J.K. Rowling Updates with New Rubbish Bin Entries On India Religious Festival Controversy and More

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Nov 15, 2007

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Our favorite author is doing some updating on her website today, including two new entries in her “rubbish bin” section of JKRowling.com. First, Jo addresses the matter of the lawsuit involving use of a Hogwarts castle replica in India around the time of a religious festival. JKR clarifies reports claiming that she pursued this matter that went to court, and explains:

“Recently there were a number of reports that Warner Bros. and I had taken legal action against religious charities in India because they constructed a Hogwarts castle as part of a Hindu festival. Here are the facts.The defendants were not religious charities, and theirs was not a religious celebration. On the contrary, it was a large-scale, commercial, sponsored event involving corporations that included a major Indian high street bank. The event was, however, set up while a Hindu festival was going on.”

It was Warner Bros who brought the case, because the rights that were being infringed belong to them, not me. My name has to be attached to such proceedings as a legal technicality, because I am the underlying creator of Harry Potter series. Also due to a technicality, Warner Bros were obliged to claim damages as part of their claim. However, they waived this right, and neither sought nor obtained any financial compensation. It is completely false to assert that they, or I, were trying to take money from anybody, let alone two million rupees. The court ruled that Warner Bros. rights had indeed been infringed, and that events such as the one in question would need Warner Bros.’ permission in the future. The court also restrained all the defendants from any future events infringing Warner Bros. rights.

Some of the news agencies and newspapers who misreported this story subsequently issued corrections and apologies, but the original, false story is still doing the rounds. In the immortal words of Mark Twain, ‘a lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on.’

Also, Jo hilariously addresses some recent tabloid claims about her miraculously “rowling back the years ” and other purported physical makeovers. Quotage:

“Apparently I’ve been ‘Rowling back the years’ (ho, ho). Yes, the secrets behind my new (ahem) health and beauty regime have been confided to a British newspaper by a ‘friend’. Now, most people stop having imaginary friends once they’re adults, but mine sometimes drop in on journalists to give them completely unrecognisable accounts of my life. My carbon-based friends, however, if asked whether I jog, do pilates and yoga, have a frozen forehead or refuse cake, might well suffer some kind of mirth-induced internal injury.

“It would be churlish not to thank the journalist concerned for saying that I look better now than I did in the early days of Harry Potter’s success, and I am indeed grateful for the underlying compliment. In the interests of accuracy, however, I must point out that, far from losing weight, I’ve gained a good bit since the ‘before’ photographs featured in the article. So J K Rowling’s top tip for today is: eat more. Perhaps my next project could be a revolutionary diet book?”

Thanks Bel!





181 Responses to J.K. Rowling Updates with New Rubbish Bin Entries On India Religious Festival Controversy and More

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First! Woohoo!

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Second! (It isn’t registering even one yet, though.) Great to hear her side of things! I LOVE that she quotes Twain! My two favorites! ...and she’s acquainted with great American literature!

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Please, don’t ONLY post “First, Woohoo” without any other comment. Mollywobbles is fine, because she added some thought, but just first gets annoying I think.

anyway, I also liked hearing her side of things. It’s interesting…

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You tell ‘em,Jo! I would expect to see an improvement in the appearance of a person who went from single parent poverty, to successful author and married woman with pots of money! It is common sense! But hey, the poor dears have papers to sell and they hate successful people.

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Bless that woman’s sweet heart. That she would feel the need to explain that to her fans just because of the dung beetles that crawl out from under their piles to malign her is amazing. She’s a genuine jewel.

I really had to giggle about her new diet. I’m for it!! Eat more CHOCOLATE!

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Well said, Greymayne. Always the height of common sense and able to see the ludricrous irony in everything, is our beloved Jo.

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EXTRA! EXTRA! JK Rowling is working on new diet book- out next year!

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I love that she’s updating her site, but I wish she’d update about characters or other answers about the books, instead of these lawsuits. hopefully we’re almost done with all this lawsuit stuff.

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She only has time for lawsuits? No FAQs, EXTRA CONTENT, RUMOUR, Diary updates… only this lawsuit that moreover, hurt fandom.

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Her response to the tabloid drivel is HYSTERICAL. I absolutely adore this woman’s sense of humor!

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Finally a good update. hehe the one about her diet had me laughing; haha “mirth-induced injury”! yeah I also wish Jo would update the faq section, I love that faq poll, but she’s busy with the lawsuit etc and she would want a little break after book 7. It’s so nice of her to have a website for the fans in the first place.

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I’m with Greymane and Mom Weasley! Remeber, folks, what ‘Professor Lupin’ said about Chocolate….”Here. Eat this, it helps!” I always knew that Chocolate was a Defense against the “Dark Arts” I’m sending Jo a BIG box, for Christmas! Not that she needs it…LOL She’s great, aint she?! *)Happy Holidays, all!

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Moon, Jo is talking about a different lawsuit than the current RDR/Lexicon case. This was about the incident in India, and I’m glad she cleared it up because some people were using it as an example to promote their view that JKR has become “greedy.” She needed to put this in the rubish bin because most of the information on the case was a lie.

Her diet story is pretty hilarious too.

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I know which lawsuit it is, but her last updates have been only about lawsuits and one of them really hurt fandom.

This one is from October. Why now? She doesn’t mention that:

- The judge ignored WB and JKR’s petition of money. - The judge allowed the castle until the RELIGIUS FESTIVAL finished, exactly the Durga Puja festival, recognising a link between the castle and the religius festival.

I wonder why Jo hasn’t mention these LITTLE details. But this info is public and was published weeks ago. Thanks Jo for YOUR version, but I would preffer Wizard of the Month and Faqs before discover the process of your last lawsuits (Lexicon, India, eBay or whatever you want this week).

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mmoon and lauren,though she hasn’t updated the site she gave quite a lot of interviews about the characters after DH came out,which to me is just as good as updating the site.

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Haha love that she quotes Mark Twain, though I get enough of it as he’s a such a big part of Elmira College :P

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Is this all John Noe’s fault? I seem to recall him joking a couple of weeks ago about Jo jogging, an perhaps the tabloids were listening. Jo does look better than she did in the earlier HP years, but I think a lot of it is that she is more confident now because she has got the hang of appearing in public.

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and because she couldn’t say Wizards of the Months in Interviews, she killed the section…

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yeah, she’s done SO much since book seven, giving interviews, and readings, and online chats, telling us all the minute details about our favorite books, I dont really think we have any right to demand more on her website. Her website is her baby, and if she wants to use it to dismiss lies that have been told about her, then more power to her!

I thought the diet one was hysterical!

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I LOVE THIS WOMAN!!!!!!

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Moon, did you read what she said? She said that most of the news stories were inaccurate. She actually wasn’t a plaintiff, just WB. This is what she said: “The defendants were not religious charities, and theirs was not a religious celebration. On the contrary, it was a large-scale, commercial, sponsored event involving corporations that included a major Indian high street bank. The event was, however, set up while a Hindu festival was going on.”

As for your claim that they were denied money, according to Jo, WB did not seek financial compensation.

These lies hurt her character. That is why she has a rubbish bin: to address lies.

As for news about characters, she has had plenty of updates this fall.

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It is what Jo says, but in the legal document it says that the castle would be respected until the end of the religious festivals (something she doesn’t mentions, ha) and that the demandants didn’t have to pay to WB the money they have pretended.

I want to know the 2 versions. Not just one, rushed.

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I was never DEMANDING that she update about her characters, just mearly stating that I wish she would update about that, such as what happened to characters not in the epilogue, who else died, clarifiation on Ron’s job, etc. If she’s going to take the time to update, I’d just rather not read about lawsuits. She’s completely free to do whatever she wants, and I’ll read it anyways. I just hate when people jump down others throats for not loving every single thing and decision Jo does, that doesn’t make me less of a fan than you, just because I’m a tad dissatisfied with her updates. It’s nice of her to update at all, believe me I know, I’m not trying to act like a spoiled brat.

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Moon, do you have a link to the court document? Because the only place I can find your information is from the media.

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I believe what dozens of newspapers (third parties) say then what jo says who happen to be the plaintiff in the case.

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Personally, I find it funny that the same person who complains about Jo updating her site about a previous lawsuit is doing nothing but complaining about that same exact lawsuit.

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Yeah…I can’t find that information either, mollywobble.

Personally, though, I’m very happy that J.K. Rowling clears these things up. So what if it’s “her version”? Of course it’s her opinion on it. I don’t think she changed any facts (I really can’t imagine her ever doing that, actually) and I’m always glad to hear her say in a matter like this. Moon, I’m not sure how it’s bad that JK hasn’t updated those other parts of her site, since when she was touring she basically was doing a giant rumors, extra content, and FAQs thing.

GO JO!

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I believe that she hasn’t had liposucton or Botox or anything, but I definitely think she’s had some major dermatolgy work done – in older pictures she’s got all sorts of moles and freckles and things that she doesn’t have any more. I don’t blame her for that at all, though.

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Why are we talking about how she looks/looked? She’s gorgeous! Is it even up for debate? :)

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KJ, Jo wasn’t a plaintiff, that is one of her points. WB was the plaintiff because the castle infringed on their rights. Jo’s name is included because she is the original creator of “Harry Potter.”

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Why put this in the rubbish bin now? Has she been reading the comments on leaky?

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Apologies, Lauren. My comment was actually aimed at Moon. I guess I should have said that.

Anyway… I think it’s nice that she updated at all. Cant blame her for wanting to get her version of the story out. And I’m sorry, but I’ll believe her before the newspapers (someone called them a “third party”) because I know how incorrect and incomplete the press can be. Its a shame, but I think a lot of the press uses tons of assumptions when writing stories, and very little research. And it’s also true that they report first, then question/correct later. Unfortunately the correction is always a minor note on some back page, so no one sees it.

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Well, kj, your first mistake is believing anything the media says. Commercial media outlets are just like any other corporate entity – out to make money and the truth is inconsequential.

A scandalous headline is going to sell many more papers than the truth.

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i’m backin u jo all the way!!!

