bones misappropriation of Rowling’s original texts, then it may (and I use that word guardedly) escape the hangman’s noose.

Bottom line here, folks, it’s not about whether Mr. Vander Ark is a great asset to the Harry Potter community (legally, that’s a non-issue); doesn’t matter if Rowling uses his website for reference and has praised it (legally, both are non-issues); doesn’t matter if Rowling is a multi-millionaire (legally, a non-issue); and it doesn’t matter that Mr. Vander Ark has spent years researching Rowling’s universe. Doesn’t matter. What DOES matter is whether or not the book is substantially derived from Rowling’s texts.

That’s what the sitting judge will decide after examining the manuscript or finished book, and that judge will cite the aforementioned legal precedent regarding the Seinfeld quiz book.

Class is dismissed!”

* Clear, concise, and to the point. When she turned down his request to co-author an encyclopedia, he should have accepted that. Instead he made a print version of his web site and sold it for profit. Now he’s in a very sticky situation, with a publisher who’s obviously not comprehending that the stuff’s hit the fan and someone’s gonna pay for it.

Sad, really.

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Pat, I notice this sentence in the blog article you’ve linked to: “[Jo] doesn’t add, no doubt because it is not the case, that the profits will go to charity, only her royalties.”

Anyone who has such apparent and baseless disdain for Jo Rowling gets no respect in my book, no matter how eloquently they argue.

Also, the comparison to Jose Luis Borges, who’s been dead for over twenty years, is totally fallacious. Dead people have a hard time of filing suits against those who write dictionaries based on their works.


At any rate, although I’ll wait until the last shoe has fallen to make up my mind completely, I’m thinking that not a single person in this comments section finds themselves more convinced of Steve’s party’s innocence in this matter after reading (and digesting) his statement.

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http://www.qforquack.com/2007/11/01/the-harry-potter-lexicon/

I find Steve Vander Ark to be a total publicity stunt with his website almost being published for Harry Potter fans to read. I wouldn’t be saying this unless I had proof either, I actually thought publishing an encyclopedia would be an amazing idea too. Here’s basically what happened:

One of my readers, Matthew used to be my co-webmaster when I used to make Harry Potter websites, and just last year I approached this idea to him. He thought it would be cool too and we thought we should approach Steve and Melissa (from The Leaky Cauldron) to see what they would think. Here’s that e-mail: and have been with it for several years. You may know us from a past website, The Potter Prophet. Harry Potter Encyclopedia. We decided to attempt to affiliate with you guys, The Lexicon and The Wizarding World Press to make this possible. would have to fill us in about any fees and requirements we need to have to publish a book. The both of us are not very wealthy, so it would be difficult for us to pay off any required fees.

Thank you both for your time,
Matt * 
Jessica *

Steve took the time to reply to us (and forward his reply to Melissa aswell) telling us it would probably not be a good idea. This was due to the fact that he thought about the copyright infringement lawsuit that could occur. He also stated that many people and publishers had asked him in the past. rights to her intellectual property, which means that she’s the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world. And since we’re fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn’t do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it. We wouldn’t get away with it, though, since Neil Blair, her solicitor, is very quick to defend his illustrious client in things like this. series is finished, I plan to petition Jo to allow the Lexicon to work with her to create the ultimate Harry Potter encyclopedia. In the mean time, we’ll have to use the various online resources.

Thanks for the email!
Steve
Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon

What I hope you get out of this is that Steve indeed knew that this was wrong for him to even do, so I put this all a his fault. He knew that he would end up having to battle Neil Blair in court (just like I have i n the past few years). Mrs. Rowling’s lawyer is the toughest I have ever seen and if he doesn’t see any money being pulled out, he’ll eventually call up their financial company to try and scare you off with sums around a thousand dollars. I’ve been there, I know how it is. I think Steve should have thought better before he left something like this happen.

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The William Patry blog was a good read. I have been of the opinion all along that the content of the Lexicon is the result of serious analysis and as such would have to be viewed as an academic work. I can see an argument that quoting large amounts of text (such as sorting hat songs) might constitute copyright infringement, but one thing of which I am certain … “analysis” does not require the injection of opinion to be legitimate analysis. And if the book is deemed to be analysis, then the cease and desist suit will have no teeth.

What I do find absurd is the notion that ANYTHING will harm the sales of an encyclopedia written by Jo herself. The only thing that could hurt those sales is if she never wrote and/or published it to begin with.

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The Patry blog was uninformed and bent on making JKR evil because she actually makes money. Faulting her for whether or not she gives to charity – and ignoring that she IS giving to charity – is hardly showing you’re familiar enough with the facts of the case to make an accurate assessment. What a putz.

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SVA: providing crises on a nuclear scale.

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In the past year or two, I’d come to regard Steve very highly for his well-thought out opinions of Harry Potter and his work on both the Lexicon and on Pottercast. However, his actions as of late have really contradicted all that good will. It’s selfish, and he’s going against the very person who gave him that world in the first place. Reminds me of a bratty little kid who doesn’t like it when his parents say no. I, for one, hope that after all this is over, Steve isn’t invited back onto Pottercast, except for possibly an interview to discuss what happened (after all, if Laura Mallory can be on Pottercast, so can he). He clearly doesn’t hold Jo in the same regard as the Pottercast trio. And for any who disagree…this is a FAN site. We love JKR and the books. That’s what we do here.

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Amy S, yes, they did. As noted above, RDR has removed that section from their webpage talking about the case.

“SVA: providing crises on a nuclear scale.” L.O.L.!!!!

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lolz writes:

“The Patry blog was uninformed and bent on making JKR evil because she actually makes money.”

Actually, the Patry blog never said anything about Jo making money. His comments about a profit being made would have been directed toward the publisher making a profit as Patry clearly states

“She doesn’t add, no doubt because it is not the case, that the profits will go to charity, only her royalties.”

How will Jo stand to make a dime if all of her royalties go to charity?

What I think is the truly salient point made in the Patry blog is that the contents of the Lexicon are the product of serious analysis. As such, there is significant “value added” and the work can not be considered solely “derivative.”

But regardless of those points, the notion that any third-party companion book will harm the sales of a book written by Jo herself, is insulting to anyone who happened to notice that the Harry Potter fan base made Deathly Hallows one of the best selling books in multiple countries – before it had even been printed. Does anyone honestly think that people wouldn’t buy Jo’s book if they already owned Steve’s?

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RE: that qforquack.com blog.

Wow. Steve Vander Ark is a filthy hypocrite.

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The point, Mr. Blood, is that whether it would detract money or not is irrelevant. It’s JKR’s copyright, not Steve’s. she could be making all the money in teh world, or none, or it could stop ONE person from buying her book, or NO people from buying her book, and it does not change a thing.

And that QforQ blog says it all. WOW. 0.0.0.0.

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If the emails contained on that blog are true and accurate, Steve should be ashamed of himself. The alleged email from Vander Ark to the former owner of ‘The Potter Prophet’:

Hello, Matt and Jessica:
As the editor of the Lexicon, I get email every so often from fans asking me to publish the Lexicon in book form, so I’ve dealt with this question before. Basically, it is illegal to sell a book like that. Jo has reserved all publishing rights to her intellectual property, which means that she’s the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world. And since we’re fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn’t do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it. We wouldn’t get away with it, though, since Neil Blair, her solicitor, is very quick to defend his illustrious client in things like this.
So while it’s a smashing idea, it simply isn’t something that’s allowed at the moment. Believe me, when the series is finished, I plan to petition Jo to allow the Lexicon to work with her to create the ultimate Harry Potter encyclopedia. In the mean time, we’ll have to use the various online resources.
Thanks for the email!
Steve
Steve Vander Ark
The Harry Potter Lexicon
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Something that I don’t think has been covered by the comments is this: Steve is essentially trying to make money for himself out of the Lexicon website by publishing it in book form; a lot of the site is organised the way it is because of contributions by us the site users. We have pointed out errors, suggested things that should be included, suggested re-formats of certain layouts and helped with the ‘Britspeak’ parts. So not only is he trying to make a fast buck from Jo’s original stories, but he’s also trying to make money from all our work as well.

In my opinion the only way to show that the whole thing is wrong is to vote with your feet. If you agree that he should not be doing this, do not buy this book, if it ever gets published that is. How dare he have the cheek to put a link to a pre-order section on something that may never be allowed to see the light of day anyway?! What a shame to see someone we’ve always respected act in this way.

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The Patry blog entry is a bit of a ‘false friend’ here – the writer freely admits that he knows little of the Lexicon’s content (either book or site.)

He also neglects the fact that one of the factors used in deciding whether fair use doctorine applies is whether the usage is for commercial purposes or non-profit educational value (the website conforms to the latter, the book clearly the former) Notice that the RDR statement certainly recognises this important facet of fair use law; hence their remarks about how the print version of the Lexicon will “make its information available to underprivileged children and those in impoverished nations, who may have no access to computers or to the World Wide Web.” Others have already pointed out the problems in that statement; I don’t think they need repeating.

Phil.

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If those e-mails from that blog are accurate, then Steve knew that publishing the Lexicon was wrong, but he did it anyways.

Sounds to me like he got mad that JKR told him no, that she could write the encyclopedia on her own, and now he’s just out to publish his book out of spite. It would explain why he deliberately ignored four separate C&D letters, and why he’s trying to pass everything off as if fandom begged him to publish.

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karen writes:

“Steve is essentially trying to make money for himself out of the Lexicon website by publishing it in book form; a lot of the site is organized the way it is because of contributions by us the site users.”

To be honest, I think this is a MUCH bigger issue than publishing an analysis of JKR’s creations within her books. My understanding (which is albeit limited) is that the HP Lexicon is the result a NUMEROUS contributors. If their work is being used for profit without permission, then the author and publisher should be slammed hard for plagiarism. But that is a separate issue from the law suit.

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A couple points that have not yet been addressed to my satisfaction on this thread:

1. I am a historian, and have to say it’s true that some academic work is primarily the ordering and marshalling of all-ready-exisiting facts. That can be legitimate. HOWEVER, one of the key points in this case is not whether or not Steve’s work is good. It is that no one asked/assigned/”hired” him to do this work. I don’t think fans (even though I am one) count here, although many clearly appreciate his work. If JKR (as the creator) or WB (who has power because of owning the rights) didn’t hire him, how does he think that after the fact they will pay him for work they didn’t want to have done anyway?

2. Now to the work itself. I admit I’ve been an infrequent visitor to the Lexicon site. As much as I’ve liked Steve’s commentary on Pottercast, I haven’t liked reading the Lexicon, largely because it seems like boring reading. The example given by a poster earlier in this thread about Augusta Longbottom is a good example. The facts may all be there (in so far as we know them so far), but it’s dry as plain toast. None of the charm and wimsy of JKR’s writing is there. If her books had been like that they wouldn’t have had the appeal they do. It’s no surprise that JKR declined the offer to work together with Steve on the encyclopedia. Her encyclopedia will not only be full of known and previously un-known facts, but will also be written with her own panache, wit, and humor – the qualities we prize in the series and also in the two little reference books about Quiddich and “Fantastic Beasts.”

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Pity Steve has been so very generous in sharing his opinions on publication with various people over the years. A cooking pot has never had its flames fanned so high.

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“Because the material for the book was not only accepted but praised and used frequently by every entity concerned with creating the Harry Potter books, games, and films…”

Arrogant much?

Good lord. I can’t believe he’s really delusional enough to think that what he’s doing is legal and ethical. Is this really the sort of webmaster The Leaky Cauldrono affiliates themselves with?

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Small clarification on my preceding post – I make it sound as though Steve is expecting to be paid by JKR or WB – obviously that’s not what it’s about, but what I meant was that they would allow him to make money by selling something which they hadn’t asked for or wanted. And BTW, the Augusta Longbottom post was written by amadis, if you want to check Steve’s writing style.

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I don’t understand the point about Steve being hired for the task. I don’t think JKR was “hired” to write the original books either. She simply wrote them and then solicited them to the publishers. The real “peer review” process in this case takes place at the cash register when people decide to buy the book.

Whether or not someone asked him to do it isn’t particularly relevant – it is whether or not it is legal that is relevant. Someone could ask me to break the law but that would not excuse me of the responsibility for my own actions.

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Mr. Blood – yes, I agree that the legality of the thing is what is most relevant. JKR is an original creator, so even though no one asked her to write, the value of the product made it popular. Steve is not “creating” in that sense, his work is derivitive. If JKR or WB had “hired” him to do published work, his work would not be illegal, since they hold the rights. But you’re correct in a sense that people vote with their wallets by buying the books. Unless the courts forbid them to get that far, because they rule that Steve doesn’t have the right to publish that material.

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In earlier threads, commentators like mars and twoflowers22 wondered how this affair will affect JKR’s interaction with her fans. I’ve been wondering the same.

One of the unique and absolutely wonderful aspects of the entire HP phenomenon has been JKR’s approach to fans. In addition to the books themselves, she has been willing and (thanks to the Internet) able to give more to her readers than any author has ever done.

Then again, for the very same reason you could easily argue that JKR has made her bed and now must lie in it. Can’t you just imagine Stephen King tut-tutting: “I told you so in Misery. You give them a finger, they take an arm. Or a leg.” With her generous interaction, kindly nods like the fansite award and downright flattery like admitting to using the Lexicon, JKR has created some über-fans, and it was only a question of time before one of them was no longer content to be a humble servant of the fandom (like TLC seems to continue being, kudos to them) but sought to become a co-owner of the source material.

Then again, all those things that JKR has done for the fans have been such a rewarding addition to the reading, and she has so far managed the interaction with such grace and style, that we must hope that this affair can be resolved with dignity and that her faith in her fandom survives.

But whatever the outcome, this mess will provide fascinating material for some future scholar of the writer/reader relationship.

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Well, ultimately, the legality will be determined in court or by a mutually agreeable settlement between the parties involved. I’m certainly not a lawyer or an expert on the law, but that doesn’t preclude me from developing an opinion. And my opinion (and hope) is that Steve is allowed to publish his book (provided he has all the required permissions from his contributors!) I don’t think that Jo or WB will suffer any damages monetary or otherwise.

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No damages monetary or otherwise?

Let’s see: Monetary, her lawyers are racking up bills. Sure, she can afford it, but just becuase she can afford it doesn’t mean she should throw money down a legal black hole.

Non-monetary: some (thank god, few, and only those who don’t really seem to get the facts here) are turning against her. That’s a damage. For Steve trying to cash in on HER. This is ridiculous. Horrendous.

Steve should be leaving the fandom in shame, not trying to win the case and be vindicated. It’s gross.

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I’m stuck and confused. And definitely not cut out for being a lawyer of any description ;)

You all make a lot of sense, but so does this ‘Defense’ person.

Mehhh why does everything have to get so ugly, right at the end of a beautiful fandom? :(

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WOW… are they serious? That RDR statement is laughably unprofessional.

