First Newspaper Review of “Order of the Phoenix” Film

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Jun 28, 2007

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The Times newspaper in the UK has published what they are calling the first review of the “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix” film. Giving it 3 out of five stars, the review was based after seeing the premiere in Tokyo, Japan. The article is favorable towards the performances by Imelda Staunton as Professor Umbridge (“exquisitely dislikable”), and Helena Bonham Carter as Bellatrix Lestrange (“shining but underused talent”), but is less kind to the trio. Of the film as a whole, the reviewer writes:

The film itself is a solid, occasionally spectacular, wizarding romp which struggles unsuccessfully to give us the thrills and fun we have not already had in previous instalments. It is far crueler than its predecessors and begins to introduce properly the idea that we are no longer in an amusing magical playground, but are en route to an epic confrontation with real victims.

The director, David Yates, has inserted some lovely touches, including the Weasley twins’ explosive transfer from the world of academia to the world of retail. But overall there is a shortage of those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films.

Thanks K!





204 Responses to First Newspaper Review of “Order of the Phoenix” Film

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Off to read it but 3 outta 5…dear me….

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It’s one person’s opinion… From the trailers and clips we saw the movie looks really good…

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Not a playground anymore, huh? Well, no. . . Obviously the reviewer hasn’t read the book(s).

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wow…harsh! though I have to say i am much MORE excited about deathly hallows than the movie….

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Because for the first time we see a white hat die. Yeah, magical romp it is not. That’s the way we’d prefer it.

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I never take what critics have to say about movies seriously. I’ve seen some movies I’ve really enjoyed that had gotten bad reviews, but then I’ve also seen certian movies that were raved about by critics and I didn’t like much. Few critics are Harry Potter fans, I imagine. Let the real fans give some proper reviews about the movie.

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not a very nice review, is it? We will have to see ourselves and decide. And it really isn’t a payground… I found GOF too rushed, so I hope this one isn’t.

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Most of the criticisms in the review are the same as the criticisms of the book- failure to advance the overall plot, leaving the audience in the same place as at the end of GOF. Which is fair enough, really. As is the point about the wait for Book 7.

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Ok having read it Im not to bothered. The reviewer obviously isnt a potter fan and hasnt read the books-but 3/5 is respectable enough. Anyway like it is being pointed out-reviewers look for the bad things and they love to whinge about the hyped up movies! I must say the “jarringly awful” comment about Dan isnt good but having said that from the 11 clips online I think Dan has improved immensly-the DA and Sirius scenes in particular. I think ill skip reviews and judge for myself. oh and seeing this film is definitly NOT a chore for me-i was excited about it long before I found out the release date for DH.

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I never listen to what these movie critics say in their reviews. What might be absolutely horrible for them, might be exciting for someone else. They could’ve given the movie 1 star and I’ll still go see it. We’ll just have to wait until in comes to the US to see if this person got it right.

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Many of the reviewers will not have read the books and will come to the films with an almost ‘child of Disney’ expectation. It does not help that this movie keeps getting bracketed with Pirates as a sort of ‘kids summer blockbuster’. We all know it is more than that and more serious too, despite the welcome humourous touches. Don’t take the critics reviews too seriously folks – remember that two thirds of cinema audiences have not read the books and the reviewers all guess at things, wrongly seeing the films as ‘stand alone adventures’ and not part of the whole ‘arc’, as we see them. They then complain that each one resembles the last, just with new touches. Keep cool. More to it than that! We know! :-)

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Well, I have to say that review was more than a little dissapointing, especially since it’s coming from The Times and everyone takes them so much to heart.

He seems to think that ALL the kids sucked this time. Usually, they say Dan sucked while Emma and Rupert shined brightly, but this guy just seemed to hate the whole thing. But I don’t exactly understand WHY he hated to whole thing.

I read the review twice, but I still don’t fully get what put this guy off. Hmmmm….maybe he didn’t eat his Wheaties or something?

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Its somehow a bit awful review. I expected atlest 3.5… but 3? mmm well i don’t want myself reading this foolish review once again. From what I have seen, this movie is above good. 1 out of 3 means “an average”.

Anyway, I really hope this movie comes out to be a better one. BTW, I wanna judge it myself, and i’ll do it. I don’t trust on newspaper reads!

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Well… While I admit that I am more excited about Deathly Hallows than this movie, I hardly think parts of it will seem like a “chore.” I guess we’ll find out in 13 days, right? :) !!