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Every time she gives an interview or even writes a blurb, I like her more and more. How does she stay so down to earth? She rules. She absolutely rules.

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I love her sense of humor! I almost busted out laughing here at work while reading that. Hehe, imaginary friends indeed. :D

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...and with that update, JK Rowling proceeds to make me love her EVEN MORE than I already do. I keep thinking such an event would be impossible and she keeps proving me wrong! Very frustrating! :)

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Man, I hate it when I get a mirth-induced internal injury. It usually happens when I’m ROFLing and roll into something. Like when I read JKR’s comments…

She makes me smile!

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Wow, its frightening how major Newspapers and Broadcasters can twist the facts so much to make an innocent victim be made out to be a villain. What JK writes about the Indian Festival exposes a completely different story. The news media is FRIGHTENING, FRIGHTENING FRIGHTENING.

They need to be brought DOWN. They treat all of us like fools, it makes me mad.

Its great to read anything JK writes.

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Jo looks great because she has what she wants, a very full family, a successful career, a good sense of humor and great hair stylist. Go Jo, your carbon-based fans are laughing with you.

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“Wow, its frightening how major Newspapers and Broadcasters can twist the facts so much to make an innocent victim be made out to be a villain.”

You have to remember that this is originally a wire story. So news outlets picked it up, assuming the facts were accurate, and ran the story without double checking. That’s there are so many media outlets with the same story.

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“Wow, its frightening how major Newspapers and Broadcasters can twist the facts so much to make an innocent victim be made out to be a villain.” Posted by Professor Potter on November 15, 2007 @ 02:12 PM

I totally agree. I go to a school with a lot of communication majors and my friends say that they are taught to make stories more interesting and more sensational to attract audiences. (at least here in the US, I don’t know about other countries)

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It is very scary what happens when the media gets hold of a story and I’m happy to hear Jo’s side of things. People.com had to print a retraction the other day because of something they said about another pair of celebrity’s which turned out to be completely inaccurate.

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“That’s why,” not “That’s there.” =)

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This is why we love this woman and her writing so much. You tell ‘em Jo! I’m on your side all the way!

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And with that, JK Rowling has made me even love her even more. And I didn’t think that was even possible! Plus, I’m glad she cleared up alot of information with the lawsuit in India. =] I thought something was up with it. Here’s to hoping she updates the site soon with more information on the Lexicon situation.

Also, I must say I think Jo looks better than she did in early Potter years because she’s more confident. [She was absolutely stunning at the premiere, and got nearly all the attention when she was around…but she’s JK Rowling, though. XD]

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Indigomisfit, where do you go to school? I was a photojournalism major and took several classes with news reporting students. We were never taught to make things more sensational by adding false information. It’s unethical.

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You guys sound like the Death Eater’s worshipping Lord Voldemort. I used to like J.K. Rowling alot, I would stand up for her everywhere, even respect her, but lately the similarities of her and Lord Voldemort are uncanny.

Notice how she only made a few books of Beetle and the Bard, and gave them to a select few. Making the rest of us feel upset that we couldnt buy a copy, being in awe of whoever wins the auction for the book. Kinda like Lord Voldemort giving special priveliges to certain death eaters, resulting in the rest trying harder to earn Voldemort’s approval.

Lies. Lies. she says. Sounds like Voldemort. Lies. She says she doesn’t live in a 13 bedroom home. Google search it and you will find it true. Just because she doesn’t want you to know, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

“Residences: Purchased in fall of 2001, they have a six-bedroom, 19th-century (1865) home in Killiechassie house, Aberfeldy, Perthshire on the banks of the River Tay.

They also own an $11 million Georgian-style home with an underground pool and 24-hour security in Kensington, London. “

here is the website, read it for yourself. http://marriage.about.com/od/thearts/p/jkrowling.htm

Voldemort always despised Dumbledore. What better way to discredit him then to put the spotlight on his sexuality. Most of the open minded world will see no reason to stop loving Dumbledore. He always was and will always be the greatest wizard that ever lived. Gay or Straight, it does not matter. But it sure works are a great rumour and spreads like wildfire especially with all the closed minded people of the world, who surely think less of dear Dumbledore now. What a victory for Voldemort.

The only difference left was the whole pure blood madness. And she seems to fit into that too now. Why is she telling all this now? This India thing has been going on for weeks. The logical reason being that she feels her image falling with her worshipping fans, so she is trying to redeem herself. Why does she try to sue and squash people who celebrate her works? She doesnt. Only targets those of colour… It is sad, but obvious when other articles on the net like this one

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071112/NEWS01/711120363

appear, and she does not sue. Why? maybe in her twisted way they are pureblood, so immune to copyright infringements? Notice how all her charities are for children of no colour? Who is she going to try to sue next? People of Africa? China? really poor third-world countries?

Shame on you. J.K. Rowling. “Absolute power corrupts absolutely.” -John Calberg-Acton

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mollywobble, I’m in high school journalism and we’re being taught that as well. I don’t really like that at all, especially when people edit my work to make it more ‘exciting’.

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I do love an old-fashioned, well-reasoned, fact based debate….wish we had them here in Leaky comments as the rule instead of the exception.

What I cannot figure out is why some, regardless of the topic, insist on just starting a meaningless argument.

Please disagree with courtesy, use rational arguments based on fact and in a logical sequence. And if someone posts comments clearly intended to get your blood pressure soaring, then please do not take the bait.

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@Meredith: Wow. Just, wow. Ok, aside from your blatant errors (Last I checked 6 bedrooms != 13 bedrooms), and your HOBVIOUS Communist tendencies (because, OMG SHE OWNS THINGS??! EVIL!!!!), it is precisely these kinds of viscous ad hominem attacks that she has to even have the “Rubbish Bin”. Did you not read the post? She’s not even the plantiff, WB is. She’s just listed as a technicality. Also, charging her with racism? Um, hello, SVA/RDR are white, and she’s suing them. And homophobic? It must have been a different JK Rowling who said “It has never been news to me that a brave and brilliant man could love other men.”

Troll Harder.

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Here, Alexa, have some chocolate…it helps!

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OM NOM NOM NOM

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I’d like some chocolate too. =D

Heheh, just kidding.

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Hello Alexa,

Thankyou for your comment. Actually the $11 million Georgian-style home with an underground pool and 24-hour security in Kensington, London is the one with 13 bedrooms. It has been built with combining 2 homes. Just do some research on Google, and it is quite easy to find.

The other home, Killiechassie is 6 bedrooms… google images and check it out. Happy Researching!

Like many before me in this comment topic have already stated “Just because she has said so, does not mecessarily make it true.. It is her side. We need to know both sides before we can judge, not blindly follow along in worship. I look forward to your comments.

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Dear budb,

My post is on topic. It discusses Rowling’s opinion and actions of the India copyright infringement. I believe that this is indeed the area where comments from this topic are voiced?

I respectfully differ from your opinion. I do not see my opinion as being a “meaningless arguement”. Firstly, I am not arguing, merely stating my observations. And Second, I have given supporting links that you are welcome to explore. I feel I am being quite courteous, and my opinion above is quite logical in sequence.

Your chocolate idea, is excellent.

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I’ll hand chocolate around to all, on the condition that courtesy is maintained by all. That fair enough?

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Meredith, your claims of being reasonable end when you practically accuse her of being a Nazi.

Also, putting aside that I do not really care what she does with her money, the earliest reference I can find to a thirteen bedroom house is from the Daily Mail, which aside from naming her Scottish house the 13-bedroom one, not the Kensington one, the Daily Mail is not a newspaper that anybody in the UK takes seriously : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=402027&in_page_id=1879

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So what if she has a 13 bedroom house or not? What’s that got to do with anything?

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Yeah, I bet those Beetle the Bard books are actually Jo Voldemort’s horcruxes. (snickering)

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Because she denies having a 15-bedroom house in the Rubbish Bin, and Meredith is trying to convince us that every bit of information in there is suspect.

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More lawsuit news? BORING BORING BORING!

And news about how good she looks? Jo is turning into Gilderoy, not Voldemort.

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Ignore the TROLL, it will go away.

Jo’s humor in the rubbish bin is refreshing. She looks better. Well, yeah, she’s not a starving artist, struggling to make ends meet and she quit smoking {the side benefit of which does wonders for the skin}.

2 million rupees may sound like an extraordinary amount, but it’s only about $50,000. In order for the court case to be heard a compensatory request must be part of the suit, and 2.) those who built the replicas forked over 1.2 million rupees [$30,000] to construct it. To pay for this, the organizers are thought to have sold between 40 to 50 vendors stalls at a cost of $600 each and banner advertisements at a cost of $250 each to local and internationally recognized companies.

The replicas included not only the Hogwarts Castle [which one could actually enter and climb the stairs], but also life-sized Harry and Co., Hedwig, Hagrid, and the Hogwarts Express.

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She may have bought this (however many rooms it is) house after the story about the scotish house. If indeed she has this house. Just because you can find the info on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true.

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The troll seems to have given up anyway. Normally I’m good at ignoring them, but I’m feeling feisty today. I suppose I should take some chocolate ;-)

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i suppose i should clarify my position.

i visit here as a break from work, which i do well into the evening, and in the hope of learning something new related to HP. i frankly follow HP to escape the everyday, and make no pretense of doing otherwise….

i find that regardless of who is wrong or right i just am frustrated by the tone of postings, and by the sense i’ve walked in on a dysfunctional family bickering over the dinner table. hence my calls for courtesy.

leaving the chocolate in a bowl on the counter for you all to share, see you next time

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Meredeth, I don’t even know where to start. This is so funny.

1) Your Beetle and The Bard opinion is completely off the charts. She wrote that book as a gift to the people who helped her get to where she is today. She is giving back to them by giving them a rare and unique gift. That is pure class right there! 2)I google Jo’s “home” the only sources that claim she lives there are places like “About.com” who get there information from the news. Jo said that news was false. DO you have an address for said house or a link to the deed to prove that is really her home? 3) I don’t know where you are going with the Dumbledore argument. Are you suggesting she wanted fans to hate Dumbledore by annoucing his sexuality? Or are you saying she is trying to isolate her fans? This is Jo’s character. She can make him whatever she wants him to be, and it’s not her fault that people are closed minded. 4) of course jo isn’t going to sue people playing quidditch. They’re not making money off of a club sport 5) How dare you call her a racist! She co-founded the Children’s High Level Group, which helps end the abuse of kids and teens all over the world, and not just “white” kids.