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I’m not saying here that I am agreeing with the publication of the Lexicon. But looking at what may happen in court. Yes, we can compare what Steve Vander Ark has done at the Lexicon with a scientific paper. That sort of “lexicon” work is done about any great author in the academical field , when characters and fact are dispersed on many books of the same author (I’m French so I think of Balzac or Proust !) ... And this kind of work are published and sold by university people, every day. The HP books are fiction, OK, but fiction is a “material” for literary studies. Some of these studies are critical studies, but other may be “organizing” work, on which the critics may rely, if this “organizing” work is serious and complete. So I agree with Ashes and Matthew Parry : the lawyers of SVA could argue the academicals work. What I don’t know, about those literary academicals publications is: does the editors need, or not, some form of authorization of the editors of books involved in the study ? The discussion about thesis was interesting, but we should search on the side of laws concerning academical (= university) literary books.

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Mrs. W: I agree. JKR has been, maybe, overly generous. As fans, we’ve enjoyed countless websites, fan fiction and her own site including the Wombats. Many authors would not have interacted with the readers or permitted use of their story that way.

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If JKR hadn’t written Harry Potter would Steve still have been able to make this book? No. If he wants to make money he should try getting creativity of his own.

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Annia: I encourage you to read this blog as well. It gives a more in-depth look at the issue. http://praetorianguard.livejournal.com/271214.html#cutid1 WIlliam Patry, not Matthew Parry, admits he is not familiar with the Lexicon. He cannot truly judge if the Lexicon is within the context of fair use if he has not spent a lot of time going over the site or reading the Lexicon manuscript. While I do not yet have my legal degree, a few issues seem clear (to me, anyway). Comparing the Lexicon to an unpublished work such as a report is erroneous. It is an encyclopedia which will be published to make a profit. Please, read up on fair use before you claim such things. I would also like to point out that comments on the Lexicon have once again been disabled. This seems highly suspicious. I’m so disappointed in SVA. I hoped that SVA was simply caught up in the VERY unscrupulous seeming RDR books, but from his comments, it does not appear this is the case. JKR (or her people, whatever) declined to write an encyclopedia with him and served RDR and SVA with cease and desist orders. JKR (or her people, whatever) declined to write an encyclopedia with him and served RDR and SVA with cease and desist orders. That should have been an indication of their displeasure, at the very least! This is not necessarily about supporting JKR over SVA: JKR is in the right, both legally and ethically, in my opinion. If SVA had complied with fair use, or complied at all, I would not support the action taken by JKR and WB. The truth of the matter is SVA does NOT have license to publish the Lexicon simply because he is “Lexicon Steve.” I find it interesting no one is decrying the fact that a HP encyclopedia written by someone not in the fandom will remain unpublished because of another lawsuit brought on by JKR and WB. I honestly hope that SVA does not become buried in all of this, but JKR deserves to have her copyrights upheld, and it seems highly likely this will happen. It will be a very sad day for copyright holders everywhere if RDR wins this suit.

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I just cant agree with Steve. I love lexicon, and it should remain in cyberspace. If its not for profiting off of Harry Potter information, then it shouldn’t be published. The Lexicon is essentially not a critique of Harry Potter so much as a reference, much like the one planned by Rowling no doubt.

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“So a guy comes out and says he really didn’t expect this and he hopes it works out ok, and you all just jump on him. That’s awesome. Good job guys. ... So go ahead and bash him in support of your god – I mean favorite author.

Oh, and boycotting the site, that’s hilarious, no one cares. Combined with putting a caution on Leaky for reporting news and remaining steadfastly unbiased in the face of this slam-fest. Classy.” Posted by defense on November 05, 2007 @ 12:15 AM

I do agree to some extent with “defense”, in that the amount of slamming of Steve and each other in these comments is pretty extreme. I think JKR has the right of it, legally, but to say that Steve is a horrible person is a bit much. Sure, I don’t like his actions much, but maybe he’s a nice person making stupid choices.

I think that people saying that Steve should still publish the book are being a little idealistic. I sincerely doubt that’s going to happen, now. Yes, the Lexicon book would not have made even a tiny dent in JKR’s encyclopedia revenues. However, I think she had to go after it, legally, to preserve her rights in future. Heck, maybe she would have been okay with the Lexicon being out there – but from what I’ve gathered, she (and WB) has to make sure that no one infringes on her (and WB’s) trademarks. Also, maybe she sees it as a bit of a betrayal that one of her fans would write an encyclopedia without her permission when she was planning on doing one herself. Even though they wouldn’t be the same. And it totally wouldn’t affect her sales. :D

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This Steve Vander Ark sounds like Harry Potters answer to Ian Levine (a famous vocal Doctor Who fan with an overinflated opinion of his own self importance). I hope this sort of attitude doesn’t spread to other websites, it would ultimetly damage the fandom more than any religious book-burner ever could.

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Stop it, Steve. It’s embarassing.

There are enough senseless wars in the world already.

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Steve has ONE easy solution, make the lexicon printable from his website…then that would solve ALL of his so called “reasons” for wanting to charge $25 to have a book version.

At this point the Lexicon book is looking more and more like a way to rip off Jo’s intellectual property. He knows any Potter related book will sell very well and make him a LOT of money. Its that simple.

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::Shakes head::

Steve really needs to learn to think before he creates excuses. Basically it sounds like he’s blaming the fans.

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I would like to know his reasons for throwing the HP fandom under the bus with all of this! How dare he say its for us that hes doing all of this! Why doesnt he just post a print button, or sell it for free to fans, or donate the money to charity? Hes a joke.

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Making profits off her work! That’s what makes me angry. I have no respect for him anymore… His statement says nothing we didn’t expect him to say, and I never thought he would do such a thing. And for all the people who comment that because we take Jo’s side, we are supporting her only because she is our favorite author (how did you put it, defense, that she is our God?), I laugh… cuz if it was your own 17 years worth of writing and creating, you’d be angry as well.

There is a HUGE difference between a free website and a book, Steve! And the fact that you say you did it after many fans asked you to… LOL Wow… We made you do it… It’s our fault, we should never have forced you to go against Jo’s will. We are so sorry!

Just had to vent here guys, sorry about that! ;-)

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Balzac and Proust are both dead, and their works are in the public domain. Heck, you can even download entire books of theirs for free online at sites like Project Gutenberg.

JKR, on the other hand, is still alive and well. Her copyrights and trademarks are still very much her own.

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Steve should not have posted because he’s merely added fuel to the fire. I’m sure he felt a lot of pressure to say something, but trying to defend the book’s publication on the grounds that his initial motivation was not profit but a desire to give fans what they wanted (i.e., a print version of the HP Lexicon) sounds disingenuous, since there are other ways to give the fans what they want without having to publish a separate book. For instance, reformat the entire website in an Adobe PDF file by using Adobe InDesign or Quark for page layout (that’s what you do when you get the files done for a book printer), and then allow fans to print out 400 pages that could be put in a 3-ring loose-leaf binder. But, no, that would mean that Steve gets no money, but the fans would have the work in printed form. Even now, if you wanted you could print out from your browser the entire contents of his site, but that’d be awkward.

The real problem, the smoking gun, is the posting from the fans with an e-mail from Steve specifically addressing his thoughts on a Rowling reference book, like an encyclopedia. Folks, this is damning evidence, if it was actually sent because it establishes that Steve knew he couldn’t proceed without Rowling’s permission. It appears that the e-mail from Steve is genuine and, if so, could be used in court by WB and Rowling against Steve.

My presumption here is that Steve honestly felt that because Rowling hadn’t objected to his website, and in fact is a fan herself of it, and that others who are officially associated with her use the site as a reference, that he felt she’d embrace the idea of (a) letting him publish it in book form, or (b) working with him to create a synthesized encyclopedia, with his derivative entries spiced up with her commentary. I don’t believe he honestly felt she’d say “no.” But she did, and suddenly that changed everything. Steve was now in an uncomfortable position: either accede to her wishes and get nothing off the book (outside of ad revenue on his site), or go ahead and publish it anyway, and take his chances.

Keep this clearly in mind: Steve has CHOSEN to go ahead with publication, as has his publisher, even after he’s been told to stop. In the end, Rowling was FORCED to sue because all the other alternatives had been explored and proved fruitless.

One poster quoted one entry from the HP Lexicon, which is clearly an encyclopedia entry. It’s just the facts from the book rearranged. There’s no psychological analysis, there’s not insights of character motivations, there’s no discussions about the inspirations about the characters’ names or what might have inspired them. In short, there’s no CONTEXT. The rearranged fictional facts is not original writing; there’s no expression here. It’s dry like toast, whereas Rowling’s entry would be suffused with wit and charm and humour, and would clearly be her fictional “voice” that is distinctly recognizable—the entries in her two charity books (one about beasts, the other about Quidditch) demonstrate that clearly, and that’s what fans REALLY want: more from Rowling, and in her own words.

The issue of “derivative use” is the key one here, and to the extent that the HP Lexicon is derived from her fiction without anything original from Steve … that’s the legal crux of this matter.

In the end, it’s what the judge (and/or jury) thinks. It will be based on legal considerations—not opinion, not intent, and not the personal merits (or demerits) of Steve and RDR Books.

Without Rowling’s novel, the HP Lexicon wouldn’t even exist: If you were to delete every entry that refers specifically to the Harry Potter novels, the HP Lexicon would be a blank page—not one with hundreds of pages.

A clearer case of derivative use I cannot imagine: the HP Lexicon is WHOLLY derived from Rowling’s seven novels and 2 charity books. For him and RDR Books to claim otherwise is legally indefensible and for him to continue to publish in the face of specific requests from Rowling to NOT publish it is morally wrong.

Steve has the power to end this right now. All he has to do is tell his publisher, “No, I’ve had a change of heart. I don’t want to proceed.” But I don’t forsee that happening: there’s too much money at stake (foreign editions, US editions); there’s too much press coverage and media attention being paid to RDR Books (its UK Amazon ranking has soared); and RDR Books wants to be the house that it has the right to publish, and (so far) is willing to take that chance.

What Steve has lost is Rowling’s goodwill, and that is of inestimable worth. The simple fact is that she can shut down his website as well, since it exists ONLY because she allows it. And she allowed it because he wasn’t making money on it (outside the ads). But her copyrights in this matter extend to ALL published forms, including the Internet. It’s by her grace that she ALLOWS the HP Lexicon to exist.

One scenario would be that Steve and RDR Books loses in court, and then Rowling decides to permanently shut this down by forcing the corresponding website to shut down, as well, and post her own encyclopedia online for the fans.

My point here-and it’s a BIG one-is that Steve feels he has the right to his HP Lexicon, but a lexicon (according to the AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY) is: a dictionary; a stock of terms used in a particular profession, subject, or style; a vocabulary. And a lexicographer is: one who writes, compiles, or edits a dictionary.

HP Lexicon is a dictionary of fictional entries from Rowling’s work, and as such is substantially derivative and therefore violates Rowling’s copyrights.

Had Steve given this a lot of thought, after Rowling turned him and his HP Lexicon down, he would have been better off to accede and then suggest alternative projects within the guidelines she (and copyright laws) permit, and she would have been a willing advocate and supporter—instead of a plaintiff in court.

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Steve’s statement regarding his lawsuit has taken away all respect I’ve had for him. On a positive note, if he doesn’t get the opportunity to profit from his Lexicon book (which he shouldn’t be able to) he might have a career in politics!

He claims that he is doing this for the fans and not for profit. If that is true, why did he quit his librarian job (as was previously reported)? If he truly has the fans in mind, and not his own profits, why not dedicate all profits to charity?

This is a chance to profit here, plain and simple. Steve has done a lot for the Potter fans but in this case he is taking advantage of the fans sympathy and J.K. Rowling’s property.

Sorry, Steve…go back to your day job and earn your money with dignity and honor.

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“Doing it for the fans” is a really weak excuse. If all the fans jumped off cliffs I guess he’d follow?

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This is funny. First Melissa suddenly flips around on her opinion of Laura Mallory – because she’s writing a book on harry potter fandom…and now Van der Ark thinks his site is a critique on HP and filled with academic insight?!

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Let me get this straight – those of you who are tearing Steve to shreds (despicably) – you NEVER use the lexicon? Ever? I just want to make this point clear. Because if it’s just an easy peasy matter of reorganising material and he doesn’t deserve a penny for the effort – it would have to be worthless, right?

Also, he’s not done any WORK (definition: productive or operative activity, exertion or effort directed to produce or accomplish something; labor) according to you? He’s just taken excerpts and then printed them under different headings, is that what you’re suggesting? He’s not elaborated, conjectured on any of it? Just lifted parts of the books and then shuffled them around?

I think this is all messed up and JKR doesn’t NEED to sue but she’s suing anyway. That’s my opinion. You guys are entitled to believe Steve is wrong but there’s no need to verbally abuse him or to tear into anyone who says anything supportive of him.

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linden swallow, please, PLEASE give me ONE example of just a successful author who HASN’T allowed fans to have fan websites, fan fiction, fan art? I’m so confused as to why people keep bringing this up as a sign of JKR’s generosity. She’s not exactly set a precedent here.

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Loopy—First off, no. I don’t use the Lexicon. I use the Harry Potter Wiki, which I consider a superior source. Plus, they’re not trying to cash in on JKR’s books by publishing a $25 book “for the fans”, so that’s another point in their favor.

Second of all, yes, Steve’s done a lot of work on his site, but the simple fact is, JKR and WB’s copyrights and trademarks take precedence. He’s not entitled to publish his site in the form it’s in because it’s a massive case of copyright infringement. JKR and WB have to sue in order to protect their interests. It’s just that simple. Jo created the HP world, its characters, and its stories. She’s absolutely within her rights to protect her property from what she considers improper use.

No one asked him to create the Lexicon. And the Lexicon itself wouldn’t exist without JKR’s work in the first place. So no, I don’t think he should be allowed to profit at all from this.

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Loopy-

I agree with you a lot on this when you say that people shouldn’t abuse Steve. But I still have problems with it. Steve worked a lot on the Lexicon, and he put in tons of effort I’m sure. But for him to ignore J.K. Rowling when she (or her lawyers) request that he not publish this book? It means he doesn’t respect J.K. Rowling’s wishes, in my mind. Maybe he’s not even calling the shots anymore, and it’s just his publishing company. But they have made some really terrible moves either way, and I think it’s really idiotic of them to stand up to J.K. Rowling in this manner.

The book itself appears to be a printed verson of the Lexicon. So, why not put a print button on the web site? And as for the children who can’t use the internet for this? Does he really think they can afford a book like that if they don’t have a computer? His whole aruement is weak, I’m sorry to say. If he comes out with some sort of “I’m sorry” thing, and drops the lawsuit against WB, I could quite easily forgive him. But if he continues it, and publishes the book, I know I won’t be buying a copy.

