Rowling, Radcliffe and Watson Ranked in Forbes Celebrity 100 List

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Jun 15, 2007

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Forbes.com has released their annual list of the most powerful celebrities, “The Celebrity 100.” Based on many factors including: web hits, press clippings, and television coverage, as well as pay, this years list includes our favorite author J. K. Rowling and Harry Potter actors Dan Radcliffe (Harry Potter) and Emma Watson (Hermione Granger). Ms. Rowling comes in at number 48 on the list, with Dan and Emma ranking 79th and 97th place, respectively.

Thanks to Meghan, doclucky and abaum for emailing in!





118 Responses to Rowling, Radcliffe and Watson Ranked in Forbes Celebrity 100 List

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Yay! Go Jo! Although I don’t know if she pays attention to these things anymore :p I won’t even bother commenting on Dan and Emma cause my experience tells me that people are going to get pretty nasty about them. Just remember that they’re just kids guys.

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Congratulations JK Rowling! You really deserve it! Congratulations to Dan and Emma as well!

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WOW nice achivement for Dan and Emma..I think we knew JKR was in this list, but good for Emma and Dan to make this list for the first time, and this is not only base on money but also on web hit, media interest, TYV coverage, etc…Dan and Emma fan base outside the fandom is growing fast!!

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How is JK only at #48? Surely she should be higher than that especially since with her new book coming out? How much did she rank before? I don’t understand why she’s so low.

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i have a question…why do harry and hermione…(dan and emma) get so much more attention over ron? I not that i’m not happy but aren’t they a trio…do u think he is upset by this?

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Cece, because people love them and are into them, it is because they are getting poweful celebrities by the year, it also has to do with how many people outside the HP world are interested on them, it seems that there are a lot of people that care more about Dan and Emma than Rupert.

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Dan gets so much more a movie then Emma. He must be set for life with like one movie.

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Congrats to JKR, Dan and Emma.

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BUT the real story is: no one cares.

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Congratulations! Yeah, poor Rupert, but then again it does suit Ron. =P

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congrats to Dan and especially Jo (I am suprised she is so low on the ranking too) I’m not suprised with Dan on there being Harry and Alan Strang….but Emma? no offence but she really hasn’t done much has she? (I don’t usually keep up with this stuff…but I haven’t heard much come out of her) I just don’t get how she got that much publicity. I dunno it’s beyond me.

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Yay JKR! Dan…okay, understandable. He’s a cool guy. But Emma? Ew, no thank you.

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Well, I submitted these news but since they haven’t posted them, here it goes: The Borders newsletter which I am subscribed to, has some videos from an HP ‘book club’ that happened during Phoenix Rising, and which included our favorite trio; the PotterCast trio that it! see it here: http://www.bordersmedia.com/harrypotter/bookclub/default.asp

Enjoy! :-D

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Jo deserves it. Dan. I’m not surprised. But why does Emma get so much attention? Has anyone noticed that even in the movies she gets more screentime than Rupert? This is actually one of the reasons they movies disappoint me so much. Ron is my favorite character and I feel like his character has been robbed in the movies by giving Hermione more time and attention. Plus lots of Ron’s really good lines that make his character in the book are left out. It annoys me.

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Hmm. Dan and Rupert have both done movies, and Emma’s done a bunch of photoshoots. And yet Emma, not Rupert, is up there? Injustice, anyone?

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I certainly understand why Jo is on this list. It’s a nice surprise to see Dan, though I can understand him making it because of all the hoopla caused by his incredible (and naked) performance in Equus; it’s all the media could talk about for weeks.

But what in the world has Emma done to be on the Forbes list? All she has done is Harry Potter and posed in a few photos. Her pay is not that impressive. Why is she one this list?

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Naria Rupert does not have the star power that Dan and Emma has, media love Dan and Emma, internet hits meaning fans search for then which increases their celeb power, covers in mag, Dan at least appears every week in those teen mags and now in days in adult mag too GQ, Emma has appear in covers, Rupert earns are almost as Emma, maybe a bit more than Emma for DL but no much since is an Indy movie, Rupert lacks of star power out of the HP fandom, it is the reality that many fans don’t want to accept but regular Joes are not interested on Rupert’s career.

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Congratulations to everyone, but I do feel sorry for Rupert. In my opinion, he is the best actor of the trio (but we haven’t seen Dan in OotP, and he allegedly did a good job in Equus). And while Emma is a beautiful girl, she has yet to do another film. While Dan, Emma, and Rupert are all very talented, it’s odd how Dan and Emma get all the attention and Rupert doesn’t. I really hope that in the near future Rupert gets to show is ability and act in another film. It may be that he doesn’t have the normal “look” that stars seem to need, though. I always thought Rupert should have been nominated for those “best young actor” awards, but it has always been Dan and Emma. Oh, well, what are you going to do. (Major congrats to J.K. though, look where she came from and where she is now! Can’t wait for book 7! Bye.)

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This is great news Congrats JKR you should of had this long time ago. Keep up the work.

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I guess Will people don’t think like you on the talent point of view…and is not “allegedly” he WAS GREAT in Equus, he is by far the best of the trio, that’s why Dan has the nominations and not Rupert.

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Good for the HP series, JKR rules, and I’m glad Dan and Emma made it to this list, more power to them!

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“Jo deserves it. Dan. I’m not surprised. But why does Emma get so much attention? Has anyone noticed that even in the movies she gets more screentime than Rupert? This is actually one of the reasons they movies disappoint me so much. Ron is my favorite character and I feel like his character has been robbed in the movies by giving Hermione more time and attention. Plus lots of Ron’s really good lines that make his character in the book are left out. It annoys me.” I couldn’t agree more. Rupert has always been kind of quiet during interviews and stuff too. I can’t figure out if he is just quieter than Emma or if Emma is just pulled to the front because she is the only girl, but I really would like to see more of Rupert. It feels off balance.

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We all know why JK is on the list, and Dan has his earnings/media coverage b/c of equus. The reason why Emma is on the list is because she probably is searched for more on the web, more people are interested in her and has more of media following. It’s not only earnings that get people on the Forbes List. Also, Emma is a pretty girl, and we all know what freaks look for on the internet…..

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Ugh, fangirls! I wonder what excuse they’d have had Emma actually done another film. . . .

Anyway, congrats to all three. It kind of sucks that Rupert was left out, but that’s the way it goes.

See that? I expressed my feelings without childishness.

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Im glad there are others who feel sorry for Rup. Thats the first thing that I thought when I saw this. I guess he gets left out bc Dan is the main guy and Hermione (being the only central character girl from a movie pov) is the leading lady. Its like on the teencosmo that just came out. All 3 were interviewed but just Dan and Emma were on the cover. If I were Rup I would be upset and a little embarassed over that, but I hope he isn’t.

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Well Rupert is a boring actor to look at, and the media does NOT care about him, fans outside the fandom don’t care about him, and a good way to measure this is how badly DL floped. Rupert is a good actor but he is not someone that people are crazy about, dan has showed how good he can do as a solo actor outside the HP franchise not only getting great reviews for his amazing acting as Alan but also getting full house every night he performed in Equus, also he didn wonders in the rating when he appeared on the show “Extras:, that right there shows Dan has star power. Emma got a lot of coverage for not been sure if going back to the HP series and when she announced her signing for the last two movies, she escore a lot of photoshots by different well known mag along with Dan but Rupert after so much showing himself on TV doing comedy competition for charity, going to awards (BAFTA), going to premiers for other movies and after the so call HUGE promotion for DL I was thinking that he was going to get a bit of star power but it looks like he did not, he is well known and love among the HP fans but when it comes to regular moviegoers they pretty much don’t care about him, these moviegoers are more into Dan and Emma than Rupert.