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@Meredith,

Alexa said it perfectly. WOW! Just WOW!

I think I’ll go eat some chocolate.

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You might want to fix the first link in the article

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Meredith is just upset that Jo killed her role-model Bellatrix. Oh, and Meredith, it’s Dalberg not Calberg. And you do have a problem with property, don’t you? And why would Jo sue a bunch of college kids for having some harmless fun. You do have a problem.

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Meredith: LOLOLOLOLOL. Seriously… what?

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Why do people who dislike J.K. Rowling so much read Harry Potter news at The Leaky Cauldron? I would have never imagined that two postings by Jo on her website could cause such varied opinions!

I was relieved to hear a different side of the Indian celebration story because I actually was a little disturbed when I first read about it in the news. And the other posting made me chuckle (quietly, because I’m in a library). We’ve all fallen in love with Rowling through her Harry Potter books and whenever I read anything else she’s written, no matter how seemingly random, it reminds me of why I love her writing so much. It’s just so engaging and entertaining!

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Yeah – we all look 10 years younger without any help don’t we.

Come off it Jo -Do you think we all came down in the last shower !

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Great post Meredith. Than goodness for some genuine unbiased comment around here !

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Unbiased. Is that how you’d classify character maligning posts? The RDR TROLLS are apparently out in force again.

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This is the first time I hear the truth… those corrections must have been burried deep at the back pages of the newspapers…?

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good to finally hear jo’s side of the story – thought what the newspapers were reporting didnt seem likely

im also shocked that some people could turn her squashing some rumours into allegations of her being racist, however with such a weak argument the allegation might as well be dismissed – theres nothing to even bother debating on that one

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JK, you’re PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!

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This will sound cruel, potentially, but I guess the Dumbledore “revelation” hasn’t weeded out all those who are closed minded and seem to believe JKR is evil….When has it ever been said that all her charities are for white children? I wouldn’t call Meredith a communist, because that’s kind of broad…there are many little sub groups of communism to my knowledge, with some less extreme then others…China is communist, but they have a capitalist (that is the word, right?) economy. This does not however, mean Meredith was correct. I’ll try to address each issue you brought up.

“Kinda like Lord Voldemort giving special priveliges to certain death eaters, resulting in the rest trying harder to earn Voldemort’s approval.” When did he ever give others special priveliges? If you mean leading an attack or being in charge at certain parts of the Ministry? Personally, I’d think that Voldmart would use the merit system. Why would he want to put an incompetent favorite in charge of something? And don’t try to say Wormtails hand was a privelige either…it killed him, remember?

Lying about a 13 bedroom house? Why would she bother “lying” about that? I intend to be an author myself (look for my name as a central character!), and if I do well and I happen to want a 13 bedroom house, I certainly will! There would be nothing wrong with it, unless she doesnt use these alleged rooms for anything. She might sotre things, have a study in one, you don’t know! And anyways, I doubt she has one anyways. An $11 million home. Wooptee doo (I have no idea how to spell that). Bill Gates house is far more valuable! He has a wall of televisions that can be synchronised.

She wants to discredit Dumbledore…why? She wrote him in the book, she could of just have easily encoroporated it by your logic, and made him a serial killer instead.

You also can’t call Indians people of color (or at least you can, but listen to my logic) everyone has color in there skin, unless they’re albino (no pigment for those of you with no understanding of the term). So “she” happened to sue Indians. There was a copywrite infringment, and for that matter it was WB, her name was a technicality! And as stated, SVA is “white” (wait, is he? I’ve never actually seen a picture…), and he is part of a lawsuite as well. And again, as stated, she has charities for children around the world.

“Absolute power corrupts absolutely” Who told you she had absolute power, a tabloid? She doesn’t have absolute power, she has money and a large fanbase.

For myself, I enjoyed these articles. They were very funny.

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I love Jo’s writing, whether it be harry potter, quiddich rules, law suits or how to get fatter tips. I’ll read anything she writes because she has a touch of sarcasm in her humour and I love it.

But then I read Meredith’s email. I frankly fell to the floor with my sides splitting and nearly called for the paramedics. I have not read anything so funny in quite a while and dare I say it, it was funnier than Jo’s quips and George Bush gaffs. Meredith’s vision of JK as Voldermont should be done as an SNL sketch or something – its that good. Love it! And I love the way it was made to look like a serious somment, brilliant!

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well Meredith I can’t see the similarities between JK and LV in the examples you are giving no matter how much I re-read your post. Completely barmy.

“Kinda like Lord Voldemort giving special priveliges to certain death eaters, resulting in the rest trying harder to earn Voldemort’s approval.” I just can’t see how sale of a Beedle the Bard manuscript for charity equates.

Did V have a 13 bedroom house? Did he complain about people lying? I don’t remember these plots in the books at all. I don’t care if JK has a 13 bedroom house; it’s nobody’s business but hers, and, as mollywobbles said, where’s your proof? Have you followed her home, broken in and counted the bedrooms?

I go with mollywobbles in answer to the rest of your points. Why the need to bring race question into everything totally unconnected with the issue?

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Speaking of India and certain entities violating Jo’s/WBs copyrights, apparently Jo/WB have won an injunction against a City Publication for infringing Deathly Hallows.

The link requires a sign up, but here it is: http://www.worldtrademarkreport.com/login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fArticle%2fDefault.aspx%3fr%3d6907

The story is below:

November 15 2007 – India Anand And Anand Advocates

Fake Harry Potter books restrained by Delhi High Court

In Rowling v City Publication (CS (OS) 1785/2007, October 1 2007), the High Court of Delhi has granted an interim injunction restraining City Publication, a Bangalore-based publishing firm, as well as its agents, distributors and retailers from reproducing, adapting, printing, distributing and selling works of the Harry Potter series infringing the copyright in the covers of the UK and US editions and trademark registrations of Warner Bros Entertainment Inc.

City Publication used the cover art, title and characters of the book Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, but portrayed a different plot, thereby ignoring the IP rights of JK Rowling (the author of the Harry Potter series), Bloomsbury Publishing (the publisher of the book) and Warner Bros (the producer of the Harry Potter films).

The court established that:

  • Bloomsbury Publishing had copyright in respect of the covers and literary content of the book; and
  • Warner Bros had trademark rights in the name of the characters.

The court examined the infringing material and concluded that:

  • the front cover had been plagiarized;
  • the back cover was an unauthorized reproduction of the US edition of the book; and
  • City Publication had unlawfully used the names of the main characters of the book and adapted the literary content.

The order of the court took into account the fact that the infringement of the plaintiffs’ copyright and trademarks also violated the moral rights of the author. This case represents another example of how the Delhi High Court will penalize pirates which try to circumvent IP laws and counterfeit the Harry Potter books.

Rohan Bagai, Anand And Anand Advocates, New Delhi

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Oh my, I think I love Jo even more now- I didn’t think that was possible! ;)

Breaking news headline later today- ‘JK Rowling to write new revolutionary diet book.’

Heehee

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Professor Potter says: “Meredith’s vision of JK as Voldermont should be done as an SNL sketch or something…And I love the way it was made to look like a serious comment, brilliant!”

Professor, I think I love you!!!

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Meredith is either the funniest troll ever to grace these forums, or a deluded fangirl who’s still pissed that her ‘ships got sunk by JKR in the books.

There’s no way that any rational, sane person could make the equation that JKR = Voldemort. That’s just absurd.

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I think it is perfectly acceptable for a person to love the books and not like Jo Rowling. I find her absolutely self absorbed and dislikable, and she’s getting worse by the day. Her postings about all these lawsuits is indicitive. She clearly reads the comments, sees people expressing dislike for her and her ego goes into overdrive.

Please love me people. To quote Snape, “I may vomit”.

Plus, shouldn’t she be writing her encyclopedia? After all, what about the charities that are clearly suffering through lack of profit?

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I always love the anger and jealousy that anything Jo says or does brings out in people. It really shows how some folks are just bitter and miserable and can’t be happy for someone else’s success. You don’t have to think she walks on water, but she’s hardly the evil harpy some folks would like her to be.

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Hmm…I don’t remember there being so many bitter, malicious, anti-Jo posts before DH came out. Could it be that some HP fans are suffering weird kinds of abandonment issues now that the series is over?

I worked with a man whose daughter lives in the same square where Jo’s London home is located and he told me about the house. It isn’t as large as some have claimed.

Stress – like the stress of struggling to pay rent, utilities and raise a baby all alone – can take a toll on one’s health and is reflected in how one looks. Since then, Jo has earned her financial security, made tremendous achievements in her career, and has a very supportive husband. Of course her looks will reflect this. She’s always looked great but now a less stressful life can reveal a fresher Jo.

Go Jo! You’re awesome!

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I’d imagine that some part of Jo looking better than before is that she can afford better hair and make-up people (some might even be provided by WB for movie premieres and such). You’d be amazed what a great make-up artist and hair stylist can do!

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I don’t think the anti-Jo comments are anything to do with the series finishing per se, I think people are just waking up to the fact that Jo is human, not the Messiah and she is angering a lot of people with her actions lately. As stated before, it’s ok to love the books but not the author. There aren’t many authors I like to be honest. Jo constantly updating her website with legal action news is just bizarre.

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So it’s bizarre that she’s updating her site to give her side of some serious legal issues? Are you serious?

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I love Jo and I really hope she isn’t hanging around fandom too much these days. I can’t imagine how depressing it would be, reading the miserable things the trolls around here post every time her name is brought up. Gits.

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Personly, I think that Jk has lost it!

