Ah well, there is no point trying to talk about it in the face of “CUARON FOR DH!!!!! CUARON FOR DH!!!!!” I have certainly been told!!

But just a point…the books and the movies may be two different things but it is the same story, the one told by the books and interpreted by the movies. To fail to convey the essence of story —including the plot——appropriately is a problem. Cuaron in ALL CAPS or not had some major problems in Prisoner. How can anyone who is concerned about Dobby being left out fail to notice that Cuaron. (or CUARON!!!!!!!) kinda forgot to include the whole Marauders story./..which could easily have been told if he had cut out his Cuaronisms like the toad choir, the bird eating, the silly candy, the big swoop at the end. Take out the stuff he added and you have room for what JKR wrote….

I fully understand that people who love him are not going to change any more than I am. But I am just ornery enough to interrupt a Cuaron or rather, CUARON!!!! praise-fest to point out that some of us out here are of the opinion that he pretty well butchered the story of the Prisoner of Azkaban and didn’t find him so very wonderful. ;0) (I could stick out my tongue but I figure a wink and a grin keep it friendlier….)

TrustSnape:

I see that you thought I was directing my earlier “You’re all wrong. :P ” comment at you and you alone. A reasonable assumption, I see now, since I posted it directly after your first comment. But that was not my intention. I was actually addressing the comment to everyone, Cuaron-fans and -haters alike: “all of you are wrong.” It was an attempt at humor, you see.

So, to everyone here: enjoy continuing to beat your respective heads against the unyielding wall that is the Cuaron debate! It seems to make you all happy, and I am not one to deny happiness to those who seek it.

Oh, and by the way: :P

To TrustSnape: Okay they didn’t add the whole Marauders story but OOTP, they didn’t put the snape’s worst memory which revealed that James potter wasn’t as innocent as harry thought. if you are angry at cuaron for not including the marauders story then you should also be angry at david yate for doing this as well(snape’s worse memory). you’re being too picky on the changes. you said the movie and the book are the two different things, but the story is the same, well if POA angered you then you should feel the same way for OOTP. Both movie didn’t follow the story, in fact the last three movie didn’t follow the story but they captured the spirit of the story. You guys need to understand that the movie should and will be different from the book. As long as it capture the spirit of the story then it’s fine. That’s why i can’t understand why there are people who dislike POA. POA is the only one that i got emotionally involved and the soundtrack was amazing, OOTP and GOF doesn’t come closer. my hope has come true, john william will be doing the score for DH. Now the last hope is…...CUARON FOR DH!!!, CUARON FOR DH!!!

i also wanted to speak about the ending of POA. Like alot of people at first i didn’t think it ended well(but overall i liked the movie) but since then i really like the ending, why? well, let me explain. the ending showed harry flying off with the broom that sirius black gave to him. the last scene froze with him smiling in delight. It showed how happy he was, this symbolized harry last happy moment, that every thing was alright but as you know in book four, harry’s childhood was about to end. From book four till the last series, the ending has away been a sad ending or harry facing evil ahead. POA’s ending showed Harry’s last happy childhood, and it seemed like things might be going fine since he saved sirius’s life and buckbeak. the books from then on was sad ending and the movie of course match this ending which was sombering. So Cuaron was not crazy at all in ending the movie that way. As i wrote earlier, it will be the last time that harry would be happy before people that he was close with would die.

This may not be the best place to do this, but-in relation to Emma’s acting- I want to recall some passages from Chap. 23 of GOF:

”...When she spoke, her voice quivered…” [p. 422]

”...said Hermione, looking outraged…”

”...said Hermione hotly.”

“Hermione jumped to her feet and stormed off across the dance floor…”

“Harry…found Ron and Hermione having a blazing row…they were bellowing at each other, each scarlet in the face. ’...you know what the solution is, don’t you?’ yelled Hermione…her face was screwed up in anger…’Next time there’s a ball, ask me before someone else does, and not as a last resort!’...Hermione turned on her heel and stormed up the girl’s staircase to bed.” [p. 432]

{page references to American edition}

My opinion is that Emma hit this scene bang on.

Aha, so now I see that when you try to use dashes to set off a phrase for emphasis-like this-it posts as a STRIKE-THROUGH instead, and not as a dash. I was wondering why we see so many of those!

M Jones, I agree that Daniel has shown improvement but other then that i still totally dissagree with you i’m afraid. He’s to posh, his hair isn’t messy enough, he’s not tall enough either to pull off a character like Harry Potter. And in general i don’t think he’ll be able to pull of the next 2 films like AT ALL. He’s going to ruin Deathly Hallows for me I think. As for Emma, she CANNOT act at all i’m sorry if you dissagree but its a fact not an opinion. She overacts, looks at the camera way to much and in general just isn’t in the moment. You can tell she’s thinking way too much. Its very obvious to see that she does not practice or even make an effort.