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“please, PLEASE give me ONE example of just a successful author who HASN’T allowed fans to have fan websites, fan fiction, fan art? I’m so confused as to why people keep bringing this up as a sign of JKR’s generosity. She’s not exactly set a precedent here.”

You want an example? That’s easy—Anne Rice. She will immediately shut down any fan fiction, and has done so since 2000. Try finding any fan fiction for her books online. It simply can’t be done.

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Well, as a 61-year-old Harry Potter fan, I have often wished The Lexicon was in book form many times (as my memory isn’t as good as it used to be). A book form of the Lexicon would certainly be handier than always needing to use one of our computers to look up something I had forgotten.

I see this whole issue as unfortunate for everyone involved, especially the fans. Regardless of who is right, who is wrong, who has the copyright law on their side, etc. I for one would love to be able to have copies of BOTH books someday, both JKR’s and Steve’s.

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But then Minnie who actually reads Anne Rice books?

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Have been following the comments and just read the RDR-FAQ…would like to quote just one more statement screaming with inconsistency:

“What is your response to J.K. Rowling’s November 2 allegation that the Harry Potter Lexicon aims to “re-organize their characters and plots?” As the plaintiffs including Ms. Rowling know from their use of the Harry Potter Lexicon for the past seven years, this is a non-fiction critical reference work. Never in its history have the reference librarians and academic scholars at the Harry Potter Lexicon attempted to reorganize fictional plots or characters.”

...and here I thought (re)organizing the plot was the point of an encyclopedia/the lexicon.

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Well… That statement just sounded a tad bit fake to me. I’m not trying to see him as the villain of the piece, but come on Steve, really?

Who the hell would ask to PAY that much money for something that was free on the Internet already? And if they did, I shall consider them utterly insane or stupidly rich! I can’t believe the book moved up in the sales rank. Talk about bad publicity and gaining from it.

Like the many brilliant people in this discussion suggested, just put a print button on the website and be done with it!

Personally, if this were my work, I would not want it to be reformatted and published into an encyclopaedia that I was ALREADY GOING TO PUBLISH, on the subject of MY BOOKS. But that’s just me.

I have no sympathy for the man and I wish JKR all the best.

End Note: It’s not about the winning; it’s not about the money. It’s the principle of it!

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I always visit the HP wiki, too. It’s just as good as the Lexicon and more up to date, on top of it.

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i may not understand all the lawyer stuff. the lexicon is free, great and/but free, but if you try and make money from someone else’s work…not cool. look at the leaky crafts section it explains the morality of copyright perfectly…someone put it great when they said something to the effect of JKR allowing us to play in her “sandbox”. sorry this book is NOT okay, by the very nature of what it is…

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cat fight

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John and Sue, Until she comes back, maybe you could refer to her as “Melvin the Muggle”. As she won’t gain back her wizarding privelages until she returns.

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I’ve just read SVA’s statement, and the one on RDR. Looks like they are finally listening closely to their attorneys (SVA has of course been quiet, very appropriately so, which means his posting almost certainly is at the advice of his legal representative)

Folks, the real key here is the content of the proposed book, which none of us are aware of. Can we stop bashing anyone and everyone? Let’s recognize its a sad situation that might have been avoided, and simply hope that the various parties—all of whom have given us a lot—find a solution that gives us still more to enjoy?

Rule of thumb in publishing and scholarship: two (or twenty) people can write critical or analytical books on the same subject, and no two will be identical. Since JKR has a lot of notes and materials that no one but she is aware of, her Encyclopedia would necessarily be more inclusive than anything SVA or anyone else could do. As long as SVA’s proposed book does not violate any copyright laws (see Mr. Blood’s post at the top of page 3 in this thread), then what’s the big deal…

Everything hinges on the proposed content…and I simply wish the matter had been dealt with earlier and more sensibly.

A final thought, about buying the books. I plan to buy the Mugglenet book, definitely, and Melissa’s (which really touches on something unique, the importance of TLC and its Floonet partners and the HP fans in this wonderful HP journey) when it becomes available. If SVA’s book does appear after all the legal stuff is finished, I’ll buy that too. Why? Each of the major fan sites has given a lot to us, and at a tremendous effort. So, how can I best support those people who gave me what I wanted? I’ll buy their books, each of which will be easier to read than my printoffs from the web!

Melissa’s book really does promise to be the most interesting…there has never before been anything like TLC and FlooNet, and I am eager to learn the details of how everything came about, the early (er um) unplesantness with WB (which everyone seems to have forgotten!), and so on.

Thank you, Leaky, for keeping us informed, and for giving us a space to discuss the news!

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@David But SVA CAN’T go back to his day job.

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“But then Minnie who actually reads Anne Rice books?”

Plenty of people if her book sales are anything to go by. She’s nowhere near as popular as JKR, but she has fans too.

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How come jo didn’t give steve premission to write this book anyways. Pullman give premission to ms. frost to write an encyclopedia. It wouldn’t have hurt anyway. Why is jo so mean.

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She didn’t give permission because she didn’t want to. End of story.

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not: Bad, bad Jo, wanting to write the encyclopedia of her own world & characters and give the profit to charity when Steve knows what she thinks about her characters much better and needs money more that those stupid starved orphaned children… What’s she thinking, really. It’s such a clear cut case.

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Dear Loopy: An example of an artist who doesn’t allow other uses of his images is Bill Waterson, who created the strip Calvin and Hobbes. I copied and pasted the following from Wikipedia: “Because of Watterson’s strong anti-merchandising sentiments4 and his reluctance to return to the spotlight, almost no legitimate Calvin and Hobbes merchandise exists outside of the book collections. Some officially approved items were created for marketing purposes and are now sought by collectors.[5] Two notable exceptions to the licensing embargo were the publication of two 16-month wall calendars and the textbook Teaching with Calvin and Hobbes.[6] However, the strip’s immense popularity has led to the appearance of various “bootleg” items, including T-shirts, keychains, bumper stickers, and window decals, often including obscene language or references wholly uncharacteristic of the whimsical spirit of Watterson’s work.”

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Just a little note here for those that mentioned Steve putting a print button on his site. You can print it out, page by page, from your browser toolbar if you want to do just that. You can do that with any web page or site. Check your browser toolbar for the print button.

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As long as no one knows what exactly the printed Lexicon edition might contain, there is no way of judging this situation with the least degree of certainty. Our personal emotions might be misleading us – this is about law, which follows its own logic and philosophy. All we can judge at the moment are the public statements made by the parties involved – and my personal impression is that RDR’s utterances are far from being professional. Their strange imputations (“international smear campaign”?!) might mirror a guilty conscience – or simply result from other influences unknown to me.

And one last point: To give you an idea what the criteria for “academic” or “critical” publications on Harry Potter might be, take a look at Viola Owlfeather’s Harry Potter Bibliography: http://www.eulenfeder.de/hpliteratur.html

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Max, I agree with you, and without the detailed info any discussion here is just smoke. And yes, RDR does seem the least professional (listen to your lawyers, folks, and just maintain a dignified silence!)

cheers

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A lexicon by SVA = useful information about books written by JKR.

An encyclopedia by JKR = more information from JKR’s notes and imagination -in her own writing-that cannot possibly be in the former book.

The point? The books will not, and cannot, be the same. To claim they compete with each other is false.

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To Minnie and Jasmine :

You are using the the Harry Potter Wiki : How can you tell that “the Harry Potter” Wiki doesn’t use the Lexicon ?

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How can you the that the Lexicon’s timeline doesn’t use one of the other HP timelines availabe on the web (like the popular German http://hpzeittafel.de.vu/ )?

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All you CAN tell is that they all use Harry Potter. Period. End of story.

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The idea that people would individually print out an entire site that’s hundreds or thousands of pages long is ridiculous. There is obvious value in offering it in book form for those who want it. It costs money to publish a physical book. If you want to put one out there, you charge money for it. That’s certainly what Jo has done and she’s become wealthy beyond all imagining by doing so. It’s not like she oh so generously published the HP series on a blog or forum somewhere.

Also, there is no way that publishing the lexicon can be construed as ‘ripping off fans’ – unless you also think Jo’s encyclopedia will be ‘ripping off fans’. So far we’ve gotten info that was left out of the books via her web site and interviews. Why should she put the rest in a book format and charge for it when she could just keep giving it out for free? I’d hope everyone agrees that is a ridiculous argument. It’s ridiculous in regards to the lexicon as well. If you don’t want either or both of the books, don’t buy them. If you do, it’s hardly ‘ripping you off’.

Also, people whining on about SVA starting to feel ‘entitled’ should really look at their own hypocrisy. Anyone getting info from the web is making use of things that don’t ‘belong to’ them (from the corporate point of view), for free or a reduced cost: the news articles, the video clips, the photographs, the music, etc. If you had to go out and BUY all those newspapers and magazines and subscribe to cable tv to see celebrity appearances and go to all the events yourself (some of which are overseas), etc., you’d be broke in a week. All this corporate grabbing of ‘rights’ to information and material and the means of interactive communication would make it illegal for any of you to see, read or listen to anything of value (or to have these kinds of conversations online) without paying through the nose in every individual instance. You’re feeding into a devastating trend. Just recently Jo reminded people to question authority. In this case, she, WB and her team of lawyers are the authority.

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Le’ts not again have the argument that because she’s wealthy she loses her rights. That’s ridiculous.

And question authority, yes. Ignore COMMON SENSE, no.

The Lexicon is claiming they’re donig it for the fans, who oh so badly want him to put it in print format. Seriously. I mean, seriously, that’s what they’re saying. I’ve seen no clamoring for this, and if Steve has gotten some emails about it over the years – to which, check it out, he responded to by saying it’s ILLEGAL to publish that book – then he’s let a couple of requests be mistaken for the demanding masses. Which is sad and arrogant.

If their only reason for publishing is so that the fans have a print copy, then give all proceeds to charity. Put it on a site like Lulu.com, which will only charge for the cost of publishing. Sell it at cost, swear you’re not making any profit.

ONCE YOU MAKE PROFIT ON THIS, GAME IS OVER.

Seriously, “serious.” Get real.

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I think silence would have served Steve better, if this is all he has had to say. With his statement, he has now not only insulted JKR, WB and occasional lurkers of his site, but also his true fans and supporters, and quite possibly all those staffers who have slaved just as hard as he has, to make the Lexicon a moderately comprehensive resource for fans of the Harry Potter books and movies. When I first got wind of this story, I had to shake my head and wonder where in the world anyone would get the idea to do something like this, because it is blatantly a copyright violation. Steve is a fan of the books, and somewhere along the way, he had the drive and ambition to start compiling book facts into a guide for other fans. My feeling is no one asked him to create this website; no one twisted his arm to maintain it, so when did he begin developing this sense of entitlement that he was owed something for all his hard work? What about all the volunteers and contributors to the Lexicon? Have they been promised profits from the book for all their hard work, or do all proceeds to go him? Kudos to Steve for the amount of work he has poured into the Lexicon, but he didn’t do it alone, and he didn’t do it because he was forced to do it. If he was hired by either JKR or WB to create and maintain this site, then yes, I would better understand where he would have got this notion that he was owed something more, but as it stands, he took a work that had been created by someone else, extracted useful, quick-reference information for himself and other fans, and did nothing more or less than that.

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RE: I’m sick of the steve bashing. The best post I have seen about this from a non-hp fan was posted by William Patry (a copyright lawyer). There are also some interesting comments.

The problem with taking that lawyer’s point of view seriously is that he is counsel to corporation (Google) that has been working to weaken copyright law so that the text of copyrighted works can be included in search engine results. Mr. Patry has a vested interest in seeing existing copyright law (and JK Rowlling’s existing rights in Harry Potter) undermined.

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. . . and Patry’s analysis of the applicable copyright law is questionable (I tried to restrain myself from saying it, but I can’t. His analysis is wrong).

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Love this. “JKR” on Craig Ferguson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91B5_uhPLhM

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“The problem with taking that lawyer’s point of view seriously is that he is counsel to corporation (Google) that has been working to weaken copyright law so that the text of copyrighted works can be included in search engine results. Mr. Patry has a vested interest in seeing existing copyright law (and JK Rowlling’s existing rights in Harry Potter) undermined.”

Well, that makes sense, since everything he said directly opposes all the other lawyer opinions (from people involved in the fandom , not WK/JKR lawyers) that were posted on the matter.

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I would never have thought that a print version could be judged differently.

Although websites cost money, nothing could be compared to the print version of them. So, yeah, she would sue. Anyone would do the same. Unless he prints, says it is not official, and donates EVERY LITTLE PENNY to charity. Even so, people could argue.

I just wish we had an official one soon :)

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I’ve been using the Lexicon pretty much ever since I found out about it. It is a very handy online tool—especially when I’m at work (without my books) and me and coworkers are having one of our (frequent) Harry Potter discussions and we need a quick fact check.

However, I am disappointed in Steve, his comments, and the attitude of the publishing company. The publishing company is showing a serious lack of professionalism which is making them look extremely bad. Steve’s comments that he was pressured to do this by the fans is ridiculous especially if that email posted is true. Clearly, he knew and understood in the past that without JK’s permission that attempting to publish a book would be illegal, so I’m not sure why he decided to push ahead (without said permission) at this point in time?

It’s been no secret that JK has had intentions of putting out her own encylopedia - in fact, I think it was known before the 7th book even came out. It was admirable of Steve to ask if she wanted to collaborate on it - however once she said no/rebuffed his request, he should have dropped the issue and the attempt and let it go.

There are some that are blaming JK/WB for beating down the little guy, but as countless others have said—it’s their responsibility to protect the copyrights that they own. If they do not, than they can actually loose those copyrights. I’m not faulting them, and I believe that they’re in the right.

Hope my comment made sense (and if I made spelling and grammatical errors, I apologize) I hate the Daylight Savings time shift—always takes me a couple days to readjust ;)

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I agree with you, Silvermoon. It is not only reasonable and logical for JKR and WB to take every measure to protect what is legally theirs, but they also have a responsibility to do so, IMO. Could you imagine what sort of message it would send, if one of the most popular authors of all time were to allow someone to take a condensed (or whatever it is) compilation of her work and make a profit from it, especially when she’s not even done with the series herself? You would see every sort of opportunist coming out of the woodwork, trying to do the same, not only to her work, but to others’ as well. It’s not about the money; it’s the principle of the matter. I believe she has been more than fair to allow sites like the Lexicon to exist in the first place. She certainly doesn’t need the advertising sites like this will claim they give her works; she hasn’t required this sort of publicity or ‘free’ advertising for a long time—if ever. It doesn’t matter her reasons for declining Steve’s request, when he asked her(?) if he could proceed in publishing his project. It’s her property, no matter what fancy things he’s done with it, and he should have respected her wishes and dropped the matter altogether. How is what Steve is trying to do any different than someone, perhaps a neighbour, borrowing something from your property and then trying to sell it and pocket the money? How is it different? It’s not. You might not object to your neighbour borrowing, for example, your lawnmower (even if he doesn’t ask for permission before doing so), but I think you’d be far from okay if your neighbour then sold your lawnmower, no matter what justifications he had for doing so. This is a simple example, but the principle is still the same. How does anyone feel it’s within Steve’s right to make a profit by selling what is not his to sell?