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You know, I wrote a filk of the Llama Song called the Drama Song specifically about the comments on Leaky. I have never in my life seen discussions get blown out of proportion so quickly or so bizarrely. I was very happy to read this article and find out what the facts are about that Indian case. I thought it was so nice to know that the people who were using the case to bash her were actually wrong. However, it appears that no matter what she says or does, there are people who are willing to (seriously or not) put her down and revile her in these comments. I don’t understand. It just makes me upset when I know I shouldn’t be taking it so seriously.

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Also, to daemon ninja: “she is angering a lot of people with her actions lately.” I find it very hard to understand why people are getting so angry. As far as I can tell, she’s acting like a perfectly reasonable person. I just can’t fathom what is so offensive about JKR’s actions of late. How are they different from how she has always acted? To me, the only difference seems to be that she is under more scrutiny.

“Jo constantly updating her website with legal action news is just bizarre.” How and in what universe is that bizarre? I just… fail to see the logic.

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Wow, Leaky comments is infested with (I’m guessing paid) spin doctors! What is this, Fox News?

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Lemonfresh : “However, it appears that no matter what she says or does, there are people who are willing to (seriously or not) put her down and revile her in these comments. I don’t understand. It just makes me upset when I know I shouldn’t be taking it so seriously.”

I think hate is a very powerfull emotion, and that people (us!) don’t know really what to do with that special emotion.

In more ancient times, they could act in mob to lynch somebody, or to applaud at public executions and tortures.

Nowdays, there is lesser acts and more words. And a forum (or blog) permit to express hate without risks.

We that on all interactive Internet. The funniest thing, here, concerning the hate for JRowling, is that the HP books are about those same subjects ! How Harry managed to do with his dark emotions… How Snape had great difficulties with them… (sorry for my English, hope it let my thoughts pass !)

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I would just like to clear up a few things here. First of all i am an indian. Though i didn’t really keep up with this whole lawsuit thing,someone mentioned earlier that the reported Hindu festival was in fact the Durga Puja. Now i celebrate that every year and as far as i know the festival does not in any way involve Harry Potter. And neither does it involve different themes every year. It is merely a festival for the Goddess Durga who is in no way related to Harry Potter. So i see no reason why the people organizing this festival had to come up with a Harry Potter theme or build replicas of Hogwarts. So it seems to me that what JKR is saying is actually the truth. Just my opinion.

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THE HOGWARTS CASTLE was meant to be a temporary sort of display temple for a Hindu Goddess, and for a five day Hindu Festival. IT HAD NO INTENSION OF USING IT AS A PUBLIC DISPLAY OR EARN MONEY IN THAT WAY. ‘Course, i’m not saying out of the box, but this bit of info was what WB n others didn’t know, that we HAVE this sort of festival, once a year, when we celebrate one of our Goddess, by decoring beautiful ‘pandals’, or temporary temples for her, which usually, is theme-based. And since Harry Potter has become a sort of hero in India, the people of Kolkata thought of creating Hogwarts just to celebrate their love for it. But little did WB know about this, neither they knew that the ‘Hogwarts replica’ was to be torned down, immediately after the festival. The only thing that they could see, was that someone violated their copyrights. But i say, previously, it was this same club, which did Titanic, but they weren’t charged of anything at that time! You know why? TB, the people behind the film Titanic KNEW abt this ceremony. See, this is what hapens when people without knowledge over a perticular thing, comes debating upon it. They thought that the lawsuit is over, but they didn’t see, how the sentiments of the people were hurt. Believe me, I was there. I’ve been to see this. The castle, looked beautiful. According to a proverb,’Little knowledge is a dangerous thing.’ I dont even want to kno, who originally said this.

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Man, what a dishonest posting that is!! I can’t believe how JKR is attempting to spin & twist the Indian religious festival thing. Let’s itemize the lies:

JKR: “The defendants were not religious charities, and theirs was not a religious celebration. On the contrary, it was a large-scale, commercial, sponsored event involving corporations that included a major Indian high street bank. The event was, however, set up while a Hindu festival was going on.” FALSE – the defendant was indeed not a religious charity, it was a non-profit community group that actually organized the religious celebration. I can’t believe that she’s trying to spin this as if she sued some seperate event that happened to be set up while a religious festival was going on. She actually SUED the religious festival itself. I also dislike the implication that it was a corporate, commercial defendant – she sued the local community group, not a corporation. JKR/Bloomsbury/WB/Penguin is the big corporate business here. That line about “large-scale, commercial, sponsored event” is lifted directly from the WB’s press release.

JKR: “Warner Bros were obliged to claim damages as part of their claim. However, they waived this right, and neither sought nor obtained any financial compensation. It is completely false to assert that they, or I, were trying to take money from anybody, let alone two million rupees.” FALSE! – JKR/WB did indeed seek two million rupees as compensation for the alleged copyright infringement; the judge in the case dismissed their petition for damages. JKR makes it sound like the WB gave up damages out of the goodness of their hearts, when in fact they lost their claim in court. They were indeed seeking two million rupees in damages, so how can JKR claim that’s a lie? Jeez.

JKR: “The court ruled that Warner Bros. rights had indeed been infringed, and that events such as the one in question would need Warner Bros.’ permission in the future.” MISLEADING – The judge did indeed rule that the festival organizers would need to seek her permission in the future, but JKR neglects to mention that he ruled that the festival organizers could proceed with the Hogwarts Castle for this festival, and that he denied JKR’s demand for an injunction & compensation. The festival organizers essentially won this case, though the judge found a technical violation. But JKR doesn’t mention that.

Also, the post about her beauty regimen is highly misleading. There have been rumors that she’s sought plastic surgery. Notice that she never actually repeats or refutes those allegations – instead she just talks about how she’s gained weight, etc. which creates the impresssion that she’s denying artificial enhancements, while not actually denying plastic surgery. I cannot believe how misleading, self-serving, and downright dishonest that post is. It’s postively Slytherin-like! Rowling Sues Festival Over Use of Hogwarts – http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=3&id=1629072007

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=3&id=1629072007

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And, Golden1s, I dont think you’ve ever been Kolkata, to know what the people do or dont, during the puja. For your information, in Kolkata, Durga Puja is also famously called ‘Theme puja’, okay? So, when you dont know anything about Durga Puja, i suggest you kindly keep your advice to yourself. Thank you.

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To Annia Thank you for this excellent post on some of the malicious comments” about Jo’s update. Don’t worry about your English. Yes, to compare them with a MOB gone loose, hits the nail on the head!

What is it our business to criticise Ms.Rowling how many bedrooms she has? How many swimming-pools and properties? Never heard that keeping your money only in the bank is absurd?

But what really made me laugh out so hard, people imagining, because Jo is over forty, looking fantastic, having an awesome taste – makes her using BOTOX! I am sorry, this is just hilarious. Let me tell you, I have two grown up children – and the older I get – so much more compliments I get on my looks !!! Nowadays women have all the possibilities in the world. Fashion magazine, television and the daily newspaper make sure that men and women can look as gorgeous as movie-stars! So maybe Jo has a marvelous fashion adviser – good for her.

And as for her lack of updating her web site with Harry Potter news – it is not so that she updated her web site too often! Up-dating it – had always been a special treat for her fans! Why should that change now?

P.S. a word to budb – don’t let yourself been driven away by some “aggressive” comments. Your contribution to the Leaky Forum is a highlight. Thanks for the tip with the chocolate – Hermione would of loved that ;-)

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EXACTLY! EXACTLY! They lost the case! The judge knew abt the festival AND THEY DIDN’T!! That just lowers the kind of warmth and respect we had for JKR. Just because JKR says this, people will believe it. But what’s being said out there IS A COMPLETE LIE!!! JKR, and all- They weren’t trying to earn money, they were only paying tribute to ‘The Chosen One’. There ARE fans in India too, and they love him and JKR, as much as everyone else.

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@aaThaHira: Yes, JKR/WB lost the case. I actually looked into this case when I first heard about it, because it seemed so petty and mean to me – so I read at least 6 news stories, checked the Indian high court’s website, read Indian blogs, etc. The Indian judge dismissed JKR’s case against the religious festival, because he found that the festival was not a commercial endeavour. He also denied JKR/WB’s demand for two million rupees as compensation, & allowed the festival to finish the paper-mache Hogwarts castle. I’m frankly stunned that JKR would flat-out lie like that on her web-site. That really, really bothers me. It’s like she knows it hurts her image, so she’s trying to spin it now. But the best way to avoid the bad PR is to avoid suing (and losing) against local, non-profit religious festivals. Her complaint was 400+ pages – just imagine how many thousands of dollars they had to pay their corporate lawyers for this lawsuit! What a complete waste.

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I LOVE Jo! She is hysterical, and I laughed out loud! This carbon-based fan applauds her patience and her commitment to her fans. She could just shrug and say ‘let people believe what they want to’ but she does not.

It’s too bad that unscrupulous people try to make her look bad. Perhaps they should form a Voldemort Fan Club; they already specialize in poison quills!

Meantime, we love and respect Jo. You go, Jo!!

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Oh, even better…the Rita Skeeter Branch of the Voldemort Fan Club…their motto could be “Quick Quotes Poison Quills—Full of Rot!”

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It’s interesting to see two such different points of view regarding the Indian lawsuit. (We’ll ignore Meredith!) Cara, can you provide a link for the actual court documents? A link to court records, not newspaper reports.

In court, there is a difference between asking for damages and asking for court costs (fees associated with filing). Could this be the source of confusion? You can file a suit as a formality for trademark infringement. Trademarks are easy to lose, so they must be vigorously protected.

@em I would be wary of anything read at the Scotsman. Awhile back, I followed a link to an article regarding the US, particularly where I live. I laughed my socks off. It was hilarious and so wrong that I couldn’t even work up anger. Morons should be pitied. I don’t remember the specifics, just the utter stupidity of the article.

One last comment about the Indian debacle. At the risk of sounding anti-Indian, this is a country KNOWN for tolerance of – even support of- copyright infringement, patent infringement, etc. It has long been a problem for drug companies and the entertainment industry. However, with the emergence of Bollywood – there seem to be slow changes in attitude. So, yeah, I’m guessing a court there might rule against WB.