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I tend to take reviews with a pinch of salt. Afterall, it is really just the persons opinion, so doesn’t affect mines till I’ve seen it. I’m kinda cynical about reviewers aswell. They are the most pickiest people on the planet when it comes to films. Also, with HP, most journalists aren’t even the slightest bit a fan of the series, so alot of their facts and stuff are wrong, or don’t even understand why certain things have happened.

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Reading review, i looks like he is fed up of Harry Potter, specially Dan. WHY? Especially from the Sirius scene his proformence was just oscar winning! The review of Times ( i think) hates Harry Potter, he want other movies to come up and rise, over The Order of the Phoenix. (I get this feeling after reading the review).

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I do wonder if he has read the books because one of the things that annoyed me when reading OOTP was the depressing aura that hung about it. The reviewer mentions a lack of exciting spectacles like GOF, which suggests to me that he may not have read the book, and so did not expect this kind of atmosphere.

I’m not surprised by his review of the performances. I was not expecting really great things from the kids, mostly just decent. I like Dan, Rupert, and Emma very much, but they are not spectacular actors. At least not at this point. We’ve heard how brilliant Imelda and Helena are so that was not surprising. What scene is he referring to when he says that Dan is jarringly awful? Something about Voldemort. Anyone have ideas?

He also sums up some of his feelings to a sense of just wanting to know the answers, which is also something I felt when reading OOTP. We found out the prophesy, but that told us not really anything surprising. We all knew that one was going to kill the other without any prophesy telling us so. That’s the only real vital information, and the only real answer. This book, and even more so HBP, are set up for seven. The only conclusive storyline is Umbridge.

I think I’ll enjoy it from what I’ve seen so far, and other people who have seen it said it was the best of the films. So, I’m not too worried. This reporter could’ve been expecting something that the book was never going to deliver. He seemed to want the spectacle of GOF, which OOTP and HBP do not have. I don’t think we should panic until we hear more reviews. There will be many to come soon enough.

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Considering what 300, Spiderman 3, Pirates 3 and Shrek 3 got I think the review is alright. The critics have been giving bad reviews for all of the big blockbuster films this year I don’t expect any different for this one.

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okay I’m confused about what the reviewer says about the twins departure scene, the way he says it it sounds like David Yates is the one who made it up, maybe he just hasn’t read the book?

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Why is the critic talking about “furniture that punctuated”? If Harry keeps fooling around with furniture how will he ever overcome Voldermort? Obviously the HP films are getting darker just as the books. That is the way it should be.

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3 out of 5? I’m not surprised. The trailers are just devices to make movies look better than they usually are anyway. All that talk about the book easily condensing seems to have fallen flat anyhow. I’ll pass judgement after I’ve seen the movie though—hopefully tonight at the free premiere crosses fingers.

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Early reviews for Goblet of Fire were similarly “mixed” so I wouldn’t worry about it, as it ended up being the best-reviewed movie in the series.

From the review:

“But overall there is a shortage of those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films. ”

Yeah, that’s what the early reviews said about Goblet of Fire. GET OVER IT, people. The books lost their “sense of wonder” by this point, the films are following suit. There is almost NONE of this magical whimsey in Half Blood Prince, so this critic is in for another disappointment in 2008 if he hopes it will be.

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Well, The Mirror newspaper said Dan was brilliant and it was the film, and even someone who hated Dan before, saw December Boys & said he was excellent in that. This really is a dampner for me as The Times is a serious broadsheet in the U.K.

And I thought the kids, (well Dan anyway), had got better???? Guess, I’ll just have to judge for myself.

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Urgh. 3/5? thats like..just passing, just a satisfactory film. Ah well. The films are always entertaining..but hey, it’s only one critic, lets wait to see what the others hafta say. Personally im more excited about DH (by like a million times) than about OotP…

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This Lewis guy gave Spiderman 3 three stars also. He does a lot of writing out of Tokyo. He’s appears to be a serious journalist, but is he a film critic?

I think I want to read some other reviews. Not that that will stop me from seeing this movie. After watching those clips in German and a few of them in English, I am actually very excited about it.

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Well not everybody is going to love it, I’ve heard Dan is very good in it everywhere else. Rolling Stone have apparently given the film 3.5 stars out of 4. That’s a damn good score and just as valid as the Times’ journalism. Fair dues to the reviewer but there’s been plenty of others who thought the movie was good, so don’t worry about it kids.

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It’s just one review and I would wait for more to get a solid average of what people think.