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This is my palm connecting with my face.

Ok assuming for a minute this is just critical analysis and that is doesn’t contain essays from the lexicon what the ruddy hell is going in that book and why then would it be described as a printed version of the lexicon. And also if it was just critical analysis where does it earn the title of an encyclopaedia. If it is as it’s being described why is the publisher having such a hard time handing it over.

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J. K. Rowling is a bully.

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From the sounds of his email – he is still planning on printing the Lexicon and feels he has the right to do whatever he wants because she used it. Come on – whatever. The 501st gets used by Lucas all the time and we aren’t stupid enough to think that gives us the right to make money off of our costumes.

He should of kept his mouth shut – I for one have lost the last little bit of respect I ever had for him.

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the lexion is a good site.. but im with Jo, I want her version. I want to wait for the REAL version. He is making a profit from someone elses work which is wrong and for his own ends its not fair. and everyone loses out.

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“You are using the the Harry Potter Wiki : How can you tell that “the Harry Potter” Wiki doesn’t use the Lexicon?”

Who cares? They both use J.K. Rowling’s books as their source material. They’re both just really detailed fansites. I just happen to think the Wiki is better because of the Wiki format which makes it all easier to read, and the fact that they’re not out there trying to make a buck off JKR’s work like Steve is.

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What Steve is doing reminds me a lot of the fangirls who steal “private pictures” of the HP actresses from the actresses’ friends, and then claim to own these pictures. Or like when icon makers (on LiveJournal) have a fit when someone “steals” their icons. It’s all ridiculous and hilarious and shows a complete lack of understanding of the current understanding of “ownership”. Steve doesn’t own anything on the Lexicon’s site, and as such has no right to profit off of ANY of it.

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It sounded sincere, but I don’t really buy it. Seeing as according to JKR Steve wasn’t willing to work with her, I’m still on her side.

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Is the shoe on the other foot?? This is from Lexion artcives 2007:

” “Something I had to do…” May 11, 2007 Posted by Steve at 3:10 pm Two days ago I did something I’ve never done before. I sicced my lawyer on someone. Believe me, this is not the way I like to operate. People steal material from the Lexicon all the time. Contributors for Wikipedia are famous for it. Yeah, it bothers me. Stealing is wrong. At least three published books have plagiarized quite shamelessly and never even given credit to the Lexicon. It bothers me a lot. I send emails asking things to be removed and usually that’s the end of the matter. So when I found out about this guy, I just sort of shook my head and figured I’d send my usual gentle insistence that he stop stealing. Except this one’s different. This fellow is basically out to scam fans out of money as fast as he can before book seven comes out. He’s written a book which he wants to sell and in order to sweeten the deal, he offers bonus material. This bonus material is all from the Lexicon, from Accio Quote, and from Jo’s website. I’m sorry, but that’s where I draw the line. I will not stand for someone stealing my material and using it to scam fans out of money. So my lawyer sent him a cease and desist letter two days ago. We’re asking that he stop what he’s doing and that he return money to anyone who bought his book. His response? He sent a jokey email to the people on his email list about being sued. He’s still merrily doing business. Perhaps he thinks we’re bluffing. He’s never met my lawyer. I don’t like to do things like this. But this leech is not a true fan. He’s an opportunist who sees a chance to make some quick money by playing on fans’ enthusiasm leading up to book seven. I won’t mention him or his site by name because I don’t want to send traffic his way. I also don’t want to generate a storm of nasty emails from other fans or anything like that. We’ll let the legal process do what it’s supposed to do.”

NOW Steve is using his “works” for profit. But this is really Jo’s world, her baby. She is the only one who should put out encyclopedia.

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Yes “irritated” I feel the same way. That’s way I’m posting my comments here.

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the lexicon disabled comments? those little $%^@*(#!!!!

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Does anyone know if the UK version of the book was released today as scheduled?

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I don’t think it was, simply because last I heard, the UK publisher was co-operating with JKR and WB. Plus, there’d be more rumblings in the media if it had been released.

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so why is one publisher working with them and not the other? if its both the same book than isn’t it just RDR that’re being idiots, not steve?

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If I had to guess, I’d imagine the UK publisher was under the impression that both Steve and RDR had clearance to publish. Come to find out from JKR and WB that it wasn’t the case at all. They probably backed off from publication immediately so they wouldn’t get sued as well.

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Too little, too late.

And I’m willing to bet that the way Jo’s used the Lexicon was to look up or double-check a fact or tidbit on the road when she did not have her notes with her, wanted to work, and was unsure whether she’d mentioned something or not, for example. I rather doubt she spent much time with the Lexicon’s “critical and academic analysis” (I have a notion she’s even said something along the lines of she does not read fanfic or commentary – but I am not sure). Two specific things I want to say about this:

First, not everything that’s styled “critical and academic” is in fact that. There is a reason why people spend years of study to become real academics, and why few people make it as literary or art critics. While I have not read all of the essays on the Lexicon (or elsewhere) that purport to make such a contribution, I wish people would exercise some judgement and not buy up everything that comes with a “Harry Potter” tag.

Second, the RDR/SVA story becomes less credible and more contradictory every day. There are two basic possibilities of what they are trying to do, and they are doing their best to obscure which it is – for fairly obvious reasons, it would appear:

1) They are looking to publish a Lexicon, that is, an (ordered) accumulation of facts of Jo’s creation in a reference work, which would be mostly a literal copy of most of what’s on the site. THAT aspect, of course, is the only thing that distinguishes the Lexicon from any other fan website (much like their broad and thorough coverage of the news in the potterverse distinguishes Leaky and Mugglenet), that is their special service. It is much appreciated, well done, and definitely worth preserving. Any attempt to profit from it, however, would also create major copyright issues, as this whole situation makes abundantly clear.

2) They are looking to publish a work of critical analysis and commentary about the potter books, created by SVA and staff. That’s not a particularly new idea – as has been pointed out many times by now, those are a dime a dozen, and there’s no reason why theirs should be in any way special, or more special than, for example, Mugglenet’s book(s), or perhaps a collection of scribbulus essays. It would not be a direct copy of what is online now, or at least of just a small part of it, and possibly contain new content. It would probably not create copyright concerns (again, it’s been done before) – but it would also not make a very large splash commercially, as you can bet your behind RDR are very well aware.

So – all in all, this entire episode leaves the bad taste of an encounter between a small publisher eager to get a slice of the HP cake and an ardent fan who appears slightly resentful about not receiving enough reward for his work and whose ego was bruised when Jo did not jump at the occasion of publishing a Lexicon with him. Quite sad.

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I appreciate that SVA spent many hours on his site but does that entitle him to make money from JKR’s creation? Let’s say I spent a lot of time transcribing a band’s lyrics (let’s say the Bare Naked Ladies) and downloading their songs on to discs. No one would argue that I should be permitted to copy cd’s of the songs in the order that I like and sell them, keeping all of the money for myself. Clearly, the songs (and profits) belong to the Bare Naked Ladies.

Steve is doing something similar. He has already made a reputation and some money from Harry Potter. He and RDR are just copying JKR’s songs and repackaging.

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To those who say the rights and wrongs of it are all just a matter of opinion: that’s total rubbish. Everyone who’s ever done any academic publishing (which I have) knows that the rules on quotation of other works, even for academic purposes, are very strict (in UK copyright law at least). You can’t print more than a couple of hundred words in direct quotation (and that means all quotations added together). HPL if published in book form would clearly infringe that.

I’ve always thought HPL is a great site, but copyright law is there for a reason: to protect the livelihood of authors. Anyone with a brain can see why that is important. Steve does not have a leg to stand on.

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Not to be nasty, but Steve is definitely in the wrong. I hardly think listing facts from a source as a critical analysis. While I think the Lexicon is fun to scan through, in print it treads on JK’s toes.

Steve, I’m sorry to say I support her lawsuit. It is her work, her call, and she has clearly stated she said no. That sound be the end of the story… It’s her property.

I really think Steve should be off Pottercast.

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He’s not trying to make money off fans… So he wont’ be making huge profits from this little venture then? Eh? Perhaps he’ll funnel those back into the fans too. Why didn’t he just add a print button to his site! He specifically copyrighted every page to prevent anyone printing anything for petes sake; and had all these polite, hypocritical requests not to use Lexicon stuff without permission! I hope he gets properly sued!

And I note he didn’t comment on Rowling asking him not to publish it!

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Well well well, isn’t this interesting. As I am having a slow day watching red-shirted picketers outside my office, I’ll just post a few thoughts.

1. FINALLY we are seeing the true Steve.

2. FINALLY the naysayers are siding back with Joe. ‘Bout time.

3. For the Gold Star Commentator Award today, I’m leaning toward Wow, but the day is not over yet.

MB

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There are new comments on the RDR website. They say the entire Lexicon will not be in the book and that Rowling and company should have waited to file suit.

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Wouldn’t the printed Lexicon be a bit like the Cliff’s Notes, except much longer, and without commentary? I agree that RDR is not looking very honest, which will ruin their case in a court of law. But not only analysis is academic. There are concordances and dictionaries. Reference works are as useful, and Steve did work hard on the Lexicon. However

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This isn’t a book. It’s data entry. It’s cut & paste JK Rowling. How can he copyright what’s not his? Such gall! The man is clearly delusional. He’s worked for years and years on this hobby and, when he petitions Jo to be his partner, he loses it all when she says NO. What was he thinking? And his publisher is now claiming it won’t be a printed version of the online version: that’s an aboutface. I say, “Go it, Jo! Don’t let them walk all over you.”

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NO STEVE, YOU CANNOT HAVE A PONY

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Daniela,

Thing is, at least from what I’ve noticed with other series (Lord of the Rings, etc…) is that the author/publisher still needs to get permission from whoever currently holds the copyright. That’s the main issue (I think) here (though I could be wrong - someone feel free to correct me). Steve asked for permission and it was denied. Even if we just want to talk integrity alone - if he respects JK so much, he should’ve respected her wishes when he was denied. Especially since (as has been mentioned several times in various comments) that in the past he’s recognized that publishing such a book without permission from JK/Warner Brothers would be illegal.

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@ RDR: Is the entire Harry Potter Lexicon websites in the book? No, the book is 412 pages and does not include everything that is on the website. Attorneys for Warner Brothers and Ms. Rowling simply sifted through the website guessed what might be in the book and then alleged that these hypothetical sections are damaging the author. This is a good example of what happens when you sue to censor a book that you haven’t read. The reason the plaintiffs did this is that they were trying to convince fans of the site that the book was in some way a violation of trade or copyright law which it is not.

ARE YOU FREAKINSERIOUS? Please tell me you actually have a licensed attorneys representing you, because you’re bloody idiots!!!

1.) You categorically refused to give a print version of the site when requested by JK/WB attorneys to do so and respond to their request by telling them: ‘If you do not know how to print that material [from the Lexicon Website] please ask one of your people to show you how.’

2.) You categorically refused to give a manuscript for review over to complainant and specifically tell them: “we don’t have a copy to give them…because the book hasn’t been published yet.” Asked why they didn’t hand over a manuscript, Mr. Harris said, “how would it benefit us in any way?

3.) You specifically state on your website: “The entire book is drawn VERBATIM from the material that presently appears on Steve Vander Ark’s website.”

4.) You reiterate to Mellisa of the Leaky: The book contains critical analysis from “Steven Vander Ark and his staff.” When asked what he meant by critical analysis Mr. Harris said, “You can go to the site and read the articles. I’m not going to itemize them for you.” [Said the same thing to JK/WB]

Now you’ve revised your site yet again with another altered version of your ‘accounting of fact’ and have the AUDACITY to say JK/WB were mistaken about the content of SVAs book because they “sifted the site” [at your insistence] and apparently jumped to conclusions which made them rashly file this ill-advised lawsuit? Because they wanted to win fans to their side in an orchestrated PR campaign designed to make you look like the bad guy?

WoW!!! It is utterly apparent that RDR is hemorrhaging stupidity!

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Wow Steve is A LOT more pathetic than I previously thought, now he’s blaming the FANS that made him do it? You have false sense of entitlement and you let greed getting to your head, that’s basically it! Stop blaming others for your own mess. You site and book has too little original and critial content, you’re nothing but a rip off. I hope you lost your case and paid for your lesson, and RDR too need to lost a great deal of money from this sheer stupidity.

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Wow Steve is A LOT more pathetic than I previously thought, now he’s blaming the FANS that made him do it? You have false sense of entitlement and you let greed getting to your head, that’s basically it! Stop blaming others for your own mess. You site and book has too little original and critical content, you’re nothing but a rip off. I hope you lost your case and paid for your lesson, and RDR too need to lost a great deal of money from this sheer stupidity.

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RDR are contradicting themselves …

First they answer to “[...] Rowling’s agents [...] can’t comment on whether the [...] Lexicon would have really overlapped with J.K. Rowling’s intended (Encyclopedia) because they haven’t seen the book and this was why they wanted to review it.>

“The 1,000 page plus Lexicon website, freely available for 7 years, makes it very clear what the print Lexicon would look like.”

[IMO, that makes it not clear at all! As they will proove themselves further down.]

Then the answers to the last three questions are just plain ridiculous.

Q: “Is the entire Harry Potter Lexicon websites in the book?” A: “No, the book [...] does not include everything that is on the website. [They] simply sifted through the website guessed what might be in the book and then alleged that these hypothetical sections are damaging the author. This is a good example of what happens when you sue to censor a book that you haven’t read.”

Really … They “guessed what might be in the book”? Why might that be? Because they could not do anything but guess! (Because they were never sent a copy.)

Then “Why didn’t the plaintiffs wait to read the book before they sued?” Hmm. Why might that be … Probably, because they never got the book? (again)

The last one: “Would it have been smart for Ms. Rowling to read the Lexicon before she sued?” This one just knocks me out. I cannot believe it. Yes, it would have been smart for RDR to give a copy to JKR + WB to be able to read it!

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This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of! How could people be defending Steve?! It’s blatant theft and greediness on his part to even think about proceeding with his book sales. His and RDR’s arguments are complete bull and they’ve talked themselves in circles with this issue and have made themselves look like greedy fools. I hope JKR and WB sue them for every cent they can and put that money into the hands of those who really need and deserve it (the charities).

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Wow. That was a really pathetic excuse. Sorry Steve. 100% Jo and always will be.

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Oh Dear. If ever you want an example of how to dig your own coffin, then look no further then Steve Vander Ark and RDR statements.

It becoming quite clear to me that Steve is simply ignorant of what he can or cannot do and worse, he seems too stubborn to correct his ways. He is digging himself a rot.

But I just hope that Steve can pull himself up and see the flaws in what he is doing. Disassociating himself from RDR books will be a good start as they come across as unprofessional, idiotic and pathetic. how can they possibly expect to be taken seriously.