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I promised I wouldn’t say anything but please, Rupert ‘boring’? Are you speaking in the context of what hollywood considers beautiful? I don’t know about anyone else but its usually the characters that actors portray on screen that reflects positively on how I view them physically. But if you are talking about the ‘typical’ image that hollywood manufactures than I suppose people in the media would say Rupert’s boring to look at…that’s just not an opinion I share. Furthermore, I’ve always considered Rupert to be the best actor of the Trio, you don’t have to agree with my opinion of course, that’s just what I believe :)

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HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! Are we EVER gonna get a post featuring Dan and Emma that DOESN’T include spiteful, bitchy comments? At the end of the day they are popular and that is why they are on this list. Most of us here love Rupert too and you can bet he ain’t losing any sleep over not being on this list.

So PLEASE people, grow up and just appreciate the impact HP has had on the world while it lasts – 10 years from now something/someone else will have this publicity (and most likely the same ‘types’ of people will whinge about that too).

Oh, and congrats to Jo, Dan AND Emma.

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S.Benj, I think generally most people are just curious as to how it’s all calculated – I have no idea myself :) But I think having Jo as well as Dan and Emma does promote HP more which is good news. As to previous comment about Rupert – that’s just me expressing ‘my’ opinion about Rupert only, I wasn’t being spiteful/Bitchy at least not intentionally _;

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I agree, Lily. Any slight change in the the calculation criteria could have switched a number of positions around. Jo and Dan are both in fairly strong positions on the list, but Emma just barely made it. If something in the criteria was adjusted differently, even if only by a tiny amount, and we find out that Rupert was possibly listed at say 104 or something (anyone know if we can find that out?), their positions could have been easily switched. I guess people enjoy reading lists like this but they don’t always tell you much.

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Well done to all three of them. It must be a great achievement for all of them.

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Hmm I don’t know why Emma’s on there & Rupert’s not when Rupert’s done other work… oh well. Also I thought Jo would be higher [David Beckahm at 15? WHAT?] but congrats to the three of them anyway =)

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Lily, if you didn’t make any spiteful comments then I’m not talking about you.

I think people are putting too much stock in this list anyway. [b]It’s a glorified popularity contest[/b], not a Britannica volume. That’s why I don’t get the bashing of Emma (or Dan) because they are ranked higher than Rupert, it’s not their fault and this list isn’t important enough.

Emma is more searched on the internet than some of those celebs in the top 20 on that list, that is how random this thing is. That doesn’t mean the poll is saying she is better than those not on this list. It’s all relative. But if you like a celebrity, why should a poll like this get in the way?

I actually think Jo, Dan, Emma and Rupert would be quite uncomfortable being on this list anyway because none of them are into the whole Hollywood Celebrity-dom thing. So we’ve got to stop getting caught up in the media circus ourselves.

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Poor Rupert, but at the same time, it is understandable. Clinically speaking, he really isn’t as exciting as the other two. Not only because Dan is acclaimed beyond HP now, and Emma’s the leading (and attractive) girl, but because Rupert simply doesn’t have their spirit. It’s often frustrating watching his interviews, because as the eldest, he should have the most to say; yet the other two trump him with their insight and mature observations all the time. Rupert did have an opportunity with Driving Lessons – indie film or not the UK media were ready to help him – but he remained uninspiring. And this is written without having any particular biases over the trio.

Having said that, it’s a fairly silly list anyway :P

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“Rupert simply doesn’t have their spirit.”

  • OH-OH, red rag to a bull. You are now going to start off an argument about the Trio. WHY???
  • Rupert being more reserved and reticent than the others doesn’t mean he has less spirit.
  • And why should this list matter to any of us anyway?
  • If there are any GENUINE HARRY POTTER FANS out there you’d know this list isn’t worth the paper it’s written on and most of the people on it probably don’t care about it either. It’s just a bit of media bog roll.
  • “Poor rupert”? He’s not poor in any sense of the word, so let’s just chill.
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This list is absolute rubbish. I agree with S.Benj, this is a glorified popularity contest and people should not in any way take it seriously.

But what it does do is glorify that awful celebrity culture we now live in, where if you make enough noise (or someone else makes it for you) and earn enough money you can be a celebrity. And be filthy rich at the same time.

To repeat what I said originally, it is just a load of rubbish.

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Like I’ve said a million times before, Rupert is dull. He’s a fantastic actor, but doesn’t set the world alight outside the films. All you fans ever say is “ahhh, he’s so cute”, you need more than that to attract attention and do you really think he could care less about not being on this list?, he’s probably never heard of it, so give it a rest. Dan & Emma are more interesting, whether you like it or not.

For example, Dan’s risked his whole career on ‘Equus’ and choses exciting, challenging projects outside Potter, Emma can get by on her looks and both have interesting things to say, Rupert doesn’t, hence, no media interest accept he’s an attractive, nice, normal guy but we see them on the streets all the time!

Rupert’s not a child you know, I don’t think he’ll be too upset, so stop bloody moaning (again), can’t Rupert fans be happy for other people instead of putting others down all the time.

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that’s so cooooooool…...................but i do feel sorry for rupert…..anyway…congrats emma dan…..!!

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Unfortunately, I think the producers at Warner Bros are between a rock and a hard place concerning Rupert. It’s such a crap shoot to pick children who will need to grow into their roles over time. They lucked out so extrodinarily with Dan, and to some degree Emma. But Rupert, while not as homely as the poor boy who plays Neville (now practically unrecognizable), is both funny looking and a terrible actor. He can mug for the camera and that’s about it. I do think he’ll have a nice career on British TV, so that’s a good thing for him.

I’m sure the execs at WB have on-going talks about the difficulty in replacing him, and I’m sure they feel they really need to keep the continuity of the trio, even if they write him into more of a cameo than featured role.

I personally feel they’ll have to replace Bonnie Wright for the next movie, but they may not. Putting her in slacks for this movie is already going the wrong direction for her character, since Ginny is supposed to be developing into a heart-breaker.

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I LOVE JKR, Dan, Emma…and Rupert, but come on – this is just another SILLY list from the media. Its only purpose is to get people to buy the magazine.

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Why Rupert fans are complaining…every time there is a list which does NOT include Rupert’s name you guys star moaning about it, aren’t you guys tired of it, please girls GET IT the guy lack of charistma, he doesn’t have the special thing that will attract people to be interested on him, at least he should thanks the WB because otherwise he would have ended god knows where?..the HP movies have been a great exposure for him, I know the guy try hard to get notice by the media, going to awards, going to premiers like the Fantastic 4, going to different TV programs like the Buggers or the one where he Danced and did the pottery thing, and of course when he did DL he went all over the world promoting this movie, I know he is trying hard to get notice but it looks like this is not happening! so girls get it, get it…he is not star power, I think by now she should stop complaining like little babies.