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@Wondering- ‘One last comment about the Indian debacle. At the risk of sounding anti-Indian, this is a country KNOWN for tolerance of – even support of- copyright infringement, patent infringement, etc.’ Kindly state your point clearly. Are you in the opinion that India DID try to infringe? If so, I’d like to tell you, that drugs, and religious festives, are not the same.

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Honestly I think people are bitter, upset, and just plain jealous of JK. Every time she opens her mouth people have something negative to say about her. If you dont like her then stop reading her interviews, comments, website updates, ect. If she does have a 13 bedroom house, god for her! She deserves it! She has given everyone that comes to site and other HP sites a place to belong to and something to be pasionate about. To sit there and say she onyl cares about lawsuit is another way of saying “I cant seem to cope with the post-HP life so i’m going to take it out on the person who ended it”.

My suggestion: Grow up.

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@aaTmaHira – I agree that drugs and religious festivals are not the same. However, the legalities surrounding permissible use are the issue. My point is that with the long and well-documented history that India has of ignoring infringement in many areas, it would stand to reason that the Indian courts would allow infringing behavior.

So yes, given that India has traditionally had a very permissive attitude towards this issue, I think the behavior was intentional.

I should also clarify that I didn’t mean “at the risk of sounding anti-Indian”. I am stating facts. I meant that some posters will want to ignore the argument and simply reply with “You hate Indians!”

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The pandals at the Durga Puja festival are akin to the floats at a Santa Claus parade. They draw a crowd, but they’re not really about “the reason for the season.” Devout Hindus have actually said that this lawsuit is Goddess Durga’s punishment for polluting her festival with pop culture nonsense.

The Judge let the Durga Puja committee off the hook. The ruling meant “We’ll overlook it this time, but never ever do it again.” And the committee were told that they couldn’t have characters from the movie represented and that the pandal had to be torn down at the festival’s end.

Please note the use of the word “technicality”. There is no need to make up what one imagines happened. One needs to know what really happened and why. The committee failed to get permission. The lawsuit sought to reassert the need to get that permission. In that, it succeeded. It was undoubtedly a warning to the sponsors—in particular that High Street bank.

BTW, the RMS Titanic is in the public domain. It really existed and sank in 1912. The Durga Puja committee wouldn’t have to ask permission of anyone to make a pandal of it. And the religious festival is a bit of a red herring as the pandals, just as in the case of the Santa Claus parade, are something of a tourist attraction.

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LOL @ all the RDR trolls here. Working hard for your pay, eh?

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Good point about the Titanic, Britannia : “the RMS Titanic is in the public domain” : That is a fact! It can be found in all History’s books.

Looking on Internet or in any firt and usual media is not the same as doing a research of facts.
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This is a serious thing—of course JK should put it on her site! If she hasn’t updated the other sections of the site, it’s because of her tour, where she answered so many questions! I love Jo more and more. She’s so down-to-earth, it’s incredible. You don’t have to love everything she says or does, but when some people say they’ve lost all respect for her, I want to shake some sense into them. What about all her charity work, eh? When she sues someone over copyright problems, it’s for a good reason. What about this case in India? Well, JK Rowling wasn’t even a really involved in it

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Okay…Why did my comment get cut off? I was saying that she wasn’t really involved too deeply with the case, or that’s just how it looks to me. It seemed like it was WBs fight.

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Bottom line, em. She owns Harry Potter. As you have previously agreed on another board, Jo was legally within her rights.

Again, in order to pay for the pandal it is thought that 40-50 vendors stalls were sold at $600 a piece [for a total of about $30,000]. The pandal itself cost $31,000 to construct according to the pandal committee. Untold number of banners, advertising sponsors [think Gatorade, Nike, Penzoil, that bank] sold at $250 a piece [anything above $31,000, the cost of construction, is a profit]. The entire reason they chose Harry Potter was to draw a large crowd to their pandal. Yes, the pandal itself was free. The people in the vending stalls, however, made their money primarily off of people coming to see the Harry Potter pandal.

Justice Kaul DID uphold JKs copyrights in future, and his decision came AFTER the committee signed a sworn writ in front of the Bench that they would not use copyrighted materials belonging to JK/WB in future without first seeking permission. This is a win, even if the pandal was not forced to be pulled down.

Justice Kaul also made a small joke “that nowadays “instead of making Durga murties, people use Harry Potter”.”

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aatmaHira:”And, Golden1s, I dont think you’ve ever been Kolkata, to know what the people do or dont, during the puja. For your information, in Kolkata, Durga Puja is also famously called ‘Theme puja’, okay? So, when you dont know anything about Durga Puja, i suggest you kindly keep your advice to yourself. Thank you.”

Yes i have never been to Kolkata but the same puja u are talking about is celebrated elsewhere as well. And from where i come we dont do things like this during the puja. In fact the real reason for the puja has nothing to do with themes or Harry Potter or pop culture in general. So i personally feel that is ridiculous to include something like this in a religious festival. That is my PERSONAL opinion so u dont have to be rude about it. And btw, wasn’t the design for the Hogwarts castle created by WB with some help from JK? So i see no harm in them suing someone who used THEIR designs without permission whether it was a religious festival or not. Again, my personal opinion.

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@em,

Great postings. I agree with you. Ms. Rowling is misleading, and in some cases outright lying about this indian case. If people want to know the truth, look for yourselfs instead of just following whatever ms. rowling says like sheeps.

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She may have had the legal right to sue – but it was a worthless lawsuit. For the thousands of dollars & hundreds of pages her lawyers filed with the court, the judge ultimately denied their claim & allowed the festival to proceed.

She does NOT have a right to lie to fans – and in this update, that’s exactly what she’s done. Cara, what did you think about JKR’s claim that they waived damages and didn’t seek monetary compensation? Or her claim that it wasn’t part of a religious celebration? Isn’t that a straight-up lie?

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@Cara – I’m also curious about your sources for this extremely specific information about number of pandals, etc. etc. that hasn’t been in any news report. Did you work on this case?

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Yes, I saw that. I also saw on the day that the ruling was handed down that the attorneys also stated they had ‘expressly waived monetary compensation.’

So, while some people report one thing, others report something different. Unless you have the actual court manuscript in front of you, then you know just as much about this story as the rest of us. I’ve read all of the accounts, too.

I don’t see that JK has lied to anyone. In fact, I believe, on the other board, that I asserted to you exactly what she put on her website.

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How do you know this? What is the source? That’s my question, which you have not answered. I’m starting to think that you’re possibly an employee or personally involved in this lawsuit, which is why I’m asking how you know all these details. EG – “40-50 vendors stalls were sold at $600 a piece… sponsors sold at $250 a piece ” That level of detail hasn’t been in any of the news reports. So, can I have a link to the source, please?

“I don’t see that JK has lied to anyone” – Why not? JKR claims that it wasn’t part of a religious celebration; it clearly was part of a religious celebration. Isn’t that a lie? If not, why not?

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@ em: I already linked the source for you SEVERAL times on the other thread. However, I’d be happy to link it for you again.

http://spicyipindia.blogspot.com/2007/10/potter-troubles-over-for-puja.html

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14542794

“The IANS report, quoted above, suggests that

Warner is thought to have been informed by its legal advisers in India that this was a commercially organised event which was selling 40 to 50 stalls at a cost of $600 each and banner advertisements at a cost of $250 each to local and internationally recognised companies. Perhaps this is a naïve defence of the festival season, but the purpose of selling these stalls is to fund the organisation of the puja itself. As I understand it, the sarbojanin, or community, puja celebrations is where representatives of a locality or a neighbourhood get together, collect funds from the members of the locality, which are then pooled in to arrange for the construction of the pandal marquee, the idol of Durga, and the payment for carrying out the many religious ceremonies that take place during the festival. Increasingly corporate sponsorships of pujas and puja pandals have become popular, and some would argue (and I would tend to agree) that the religiosity of the puja is taking a backseat nowadays, but it is there nevertheless.”

I do not know Rowling or anyone affiliated with her. This does not mean I’m unable to comprehend what I’ve read and form my own opinion based upon case law and legal rights.

She asserted what the lawyers did, which is it was a profit making venture. That she did not sue ‘charities’. She didn’t sue charities. That it was a for profit endeavor set up during a Hindu festival, rather than part of the festival. Again, something that had been asserted by the attorneys from the beginning. They have clear guidelines for small, non-profit Harry Potter themed events.

That the corporate sponsors existed is not in doubt. According to Chakraborty, “The judge asked how an organisation could fund a puja without accepting advertisements or putting up banners and hoardings?”

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Thanks for the links – but you’re ducking my question, and not stating whether JKR’s post is actually correct or not. She’s saying it wasn’t part of a religious celebration. That’s incorrect. She’s saying that it was a for-profit endeavour. That’s incorrect. She’s saying that they didn’t seek damages. That’s incorrect. Yes, she’s repeating verbatim the assertions of her lawyers, because she’s the one who brought the lawsuit. But those assertions aren’t correct, and the judge ruled that the the community group was not seeking profits. It was indeed part of a religious celebration. It was NOT a profit-seeking venture. Even the links you quote say that. So I’m not sure what the point is of bolding that there were corporate sponsors – I wasn’t disputing that. I’m disputing her false allegations – denying that they sought compensation, denying that they sought 2 million rupees, denying it was part of the religious festival, etc. It’s a pack of lies, and I’m actually offended that JKR is using her influence and power to lie to her fans. Count me as a decided EX-fan.

“HC Permits Puja Pandal to Keep Hogwarts”

Harry Potter, Hagrid and Hogwarts Castle will all indeed be very much a part of Durga Puja festivities this year.

The Delhi High Court on Friday refused to oblige author J K Rowling with a restraining order against a Durga Puja organiser at Salt Lake in Kolkata from using a gigantic marquee of the imaginary castle built in canvas and paper mache and statues of her literary characters.