Steve, please, the fans like you as much as Rowling but you are making foolish statements that is driving them away!

Melissa is doing a fantastic unbiased job of reporting this issue and I feel sorry for Leaky being caught in the middle of conflicting loyalty towards Jo and Steve.

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So not only is Steve severing the once friendly ties he had with JK Rowling, but he’s now turning his own fan base against him, too. It really doesn’t get much stupider than that….

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yeah first the “doing it for the children from third world (you know, $25 for an illegal guidebook to a series they can’t afford to begin with instead of buying a year worth of food)”

then comes the “Hiroshima” comparison

now the “I’m doing all this cuz fans asked me to”

Some people still don’t get it do they…

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What’s going to happen if the book is fully legit. when it finally appears? Will SVA and RDR be able to sue for damages to their reputations?

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Don’t know how this will turn out, but the statements from RDR and SVA cannot be helping their side. In my opinion, their claims are seriously hurting their case. But the courts will decide.

Makes me sad that all the joy of these past years has turned into this.

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I’m beginning to wonder why this web site continues to acknowledge a partnership with the HP Lexicon. An unsavory feeling is swelling.

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1. I placed an order for the U.K. edition of the HP LEXICON; when the order was confirmed, the ship date was January 4, 2008. So, no, it’s NOT shipping today or tomorrow.

2. On the HP Lexicon website, comments were enabled; by late today, the comments feature was disabled—the only topic so treated. Clearly, Steve didn’t expect the outpouring of negative comments that are consistent with those posted on Leaky and Mugglenet.com. I guess he felt people who went to HP Lexicon wouldn’t post anything negative, but he was wrong: There’s a lot of unhappy people who are siding with Jo on this one.

3. RDR Books has refused to provide a copy of the manuscript for review to Jo or WB lawyers, but on the RDR Books website, it’s criticizing Jo and WB lawyers for jumping the gun and suing before they even saw the book. RDR Books can’t have it both ways: The publisher cannot withhold the book and then express surprise when Jo sues him based on the only available information—i.e., RDR’s comments that the lawyers, if they wanted to know what’s in the book, should just print out what’s online.

As the Lexicon website is an estimated 1000 pages and the book is 400 pages, obviously there’s material that’s on the site that won’t be in the books. But until RDR Books provides a copy prior to press to someone, even the media, we really don’t know exactly what’s in the book.

The U.K. cover and U.S. cover to the book makes it appear that the book is authorized by Rowling, since it does not have a disclaimer of any kind, which is the first thing that publishers do when they issue this kind of book. Its omission strongly suggests to readers that the book is authorized. Point in fact: Rowling allowed the website but is disallowing the book, so it’s an unauthorized publication.

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Not only were the comments ont he Lexicon disabled, but about 60 comments that were the most negative were DELETED.

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Well, if Steve’s selectively deleting comments he disagrees with, he may as may simply delete all the entries and be done with it.

None of this inspires confidence in how Steve is handling the matter on his own website.

The next thing you know, somebody’s going to start a separate website or blog called “The HP Dyslexicon” or “The HP DISS-lexicon” and really attack the website, so the opposition has an uncensored voice.

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Whoa. The HP Dyslexicon. that must get some sort of wordplay award.

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After Steve’s statement, I am starting to feel that this has nothing to do with publishing the Lexicon. The Lexicon will definantly lose this case. However Steve will use it, as he would have used the book,to say he has rights to alot of things JKR puts in her HP encyclopedia.

Steve’s intention from the start was too get the lexicon published first and then sue JKR if she did not allow him collaboration in her intended HP encyclopedia.

I am a full on conspiracy buff so that is just my opinion.

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Ah, remember the good old days when there was an actual fan community? Both sides have gone overkill on this, especially the JKR defenders and the Lexicon defenders as well.

We might as well set up the mock burial for what was the Harry Potter phenomenon as well as the fandom. Best of luck folks, the fan aspect of this just isn’t any fun anymore, I’d rather move on. All of you have a good life.

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You know, how many of you actually run a web site? You are aware there’s a cost for the domain name as well as a cost for the host? Right. I can’t say I blame people for being tempted to include advertising on their sites to cover the yearly cost. I’m sorry for being so tactless, but what a bunch hypocrits to expect fans to run fan sites completely free, and never cover any of their overhead. Really the attacks on Steve on the comments section of the Lexicon have really left me feeling ashamed as a fan. I’ve noticed Steve has never run advertising on his site, but none of that matters. I don’t mean to be rude, but some people are such spoiled, entitled brats as far as the ‘fan community’ is concerned. Stop personalizing what is a legal dispute.

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Has anyone seen the latest updates to this news entry?

http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2007/11/5/harry-potter-lexicon-responds-to-suit

” Update 2: TLC has received word via a reliable source that the initial email to Steve Vander Ark and RDR Books was phrased as an attempt to appeal to the Lexicon’s status as a site favored by J.K. Rowling. It also, according to the source, clearly named Warner Bros. as at stake and called Vander Ark a friend of the series and someone publishers/lawyers/agents were sure did not want to disrupt Rowling’s rights. RDR has called the email “threatening and abusive” and claimed that Warner Bros. only claimed rights after RDR sent them a letter regarding the timeline on the Harry Potter DVDs. “

RDR and Steve Vander Ark have truly dug themselves into a hole. The WB and JKR handed them an out and they slapped it away. Shame.

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The one who’s feeling entitled is Steve for thinking he could publish the Lexicon for profit and not get sued.

Websites cost money, sure. But there’s a world of difference between putting a bunch of ads on your site to offset hosting costs and publishing an unauthorized encyclopedia when even the author whose work that encyclopedia is based on tells you no, you can’t publish that. If he was a real fan, he’d have backed off out of respect for Jo’s wishes.

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matt, a domain name costs less than three cups of starbucks coffee, and steve DOES have a google ad on his site. A site which, so largely made of text, would cost peanuts to run. Claiming selling thousands of books is an attempt to recoup costs of his site are ridiculous.

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You do realize, Leaky, that WB has tradmarked the phrase “Leaky Cauldron.” If you all showed any independence, what do you think would happen to the Leaky Cauldron? You must continue to make Sauron, I’m sorry, Warner Brothers happy. Right?

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The Leaky staff have been exceedingly fair in all of this. Criticizing them is just wrong. I’m applauding them for staying neutral right now. They’re in a terribly awkward position.

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I completely agree, Minnie. Bravo to Melissa, the mods on the forums, and the rest of the Leaky staff!

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RDR Books says the Lexicon had about 25 million hits last year. What’s that likely to translate to in ad revenue? $$$$$. Surely enough to cover the website’s operating expenses and then some. Enough for SVA to quit his day job and go pro.

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First this and now the writer’s strike is taking full storm…

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It is great to finally hear from Steve on this matter. However, I still think he handled it poorly by going to a publisher because of the desire of a small group of fans before contacting jk rowling’s camp, warner brother, or the harry potter publishers. that was a lapse on his part.

RDR however still is being shown for what it is. I would love to get a copy of the letter that RDR says is so abusive. it should be noted when cease and desist letters, even in email are sent, they are verified by a legal office before being sent out and I doubt the letter in question was abusive like RDR is saying.

RDR has said alot of contradictory things, and the reason they have not posted this suposed abusive letter is that it likely does not exist. they are likely making perjurish claims to gain public support.

I love how RDR is acting like they have a legal claim to harry potter. most all of there books are written by the same person and are collections of storys or love letters to celebrities. these are the kinds of books that a serious publishing house would not publish, and thats why people form their own houses. having gone to a bookstore to persue a few of the company’s books, they are worse then fanfiction. poorly written, poorly edited, and spent most time rambling.

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@ Matt: I’m sorry for being so tactless, but what a bunch hypocrits to expect fans to run fan sites completely free, and never cover any of their overhead.

Um, how many people around the world who VOLUNTEER their own time and money to fund/operate old fashioned snail-mail fanclubs are entitled to turn around and knowingly sell merchandise that violates the copyrights of those they claim to support and love? Answer: NONE!

Bottom line, no one asked Steve to spend his own time and money, use his vast knowledge of organizing facts/figures to make Lexicon the site that it is—-which is a fantastic on-line resource. He volunteered.

People who work for fan forums/sites [i.e. Staff, administrators, moderators] freely volunteer their time/efforts. I do. Few, if any, get paid for what they do, nor are they entitled to violate copyright law to earn a buck off the back of the very people they supposedly support.

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Remember, remember the Fifth of November, The Gunpowder Treason and Plot, I know of no reason Why Gunpowder Treason Should ever be forgot.

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I will say it again – the way that Leaky has framed this dispute clearly shows that they are siding with WB (and they must or they will be next). The phrase “The Leaky Cauldron” is trademarked by Warner Brothers. As long as Leaky tows the line and doesn’t act independently of WB’s wishes, than Leaky will be left alone – that and the fact that the intellectual property issues are not yet applying to the internet (but they will, now that commerce is big bucks on the internet).

I’m not sure how old all of you who are posting here are, but it might behoove you if you care about independent fandom to go to lawschool and get ready.

Warner Brothers is a huge corporation and Jo Rowling has been sucked into the vortex. I am now starting to think that her satire of the Ministry of Magic was not so much about British government as it is about the corporations that are now running her.

Remember, Steve is being sued by a mega corporation. He’s the little guy, the house elf. You decide which side you want to side on, or if you are falling victim to the Imperious Curse.

Remember – all the words and phrases that are unique to JK Rowlings world are trademarked. At some point, no one will be able to write critical commentary on the work because the words themselves are trademarked.

WB has unlimited resources to manipulate how Harry Potter is “marketed” to the world. So-called literary criticism is just a marketing ploy – it’s not real literary criticism.

Be watchful and don’t be fooled. And watch your use of trademarks. We’re protected right now on the internet – but the day is coming, friends – just you wait. Be very critical of everything WB says.

Steve is the fan. He’s one of us. Bet he knows what it feels like to be Harry Potter right now.

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update on RDR website:

What Is Your Reaction to the Warner Brothers/J.K. Rowling Complaint? Virtually all of the information available to the public comes from the complaint prepared by the plaintiffs’ lawyers and is therefore biased by its very nature. Legal pleadings are not evidence and no proof has been offered of any allegation set forth in the complaint. The complaint is rife with factual fabrications and misstatements of law. The plaintiff’s statements are clearly designed to confuse readers about the legal elements of copyright and trademark infringement. Given the opportunity, the plaintiffs attorneys will continue to do so. Once the summons and complaint are served on the defendant, his attorneys have 3 weeks to file their answer with the court, and all of these matters will be addressed on the record.

What is Your Response To The Negative Statements about RDR Books and the Lexicon? One function of a civil complaint is to insulate plaintiffs’ representatives from libel actions arising out of negative media campaigns. Any statements set forth in a lawsuit complaint, no matter how false or outrageous, can be published in the news media without risk of liability for defamation because they are contained in a public record. In this case, press releases were widely disseminated and stories were being distributed for publication in more than 600 newspapers around the world before anybody at The Harry Potter Lexicon or RDR Books even knew the complaint had been filed. Many of these organizations were fed the story late in their deadline cycle and very few had time to contact the defendants for a response to a story dominated by fabrications and misstatements of the law. For example nowhere in the complaint or press release did the plaintiffs acknowledge for seven years they have actively supported Mr. Vander Ark’s Lexicon with “fan site” awards and endorsements from J.K. Rowling. There was no mention that the Lexicon was and is a favored source of factual information for Ms. Rowling, her editors, film producers, agents and DVD creators. In fact the lawsuit makes no effort to shut down the Lexicon which reaches over 25 million visitors annually, far more than will ever read a smaller book version of the site. This is simply the culmination of a lengthy pattern of intimidation and harassment directed at them by one of the world’s largest law firms.

A recently published article says Rowling’s agents, the Christopher Little Agency, can’t comment on whether the Harry Potter Lexicon “would have really overlapped with J.K. Rowling’s intended (Encyclopedia) because they haven’t seen the book and this was why they wanted to review it.” What is your reaction? The 1,000 page plus Lexicon website, freely available for 7 years, makes it very clear what the print Lexicon would look like. Everything has been out in the open for years. Since Ms. Rowling has not started writing her new book it is clear that the plaintiffs are unclear whether it might interfere with her proposed book. Ms. Rowling is famous for rewriting. The first chapter of her first book was, according to the Lexicon, written ten different ways. Even if there was a partial draft available it would still be hard to know how the books compare. > It is clear that the Lexicon or any other book could never possibly compete with Ms. Rowling’s book because she is already on record > on her website saying that her encyclopedia “will include all the material that never made it into the novels. ” Her recent announcement that Dumbledore is gay is one small case in point. Obviously when other new information about her characters appears in her Encyclopedia this will be a must have book for millions of Potter fans everywhere. No other book could possibly compete with this title or dent its sales. Also, by the time her book comes out, the Harry Potter Lexicon will be history. Anyone who buys the Lexicon will automatically want to buy her book.

Is A Settlement in the Public Interest? Certainly. Publisher Roger Rapoport and author Steve Vander Ark, both of them honest and decent men with many years’ experience in the world of books, have consistently made every effort to arrive at a win-win solution in this matter. The trouble is, virtually all of the information available to the public comes from the complaint prepared by the plaintiffs’ lawyers and is therefore biased by its very nature. Once the summons and complaint are served on the defendant, his attorneys will have three weeks to file their answer with the court, and all of these matters will be addressed on the record.

RDR Books is on record in favor of a win/win settlement that benefits all parties, especially the millions of fans of the books and the Lexicon. Even though RDR’s efforts to reach a constructive settlement with Warner Bros. executives have been met with a baseless lawsuit, the publisher continues to work toward a positive settlement. Failing that, RDR Books fervently wishes to try the facts of this case and the applicable law in the appropriate federal court venue, not in the court of public opinion. Based on the opinions of the several publishing attorneys Mr. Rapoport and Mr. Vander Ark consulted before undertaking any plans or arrangements to create a print media version of The Harry Potter Lexicon, the controlling copyright and trademark legal precedent is quite clear. There is no doubt that they are within their rights in publishing this work just like 46 other publishers who have published similar works of Potter criticism and analysis not being sued by Warner Bros. or Ms. Rowling. We ask that the public – and particularly fans of J.K. Rowling and the Harry Potter novels – withhold judgment until all the facts are in evidence and a court judge has ruled on the legal issues.

Is the entire Harry Potter Lexicon websites in the book? No, the book is 412 pages and does not include everything that is on the website. Attorneys for Warner Brothers and Ms. Rowling simply sifted through the website guessed what might be in the book and then alleged that these hypothetical sections are damaging the author. This is a good example of what happens when you sue to censor a book that you haven’t read. The reason the plaintiffs did this is that they were trying to convince fans of the site that the book was in some way a violation of trade or copyright law which it is not.