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Eve123, heart-breaker does not mean slutty. Honestly, she’s supposed to be, what, 15? Bonnie is a cute girl and I like the fact that they would choose to go the classy route with Ginny. That said, I think Rupert is one of those actors who are actually sort of shy when not acting. Which says a lot about him. And I hope he doesn’t give a rats backside about this list. I doubt he does. If we were to make a list of post-ers who were popular I don’t think you’d be on that right now.

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Oh God, here we go again. Can’t some people just be happy about the fact that our favorite author is on the list, and you know maybe say “cool, Dan and Emma made it for the first time.” Nope, this must be a vendetta against Rupert; some sort of conspiracy. Then of course the various bashing and comparisons occur. Jeez!

The lists are not based on talent. They show you what they are based on-

Pay Rank, Web Rank, Press Rank, TV/Radio Rank

Okay! Emma and Rupert probably have a similar pay rank, or maybe Emma got slightly more out of her deal due to her hesitation. We know that Emma has had a high ranking on the most searched list on the internet many times. Emma has gotten much more press than Rupert due to her stalker incident and the rumor that she wasn’t finishing the series. Plus she’s done quite a few magazine spreads because she’s a pretty girl and usually those type of magazines focus on women. And finally TV/Radio rank is probably similar for the two. There you have it. There’s no conspiracy. I don’t see a rank that says talent, so can we stop arguing.

I think Dan and JKR’s presence on the list doesn’t need to be argued, right? Star of the show and star of Equus, and the most popular children’s author.

Anyway, I’m happy for them all getting on the list. Congrats!

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I’m not sure that ‘congrats’ are so overwhelmingly in order. This List ranks people according to salary and publicity. So I guess, woohoo! Your in the press and people pay you lots of money! That makes a wonderful person to be emulated!

Um, yeah. does reality check

Truth is, to the extent that JKR uses her celebrity for worthy causes and gives us all so many fabulous hours of stimulating entertainment, she deserves to be emulated.

As for Dan and Emma, we are talking about two teenagers with decent acting abilities, highly symmetrical facial features, and attractive physiques, who have managed to defy the typical teenager star trends towards alcoholism, anorexia, and obnoxiousness. They should be emulated by all child stars. The reason Rupert’s not on that list is because he doesn’t get photo shoots, which is in part because movie-Ron has been dumbed down to something suscipiously similar to a piece of strawberry jello.

And no one does a photo shoot of strawberry jello.

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To say that Rupert wasn’t on the list because he’s a “boring actor” is just completely untrue. I mean, the guy did get creative for Harry Potter auditions didn’t he? I believe he’s a good actor, not great, but good. And give the guy some slack, he’s just your typical shy person. There have been many shy actors out there who have made it big. Who’s to say he won’t become just as great and loved among others beside HP fans. There’s still time, he’s only 19 right? I really don’t have favorites among the trio but I don’t think Emma is any better than Rupert when it comes to acting. But I’m not going to sit here and say that she shouldn’t be on the list. She does get a lot more publicity because a.) She’s the only girl among the trio and b.) She’s “beautiful”. But overall, it’s just a list that really doesn’t matter to anyone. If you look at the list closely, you’ll see that the ranking isn’t placed in any particular order. I mean, looking at the Pay, Web, Press and TV rank, the numbers are all scattered. When according to lets say, TV ranking, Reese Witherspoon who ranks in #48 for TV, comes in #80 on the list, where Dan who has a t.v. ranking of 82, comes in #79 on the list. The list isn’t accurate at all if you think about it. So, there you go. It doesn’t matter at all. Either way, great for the three…J.K, Dan, and Emma.

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Imagine the criteria of this list that I am sure that the number One, Ophra, wouldn’t be in the first 1.000 of any other country of the world. I would be surprised if more of a 0’05% of Spanish people know her.

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wtg

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I am very proud of Daniel. It was exciting to see him on this list. His star continutes to rise. This only thing that disappointed me was that the Forbes story continues to call him a “Kiddie star.” Clearly, they haven seem Equus.

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lmao Rupert hater(s)(!) are here in full force!

There’s a new interview with Bonnie Wright. I don’t know if you guys are going to post it so I decided to post it here.. Lately the only news that have been posted here were about Emma and Dan… Rupert and Katie went to an event (separated) and it wasn’t posted. I love TLC but I don’t know how you select the news you’re going to post :-/.. anyway, here it is: http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/new-interview-bonnie-wright-47217/

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It is funny that people come in and request that people stop putting Emma down because Rupert didn’t make the list. From what I have seen, a lot of people are questioning the list and why it is that Emma is at 97 and Rupert isn’t. Is it based on earnings, film credit, who knows?

I am glad that the media recognizes Jo as the powerful celebrity that she is. Yay for Dan and Emma. And I am sure Rupert will get his day if he is looking for it. Rupert seems like he is quite happy where he is right now and when/if he is ready for some more media recognition, I am confident he has the acting ability to receive it.

ps. I don’t think that WB is agonizing over their decision as far as the trio actors are concerned. All 3 are pulling their own weight pretty dern well:)

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Rupert is not on that list because he doesn’t have the same amount of exposure the other two have in the films. If he were as present as they are on the screen he would be on the list.

Simply put : of sight out of mind, period.

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Heh, I bet Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton and Britney Spears care that they are not on that list. Orlando Bloom isn’t on that list either, despite getting lots of papp attention but had no job offers except in Pirates until his decision to do a West end stage play a la radcliffe. So it’s not just being a pretty face.

I personally doubt it would matter if Rupert had a bigger role in HP. He had his own movie come out in film fests where movers and shakers could see his work. It unfortunately did not do well- look at IMDB. And they say you’re only as good as your last movie. The trio have been protected by the mainstream media and papps due to their ages, however Rupert has been 18 and of “free game” status for almost a year now. While he certainly gets attention at various events, he doesn’t get covers nor does he get on talk shows. I’m sure Rupert and Emma must be getting the same salary; if he doesn’t, he has a poor agent. I do agree with the poster who says he should have a decent career but so do Dan and Emma. Whatever, I say congratulations to Dan and Emma and JK of course. Well done!

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Umm, Mary, Dan has had a lot of new photos out and December Boys info out , and none of that got posted here either. Heck, those new behind the scenes pics of Rupert and Dan didn’t get put up here and those were of HP (there are new ones with “Umbridge”. Also why aren’t you mentioning Emma haters? Dan at least is getting the nod for being on the list, but people complaining that Rupe should be on that list too are irritating too.

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YAY! CONGRATS! But where`s Rupert Grint? :( He should be on it! :D I love him! LOL! =]

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Eve123, that was harsh. What do you even know about acting? Or casting? I’m sure the WB is fine with the cast, otherwise they wouldn’t have casted Rupert. I think thats really rude to comment on someones looks like that, and you know what, Rupert isn’t even my favorite actor, but I am studying acting and I know what it is like to be criticized by people who don’t know what they are talking about, so I feel as though I should set them straight. And WB would never right him as a cameo role, Ron plays a huge part in the series. Besides his acting has nothing to do with this, so just stick to what the story talks about.

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Oh, that’s right! I had forgotten about all that hoopla about Emma not coming back for the last two movies. I mean, I knew she was going to come back, but the media sure did make a lot of commotion that she wasn’t going to come back. I suppose that would have caused a lot of internet hits. I certainly don’t mind that she is on the list, I just didn’t understand WHY she was on it. But if internet hits are part of the criteria then I guess I can understand the surge of interest. Her spot at #97 does seem to be appropriate then.