Rowling and media partner Warner Brothers had filed a copyright violation case before Justice Sanjay Kishan Kaul [b]seeking injunction and monetary compensation against the organiser [/b]for “clear violation” of her intellectual property rights over her characters. ...

to impose compensation, the court termed the organiser’s use of Potter characters in Durga festival as a “non-profit making enterprise” without any aim to derive financial mileage. [/b] ... Reacting to the order, counsel for the pooja organisers, D K Nag told The Indian Express: “There is no profit involved for us. We only meant to make the festivities more colourful for children.”

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/227733.html

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Then, em, since you so openly state you are no longer a fan, why are you making such an effort to ruin discussions—in this thread and elsewhere—for the rest of us?

Admittedly, your disagreement with Cara is at a much higher level than some of the nastier shouting matches we have all endured in recent weeks, but I am now posing a question to you: Why are you bothering to post here?

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Oops, sorry, I messed up the formatting.

“Rowling and media partner Warner Brothers had filed a copyright violation case before Justice Sanjay Kishan Kaul seeking injunction and monetary compensation against the organiser for “clear violation” of her intellectual property rights over her characters. ...

Refusing to impose compensation, the court termed the organiser’s use of Potter characters in Durga festival as a “non-profit making enterprise” without any aim to derive financial mileage.

Reacting to the order, counsel for the pooja organisers, D K Nag told The Indian Express: “There is no profit involved for us. We only meant to make the festivities more colourful for children.”

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/227733.html

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JKR’s comments on the Durga Puja festival of the Saltlake FD-Block Puja Committee are saddening and strange.How did she made a thing of fun and festivities of the local people into a business event by an Indian high street bank ?(I live in the city of Kolkata itself and no such bank name was mentioned here during the entire controversy !)This is saddening because I like many in India,am a great fan of the HP series.It is strange because despite being so much learned,she is still far from knowing what festivals are like in India and how they are carried out.

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@budb: Because I don’t like being lied to. You shouldn’t either. I’m actually bothering to check the facts, instead of trusting & believing everything JKR says. JKR should be proud of me for questioning authority. I don’t see you disputing anything I’m saying, but just saying “shut up and go away with your pesky facts.” No way. I’m a fan, I paid money for these books, I’ve participated in the fandom, and I have a right to express my own opinions.

Sorry if my comments “ruin it” for you by actually questioning JKR’s (IMO false) statements. She is lying, and if you’d rather accept a lie than find the truth, that’s fine. Just don’t read my comments.

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Actually, I have read yours and Cara’s closely. You’ll notice I have not contributed to this particular discussion one way or another, but am instead following the debate and making up my own mind.

No, I am quite frankly curious why individuals like yourself, who so openly state they are not fans, are so determined to post at such lengths and with such “enthusaism” on a site devoted to JKR. Fair question, you’ll agree?

I do object that you seem to feel others are liars, or that you think I live in some cotton-wool bubble. There was no call for that rudeness. Please restrain your sarcasm, and do not make judgements about people you do not know.

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I already answered your questions em, nor am I ducking anything. I believe JK. I believe her statement on her site to be the truth as she and her attorneys perceived the case. I believe she was right to launch the lawsuit, and I believe that her rights to Harry Potter WILL be upheld in future because of Justice Kaul’s ruling.

If all you want to do is whine and moan and denigrate others, do it with someone else. I have better things to do.

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I have only posted on two threads at the Leaky Cauldron – first on the HP Lexicon thread because I wanted to understand what that was all about. When someone in the comments mentioned another Indian lawsuit, which I’d never heard of, I followed up & read the news reports about it. And I concluded it was a pretty dumb move on JKR/WB’s part. But whatever. Now, a month later, JKR posts to her website and denies a whole bunch of things that are actually true. It’s one thing to protect the copyright, etc., but it’s quite another to lie and mislead fans about what it was about. That’s an abuse of trust, IMO. And no, I can’t be a fan anymore of an author that is willing to lie to, spin, and mislead fans.

You were the one who made this personal in the first place by posting to say – “why don’t you shut up and go away?” Since this is only the second thread I’ve ever posted to at LC, it can’t be that I’m spamming every single thread here. It’s just that I’m posting something here that you don’t want to hear, yet can’t deny. So you’d rather attack me instead. And hey, it’s a free blog. But if you’re trying to turn this into a flame war, or about me, it won’t work. I don’t think I’ve been rude at all – I’ve posted the news article, and posted how JKR’s statement contradicts both the published news accounts, and the judge’s own ruling. And yes, I believe that JKR is lying. People can make up their own minds.

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Excuse me, where did I write anything like you suggest in your last paragraph, starting with “You were the one who made this personal in the first place by posting to say – “why don’t you shut up and go away?”

I recall your postings in the Lexicon discussion too.

No, I simply am following up on your own declarative statement: “Count me as a decided EX-fan.” Posted by em on November 16, 2007 @ 02:35 PM

Given some of the more heated bickering in recent weeks, I have really been grappling with the question of why ex-fans or never-been-fans post here. Since you state you are an ex-fan, who better for me to ask than you?

I am not attacking you. Sorry if you feel that way, but, as the saying goes, that’s your problem. I have a legitimate question I think, and you appear to be well-positioned to answer it.

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So, if JKR says something that you believe to be false, you wouldn’t post to say so? I am an EX-fan right now, because I don’t like dishonesty, and I believe JKR is being dishonest to fans. As I’ve explained.

Re: “Excuse me, where did I write anything like you suggest in your last paragraph, starting with “You were the one who made this personal in the first place by posting to say – “why don’t you shut up and go away?” You posted – “why are you making such an effort to ruin discussions—in this thread and elsewhere—for the rest of us?”

This is clearly telling me to go away, that I ruin the discussion, that I’m a troll. Even though you acknowledge that it’s higher-level discussion – IOW, a discussion. Are people not allowed to discuss things on comments? I thought that was the whole point? It sounds like you were saying that I shouldn’t express an opinion that you disagree with – while not actually disputing that opinion. And yeah, that’s much more of a personal attack than a discussion.

I like the books, but that doesn’t mean I have to believe everything JKR says. Nor should anyone believe everything I say. Think for yourself, is all.

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em, ok, I see that I wasn’t as clear as I should have been, and that led to confusion. My objection, as I have stated repeatedly (including in the Lexicon discussions as you may recall) is to insulting tones and words. For that then, sorry that I wasn’t crystal clear. On the other hand, you may not feel its rude to call people liars, or that its ok to tell people they are benighted sheep, but those you are addressing do.

Quite capable of making up my own mind, thanks.

Don’t think you have given me insight into why ex/never-been fans bother posting tho…I really am curious on that point. Shame you couldn’t, I like to learn new things.

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I’ve never called you ANYTHING. When have I called anyone a “benighted sheep”? Or called another poster a liar? Why do you keep attacking me rather than addressing my points? Ahhhgghhh… getting dragged into flame war against my will. Must resist. I’ve posted the facts, & explained how JKR’s post is incorrect and misleading. And, yes, a lie. I’m done. You got your wish, budb, I’ll shut up and go away.

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Great comments em.

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Like I said, its your problem. Stay or go as you wish. You avoid the question I asked, which most assuredly was not a personal attack but rather born out of intellectual curiousity.

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@em – I’m typing very slowly for you. Perhaps you will read slowly than take time to think. Items that appear in a newspaper aren’t necessarily true. In fact, false stories frequently end up being repeated by paper after paper. Seeing it in a newspaper doesn’t make it true. Agreed, I thought Cara had seen actual legal dcouments, but if she is also relying on news accounts then..eh. But if you haven’t seen court documents than..eh. You shouldn’t accuse people of lying when you don’t know the truth yourself. It makes you look hypocritical.

What seems undisputed is that the judge didn’t award damages but he did warn the festival people not to do this again. Sounds like there must have been some infringement.

Perhaps you should cool off and re-read some things. Then look at both sides and see if they are really LYING, or simply seeing the truth from their point of view.

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wondering,

as always, a calm and patient voice of reason….have some chocolate ;-)

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@budb – To satify your intellectual curiosity: Because I am a fan who bought the novels, and then read something that I believe is not true. If JKR posted “the sky is green”, you wouldn’t post to say that seems wrong? And people could then yell & say you’re “ruining the discussion” by posting a different opinion?

@wondering – also posting very slowly. I think it’s clear that some things that JKR posted are incorrect. I don’t deny that there was a technical infringemnent – I’m contradicting the specific statements she’s made. For example, her claim that this wasn’t part of a religious celebration. ALL reports, and the parties themselves, agree that the WB/JKR sued the organizers of the Durja Puja religious festival. So, that’s incorrect. Likewise, her statement that they didn’t seek damages is contradicted in every news report. Her outrage at the 2 million rupees claim seems misplaced since the WB/JKR did seek monetary compensation, which the judge denied. Her claim (or implication) that the festival was done for profit is contradicted by the judge’s own ruling. So, these are clear misstatements. Whether it’s a LIE, or simply INCORRECT, is something people can decide on their own. Maybe JKR’s just repeating what she’s heard & doesn’t know the judge’s actual ruling, or that the defendants were actually the festival organizers. That’s possible. Or maybe she does know the truth, but is spinning it & misleading people. That’s possible too. I can’t say with confidence that she’s lying; that’s just my opinion. But I think I can say that she’s INCORRECT. Because her statements about the nature of the festival, and the attempt to seek compensation, are contradicted by every single news account & the judge’s own opinion.

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Whether in the Lexicon discussions, which you read and contributed to, em, or here, or elsewhere, my position has consistently been to ask everyone to show courtesy to one another and have a discussion. Both you and Cara raised points (no one knows but me what I think, I’d point out), both backed those with links and citations…but both of you were getting frustrated, and it showed. That’s where one of the better disagreements that Leaky has had in a long time went off track.

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Since neither of you can produce any legal papers, only several articles from the newspapers, JKR’s statement can’t be verified as either a lie or the truth.

Personally, I believe JKR is smart enough so she doesn’t write lies on her website. If what you are insinuating, em, would be the case, then I believe JKR would simply be quiet about it and wouldn’t try to explain.