Why didn’t the plaintiffs wait to read the book before they sued? Possibly because they knew that they couldn’t win an injunction in court and that their best shot was to generate unfavorable publicity for the publishers and everyone associated with the book. The suit, filed on Halloween, was also designed to frighten the publishers and the authors.

Would it have been smart for Ms. Rowling to read the Lexicon before she sued? Yes. Every law school professor will tell you that the last thing you want to do is to allege illegal action only to find out later that your complaint was not valid. Judges do not like this and it hurts your credibility on the witness stand.

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Steve’s arguments are made of legal Fail (as so many have pointed out). No matter how you slice it, this is not his material. It might be a clever legal argument, but not clever enough to decide a case in his favor. I’m glad everyone seems to be waking up to this; I was worried there for a moment. I know they have some right to order on their own website, but it does rankle with me a bit that the Lexicon disabled their comments on this announcement.

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It just all seems silly to me.

Really, why buy the book when we can go to the site?

Perhaps I may buy the book if I had not read the essays already…(which I have)

Perhaps I’d buy the book if I hadn’t seen the interviews..(which I have)

I don’t understant what the stink is about…

I really don’t want to buy jkr’s upcoming encyclopedia…but I will anyway because it’s for charity.. and the last time I bought her books it actually saved me $20K in taxes..

Steve’s book..no tax deduction LOL..

I think let steve at it…the charities will make more… Steve will never be able to give us the details that JKR will…and lets face it at this point in time…we want JKR details, Steve’s details not so much…but I’ll buy his book for the help the site has given me over the years…just like I’ll buy JKR’s book for the details and the tax break… but seeing as I paid so little for JKR’s “proceeds to charity books” and was given such a great tax credit(granted it put our charitible contributions over the edge).. I’m still in a conundrum over this one.

I don’t think Steve’s book will take away anything JKR wants to publish..

And lets face it when looking at the bookshelves of our local book store…..given the choie…jkr or Steve most of us would chose JKR first including Steve!

I also remember having to wait years to purchase FB and the other charity book…because it was not available..which was how I was roped in to buying other “reference books” while waiting for another book to hit the shelves..Why should all the other numerous books benefit from this yet not Steve’s?

And out of all the sites out there….the Lexicon always gave me the least amount I wanted when I was dying for the next book (even though it was released weeks before)...

Sad really I get the feeling that it’s not about choosing sides as it is WB/JKR camps are upset that they didn’t preview prior to marketing.(and given what happened with the entire OJ thing…I think RDR and Steve have a good chance of being successful)..legally speaking anyway..as long as no massive civil suits are against RDR..

Which can be really bad….if they win…then they can change the name etc… and market as the book JKR banned…not a good thing IMHO..if JKR sanctions the banning of a book how will that play out in the u.s. where so many are trying to ban the HP series?

They should have just let sleeping dogs lie….and Steve…well, he should have had the publishers to contribute a percentage of their profits to some charity that he would match (even if it was 5%)..Which is still an injustice as those that published beforehand got to keep all theirs..

I just do not see JKR or WB winning this suit legally…they may influence fans…but I just do not see them winning said suit in the u.s.

They simply cannot use a site well…I’ll just leave off here..let me just say..at this point..it’s about the LAW.. Dee

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And the lexicon anonies out in force! Hurrah!

WB/JKR cite legal precedent and interestingly, RDR has yet to do the same, while claiming everything else under the sun. Has it simply not occurred to them to do so, when they’ve gone so far to compare the WB statement to nagasaki and hiroshima? Surely thye’ve thought of everything, so citing precedent would be high on their lawyers’ lists. And yet no. Interesting.

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I just can’t believe someone has compared Steve to a House Elf and Harry Potter.

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“FanFiction.Net respects the expressed wishes of the following authors/publishers and will not archive entries based on their work:

P.N. Elrod Raymond Feist Terry Goodkind Laurell K. Hamilton Robin Hobb Dennis L. McKiernan Robin McKinley Irene Radford Anne Rice Nora Roberts/J.D. Robb Archie comics”

This represents all the authors/publishers that ask people to not even write fan fiction about their works. If this list is any indication (notice the hugely well selling Nora Roberts, a millionare herself) than there is plenty of precendence of fans being restricted. SVA sounds like a real schmuck for trying to pull this off. It’s in poor taste and completely illegal. The more that comes out of the SVA/RDR camp, the more sure I am that they knew exactly what was coming. It sounds like they’re trying to ram the book through so they can make as much money as possible before it’s fully blocked.

This so perfectly reminds me of Rita Skeeter. SVA wanting to be first one off the block now that the series is over. It’s such a sadly apt image of life reflecting art.

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i’m sorry but you can not use authors banning fandom activities for any bases of argument nor can we praise JKR for being so “generous” to us. the internet doesn’t work that way, the fandom is ours, not hers. i’ve been in fandoms that ban fanfiction, in fandoms that have corprat sweeps going through sending cease and disist letters to sites using trademark icons and you know what, it’s the interenet! we get around it, we rule here and for every fanfiction site that bans something there’s atleast 5 locked LJ communities doing it anyways.

i also don’t see why people all of a sudden think that no one would buy a published lexicon. if jkr approved of the book, anyone with any interest in hp companion books would buy it, even some that have none… why? because it’s fandom memorabilia. it’s something we made to commemorate what we did for her, what we have achieved through what she gave us. the lexicon has always been a flagship beacon for the HP fandom, its iconic to anyone in the fandom. that means something. i garentee you, this book would have been a seller.

do i think JKR has a point, most certainly. much of the text is directly from her books, i also believe RDR have been acting idiotically through this whole ordeal. but i would’ve liked my own copy of the lexicon and it bugs me that JKR is denying it with the statement that it would hurt charity. we all know this isn’t true and i don’t appreciat statments that assume the person reading is an idiot. this has been done on both sides and because of that i’ve lost respect for both Steve and Jo.

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Who’s saying she’s being generous for letting us fly our colors in the open? I was stating a fact to make a point and then expressing my opinion of a schister. Simply put, SVA and RDR are breaking the law. I kinda have problems with that.

I’d also like to point out that it wasn’t JKR, WB, or their affiliates who suggested that any charity would be hurt with the release of a Lexicon book. It was fans, here on the boards. Seperate the two, won’t you?

I personally have never used the Lexicon. I prefer to read the books, listen to the books on CD, and repeat to formulate my own ideas and thoughts. All this has really done in my case is to ensure that I will never go to the lexicon site.

And please do notice my lack of JKR worship. I don’t think she’s worthy of worship. I don’t even think she’s that great of a writer. I think she’s a wonderful story teller who can weave plot lines like a Native American blanket, but she’s not a great writer.

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Ah, here we go. Vander Ark’s Army is now out in force, playing the martyr card for Steve, as if he’s some poor ickle firstie who’s being bullied.

Bottom line: if he was a true fan, he’d have backed off when Jo told him no, and he would have respected her wishes. That he’s getting sued at all now is his own damned fault. He brought it on himself.

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@ Green Door: Remember, Steve is being sued by a mega corporation. He’s the little guy, the house elf. You decide which side you want to side on, or if you are falling victim to the Imperious Curse.

Gee! Perhaps poor, ickle house-elf Steviekins shouldn’t have poached someone else’s work, re-organized it, called it his own creation, and tried to sell it for a profit. You think? Had he not done so, none of this would be happening right now. This isn’t David [RDR] and Goliath [WB]. It’s not Robin Hood ‘taking from the rich and giving to the poor’ either, as RDR would have some believe.

Copyright is copyright. Jo, her publishers, and WB/Time Warner own the rights to Harry Potter. They have the legal right to distribute HP, to say what format it’s legally distributed into, and to choose who to license so as to legally distribute HP on their behalf.

Steve doesn’t have copyright to Harry Potter. Notwithstanding the original essays that have been submitted by fans [who have not been contacted about having their copyrighted material used for the book] there is not 412 pages of original content/material. What IS on the site is a re-ordered list of known facts to the fictional Potterverse: books 1-7, 2 companion books, the Black genealogy that was auctioned for charity, Jo’s website, interviews/web chats. Simple reorganization of copyrighted material, without authentic/original contextual analysis, does not constitute ‘fair use’ of copyrighted material.

For this to be a scholarly work, for it to qualify as ‘fair use’ of copyrighted material in a ‘derivative’ work, it must contain a SUBSTANTIAL amount of original content and ensure that it uses the barest minimum of copyrighted material. Can you honestly state that between 75-90% of the Lexicon’s content is original thoughts, character analysis, essays derived solely of Steve and his staff? Fact is that 75-90% of the content is derived from Jo’s work, re-structured and copied ‘verbatim’.

plagiarism: The unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one’s own original work.

NOTE: Infringement of a trademark, trade name, or trade dress involves use of one by the infringer that is the same as that of the owner or so similar that it is likely to deceive or to cause confusion or mistake on the part of the average purchaser. Infringement of a copyright involves the copying of a material and substantial portion of the protected work.

As for Melissa and the Leaky staff, they’ve remained neutral and stated no public opinion. I think it says much of their integrity that they’re not exploiting Steve, RDR, WB, or Jo. Rather they’re being utterly professional and presenting the facts as they become aware of them, just as they do with the other stories they report on.

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Green Door, wow, you should win an oscar for that lovely piece of over-dramatic drivel.

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Wind Lane it’s still on the first page of leaky where she says it’s the charities that lose. i don’t like being blatently lied to, there is no point in her being modest. everyone knows that anything she writes will be bought by the same people who buy companion books. if she’s sueing to protect her copywrite, fine… just don’t surgarcoat it to make it look like she’s taking the humanitarian high ground. its just as bad as RDR saying their book will be more accessible to those who can’t afford the real HP novels.

you are not the first person to point out the fanfiction idea the the fact that JKR has “allowed” us our fandom. i resent anyone who makes it out as if she has the right to stop online activity. its a seperate issue from publishing completely. you just happened to be the comment that finally set me off on it. freedom of voice and creativity online is a very big issue for me and i do not believe authors have the right to censor online activities pertaining to their creations.

i also have not sided with the lexicon in any of my arguments, simply tried to point out where other posters have been hypocritical. if any of you want to be 100% behind Jo, that’s your perogitive. personally i prefer to remain critical of both sides.

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Actually, she has every right to stop the online activity that she doesn’t want there. Regardless of your wants and desires, it’s her intellectual property. Did you know that it’s technically illegal to perform someone else’s songs at a concert without paying them royalties? The reason no one ever persues the issue is because it doesn’t hurt the band that wrote the music to have more people hear their music, even through someone else. However, if a band advertises themselves as performing certain artists music, some people feel slighted by this and take legal action. Fan fiction operates in much the same fashion except that some people have declared that they don’t want anyone but them writing for their characters. I have no problem whatsoever with the creator of an artistic medium saying who can use their property and who can’t no matter where they do it.

Just because the internet is highly billed as a place where copyright, trademark, and patent laws don’t really exist doesn’t make it true. What you’re talking about is wanting a place where you can do whatever you little heart desires without the repercussion of law. I just don’t see eye to eye with you there.

It’s not seperate from publishing, it’s just a new medium. We’ve gone from spoken word, to written word, to digitized word. In the end, these particular collections of words belong to someone.

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“i resent anyone who makes it out as if she has the right to stop online activity. “

Actually, she just might have that right. Legally it’s not a clear cut case, but in other instances when other authors decided to forbid it it went off the net rather than fight (possibly, probably losing court battles).

Yet, even despite the awful thing Steve did to her, even the big bad WB said they are not going after the FF or other non-profit fanish sites. If they did, you couldn’t find a server to host you, no matter how hard you whined and screamed.

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livejournal has thriving banned fanfiction communities… they’re just not as easy to find. they could make archiving difficult but they can’t stop the bloggers

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You know, one last statement to make about this issue. Mark my words, unless anyone cannot see this happening. In less then 10 years, the corporate powers at WB, might shut down all fan HP sites, unless those fan sites are sponsored by WB and the public will have to pay a fee to visit the site, and not just some forum that requires registration. Ironic, isn’t it, the people complaining that they don’t want to pay for a book they can get on-line, might end up having to do so to visit their favorite site in the future. I don’t trust that the corporate lawyers have anyone’s interest at heart.

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@ Matt: Mark my words, unless anyone cannot see this happening. In less then 10 years, the corporate powers at WB, might shut down all fan HP sites, unless those fan sites are sponsored by WB and the public will have to pay a fee to visit the site, and not just some forum that requires registration.

IF, for some obscure reason, Jo/WB lose this lawsuit, it WILL have massive repercussions for all the Potter fan sites/forums; and not 10 years from now, either.

WB will have no choice but to ‘cease and desist’ to shut them all down before they too, think to do as SVA/RDR and turn a profit off of JK/WBs copyrighted materials.

Once that happens, I’m willing to bet that everyone else will jump on that particular legal band wagon to protect their property rights when they appear in digitized format on the web.

This case has the power to fundamentally alter the internet no matter which way you slice it.

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Can people who obviously have no legal background stop making ridiculous pronouncements? Go to law school and find out what you’re rights really are, not what you think they should be.

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Even though the “David vs. Goliath” or “Robin Hood vs. BIG EVIL WB” arguments might appear highly appealing from an emotional point of view, they are completely irrelevant as long as their proponents have no substantial proof to support their conspiracy theories. The mere fact that you are small while your opponent is big does not necessarily mean than you are right. Despite all the fairy tales presenting the opposite case.

We DO NOT have the data needed to come to a fair judgement here – we only have access to the basic legal criteria that might apply. And we watch smoke signals from a shielded battlefield. Let’s keep calm and objective until we know more.

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A PS: If you are interesting in contacting someone who has had experiences with legal difficulties regarding both the online and the printed version of his Harry Potter, go and ask Rudi Hein – http://www.rudihein.de/hpewords.htm

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A more professional publisher would have cleared this up a year ago.

RDR is not doing itself or Steve or The Lexicon any favors.

Amateurs.

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“Jo has quit; she is done… the fans are taking over now!” Steve Vander Ark, Prophecy 2007. Watch him on YouTube.

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siyrean, making secret accounts and posting with a select few in a surreptitious corner of LJ will, I think, not be the same.

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I just check on Lexion. All the Pensieve coments were taking off the webside under title, Steve’s “about the upcoming book”

I guess he did like to read them anymore.

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@Britannia: I said that before, this was just entertaining the crowd and you can see that from the reaction of the people there and the comments from a month ago. Of course the fandom stays alive through the fans: fanfics, fanat, podcasts, wrock, conventions… We all know that. I dont know him but I doubt he meant: “I’ll take over writing HP books,now Jo’s done.” Jo’s right in protecting her work, but this video is out of context! In essence he is right and every single fan would agree,if it wasnt for the lawsuit(just have a look at the comments from a month ago). Publishing the Lexicon is wrong and could get the fandom into a lot of trouble. And I’m definately worried about that. He took it too far, but this has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

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“livejournal has thriving banned fanfiction communities… they’re just not as easy to find. they could make archiving difficult but they can’t stop the bloggers”

I’ll take your word for it, since I never checked. But you can bet they’ll go down as soon as someone interested notices them and sends a C&D letter. Look at youtube for example – there’s always tons of licenced material there (TV series, anime and such) and some remain (from the owners/authors that are not that interested in keeping them down) and some are gone very very soon and the people that put them up banned. It doesn’t keep people from trying ower and ower, but you must admit it’s much more difficult for a fan of the “banned” work than it is for a fan of work of a very permissive author like JKR.