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Rupert needs to be there.

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Dont’ forget to do all your online banking with Gringott’s Bank … must use muggle internet …

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Eve123, Ginny is a heartbreaker, not because she is a Barbigirl, she is an active, funny, straightforward and brave girl. And I don’t think that there is anything wrong with Ginny wearing pants, it fits her character, IMHO

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“But if you are talking about the ‘typical’ image that hollywood manufactures than I suppose people in the media would say Rupert’s boring to look at…that’s just not an opinion I share.”

Absolutely!! Personally I hate the ‘too-perfect’ and cloned look that characterises most Hollywood films and it detracts from their believe-ability. I am SO glad they chose normal looking people for HP. I like a bit of imperfection and very few of the book characters are described as good-looking.

“But what it does do is glorify that awful celebrity culture we now live in”

VERY well said Gringa!

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im not surprised they desrve it

CONGRATS TO FREMONTS 8TH GRADE GRADUATING CLASS OF 2007

HIGH SCHOOL HERE WE COME!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The reason Jo is not ranked higher has to do with her earnings looking back the last 12 months. Wait until next year’s list; she will most likely be ranked much higher due to DH sales being included in her annual salary for 2007-2008.

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They are placed based on the AVERAGE RANKING of the FOUR criteria including web hits/searches, media rank, earnings and one other. And again, it isn’t important enough for people to hissy fit over!

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Dan’s on the list because of his salary. Plus he got some publicity with his nude act on stage. Emma’s on the list because she’s the most popular actor in HP. She generates a lot of interest in the media, even more than Dan. Both Dan and Emma are attractive. While I like Rupert, he’s doesn’t generate as much interest. It’s not Dan and Emma’s fault he’s not popular enough. It doesn’t appear to be in Rupert’s nature to be popular, which is fine. Actually I amazed that Emma generated enough publicity to make the list, she doesn’t even come close to Dan’s wages.

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Rupert is neither eye-candy like Emma (all those photo shoots) nor happening like Dan (Equus, DB). So it’s not too surprising that he is not interesting enough for people to put him on that list. The list is not an indicator if better acting skills or even being more successful. It’s just a measure of the amount of publicity/public-interest that a person has generated.

Dakota Fanning is there for her controversial upcoing movie role.

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Don’t get me wrong. I like Rupert a lot. I even have more respect for him than I do Dan. But I understand that he’s not “out” there like Dan and Emma. Dan has Equus, December Boys, and his other movie yet to be filmed. Plus he really put himself out there in the media, doing talk shows in abundance, in the begiining of the year. Emma actually tried to keep her head down most of the year concentrating on her schooling. But the tabloids wouln’t leave her alone. She just started doing the magazine shoots so those aren’t counted on this list. But overall, she has a strong internet following that’s consistant. Same with Dan but I think it helps Emma more because she’s just so attractive.

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“Emma’s on the list because she’s the most popular actor in HP. She generates a lot of interest in the media, even more than Dan”

eh? are you talking about this silly Yahoo web-hit thing? Not a very reliable measure of popularity. The web breeds obsession, in case no-one here’s noticed :D

As for media interest, I’d say less in newspapers or tv, and no more in magazines – Emma has appeared a lot in fashion shoots, not surprisingly because she’s becoming quite beautiful, but Dan makes up for it with at least as many magazine interviews (not all have featured on Leaky).

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Solo, we don’t really know why each of them are in the list. For example last week Dan was one of the most seached people on aol. Emma is often the most searched because if people notice: girls are always the most searched in the Internet, no matter if they are Paris Hilton or Scarlett Johanson, because men are the ones who search more.

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I hope this list puts to rest the question of who has the most star power among the trio. #79 is a pretty good number for Dan considering that the list was based on LAST YEAR’s data. If we count in all the media frenzy for Equus starting in February, Dan would get a higher number and his income for this year would be much much higher than just 15 million. I’m excited how high Dan would be on this list next year. GOodness, he has a higher talent fee than Reese Witherspoon and keira KNightley.

And why do some have to sour grape about Emma being on this list? She almost didn’t make it and even Dakota Fanning is ahead by one rank. It’s a testimony to her popularity that she even got there with only 4 miilion. She was a talking point last year because of those private pics on youtube plus all the scare of not continuing the HP series. But although Lindsay (and Paris)is also very popular she didn’t make it in this list. I guess they dont include tabloid press in their tally.

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“I LOVE JKR, Dan, Emma…and Rupert, but come on – this is just another SILLY list from the media. Its only purpose is to get people to buy the magazine.”

The Forbes list is a definitive list backed up by research easily obtainable because of the kind of databank we have nowadays. It may be another silly list but it is a mark of a star’s market value often used by studio execs to determine how much you’ll be paid for a project. And If you try to be objective about it, you’ll understand why we have those rankings. Dan only made one movie last year so his talent fee for OotP plus royalty for HP merchandise would roughly total 15 million. No book last year so the royalty for the HP books would give JKR roughly 30+ million. I’m surprised at Emma’s 4 million but I guess she really got a better deal than I expected. Our HP actors are paid well after all. Rupert got a higher income because of another movie – DL but there are three other criteria aside from income and Emma leaves Rupert by a mile when it comes to web searches and press coverage. Her controversial pics plus juicy rumor earned more interest than Rupert’s indie movie. (The Rupertfans shouldn’t sourgrape that Emma’s on this list and Rupert’s not. Hey, even Leonardo de Caprio didn’t make it. understandable because he didnt have a movie last year. ) And Dan gets the more press coverage, he’s ranked 50 in the web hits while Emma is even lower than her Forbes rank so I guess that also is an indication of who is more popular. Not saying this is an error free list because lIndsay certainly earns more than Emma but maybe they don’t include tabloid press in their count.

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aww, this news quite tears me up. sniff.. when I first joined the Leaky comment boards I was almost chewed up by some members here cause I thought you’re all kiddies. Now the HP trio are all grown up (and so are their fans)and Dan and Emma are among the most powerful celebrities in the World! I’m very excited for next year. Dan will place among the top 20 I think because of his so many projects. Emma will also place higher because of the interest in HP and hopefully, Rupert this time around. it goes without saying that JKR will be in the top 5 next year, if not the top slot because of the release of the last book.

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To: Lebeno (from comment on first page) From: Will

When I was talking about Dan and said he “allegedly” did a good job in Equus, I used the word “allegedly” because I didn’t see him in the play. I like to see something myself before I judge it (belive me, I’m the biggest movie critic and fan in my small town). I’m not saying he didn’t to a good job, I think he took a great risk and he should be applauded for his efforts. I just don’t want to judge something I haven’t seen. By the way, I’m not biased towards any of the trio, and I really hope they all have great futures. (P.S. I may be over staying my welcome on this comment board, put I just wanted to be clear. Sorry for wasting space.)

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I just noticed that Orlando Bloom is not on this list. Don’t tell me Emma Watson has more star power than Orlando? I can understand why Leonardo’s not there. No movies last year – but Orlando has POTC. Of course, he was overshadowed by his costars. Must be the same reason for why Rupert’s not there along with Dan and Emma.