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Em-

As a twelve-year-old girl, I don’t know much about legal issues. But I am quite possitive JK Rowling isn’t lying to us. Why? 1) Because I trust in her, even if you disagree that I have reason to, I believe she is 100% worthy of my trust. 2) I’m not sure where you get your information, either. I haven’t read all of your posts, so forgive me if you’ve already given out links and such, but where does it come off that she’s directly lying to us? 3) (And this isn’t relevant to JK Rowling, just your reasonings) If you dislike JK Rowling or just don’t want to be a fan anymore, why can’t you find the information but keep it to yourself? I personally am upset by your lack of respect for a woman like Jo.

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em : “Whether it’s a LIE, or simply INCORRECT, is something people can decide on their own. Maybe JKR’s just repeating what she’s heard & doesn’t know the judge’s actual ruling, or that the defendants were actually the festival organizers. That’s possible. Or maybe she does know the truth, but is spinning it & misleading people. That’s possible too. I can’t say with confidence that she’s lying; that’s just my opinion. But I think I can say that she’s INCORRECT.”

That’s it : As you can’t prove J Rowlingis a deliberate liar, it would have been both correct (socally speaking) and correct (on thez side of the “facts” to suppose she could be incorrect in some of her statements.

How could discussions work if facts are mixed with opinions?

And when an opinion is insulting or discrediting for someone (like JKR), it really ruins the discussion. Exchange of opinions is not discussion. Discussion begins when we can discuss facts.

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@Em

What about the option that she’s RIGHT or NOT lying?

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Sorry, my precedent post itself too quick ! So I repost a better version…

em : “Whether it’s a LIE, or simply INCORRECT, is something people can decide on their own. Maybe JKR’s just repeating what she’s heard & doesn’t know the judge’s actual ruling, or that the defendants were actually the festival organizers. That’s possible. Or maybe she does know the truth, but is spinning it & misleading people. That’s possible too. I can’t say with confidence that she’s lying; that’s just my opinion. But I think I can say that she’s INCORRECT.”

That’s it : As you can’t prove J Rowling is a deliberate liar, it would have been both correct (socially speaking) and correct (on the side of the “facts”) to say only that she could have been incorrect in some of her statements.

How could discussions works if facts are mixed with opinions?

And when an opinion is insulting or discrediting for someone (like JKR), it really ruins the discussion. To call somebody “liar” is discrediting the person. (All opinions are not good to express, because of the impact they may have on the other person. We have to live in society, and not as individuals who could express themselves without thinking about the effects of their words on others.)

And in my vision of discussion, exchange of opinions is not discussion. real (and interesting!) discussion begins when we can discuss facts.

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Annia, just a side note, since I am not certain you saw my previous thanks posted elsewhere. Thank you for that information on the HP blog in France! It was thoughtful of you to share that, and I appreciated it!

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Regarding the 2 million rupees: Yes, a claim of monetary damages amounting to 2 million rupees was made by WB’s attorneys. This was, as JKR outlined in her post, necessary due to a legal technicality requiring a claim of monetary damages before the case could be admitted to court. Once the case had been filed, however, WB was free to waive the right to collect the monetary damages, which according to JKR, is what WB did. So, to put it in simple terms, you’re confusing the prerequisite claim of monetary damages with an actual intent on WB’s part to collect the said monetary damages. The two are not the same thing, and you need to realize that before you start accusing JKR of dishonesty.

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Right, we’ve all established that I am a horrible horrible person. Thanks.

I have one simple question, which no one has answered. JKR said “theirs was not a religious celebration. ... The event was, however, set up while a Hindu festival was going on.” The actual defendants are the organizers of that Hindu religious celebration. NO ONE has disputed that. JKR must know that. So, when she says that the defendants were not part of a religious festival, how is that not a lie?

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the candy bowl is on the kitchen counter, y’all help yourselves to the chocolate, see you another time

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Anyone else have the feeling that “Meredith” and “em” is the same person??

Just wondering.

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Nope, I don’t think JKR is Voldemort, though I am starting to think that she’s a Slytherin at heart. Again, she says that the defendant’s event wasn’t part of the Hindu religious festival, while actually suing the organizers of the Hindu religious festival. I can’t see any way that her website statement can be true.

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Em, hun, you don’t like being lied to you need to get the hell off the internet!

This fandom is hysterical! And by hysterical, I mean nuts 95% of the time.

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@em – You actually seem more intelligent than Meredith, you have an opinion which you have vigorously defended. You have sources – which may or may not be reliable. You have not resorted to bashing and name calling. I do think you read a little too much into some statements…a little too much “I think what you really mean” rather than confining your post to what’s actually written. That’s why I asked you to rethink. Regarding the religious festival…some of the sources actually claim that the producers were a local non-profit group that was “doing it for the children.” There were conflicting reports as to whether it was to entertain the kids or raise funds for neighborhood charities. It may have taken place at the festival but not been part of the religious rite. I, not understanding this culture, have a difficult time trying to grasp how you incorporate a giant Hogwarts castle into a religious rite. One poster compared it to the Macy’s parade, sort of a float type deal. Would you consider the Macy’s parade a religious festival? It has Christian origins and that Santa Claus fellow. Perhaps one person’s religious rite is another’s Macy’s parade. Again, a difference of viewpoint not a lie. I am reminded of a case with which I was once involved. Some locals tortured and killed chickens. They claimed it was a religious ceremony- we cited anti-cruelty laws. We won.

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To all the disgruntled Indian HP fans – please go home and burn all your pirated HP books, that’ll teach her!

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Uh oh…Hasn’t she learned anything? The next headline we’re gonna see is ‘Potter’ Author To Write Diet Book

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em and meredith – do you seriously think that the guys who run the HP lexicon want you trolling for them like this? It’s not doing any favours for your cause. :)

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Don’t come down on em because she gives her opinion and also backs it up with links. I moderate on a HP discussion forum and the majority are now coming down against JKR. I will always love the books, but the author is becoming more and more unlikeable and yes, I also believe she is dishonest.

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Reading these comments is a serious case of train-wreck syndrome for me… I know that there’s no reason for me to read them and they just make me angry, and yet I cannot look away.

EVERY TIME I think clearer heads are going to prevail, and someone comes up with something reasoned and logical and diplomatic, someone else comes in with guns blazing so to speak and posts comments full of insults. I think part of what gets me is that a lot of these insults are directed at JK herself, and she’s not here to defend herself! I hate seeing people insulted when they can’t argue back. (Yes, she’s famous, she’s bound to get insulted lots, I know. It still bugs me.) And some of it is just the sheer bloody-mindedness of some of the commenters. Argh! Will the wank never cease?

The HP Drama Song, in case you’re interested (based on the comments here re: RDR vs WB & JKR):

http://wings-on-water.livejournal.com/6775.html

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Em-

I don’t think you’re a horrible person, just to clear that up. I am, however, wondering why you bother. Yes, you’ve said you don’t like being lied to, and that is perfectly valid. But, why do you bother coming here and getting abused for it? It’s quite obvious that some people here would prefer you gone (not including me—I like a good discussion, with opposite view points) so why do you stay?

I’d also like to know where you get some of your information. Most of your arguement seems to be based on your own opinions and your own logic, but if you have facts and links to prove them, could you post them here, please?

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Hi Grace. No, I don’t like being lied to. And I think it’s an interesting phenomenon when people circle to throw stones at someone who says something that they do not want to hear. It’s attack the messenger all the way, since I haven’t yet seen someone actually dispute my points.

As to why I bother – in real life, I’m a copy editor. Facts, accuracy and truth are important to me. And I know that a team of editors check, verify, and proofread every article that is published in a newspaper. There’s a whole system that’s been set up to ensure that mainstream newspaper articles are accurate and factual. And here, all the newspaper articles are consistent, and they all contradict JKR’s website statement. It bothers me that one person can just randomly post something on their site and have that taken as gospel above all the independent news articles. Her statement wasn’t fact-checked, or edited, or proof-read, or sourced, before she decided to post it. So JKR could say anything; she could claim the sky is green, and there’s no editor there to first fact-check that statement. And that’s fine; she has a right to post anything she wants. But, if she’s trying to say that all the published news reports are wrong, I need to see some sources & support for that statement, which she hasn’t provided. JKR has a major bully pulpit with her site, and many devoted fans who will believe 100% whatever she says. So it bothers me that she appears to be using her site as a kind of PR effort to prop up her image, while not actually providing any proof that the newspaper reports were wrong.

She says that the articles were retracted, but I haven’t seen a single retraction so far. So, is she lying? Is she being dishonest? Perhaps she’s just spinning the case? Or maybe her statement is 100% accurate? We don’t know, but we can’t just take her word for it, IMO. Especially since she’s a totally biased party here who was actually the plaintiff in the lawsuit. That’s why I looked for the newspaper reports about the case to find out the facts. And the published facts contradict her statement. Sure, maybe one paper made a mistake, but all of them? I’ve posted the newspaper links in a previous comment, so you can read the articles & decide for yourself.

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I do see your point. One thing, though—she wasn’t a plaintiff in the case. Actually, she was on the document as the author and owner of Harry Potter, not as a plaintiff, I believe. I personally don’t think she lied, and maybe that is just a blind faith in her, but I prefer to trust her over the media. That’s just my personal opinion, you probably don’t agree with it, but that’s how it is for me. Also, I doubt her post was completely un-edited. She doesn’t run the site herself, so I would assume that someone else helps her post her comments. So chances are, someone looked over it first. If it WAS a incorrect, I almost have to wonder how much J.K. Rowling was involved in the case. It seemed that WB was the one taking care of it.

Anyway, forgive me if I am misinformed on this. I haven’t been following the case quite as avidly as most readers here…Also, the fact that I’m just a crazed thirteen-year-old HP fanatic might have made my opinions quite biased!

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@Britannia, The Titanic pandal made by F-D Block in Kolkata, was based on the adapted movie, and it included a sort of movie gallery inside. I’m a regular visitor to this perticular club which made this, as their pandals are always beautiful. I’m seen Hogwarts this year, and I didn’t seem to recall the fact that the said potter related things were being torn down for this reason. The fest was over, so naturally it was torn down coz, they, are not PERMANENT.
Also, there is a news i wanted to share. Don’t know if it’s already been said, but the author of Harry Potter, has been nominated in the category of FAVOURITE ICON, in the POGO Kids Choice Awards 2007. An INDIAN Tele channel.
To know more, goto www.pogo.tv. This only goes to show, that even when we respect her, she shows her back to us.
As for me, I’m an EX-Harry Potter Author Fan.