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Okay, I’m only a law school drop out but…it’s a little disturbing to see how many fans agree that SVA is wrong and counter with “but I want a print Lexicon” WAAAHHHH! Really, this defense (taken to absurdity) could work for so many. “I knew selling drugs was wrong but the addicts wanted them, your Honor.” “I knew killing was wrong but someone wanted him dead.” The list goes on. The entire theory behind the law-being-blind metaphor is that the law applies evenly, to everyone, all the time. Copyright law applies to fans promoting their “homage” as well as hack writers trying to rip-off someone else’s work. WB is not wrong simply because it’s a huge, powerful company. JKR is not wrong because she’s rich.

Siyrean, notice you point out that the LJ fans are in hiding while they violate copyright laws. In. Hiding. Several of the listed authors do vigorously protect their work. Usually, a cease and desist letter is all that it takes. Relevant would be the old Napster lawsuits where teenagers found themselves losing cases and having hundreds of thousands in fees and fines to pay. All because they ignored copyright laws.

You have no rights – the authors own their creations and they would have huge sales and popularity without your fan groups. I apologize because I’m sure this sounds demaning and belittling but you are not as important to these authors as you think. Too many fan communites over-aggrandize their own role in these situations.

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I think I’m going to start doing some maintenance work around Trump Towers, of my own accord… just volunteer here and there for a bit, until someone finally notices and pays me a few compliments. After I get my ego boosted, I’m going to present to Mr. Trump and ask him if he’d mind me taking over a few rooms so I can rent them out and make some money for myself, given how much work I’ve put into the place, redesigning here and there, making the place easier for people to access and whatnot. Mind you, if he does say no, I think I’ll just take over a few rooms and do what I want with them regardless. Despite the fact he or no representative of Trump Towers asked me to keep working on the place, I still feel I’m owed something, so I’m moving in to reap my rewards. Besides, he’s rich, so how dare he have issues with me taking over a piece of his property, after all I’ve done. The nerve! Any fool can see that I’m right, right? So tell me… if I were to do this, how many people here feel I should: a) get slapped with a civil suit for trying to make a profit from trying to impose my rights on someone else’s property (without their permission); b) get slapped with a criminal offence for outright thievery; or, c) a combination of a) and b) My guess is no one would be able to see that I was right in what I was doing. How is it then, that some have issue with JKR and WB trying to protect what is legally their property? How can anyone throw a switch in their brain and think that taking/using and profitting from intellectual property is any different than taking/using and profitting from physical property? It doesn’t matter how much work SVA has put into his Lexicon. It does not give him the right to profit from property that is not his. If either JKR or WB opted to sell him certain rights to the property, it would be a different matter, but they opted to not do that. Someone earlier mentioned they were tired of all the SVA bashing. Well, I’m tired of all the JKR and WB bashing. They are perfectly within their rights to protect what is theirs. Fans don’t own rights to her creation, unless she, somewhere along the way, decides to sell certain rights. HP is hers and to a certain extent WB’s, until the copyright on the product expires, or unless she chooses to relinquish or sell those rights, whichever comes first.

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they deleted ALL THE COMMENTS NOW on the Lexicon!!!?

What cowards!

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Wow, I know I sasw the post count above 180. Then it was frozen in the 140s. Now it’s gone forever. Jeez. Bad form. Bad form.

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Dan-

You just put everything I’ve been feeling about this into words.

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You people are too much! The Lexicon was great for JKR when it was helping build her fan base, but now it’s no good? Please – who here would skip buying her encycopedia if they had a hard copy of the Lexicon – well, except me, she’s not getting another dime of my money. WB didn’t mind the Lexicon when they stole the timelines word for word, but now it’s no good.

JKR is pathetic. This blind loyalty is beyond belief.

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It’s not like she commissioned the Lexicon to help her build her fan base. JKR didn’t mind when Lexicon stole her stuff word for word, but now they TRY TO PROFIT FROM IT and it’s no good. That’s it.

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Eve123: It’s not about blind loyalty to JKR. It’s about an honest assessment of the facts. From what I’ve read on copyright law, and from what actual lawyers have stated, it is not legal for an actual “lexicon” to be published; regardless of what SVA has done to compile this information, he was not the creator of the HP world. I’d also like to know how the online Lexicon helped build the HP fanbase. I’ve read statements by SVA himself that cite JKR’s fansite award giving the Lexicon extra press and enlarging the site’s fanbase. It’s also interesting that some people who side with SVA and say that people who support Jo, copyright laws, or who are disappointed in SVA’s actions are supporting them with “blind loyalty.” What, may I ask, are your reasons for supporting SVA? How is THAT not blind loyalty? I honestly don’t think supporting SVA falls into that category. I’d hope not, anyway! Let’s support our sweeping statements with facts and logic, shall we?

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Eve123 “The Lexicon was great for JKR when it was helping build her fan base, but now it’s no good”

You really think the Lexicon was all that important in helping build her fan base? In all honesty, I never even heard of the Lexicon until after I’d read the first four books. I know Harry Potter fans that have never even heard of the Lexicon. I think you’re giving the site too much credit.

Also, most of us are not sayint that the Lexicon is ‘no good’, only that it’s wrong of Steve and RDR publishing to take a service that is freely accesible to everyone online, repackage it in print form and charge money for it WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM JK ROWLING (aplogize for yelling, but it’s a point that you think people would’ve gotten by now, but clearly they haven’t).

JK has no problem with online content, compared to other authors, she’s been very good to fans in what she allows to remain online. It’s printing it out, making money off of it, without having permission from the copyright holders that she’s having issue with and it is illegal! Steve knows this, given the disclaimers on his site, emails he’s sent out in the past, he knows this and still he went ahead with this. I like the Lexicon site, but he is in the wrong here.

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I’m really glad Steve made a statement. I was feeling so upset about this whole thing, and I couldn’t believe Steve would actually refuse a request from JKR herself to cease publication. So I’m really relieved to see his statement and I really hope it can all be resolved happily. I feel bad for Steve, and I hope this doesn’t ruin his enjoyment of the online Lexicon or the Potter books in general. Thanks, Leaky, for reporting all of this in such a professional manner!

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Dan, you are full of Awesomeness!

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Oh, and another thing, I’ll be interested to see if Warner Bros continues to give the Leaky hi-re pictures and exclusives like they used to now that so many comments have insulted them. How quickly some people forget that in the hands of another movie studio, Harry Potter films might not have turned out as well as they have.

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Oh, and another thing, I’ll be interested to see if Warner Bros continues to give the Leaky hi-re pictures and exclusives like they used to now that so many comments have insulted them. How quickly some people forget that in the hands of another movie studio, Harry Potter films might not have turned out as well as they have.

Posted by MD on November 06, 2007 @ 02:51 PM

Other then Poa, the hp movies suck. And that is credit to alfonzo.

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Not wrote: Other then Poa, the hp movies suck. And that is credit to alfonzo.

And who hired Alfonzo? That would be Warner Bros. Now, I won’t debate you on the merits of the movies, however, the fact that the Harry Potter francise is the largest and most successful francise in film history speaks for itself.

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Sorry, I haven’t read all 238 comments. Here’s my 2 cents:

Before all this began, I considered buying the Lexicon book (it was on Amazon for pre-orders). Jo hadn’t really committed herself to writing an encyclopeadia then, and if she would write it, it would take a long time, before it was published. Buying this Lexicon book would not have stopped me from buying Jo’s encyclopeadia, both in English and in Dutch (if it’s ever translated).

I suppose there is only one thing for Steve and the publisher to do, if they want to go ahead with this: give the proceeds to charity as well. Maybe then it will be acceptable for Jo.

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I find the removal of the comments ‘swirling in the Pensieve’ highly suspicious, and am choosing to be amused with poor, ickle house-elf Steviekins comment: NOTE: I know that many people (waves to the Fandom Wank crowd) are seeing conspiracy here with the comments gone, but to be frank, it’s nothing sinister. Well, unless you find lawyers sinister.

Gee, thanks Steviekins, for telling us how you REALLY feel about us. Consider me an official member of the ‘JK Fandom Wank crowd!’ I’d rather be a ‘Fandom Wank’ than an ‘Unscrupulous, Plagiarizing Creeps crowd’ any day.

You and your publisher accuse JK/WB of censorship yet you have blanket censored every post that appeared in that comment section!

Could it possibly be because your attorneys wanted to stop people from seeing this itty, bitty link http://www.qforquack.com/2007/11/01/the-harry-potter-lexicon/#comments

which had been posted in that section? Hmmmm? What, they didn’t want people to read for themselves that Steve Vander Ark tried to convince another fan that writing a Harry Potter Encylcopedia because you believed “Jo has reserved all publishing rights to her intellectual property, which means that she’s the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world. And since we’re fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn’t do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it.”

If my opinion of you hadn’t sunk to the lowest depths AFTER learning of what you’ve tried to do, your opinion of the rest of us ‘Fandom Wank crowd’ would positively underwhelm me.

CUTE!!! In the time it took me to type this up, you’ve changed the slur to ‘JournalFen crowd’. To bad for you that some people know how to make screencaps.

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Hi, Those that believe that citing work makes it ok to copy are incorrect. Then, a student could find a paper online, cite it’s source, and turn it in without any work or critical thinking. There are restrictions to the amount that can be copied. This book clearly violates those restrictions.

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@Cara,

Thanks for the link.

If the email is legit, seems to me Steve has already dug his own grave and jumped in it.

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KBPrez: Cara’s link – or at least it’s contents – have already been posted here and elsewhere before. It would be quite a thing to make up, and so far, SVA is not denying it. So. Digging deeper indeed.

Wondering, Dan: Thank you.

Siyrean: just because you can do something – such as, for example, get away with a certain amount of copyright violation on the web – that’s not necessarily the right thing to do. Didn’t your mom ever tell you that?

All: if we must compare SVA to any HP characters, I’d suggest Gilderoy Lockhart, with a good dose of Fudge and a pinch of Rita Skeeter thrown in for good measure.

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I guess the last laugh’s on Steve. The photo of the cover of his book has his name spelled incorrectly as “Van Der Ark,” instead of “Vanderark.” I guess editing is RDR’s forte.

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Artemisia, good call.

however let me add, RDR publishing is a mixture of umbridge, voldemort, and hitler.

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Why is the link to this article dead? I’ve tried to get to it for two days, but it’s been dead ever since I first saw it (I’ve been traveling, so I missed it when it was first put up). Repair it, please? From what I’ve read in the media so far, RDR acted very unprofessionally in their communications with WB, which is incredibly stupid. And as a librarian, Steve should know more about the copyright law than he appears to from what I’ve read in the media so far. If I could see his response via this link, I might change my opinion. The online Lexicon is a wonderful resource, but there was no need to consider publishing a book – he should know better.

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Madeleine, having visted a bookstore and flipped through a bunch of RDR’s books, most written by this roger ropport guy, editing never happens. I am a unpublished author and definetly not the greated as syntax and grammar in my unedited drafts, but I can recognize that I am a far more coherent and intelligent writer. not to toot my own horn because I have alot of problems in my grammar that I am working on.

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NotTheHBP, lol. I hear you. I myself meant to say “NOT RDR’s forte!” lol!

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Madeleine, that is TOO funny! Bwahawahawhahawahwahwa! He couldn’t spell his own name right? And no one caught it? Guess they shouldn’t have rushed to the printing presses, huh?

To add to what Artemesia said in regards to the link that I reposted, I originally saw it posted on one of the Leaky’s comment boards by someone with the username “look what I found”.

I know it was posted in the Dyslexicon’s [thanks to whoever came up with that one] Pensieve section because I saw it there, too: posted by username “Adriene” Nov. 5, 2007 @ 3:27 am.

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@Lynda: The link works fine for me. Try this URL: http://hp-lexicon.org/whats_new.php

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LOL Is currently wondering if SVA will use misspelt surname to finally smarten up and disassociate self with RDR Books I can see this turning into a Monty-Pythonesque ‘That’s not me! See? My name is spelled…’ skit.

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give me an example where a person has been charged and convicted of copywrite infringement for posting none profit fanfiction online and i’ll back down.

what really bothers me are people thinking leaky should be distancing themselves from the lexicon, kick steve off pottercast, and kiss WB butts incase they dicide to not be so generous in the future. it honestly scares me seeing the viciousness people are displaying towards a man who really is a stranger to them. i hope leaky desides to do what’s right, not what will earn them the most JKR fan points. what ever steves mistakes are, my understanding is that he’s always been a friend to the site and he has done a lot for the fandom.

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Obviously it is for the money ! Don’t you think you make enough at the Fan gatherings, Steve ?? You are invited to these events because of your expertise and I will say your presentation. Why don’t you concentrate on a new presentation which you have a talent for ( I have seen it 4 times now) not to make money off of someone elses talent Shame on you. What has changed Steve?? You used to be a caring guy who the rest of us could relate to -It looks like you have killed your golden goose

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Actually, I think it’s VanderArk, but if it’s spelled Van Der Ark on the cover, that’s the way Steve wants it. It’s def. not Vanderark.

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@ siyrean:

Try these sites: http://www.whoosh.org/issue58/ecks1.html

AND

http://www.chillingeffects.org/fanfic/faq.cgi#QID233

They deal specifically with fanfiction on the internet and site a few instances.

Generally speaking, websites that have been served with cease/desist letters either come into compliance with the request or choose to close shop rather than face a copyright/trademark infringement suit.

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@siyrean ‘give me an example where a person has been charged and convicted of copywrite infringement for posting none profit fanfiction online and i’ll back down.’

SVA’s not-for-profit online Lexicon is not at issue in the suit; it’s his to-be-published-for-profit book that is at issue. JKR has been, in my opinion, consistent with allowing online fan sites (that include but are not limited to fan fiction, critical analysis studies, reference material, citations, artwork, etc.) to exist and flourish, as long as they are in keeping with the spirit of her books, and as long as owners and contributors of the sites are not trying to make money from her work and/or off the backs of her fans by basically cataloguing what is in the books, or extending the storylines of her characters. She created the characters and storyline; it has been her life’s work. She was lucky to have succeeded in selling her life’s work to earn a more than respectable living, but that doesn’t mean other people are now freely entitled to a piece of the HP pie, so they too can make a profit. This is reasonable thinking on her part. Who would want to work so hard on something, only to have someone else rearrange and itemise the work, and try to sell it, without the approval to do so?