And sheesh, Dan’s pay is ridiculous for a teenager. He gets more than veteran actors, even more than Oscar winner Reese Witherspoon. But hey, WB should pay him big bucks cause he’s a gold mine – commercially and artistically…

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I really can’t stand the HP fan community when it breaks out into these silly factions. Can’t we all just agree we have different opinions on the trio. There’s no need to start insulting each other or any of the actors.

Its just a list – based on a range of things from pay to press attention – it means very little, and I don’t think any of the actors will be loosing sleep over it. A bit of perspective is needed. All of these people – as they are humble enough to admit themselves – are extremely lucky to be in the positions they are in. I don’t think we could ever describe any of them as them as “poor”, or suggest they have been unfairly treated because they dont make it onto a Forbes list!

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“But overall, it’s just a list that really doesn’t matter to anyone. If you look at the list closely, you’ll see that the ranking isn’t placed in any particular order. I mean, looking at the Pay, Web, Press and TV rank, the numbers are all scattered. When according to lets say, TV ranking, Reese Witherspoon who ranks in #48 for TV, comes in #80 on the list, where Dan who has a t.v. ranking of 82, comes in #79 on the list. The list isn’t accurate at all if you think about it.”

This list matters to some Hollywood execs who want to get an idea of a star’s market value. Like many surveys, there’s a 5-10% error but the Forbes lists have made their mark on this arena and I say this list is a good enough picture of who’s who among the many celebrities in the world. The 4 categories have different rankings cause one may rank high in earnings but rank low in media publicity. The OVERALL RANK is an average of these four categories. Dan may have a lower ranking on TV but has a high rank on web hits so it all averages down to # 79. Reese has a lower income than Dan so she ranks lower overall although she may have more publicity because of that Oscar win and her divorce. same with Depp and Pitt. Depp has a higher income but Brad has more publicity and has more fans I think so he’s higher up the ladder overall. JKR may be a very influential author but her earnings last year is small compared to movie producers and some actors. That may change next year so we all expect our HP stars to place high on this list next year.

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Nobody really knows how Forbes get their numbers. Emma is consistantly ranked higher than Dan is search engines. The guys love her. But Dan got more internet articles due to his going naked. Emma had more tabloid trouble in the beginning of the year than Dan did. Plus how many times did Dan go on talk shows for Equus. Unfortuantely for Rupert, he had absolutely nothing. The most press he got was for supposibly saying Emma was quitting HP. I’m actually amzed Emma did make the list because she has done nothing in a year unlike Dan who really publicized himself. He wanted publicity for going naked and he got it. Somebody said the Lohans, Jessica Beils, Orlando Blooms are far more popular on the internet than Dan or Emma, that’s true. So who knows how Forbes got their rankings.

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Why do people keep saying Leonardo DiCaprio had no movies last year? He was in Best Picture winner The Departed and got an Oscar nomination for Blood Diamond!! He should be on the list but the list is ridiculous.

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Solo: This list was based on Last year’s data. Dan’s publicity for Equus only started to get into top gear this year. And the only talk show he got on for Equus was the JR show, again only in March of this year. If anything, it was Rupert who publicized himself last year because of his indie movie. And search engine lists are only one of the criteria used by Forbes. If it’s the only meter, then we’d have Lohan and Hilton and Bloom there too. Luckily for Dan, Emma and Rupert, everytime there’s an HP article, their names are also mentioned. But you have to click on those names for it to register on the web hit tally. Maybe there are just more clicks on Dan’s name than Emma and very few on Rupert. Even that incendiary quote of Rupert saying he’s not talking to Emma worked more on Emma’s favor than on him. Very few tabloids picked on that but concentrated instead on Emma quotes.

But I agree, I’m a little surprised too that Emma’s included here. No projects except for HP and she scored more than LOhan who had films last year. And I’m pissed about Leonardo not being there. I forgot, he did have two Oscar nominated films last year.

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Heyy!!! Well im sure dan and emma and jo dont even read these things lol like they got time 4 that… but anyway yea kool that they got picked it!!! but the person mighta just been a potter fan so… haha jk but yea i can c y rupert didnt get it hes good but hes not super spectacular like dan or emma. well thats it. OVER AND OUT!

♥Brittany♥

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For those wondering where we got this list from:

“Tinseltown’s triumphs are reflected in this year’s Celebrity 100, Forbes’ annual list of the world’s most powerful and best-paid celebrities. To generate the list, Forbes analyzes celebrity earnings, plus media metrics such as Google hits, press mentions as compiled by Lexis/Nexis, TV/radio mentions from Factiva and the number of times an A-lister appears on the cover of 32 major consumer magazines.”

BTW, the list is entitled “The most POwerful celebrities”. These are the power brokers of Hollywood, not just the most popular celebrities. These are people whose voice you listen to and can dance the negotiation deal with powerful studio executives. Depp is just an actor but gets a percentage of the gross from his films. Not many actors can make that demand. Dan is very young but he already has the savvy and the power to get good deals from WB. He even gets the same talent fee as George Clooney who is also a first timer on this list.I say Emma’s getting there. She’s just secondary cast but that 4 million per film is nothing to laugh at. And Dakota is the youngest in the list but not many can really question her “clout” in Hollywood today.

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forbes (I don’t know if you are genuine) but thanks for the information. What I’d like to know is whether the tv, radio, press ratings include the UK coverage if they’re from a Hollywood perspective?

Solo, if this list is really based on last year then Jasmine’s right – the Dan ‘going naked’ effect on the Tabloids does not feature in these ratings, nor do the numerous Intelligent Press interviews relating to Equus, play reviews, Jonathan Ross interview or UK TV news mentions. Goodness knows what his rating will be next year.

I’d also like to correct your impression that Dan is SUCH an important person that he is able to manufacture and manipulate the Press to suit his own ends. If that is true then he’s an even more remarkable teenager than I thought LOL (not to mention brassly confident that his debut stage performance would be so good!). I’ve seen the play and he was fantastic- fortunately living up to the hype – but goodness, he didn’t KNOW he would be so good, so why on earth would he want to consciously involve the Tabloids! The play’s publicists are another story of course but you talk as though it was all Dan’s doing.

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I think this is a big jump for Dan and also Emma as powerful stars, specially because big studio exec and not so big ones will offer these guys tons of movies some will be great scrips and some not so, that would be up to Dan or Emma to choose the righr project, but been in this list will open a lot of doors to Dan and Emma as actors. Both are talented and now nice and down to earth kid.

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Solo if you’re fair then you’ll know that last year Rupert got more press than any other HP actor with his movie DL, Dan did the Equus publicity this year not last year, Rupert went to NY, TX, LA to promote DL, he had his premier in UK and did a lot of photoshots related to DL, so the so call Dan got the media attention because of Equus is not accurate, for once try to be fair and get you’re facts right…Rupert got the press in 2006 but that didn’t even help him to get him in this list, simply because he is not popular and regular moviegoers are NOT interested on him as an actor.

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come on you guys, this was a stupid list. Everyone knows Emma is the worst actress in the trio, even the tabloids and critics say it—but it’s really just a popularity contest. I mean, I don’t like Emma as Hermione, but honestly, the magazines are looking for Harry Potter canonity like we are. She’s hot, and that’s why she’s got all that press coverage. Rupert’s more or less more talented, but he’s less charismatic, and Ron gets played down to nothing (a shame). But I hate the people out there who say OMGGG EMMA IS THE BEST ACTRESS because she’s not. You only like her because she’s pretty. ADMIT IT.