“You guys need to understand that the movie should and will be different from the book.”

Ooooo K. Why? ‘Cause I think YOU guys need to understand that these movies don’t need any additional “vision” or “artistic genus” . JKR’s alone does quiet well thank you.

“As long as it capture the spirit of the story then it’s fine.”

And exactly how did that shrunken head capture the spirit of the story???? How did turning Tom into Igor capture the spirit of the story. How did that tree killing birds capture the spirit? How did shaving the werewolf capture it?

But all that sure as heck made it different from the book. Best book, worst movie.

And arguing that Yates is as bad as Cuaron does not make Cuaron better. Here is the thing about Yates and Cuaron. They both subtract and sometimes you have to in order to make the big books fit (Cuaron had a little book tho). But Cuaron subtracted more than he needed to and then he ADDED and it’s his addition of his own special Cuaronisms that become really distracting and annoying. I could have lived with his attempts to be all artistic and deep if he had not added such silly, useless props and changed things and people that didn’t need changing.

Oh and Bandersnatch if you want to stick your tongue out at us collective, we probably need it! :P back at you

But I just love jerking CUARON!!! chains….. ;0)

Kerrie, pretty much every comment on here is OPINION, not FACT. To suggest that what you state is fact, as opposed to someone who disagrees with you, is plain arrogance.

Still, I think the best time to judge if the Trio can really make a successful career of acting is in about a decade’s time when they’ve all played a variety of roles, especially adult roles.

TrustSnape, JK loved those talking heads and said she wished she’d written those into the book, lol. She has also said that she understands that the “books are the books, and the films are the films”. I think book purists are often far more intolerant of changes to film adaptations than the authors – just ask LOTR and His Dark Materials fans. Maybe it’s easier not to expect too much from the films, then you won’t be as disappointed.

trustsnape, i think Alfonsos a great director and I liked that he turned Tom into Igor, it was funny, the other directors didn’t bother doing funny stuff like that. Thats why i like Alfonso, for his dark humour, which is very appropriate to Harry Potter if you ask me.

ZEE: I’m not trying to be arrogant and i know everyone has their own opinion, but in my opinion I think anyone who thinks Emma Watson is a good actress needs their eyes chekced lol. Honestly, she should be much better for her age don’t u think? I know little children who are more beleivable at acting. I’m not trying to insult anyone or anything I just think its very obvious to see. I take acting lessons and i honestly think everyone in my beginners acting class is better then her. Again, she looks at the camera too much (thats not my opinion thats a face plain to see) and she moves her eyebrows too much (also not opinion, fact). Its not her fault, i’m sure she’s a lovely person, maybe she’s not getting the right direction or the script is really hard to work with i don’t know I’m just stating facts. I did think she was ok in POA though, Alfonso rocks as a director and he actually made Hermione more…hermione-like. So in conclusion Zee, I would not say something so arogant if i did not beleive 100% that it was true fact and not opinion.

Yes, Emma does move her eyebrows a lot, and no, I’ve never noticed her looking at the camera. But watch Miranda Richardson in GOF, and even Imelda Staunton to a lesser extent in OOTP – they move their eyebrows quite a bit too. Some people have very expressive faces, others don’t. So it really DOES depend on how you interpret things.

The Trio have all had good and bad reviews for their acting over all 5 films so far, and that shows you that opinion is varied. I respect your right to believe that Dan and Emma can’t act because that is your opinion. You must also respect other people’s right to disagree, because that is their opinion.

Zee thanks for respecting my opinion (even though i consider it to be fact), and I definatley respect other people’s opinions. I guess some people out there have to think dan and emma are good actors or they still wouldn’t be in the films but a LOT of HP fans I know agree with me just to let you know. Its sad really because i’m the biggest HP fan ever I love the books sooo much and I feel that the films have been ruined by the Dan and Emma. I’m not even looking forward to Half Blood Prince at all anymore because with every movie I get more dissapointed. Does anyone want to start a petetion to get Alfonso to direct DH? email me at babes412@gmail.com if you do.

Actually Zee, I just want to say, even though i respect your opinion, would you not agree that someone being a good actor is not a matter of opinion at all? Either they are a good actor or they are not, either they have the talent or they don’t. Its not a matter of opinion. Thats why I beleive i’m right. One person cannot think someones great at acting and another thinks their crap, it doesn’t make any sense. One person cannot be blind to talent while another person sees it, that doesn’t make sense at all. Either they can act or they can’t I don’t understant how you can dissagree on something like that because its not to do with opinion.

wow, this kerrie individual is incredibly rude!