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I LOVE JO

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‘That’s why I looked for the newspaper reports about the case to find out the facts’

Because, as we all know, newspapers never misrepresent information and they CERTAINLY never have an agenda.

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anything Jo writes will make millions, even is it is a diet book.

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sorry didn’t finished, what i was writing, above. Anything Jo writes will make million, even if it is a diet book. O O I want one! lol

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“Her statement wasn’t fact-checked, or edited, or proof-read, or sourced, before she decided to post it.”

How do you know this for a fact? How do you know she doesn’t have someone edit the site for her? How do you know she hasn’t checked her facts, checked with her lawyers? That’s right, you don’t. It’s just your opinion, not the truth. Everyone else can admit that they only have their opinion, why can’t you? IMHO, you come across as just another bitter fan with just another axe to grind, not The Amazing Seeker Of Truth that you want to come across as.

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It’s rather amusing that the hard core sycophants can’t even conceive of other humans or fans having different opinions than they do. Oh, no, those with different views must be trolls or RDR employees or heaven help us “communists”. (And you’re telling people to go away? Go back to the 1950’s. Senator McCarthy’s got a job for you.) The sprinkling of anti-Indian comments was just an extra touch of leaky!class in this discussion.

Anyway, speaking of Jo lying recently, there was some of that going on with the whole Dumbledore is gay issue as well. Remember all the reporters pushing her on why now? Why are you revealing it now? She said because she was asked straight out. Not true. She was asked if Dumbledore ever found love, not if he was gay. Second, she said she’d never been asked that before but since she was asked at the school, she answered. Watch her appearance on Blue Peter the day before the Deathly Hallows release or look up the transcript on Accio Quote. A little girl asked her the same exact question. She didn’t say he was gay then.

The fact is Jo is far from perfect. She has flaws like everyone else. Some people don’t like some of the things she says or does (usually involving lying, litigiousness, control issues, or the bit of a mean streak that flares up at times). They may or may not still like her in general. Same for the books. The name calling of people who want to openly discuss this stuff is just childish. Also, it won’t work.

Lastly, I would also rather read updates related to her writing, instead of these legal spin bulletins. Or perhaps she could tell us about one of her other hobbies besides litigation. I’m always up for hearing about people’s dogs, for example.

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I share most of your opinions about the form of the discussion, Serious: calling people “RDR” or “communists” is not very usefull to the debates, but is helping to lost the matter and the facts.

But if “trolls” (which are existing and acting on forums, see the Wikipedia definition) are really suspected, I think we could ask (politely) the question! But let us not forget car calling somebody “troll” is a “heavy” accusation…

About facts, now: I don’t agree with your critic of JKR revelation “Dumbledore is gay”. First, I think that is an answer to the question about Dumbledore’s experiences with love matters.

Serious: “Watch her appearance on Blue Peter the day before the Deathly Hallows release or look up the transcript on Accio Quote. A little girl asked her the same exact question. She didn’t say he was gay then.”

Second: She could’nt answer anything about Dumbledore life then, before the release. I’m glad she didn’t, it would have spoiled the Book 7 for me.

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to budb, side note too: Thanks for your thanks! I didn’t come back to that French Lawyer Blog,which was discussing the JKR versus SVA RDR case (maître eolas Blog). I am waiting for the “next move” of the parties… (or hoping there will be no other move ?!)

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@em About ten years ago, a History Professor in which he claimed extensive research showed that very few early American owned guns. He referenced letter, journals, wills, household lsitings, etc. from the 1700’s. Articles and interviews ran in every newspaper and magazine. This was BIG NEWS (second amendment, don’cha know).

Forward a few months, and some academic investigation. After much controversy, professor admits to fabricating entire book. This makes few news outlets – even while his book continues to be cited in newspaper articles.

Want more? Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, Jack Kelley and Janet Conlin(I’m not sure about this last name.) All were big time journalists. Two won Pulitzers. All “facts” that were checked and re-checked were lies, complete fiction.

If you truly value truth and clarity, you cannot accuse someone of lying when you have nothing more than second-hand accounts. In fact, since JKR is a participant and witness to all of this, she should be viewed as the most reliable source. (Yes, even though she has a motive for bias.) Articles and reports of reports are not as trustworthy. This is basic journalism. An earlier poster already explained how journalists use the wire service so…

You are vehement about your distaste for being lied to. You should be as vigilant not to lie yourself. You have read two differing accounts and decided that you (through some unknown power) can determine the truth. Anyone who doesn’t take your word is a sycophant, toady etc. Hmmmm.

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‘If you truly value truth and clarity, you cannot accuse someone of lying when you have nothing more than second-hand accounts. In fact, since JKR is a participant and witness to all of this, she should be viewed as the most reliable source.’
@wondering: What would you say for those people in India, including me, who have actually seen the Hogwarts thing, and talked to the people behind it, and, unlike MANY here, KNOW WHY AND UNDER WHICH CIRCUMSTANCES this court proceeds were carried out?
I take it the author says she has been the witness. Fine, but when it comes to believing, whom would you believe in? Her alone, or the many people who saw it, made it, and know they were doing it for the sake of fest? You’d certainly believe the former, since neither of you are from India.
‘If you truly value truth and clarity, you cannot accuse someone of lying when you have nothing more than second-hand accounts. In fact, since JKR is a participant and witness to all of this, she should be viewed as the most reliable source.’~ I suggest asking the makers, and people living in the said area, as they are a more reliant source as most of them were there, during court proceedings.
You are right. For truth-seekers, it’s better to see the truth yourself, than follow the papers for it.
But again, your not Indian. So, naturally, you’d believe the one who says it all to you. And no matter, how much I, or any fellow Indian, would say, you’d believe, otherwise.
Of all the posts here, I’ve always liked your sayings, as you always ask for the Truth.
One truth I’d like to share, which though means nothing to any of you, but means a lot to me, is that~
All I’m basically trying to do is stand up for my country. Someone said or done something, knowingly or unknowingly, and instead, twisted her story according to her assumptions. To fit her dress right.
And still if all this is of no value, then I’m forced to conclude, that people here, are all of like-minds. Indians will be Indians; Else will be Else. There is no such thing as unity in diversity. Thank you.

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@aaTmaHira: I would certainly listen to and consider the first-hand reports from the organizers/builders of the Hogwarts castle who were actually in the courtroom. I would give those reports the same weight that I give JKR’s account. They too, are right there and involved. But, once removed reports (even if that once-removed comes from you) are less reliable. You are in a very different position since you can get first hand accounts from everyone involved. I agree that I cannot speak to the Indian representatives first-hand.

If you would like to know what I believe, just my opinion…I think that someone/group built a Hogwarts Castle not realizing that there were trademark issues. I think (since trademarks are legally fragile) WB and JKR filed suit because they were mainly interested in protecting the trademark. I think the judge realized that the builders meant no harm. His order ensured that the castle would be dismantled after the festival; he told the builders to be more careful in the future. He sent WB away without money but with their trademark legally protected. Everyone got a win.

I don’t see any part of this story as an attack on India. Perhaps I am unaware but prejudice against India and Indians is not rampant in the part of the US in which I live.

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First, Ginny Weasley, age and good common sense are not necessarily linked, and at 13 you demonstrate sound common sense, as well as the ability to read critically and to present a logical argument. Keep up the good work!

Second, aaTmaHira, if you mean that many here in the US (or the Americas more generally) are generally uninformed and even ignorant about contemporary India and its cultures, I think we’d all agree…even the best intentioned and comparatively well informed of us will admit to that fact. But, I agree with wondering, I have seen very few hints of any type of prejudice in the US against either immigrants from India or toward the nation of India.

Third, Annia and others are right…we should stop with the Troll stuff as well as other forms of name calling. It serves no purpose, really, and just makes the discussions unpleasant. Please, unless you have proof and can provide it, don’t label others.

and wondering, I think you hit the key issue earlier in your response to a stubborn poster. We could respect all the work that individual did in uncovering published information, and appreicate that the information was shared with us. As for calling JKR a liar deliberately out to mislead the fans, we recognize that assertion as exaggerated and unfounded. But what really got me was the follow up, that those who did not agree with the unfounded assertion were then either also liars, or willfully misled sheep. A shame things got so far out of hand, since I thought the swapping of conflicting information actually was interesting—until frustrations won out.

The rest reminded me a bit of a scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail: “Help, look, I’m being oppressed!”

PS: Here, have some chocolate. It helps. ;-)

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OH NO!!! I’m so sorry you got it all wrong!!


I take back what I've said coz I didn't mean it to be thrusted against US! I was talking abt UK. US is my Fav. and i'd rather die than pose anything against it!
My cousin lives in US and to me, there's no place better!
I was mainly talking abt UK, and where the author lives. My whole pledge, was in address to UK and people living there who generally support the author (unknowingly, there's no harm).
Peace Out :[\/]:
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Hey!!!! How come my fonts became that small????

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No problem, aaTmaHira—one of the best things about the Leaky fanbase is that its scattered so widely, and we get views from all over the place. You should be aware tho that here in the States there is a stunning ignorance (sometimes willfully and stubbornly ignorant!) about the rest of the world, even the UK and western Europe. I know there has been prejudice and discrimination in the UK in the past toward immigrants, but I am not quite certain about the situation today.

Oh, I want to travel more!!!!!! ;-)

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Thanks budb. I acknowledge your thoughts! :)

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When I first read about this a few weeks ago, I thought it felt more than a LITTLE out of character for a woman who has given so much to so many charities and shown genuine compassion for those in need. After reading this, I’m infinitely relieved to hear that the accusations were completely false and twisted.

It’s sad that the general media cares more about making a buck than the truth. Or someone’s feelings.

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