I love JKR I love JKR.

I am almost a troll.

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burningpumpkins don’t forget DL…there is any excuse for that movie? because I want to know how Ben was played down too??? Maybe for you he’s the best actor, but it looks like many more people don’t agree with that statement.

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hmmm… Rupert got generally good reviews for his part in DL. Unfortunately, the film itself was not up to much. I was even unusually disappointed in Julie Walters too. I don’t think the ‘lack of success’ (is that’s true?? – it probably did as well as any low budget film with limited release) is down to Rupert.

But let’s not forget that these small films (and same will be true for December Boys) are never intended to be blockbusters, and will have extremely limited release, usually only in the States outside of their own country (I believe that DB will only be released in the US apart from Australia (and NZ?)), so you can’t judge ‘success’ in that way. Even low budget UK films don’t get a decent showing in the UK, and that was true of DL. It’s nothing to do with how good/bad the film is but the distributors who are too scared to take a risk.

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sorry not the distributors, should have said the cinema franchises who are to scared to buy into a risk.

Anyway, I really don’t think you can compare the three as actors. Firstly, Dan has the most challenging part in HP so there’s more to scrutinise (he does extremely well with it), Rupert’s role is reduced to comic effect (which he does very well) but he can’t be judged in any other way, Emma’s role is also limited.

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Poor ickle Ronnie Kins!!!! I feel bad because it does seem he gets shun from the hard core Dan and Emma fans. But then again Im sure he does more than well for himself from the movies.

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Actually you’re assuming that this info was based on last year alone. They have included the first quarter of this year as well. Dan didn’t have hardly any magazine covers or appearnaces last year alone. Most of his publicity came for Equus. Thats why he did it, for more publicity. Come on, he had a posters of his naked butt on the subway for all to see. Plus he had hardly any really tv appearances as well. We all know he’s not more popular than Orlando Bloom or Leonardo, who got an Oscar nom this year. So I understand why people don’t agree with these numbers completely. An although I like Emma, I know for a fact that she didn’t do hardly anything last year. And according to Forbes, they described her holding off signing for the last two movies and getting more money basically a power play. That’s one reason why she was there and that happened THIS year. So Dan’s equus stuff counted too then because it was in the same time frame. Along with the rumored Emma powerplay with WB she gets a lot of search engine hits so that got her on the list. She didn’t have web articles outside of tabloids but she’s got the guys looking for her regularly. Plus nobody knows how much Emma got for the movie, her money’s in a private account so thats off limits. Dan’s money is in a company his parents formed, so that money amount is public record. As for Rupert, his movie didn’t do very well. That hurts him more than helps him. Sometimes it’s best not to do anything than do something that bombs.

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anne he didn’t got “generally good reviews for his part in DL” he had 50/50 reviews regarding his part, some like some didn’t so it was not a general thumbs up for him..let’s get the facts right.

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Solo, Dan did Equus to challenge himself as an actor and not play it safe like many young actors do, if he would have been bad in Equus, that project would have probably be his last project outside the HP franchise, it is funny how many Rupert fans use the so call “NUDE play” to justify or make excuses why Rupert is not in the list, the guy showed that he has the balls to take risks in his career and not only taking risk but also successfully he has become a great actor, he received unanimous positive reviews from every single theater critic, so his great artistic decision is what made him now the best actor among the trio.

Plus solo you keep ignoring my comment about Rupert promoting DL last year, why don’t you give us a more factual data about why Rupert is not in the list when he also had his media time all around the world promoting DL taking photoshots here and there appearing on magazines, newspapers and TV shows, he also promoted his first kiss in a movie and also his first sex scene, he appeared showing his naked torso in about 2 scenes so let’s not forget that he was the first doing a more mature scenes than any other HP cast at that time…so come on give me a good reason why you think that with so much promotion Rupert did for DL he didn’t make it into this list…you Rupert fan’s are funny, you try to put the other actors down and make so many excuses why you’re favorite actor is not in the list and blame everybody for the little interest Rupert gets from the media and regular moviegoers, it is not Emma or Dan that people show little interest for Rupert…

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“Firstly, Dan has the most challenging part in HP so there’s more to scrutinise (he does extremely well with it), Rupert’s role is reduced to comic effect (which he does very well) but he can’t be judged in any other way, Emma’s role is also limited.”

I think you’ve got it right there, anne. I just want to add that the HP films are also hardly good enough to showcase the acting talents of the trio. The characters are reduced into the films as cliches of themselves. Ron is the funniest of the trio, so he is comic relief in the films. Hermione is the clever one, so she gets all the lines in the film where information is given or if there is something school related. Harry is the angsty hero and the one with the most screentime and lines that revolve around this (“Let’s hope Potter will always be around to save the day” “don’t worry, I will be”)

It’s a waste of time trying to decide which of the trio is better because they simply don’t have enough experience to show it off. They were pretty young when they started HP, so they haven’t had the opportunity to grow into other roles. One has to admire Dan and Rupert at their attempts at doing different things, whether they were successful or not. It shows commitment and desire to improve, besides taking a risk.

And Forbes, your comments made me dislike the list even more. I see that nothing has changed – fame really does feed fame. Real talent counts for less each day.

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Whoa miia, calm down a bit. I am going to correct you and say that Dan got generally good reviews, but there were a negative ones, so one can’t say it was unanimous. The majority was pretty glowing though.

Solo, I think you’re wrong saying that it is better not to do something in case it bombs. How in heck are they supposed to predict that? Major stars can’t figure that one out. Indies tend to be a labour of love, and the trio need to spread their wings and do other things. HP won’t be there forever, you know. I want to see Dan do tV as well, there are lots of interesting things that the BBC and other networks are putting out that I would love to see DAn do, if he had the time. As well, it is very irritating to see you constantly harp on the nudity factor. Dan also receiveed flak on the smoking and swearing. He also received a lot of attention from his stint on Extras, which also came out last fall. Tons of exposure there, and which was repeated to a lesser amount once it came out in the States. The “kiss” generated tons of media as well, as WB was intent on using that for publicity purposes, as we have already seen and they have publicly admitted. The announcement that he was doing his first post Potter TV project My Boy Jack, triggered worldwide interest as well. It was announced in practically every paper as well (I know, i was googling at the time). So you see, it wasn’t just the pec pics!

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lol Emma, I said ‘generally good’ (notice deliberately imprecise :o)), not brilliant. I couldn’t be precise because I only skimmed around 40 reviews and didn’t tot up numbers. Although I have to say honestly that I didn’t actually see a ‘bad’ review for Rupert himself, perhaps you did? The worst I saw were luke warm and some even said that he made the film. The film got around 50/50 overall, maybe even less, but you can’t blame Rupert for all of that. I thought it was pretty poor but that he was ‘OK’.

Solo, it was you who assumed that the figures were based on last year originally. Firstly, I work in London five days a week and I didn’t see ANY pictures of Equus on the Underground (=subway), buses, billboards, Piccadilly Circus screens or ANYWHERE other than the official non-controversial poster above the theatre itself. And I pass within minutes’ walk of that theatre! Secondly, there were NO pictures of a naked ‘butt’ or anything other than jeans below the waist in fact! I believe jeans are ok. Thirdly, he actually said ‘I didn’t look at the naked scene and think, oh great…’, which implies the opposite to what you are suggesting. He wasn’t over the moon about that aspect of it. Fourthly, simple common sense should tell you that someone about to star in a play for the FIRST time ever would not want to attract so much Tabloid publicity just for the sake of it- when he COULD have bombed for all he or anyone else knew of his stage acting skills! Don’t you know how vicious UK Tabloids can be when they want? Still, it’s really very nice of you to think he’s so utterly brilliant that he could pull it off regardless of the critics’ response :o).