JKR’s and WB’s representatives were directed by RDR to print out the contents of the online Lexicon to know what SVA would be including in his book. If the contents of his book consist of the online Lexicon, then basically that is all he has done: rearranged and itemised her life’s work. If he plans to include essays from contributors to his site, then I hope he has their permission to do so, or else, this mess will be the least of his worries.

It’s hard to keep up-to-date with what RDR intends to do, because it seems their story has changed so often. At first they were saying the book was a ‘verbatim’ hard copy of the online Lexicon, which clearly is a copyright infringement, as it goes well beyond what can be considered ‘Fair Use.’ Now they are calling it a ‘critical analysis’ of her works. If RDR is so confident that what they’ve done is not a copyright infringement, why are they not complying with a simple request to produce the book? JKR has allowed other books that have truly analysed and critiqued her work to be published, so why wouldn’t she allow this one too?

JKR has always been more than reasonable, from what I have seen. Even though she has always had the legal option to step in to ask such sites to cease and desist, she has not. I think it was Melissa herself who once said that The Leaky Cauldron/Leaky Lounge would not be allowed to exist but for the grace of JKR, and she was apt in acknowledging this. JKR has drawn a line that should have been respected by SVA and his publisher. She does not, and rightly so, appreciate anyone taking her property, without her permission, and trying to make a profit from it. She is not acting unreasonably. In fact, the more I hear about how uncooperative RDR has been, I’d have to question her and WB if they weren’t pursuing this claim.

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from your link. “Because of lack of judicial precedence, the legal theory around the status of fan fiction remains just that: theory. It makes the outcome of any case related to fan fiction somewhat difficult to predict.”

but as this really has nothign to do with the lexicon i think we can drop it with an agree to disagree.

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Dan, we were off on a tangent, i never intended to compair the lexicon with fanfiction. we were on whether or not we should be greatfull for Jo’s generosity in allowing us our fandom.

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@siyrean ‘Dan, we were off on a tangent, i never intended to compair the lexicon with fanfiction. we were on whether or not we should be greatfull for Jo’s generosity in allowing us our fandom.’

Bah… sorry ‘bout that.

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Siyrean: “we were on whether or not we should be greatfull for Jo’s generosity in allowing us our fandom”.

Actually, my post on page 2, that helped spark this particular discussion, was not really about allowing a fandom but acknowledging it.

Practically every author has a website, fair enough. And choosing not to stop fanfiction or other on-line fan community activities may be just virtue out of necessity; policing over-strict rules is hard work, after all.

The unique part is, IMHO, the way JKR has used all this to interact with her fans: answering a question here, disproving a theory there, granting an exclusive interview to this and that fan representative, recognizing another for the hard work he has done.

And it is heartbreaking to see how a kindly nod, one among many, is now being capitalised upon. No creative artist in their right mind is ever going to praise a fansite as their “natural home” again.

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You have made a very excellent point, Mrs. W. I can only imagine how hurt JKR is over this whole ordeal. I totally agree with you that artists will have to think twice about commending a fan’s contributions, especially in light of something like this, where there’s a risk that their kind words will be used against them.

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NotTheHBP : “Artemisia, good call.

however let me add, RDR publishing is a mixture of umbridge, voldemort, and hitler.” ?

Hitler ?? Is this humour ? (or insult to the memory of people by million?)

Yes or no, it is very RDR like, with their call to Hiroshima! LOL!

As Siyrean, I wonder about the hate some people express here. Acts of SVA may truly be critised, is not that enought?

But, I forgot…. what a pleasure to find a scapegoat to burn…

Many of those who are crying about the fandom break are working to dig the break very hard.

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@ Annia: But, I forgot…what a pleasure to find a scapegoat to burn…

His comment today says it all: ‘I know that many people (waves to the Fandom Wank crowd) are seeing conspiracy here with the comments gone, but to be frank, it’s nothing sinister. Well, unless you find lawyers sinister.’

That’s right, he called those critical of him and RDR ‘Fandom Wanks’. He quickly thought better of the insult and promptly changed it to the ‘JournalFen crowd’, but not before a few of the savvy visitors to his site saw it and made screencaps of it.

For the most part, those who’ve been critical of him were civil, not disrespectful.

Yeah, he’s under a lot of pressure and worry, but if there were ever a more important point in time that he should keep his cool and be mindful of what he utters, it would have to be now.

Personally, you should save your sympathy. Just consider that free advice from a proud ‘fandom wank’. ;)

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Annia, sorry if it caused discomfort bringing up hitler, but the point I was making was that hitler was obsessed with profiting from various ancient cultures. he sent troops out to prove that the german people were better then everyone else because they were related to the glory of rome and atlantis and other ancient cultures real and suposed.

He basically went out of the way to use other cultures to validate and profit from. RDR is working in a similer way. claiming jk rowling’s copyrights and trademarks as theirs for their own profit and glory and to try to gain public support for their cause. They have lied left right and center to get people on their side and they arent having any luck. at this point, I feel almost like steve is not stuck for the ride while jk rowling defends her property, and RDR whines, threatens, and abusies.

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Everything Harry Potter belongs to JK Rowling and Warner Bros. No one has the right to take another person’s work and use it to increase the size of their own bank account. Shame, shame, shame!!

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Hi, Laurel,

Not to beat a dead hippogriff, but all over the Lexicon site, and indeed, at the end of SVA’s own letter posted yesterday, his name is spelled “Vander Ark.” When you click on the link to order the book, you see the cover, which has it as “Van Der Ark.” Either that’s a huge mistake on RR’s part, or even worse, SVA himself has changed the spelling at the age of what, 49?

~ Ma Del Leine

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LOL, Ma Del Leine … :)

While I am sure this is just another indicator of the half-baked nature and messiness of the whole enterprise, the little “van” can be an indicator of aristocracy in the Dutch language (more aristocratic still, on occasion, is having “van de” or “van der” in front of your name). In translation, both basically mean “of” – as in, for example, “the Duke of York”. But of course, carrying such a name no longer really indicates aristocracy at all today (nor would it necessarily always have meant such a connection in the past).

Now, I know absolutely nothing about SVA’s family background, but people have been known to add this little syllable – or, shall we say, emphasize it, in order to appear more sophisticated. I am not saying that SVA is doing that (or that someone else is doing it to him), but it’s happened before. Plus, RDR has previously seen a need to advertise the Lexicon as “written by one of the world’s leading academic scholars on the Potter series, Steve Vander Ark” – they’ve removed that bit, too, but it had caught my eye earlier, and so I dug just a little deeper and as it turns out, it can still be found on google (just look for “leading academic” and “Vander Ark”).

Apparently, RDR is learning that you cannot just tout anything you like to sell your stuff. I mean – I am sure Steve knows a lot about HP, but what’s he got now, a PhD in Harry Potter Studies and a Nobel awarded by RDR? I am also unaware of a recognized academic standard in the HP world – sure, some of his essays might be considered “peer reviewed” by his fellow HP-academics, most of whom, however, will probably just consider themselves … well, fans. Of Jo, and/or JKR, that is.

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RDR has yet again updated their site with a link to a California ‘defense’ attorney’s blog.

Basically, the attorney says it’s an issue of waiver. I SINCERELY hope that RDR intends to use that tact in court, because they will have a hard time proving that JK/WB/publishers have waived their rights to Harry Potter when they have repeatedly protected their rights in a court of law , against websites, book publishers, and ‘adult’ Harry Potter fanfic/art, when they’ve perceived their copyrights have been challenged.

*In copyright law, waiver or abandonment of copyright “occurs only if there is an intent by the copyright proprietor to surrender rights in [her] work.”

I note that the DMCA allows circumventing certain things, however, those things entailed are not-for-profit, and even then, those who try to circumvent copyright law are still held liable if proven guilty. The DMCA has guidelines and explicitly states: *Section 1201©(1) provides that the rights, remedies, limitations, or defenses to claims of copyright infringement still apply.

Question: How are libraries and archives affected by the anti-circumvention provisions?

Answer: The DMCA provides an exemption for nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions to circumvent a system protecting a copyrighted work in order to make a determination of whether or not to acquire the work. [1201(d)] This exemption limits qualifying institutions from conducting circumvention only to those circumstances where accessing such a work is not made available in another medium. [1201(d)(2)] In addition, the exemption limits circumvention only for the limited time it takes the institution to make the decision whether or not to acquire the work. [1201(d)(1)(A)]

Libraries, educational institutions, and similar organizations are concerned that these technical protection systems and the laws supporting them give too much control to the copyright owner, and threaten the general public’s ability to access these works. The ban on the distribution of circumvention devices also means that libraries seeking to use this exemption can’t do so independently but must employ cryptographers to do so – a luxury most libraries can’t afford.

RDR selling this book at $25 a pop to the underprivileged kids in the world who’d probably want a Happy Meal instead, does not qualify as non-profit.

What is the DMCA?

http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvention/faq.cgi#QID100

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D’oh, forgot to add what Steve/RDR face if/when they fail with the DMCA defense, and lose in court:

Question: What are the civil penalties for a DMCA 1201 violation?

Answer: Civil cases are brought in federal district court where the court has broad authority to grant injunctive and monetary relief. Injunctions can be granted forbidding the distribution of the tools or products involved in the violation. The court may also order the destruction of the tools or products involved in the violation. The court can also award actual damages, profits gained through infringement, and attorney’s fees. If an individual held in violation of the DMCA commits another such violation within the three-year period following the judgment, the court may increase the damages up to triple the amount that would otherwise be awarded.

In circumstances involving innocent violators, it is up to the courts to decide whether to reduce damages. But, in the case of nonprofit library, archives or educational institutions, the court must remit damages if it finds that the institution did not know of the violation.

Question: What are the criminal penalties for a DMCA 1201 violation?

Answer: If the circumvention violations are determined to be willful and for commercial or private financial gain, first time offenders may be fined up to $500,000, imprisoned for five years, or both. For repeat offenders, the maximum penalty increases to a fine of $1,000,000, imprisonment for up to ten years, or both. Criminal penalties are not applicable to nonprofit libraries, archives, and educational institutions.

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If RDR and SVA want to use abandonment, let them. I’d love to see them humiliated in court for even trying that idiotic tactic.

They’re trying to paint all of this as a “David vs. Voldemort” suit (seriously! it’s on their site.), but the more they open their mouths, the easier they’re making this for JKR and WB’s lawyers. It’s going to be a bitchslapping of epic proportions.

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So in May 2007 Steve has comments on the lexicon that show he was the honorable Steve with integrity that we respect him for. Then, suddenly, in Sept., he becomes Gilderoy Steve. What happened between May and September?

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What happened between May and September? I suspect he was cursed at Sectus.

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Artemesia, good points! :) I just thought it was strange in terms of consistency…

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Well – I’m glad we finally got THAT settled!

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@ Ea_Estel: What happened between May and September?

Besides calling his naysayers, even the polite ones, “f_ws” and later “JFs”, you mean?

Or how about the fact that his print version of the Lexicon infringes Jo’s copyright?

What about the fact that he specifically asked to write a book with her and she turned him down, so he went on to print a book against her express permission?

Or what about the fact that RDR keeps making ignorant comments, such as comparing the request for an injuction against this book to comments made by someone regarding the radioactive fallout of Hiroshima/Nagasaki victims, as being ‘a pleasant way to die’?

Not enough? The publisher’s have repeatedly altered their statement, posted a link to a defense attorney’s blog and seems to want the readers to infer that the legal defense is going to use the ‘Jo gave us a compliment, never ceased/desisted the site, therefore she’s lost her copyrights?

Still not enough? How about this lovely email, dated prior to the release of Deathly Hallows, an email that Steve/attorneys/RDR have yet to make a statement on [as well they shouldn’t], though the blogger claims the email legitimately came from Steve:

Hello, Matt and Jessica:

As the editor of the Lexicon, I get email every so often from fans asking me to publish the Lexicon in book form, so I've dealt with this question before.  Basically, it is illegal to sell a book like that.  Jo has reserved all publishing rights to her intellectual property, which means that she's the only one who may publish any book that is a guide or encyclopedia to her world.  And since we're fans and supporters of Jo, we wouldn't do anything that would violate her rights, even if we could get away with it.  We wouldn't get away with it, though, since Neil Blair, her solicitor, is very quick to defend his illustrious client in things like this.
So while it's a smashing idea, it simply isn't something that's allowed at the moment.  Believe me, when the series is finished, I plan to petition Jo to allow the Lexicon to work with her to create the ultimate Harry Potter encyclopedia.
In the mean time, we'll have to use various online resources.

Thanks for the email! Steve Steve Vander Ark The Harry Potter Lexicon

From this site:

http://www.qforquack.com/2007/11/01/the-harry-potter-lexicon/#comments

RDR legally has 3 weeks to respond to the court, but the longer they wait to make a formal response, the more people are unhappy with them and Steve Vander Ark.

Of course, attorneys won’t want to rush into this without trying to give the most cohesive defense it can muster, that’s to their credit. I don’t think anyone faults them.

But RDRs blatantly ridiculous assertions, constantly changing statements, and Steve’s slap at naysayers is also causing a lot of upset, unrest, and downright nastiness.

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Cara – yes I agree with you. My question is what happened to change him. What happened to him to make him act so extremely out – of – character???

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ea_estel,

I don’t think anyone can say for sure. The main event I can think of happening is the fact that the 7th book came out. Perhaps with the series ‘over’ (at least, perhaps, this portion of it), Steve, for whatever reason, felt he deserved a slice of the pie now. shrugs shoulders But that’s just a thought.

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Oh, ea can tell you exactly what happened, but Leaky doesn’t like it when she does. She’s the one with all the inside personal info on Steve and Sectus.

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Steve’s comment about the Harry Potter series and the fans taking over really didn’t have any sinister overtones at all. He was just saying that with the seven novels in print, he and others wouldn’t have to speculate on what was going to happen, and they could now work within the confines of those seven books in working out histories, theories, and other matters without worrying about further comments from Rowling.

Problem is, Rowling threw a monkey wrench in the works by outing Prof. Dumbledore.

So it suggests to me that until she issues her encyclopedia, there’s a lot of backstory that we are unaware of, and so the Harry Potter series remains incomplete.

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The change in Steve ?? Well lets see..I hear he is no longer at his day job and that living in England can be very expensive

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I have just lost so much respect for Steve. He even admitted that publishing the lexicon would be copyright infringment. What a hipocrite. Its not helping he is calling hp fans fandom wanks.

Well, not that i visted the dyslexicon often but never again. To bad you had to trash your goodwill with Jo in the process. I hope she doesn’t get more jaded and start cracking down on non -profit potter fansites. The best you could do steve is offer all the profits to charity. Its what the publishing company wants anyway… right? Paraphrasing, “to get the books into the hands of children in the third world”.

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Oohhh NottheHBP, a Hitler reference? I call Godwin. Cara – you win.

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