"Come on, he had a posters of his naked butt on the subway for all to see." OK I have to put my foot down here.
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darn! what happened there? – the last quote has been taken completely out of the second paragraph!

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When Transformers takes a bite out of HP earnings, who do you think will get the blame? Right now Transformers is generating the most buzz in the US. You don’t even hear abut HP anymore. Now WB is moving the HP release date less than a week after Transformers open. I’ll give you a hint who will shoulder a huge part of the blame. He got naked. Plus getting 15 million a movie will put a huge bulls-eye on his powerlist ranking.

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No radcakesfan, there were no negative reviews, the only ones that you can call not entirely positive were about his technique in theater…but not about his acting.

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Solo, I’m still waiting on your answer about DL promotion, for some reason you cannot give a straight answer about it! You keep harping on Dan and how badly HP id going to do in the box office, actually right now I’m more into Transformer because the movie visually it looks fantastic, I hope this movie won’t end up like Spiderman 3 a huge disappointment, HP will have its regular numbers, this movie is going to be huge no matter what you said.

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Solo, why are you so bitter?

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Oh, and shouldn’t it be “He Who Got Naked”?

Well, we’re looking forward to seeing the movie and couldn’t care less about Transformers (my 10 year old son included). And we live in N. America.

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“Solo, why are you so bitter?”

I’ll second that. YOu keep harping on the nudity still and must have missed the sun’s turning. HP is not for kids anymore and Dan made his critics eat their words by coming up with an impressive performance in Equus. The only ones who still go on about the nudity are very young children and the moralists – you know, people who haven’t seen the play. But you’re right, let’s see what happens with OotP’s boxoffice results. It’s funny how people tend to blame the lead for a film’s failure or success. I know Dan have shouldered that burden for all the HP films. It’s a little unfair that he’s not credited much for the films’ successes but will be getting the flak if they bomb at the boxoffice. Rupert is not the only lead in DL but since he’s the one with the most publicity, he gets the flak for the failure of DL at the boxoffice. Generally, indie films don’t make much money that’s why producers don’t release it in many theaters. What they do is schedule for a limited release. If there is enough interest, they will extend and release the movie in more theaters. That’s what happemned with Babel (and that’s a Braqd Pitt movie!) It was just shown in 7 theaters in the first week and added more in the succeeding weeks when the boxoffice results were good. Looks like DL didn’t have that luck.

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Here is Daniel Radcliffe’s stats for this year’s list:

Pay Rank = 68 Web Rank = 50 Press Rank = 78 TV/Radio Rank = 82

This leads me to believe that tabloid mentions and press artciles are not that many for Dan. Although they included the first quarter of this year for assessing the earnings, I don’t think that’s true for the media coverage. Paris Hilton would be in the top 10 just for her jailbird’s media furor in the past weeks. Mags are usually dated early so much of the Equus publicity are not included in this list. Besides, I think they included only US magazines in their tally. That’s why Americans figure prominently in this list. Dan is an international star so he gets featured in Us magazines, but not often.

As for including talent as one of the categories, well, that’s very difficult to measure. HOw do you measure acting skill? By the number of awards? I think they just included that under the paycheck. An actor who gets paid more is a more respected actor, not just by his peers, but by the moguls who will pay through the teeth to get his services.

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“As for including talent as one of the categories, well, that’s very difficult to measure.”

Exactly, and at the end of the day that is the only thing that matters and it is impossible to credibly measure, which makes that list absolutely pointless. It tells us absolutely nothing. And I do feel that there is something really wrong and slightly disturbing with the whole concept behind it and the way the list was put together.

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Well Gringa the movie exec won’t be listening to you, they do care a lot obout this list.

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The list is not entirely pointless. It’s much more credible actually than all those hot and sexy lists and all those popularity surveys. It’s entitled the ‘most powerful celebrities’ which is just what it is – not a measure of the most talented but the most powerful, influential people in Hollywood. Oprah is very influential because she has conquered various kinds of media and hence, is always visible. The movie fans might sourgrape about the athletes and chefs included there but they are also powers in their own field and with the help of the media, are also known outside their circles. Some of the singers there are not the most talented, not even sell out artists, but Jay z is not only a rapper but also an endorser along with 50 cent.Justin has made three movies last year and that’s expanding influence. The list maybe useless to some but it’s a reckoning of who made it big last year so it’s a record of sorts that will be useful to some executives and agents. I myself don’t think Emma should be there but we can’t deny that she’s becoming a cult among the teen generation and that’s power in its own right. However, it’s not all popularity, otherwise Bloom, Spiderman Maguire, jailbird Hilton and Lohan would be there. It’s not a perfect list but better than many others.

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I checked out the list and the athletes and speakers actualy have more press coverage than actors. These are global players people. One speech can move global markets. The talk show hosts are the top people on the TV/Radio ranking. I thought Sandra Bullock was a has been but she still has a higher web hit than Dan. Even Kate Blanchett has a higher web rank than Dan so it’s not all the tizzy about going controversial that will get you into this list. Much of it is plain income – with knowing how to spend it of course. Goes to show that if you are just staying in your own backyard, you’d think our HP stars are big but there are bigger players out there. The kind of power they have is a little bit frightening.Congrats to Dan for entering that world arena of big players. Emma alnmost didn’t make it but I bet she’ll place higher next year.

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“It’s funny how people tend to blame the lead for a film’s failure or success. I know Dan have shouldered that burden for all the HP films. It’s a little unfair that he’s not credited much for the films’ successes but will be getting the flak if they bomb.”

Well said! Personally, I can see other reasons why OooP might not do as well (but let’s face it, it’s STILL going to be a blockbuster!)- summer release (?), it’s many people’s least favourite book(!?), some younger HP fans have probably dropped off since GoF (my 11 year old niece was behind the sofa for the last half, second viewing, and she didn’t like the Yule ball bit either- she was unhappy with Hermione starting to think about boyfriends, bless!).

“Generally, indie films don’t make much money that’s why producers don’t release it in many theaters. What they do is schedule for a limited release.”

Yes, I tried to say that myself earlier but you put it more succinctly! DL I only saw on TV in the UK. DB is only scheduled for an Australia and limited US release. Neither DL and DB are going to appeal to loads of people because their stories are offbeat. It doesn’t really make a difference who’s in it.

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“And I do feel that there is something really wrong and slightly disturbing with the whole concept behind it and the way the list was put together.”

I can sympathize with you there. And here’s my rant about it. We’re going that way in the UK with TV actors. The executives choose people they know are well-known because there’s this ratings war going on, so they usually pick ex-soap stars for pretty much every drama, rather than actively hunting for new talent. So we get the same old faces popping up over and over again, in formulaic dramas (usually crime or thriller). It is so annoying because UK drama used to be known for its high quality and fostering new talent. Even more disturbing is the trend now to show a TV audition (American Idol formula) for one of the genuine theatre musicals (eg Sound of Music and Grease). And people flock to them because they’ve ‘been on the telly’, even if they get poor reviews (like Sound of Music did). Even ordinary people who feature in factual documentaries and reality TV like Big Brother become celebrities just because they’ve ‘been on the telly’.

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I’m puzzled why some of you think OOTP won’t do “well” (whatever that means – I’ve seen comments on boards about POA not doing well and it made nearly $800 million worldwide).

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Anne, if an indy movie is good, has a great story and the actors appeals to the moviegoers plus the acting has to be impecable them the movie will do good, like it happened with Babel, ...little miss Sunshine (don’t remember the entire name) and so many other Indy films, if early numbers in those few theaters the movie is playing show that it will have a potential then more theaters will have this movie showing but if early numbers show that the movie will flop then then won’t even bother. Rupert fans make so excuses for the flop of DL, was an Indy movie, the story is not appealing and so on…but what you neglect on comment is that compare to other indy films DL got a royal treatment went it came to promoting the movie, Sony really did his job sending Rupert all over America in interviews and media print, but at the end of the day Indies with less promotion did much better that DL.

One last thing, I wonder when it is going to be the day that you Rupert fans won’t try to discredit any list Rupert is not in, making excuses why the list is not worth it and all, if these lists don’t mean anything to you then why bother making a comment or fighting why Rupert is not in it…

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I’m just going to put down here what the Independent said about this list:

“The Forbes Celerity 100 list is not just about earning power, it also takes account of profile and the all-important, “sizzle” factor.

Yup, ‘nuf said…

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Son_got_it – you assume that I’m a ‘Rupert fan’ because I’ve just stuck up for him? Why do people assume we’re one or the other? I’m trying to be objective.

I thought I’d stick up for him because I really DON’T think it’s fair to blame him for DL not doing ‘well’, or to use it as a measure of his popularity or otherwise. Julie Walters is a well-known actress too, in this country at least. But the film’s story was really dull and that’s that. Not Rupert’s fault.

I also stick to my point that distribution and promotion [in the UK that is] is haphazard. Even if they get great reviews, even if they are shot by local filmmakers and feature famous UK/Irish actors, it doesn’t follow that we’ll get to see them over here. Even Hot Fuzz (a heavily advertised and anticipated film) was shown ONE NIGHT ONLY at my local cinema! Brendon (Mad Eye) Gleeson’s new film has had poorer reviews than DL but is advertised with large posters all along the London Underground tunnel I walk down. I think I saw just one DL poster in the same tunnel (maybe I had my eyes shut? :D).

I take your point about DL having more backing than normal but can you say that Little Miss Sunshine was low budget, because I saw posters for it everywhere on the Underground and even on the sides of buses- the same level as for Oceans 13?

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Anne you sound like a Rupert fan to me, and if you’re not then you have no business defending him because personally I’m not attacking him, I’m just stating the real facts, DL was all about Rupert, maybe in you’re country you didn’t see many posters but the lack of posters was balance with a huge TV, printed media and radio coverage that this movie got for been only an Indy film.

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Son_got_it actually I’m more a Dan fan, but in any case I’ve got ‘a business’ to defend who I like and my defence was not against you, because you responded to me not the other way round.

To get one ‘fact’ straight. From the UK perspective DL stars TWO very well-known UK actors. Julie Walters is a household name in the UK, an award-winning actress going back decades. Her name alone attracted me to the film.

I’m fine with people saying they didn’t think much of the film (I didn’t like it myself) but people were saying it’s Rupert’s ‘lack of star power’ that made it fail. You said it yourself that it takes more than star power for an Indy film to succeed- it needs a ‘great story’ and ‘impeccable acting’ too. In fact you made it sound well nigh impossible. DL wasn’t a great story, and no amount of star power or good acting (not that it was brilliant) could have helped it. And that was my original argument – simply that it’s not all Rupert’s doing.

I’m sure your points about Indys and DL’s extra treatment are correct from the American perspective but I was putting the very different UK angle, where box office success is down to luck, like whether the film is even shown in enough UK cinemas.

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DL was the story of Ben, meaning Rupert was the lead of that movie not Julie Walters, so for that reason alone Rupert was the main star in the film, and that is why he was the ONE promoting the film in UK and US compare to Julie who did a few appearances here and there promoting the movie but nothing compare to Rupert.

And maybe for you the story was no that great, but for some reason I found the story appealing and interesting, but the acting IMO was not good, like I said before Rupert does not strike me as someone with the right appeal to lead a movie, like I said before this movie was promoted as if this was a worldwide release movie, Sony did a wonderful job sending Rupert all over US to promote this movie but the results were not good, because Indies with less promotion got more money than this so call waited movie by so many Rupert fan, Rupert has fans around the globe but it looks like at least in UK and US were not enought to bring the right numbers, because the movie didn’t even got the amount it was invested which translate in a flop.

Rupert does not has the star power you think he has, because if he would have had this power DL in its first opening weekend would have made decent numbers to make other theaters think about showing the movie, but the numbers didn’t help this movie.

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you know, I think we’re kind of saying the same thing in different ways :D

I never said Rupert did have the star power. I said that star power (or lack of) alone cannot be given as a reason for a film’s flop. The film needs to be half decent too. And I think from what you are saying that you agree, because you talk about story and acting as being important. We just disagree on what it was that pulled this film down.

We also seem to agree that promotion should have made all the difference; I’m saying that a reason that films get nowhere in the UK is because promotion and coverage is so poor. In the UK that HAS been true for DL too. Either US money was backing it or they made a big mistake in trying for the US market at the expense of the UK one.

Julie Walters IS first billed in this film. But it seems from what you say that the US promotors tried to sell it on the basis of Grint alone, perhaps because Julie is not so well-known there? I notice the US dvd cover features mainly Grint whereas the UK dvd features Grint and Walters together. IMO they made a mistake in pulling Julie Walters out of the promotion. Julie is a very funny person. Also, if they’d put an effort into promoting it in the UK with Julie at the helm it might have been taken up in cinemas here more -possibly?

Here’s a quote from Amazon UK dvd reviews “My wife was thoroughly annoyed that this film was only shown in about 3 cinemas throughout the UK.” – possibly an exaggeration but this is what I’m saying about not being able to measure success through box offices. This is a UK film with well-known UK actors! I think that’s what Americans don’t get- in the UK we are just not good at supporting our own films!

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anne this movie opened in UK in about 35 theaters, no bad for an Indy film, but because of lack of people going to see this movie, the theaters exec had to pull out DL from some of these theaters.

And DL was promoted in UK, Julie went to the JR show a very popular show, and there was a lot of coverage in the media printed plus the movie went to a film festival right there in UK, the movie got a lot of promotion thanks to the Rupert draw of the Harry Potter franchise, but the movie flop because IMO the acting was not so good and Rupert is not star power to draw people to want to see his projects, this also can damage Rupert’s possibility to get another lead role, movie execs don’t like to put money where they know it won’t produce any profit, so far Rupert’s projects are showing that he is NOT a profitable actor, I don’t know about his acting, he never got any nominations for his acting in DL, if he was that good why he didn’t get any nom for playing Ben…it doesn’t matter if the story is bad (IMO it was a good story) what matter is the talent and he didn’t show he has the right talent to show a huge range of acting maybe because he played someone similar to him, many critics even mentioend that he didn’t have to act that much apart from himself, because Ben was somehow similar to how Rupert is.

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