(I would give Spiderman 3 a 3/5 too, but that’s jsut me)

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Oh, I don’t know how I feel if he gave Spiderman 3 3 stars. Sorry to all Spidey fans, but I thought that movie was horrible. It lacked real focus, and the emotional scenes were a joke and so contrived, and who’s idea was it to have Toby dance in the streets with slicked back hair. I would have given it 2 stars tops, for special effects, but that’s it. Don’t jump down my throat though, that’s just how I feel.

I’ll wait for more reviews, and I agree with the above poster that it seems he can’t get over the fact that these films will continue to get darker.

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All the other HP films received 3/5 stars. Don’t be alarmed. This movie will rock!

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Folks, books and movies are two poles apart. Harry Potter’s real world is in books. So, obviously a real HP Fan will have more about books than movies. But movies are movies. In the end, you’ll say “I liked the film and i loved the book”. After all, both are Harry Potter in two different formats.

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3/5? Yeah something tells me I will be disagreeing with this reviewer.

Though the reports of Bonham Carter being underused do make me sad…

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Ugh, i am so SICK of these movie critics. none of the summer movie blockbusters cut it for them. They’d rather see those boring pointless indie films and give those 5 stars. Im not taking anything they’re saying to heart, movies are for fans, not critics.

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And yet another poorly written, ill researched review of a movie written by someone who no doubt was itching to give a bad review for a film hundreds of millions of fans are looking forward to. I’m so sick of these critics who know nothing about the series other than what they have seen in theaters saying that the latest instalment isn’t quite up to par, thinking- what?- that it will make them look good to give a bad review of anything Potter? I don’t set anything in store by it.

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I think the movie will be very good but I still think based on the clips I saw yesterday I still think Dan doesn’t act that well. He still comes off flat. That was the only trepidation I had about the movie after reading that ron and Hermione and Bellatrix and other characters were not in it as much and it was very harry centered. I still think the movie will be great and the reviewer was too harsh.

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All I have to say is that this person obviously has not read the book. This book is much darker then the other ones. This is one of the best books, and besides I never listen to what critics have to say anyways.

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This guy seemed to like Goblet, so I’m not taking his word on anything. We just have to wait till there are say 10 reviews.. then if they all give it around a 3.0 that’s when I’d be worried.

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I give the review about a two.

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No romping? It’s supposed to be darker, I agree with you all, this reviewer has obviously not read the book. They should get fans to do the reviews..

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Hmmm…his opinion and I can respect that. However, I tire of the constant complaint of the “loss of the magical whimsy” in the film. I guess if the special affects (what creates the “magical whimsy”) is what gives the film 3 out of 5 stars, then we disagree on what makes a Potter films special.

Seems like this critic was looking for action packed adventure. It is kind of like the critic doesn’t want to feel as if he should have to take the movie seriously. That there might be more to the Harry Potter series than wonderment and magic. And the posters above me have made this point as well. The HP movie makers are going to have to decide soon what they are trying to do.

Granted, I go see it on opening day, purchase the dvd when it comes out and watch it on special occasions—I don’t pour over the films like I do the books. And while I can’t make a critic read the books (books aren’t movies), I guess I will have to ignore their dissapointment in the loss of the whimsy because the magical whimsy has been gone since book 1.

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I totally agree. Anyone who liked Goblet-well…must not have read the books. There are a lot of parts in that movie that were so out of character for the trio, dumbledore and cedric. But again, this review is by a person who hasn’t read the books, and as stated earlier, around 2/3 of the people who are going to see it in theatres will not have read the books either. It may be an accurate review for them but all we can do is try to get our side out there- this is ONE part of a seven book series.

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hey idiots: yeah, you! NONE OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE. YOU CAN’T POSSIBLY CALL THIS A BAD REVIEW OR IN ANY WAY BITCH HIM OUT FOR NOT LIKING IT, BECAUSE HE, UNLIKE YOU, HAS ACTUALLY SEEN IT!!! He is therefore completely entitled to his own, entirely credible opinion on it.

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Hmmm… I’m quite concerned about the “shortage of those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films”... beause that’s the part I love the most (in fact my favourite is PoA, which is undoubtedly magnificent at recreating the wizarding world) but.. we will see!

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I assume since the 5th book deals with emotion and characters rather than action, that it shouldn’t matter if we get any kind of explosive thrills. OOTP is not about action, but rather character depth and emotion. Right?

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First of all, from what I saw, Spiderman 3 was cheesy to the extreme. And secondly, “The director, David Yates, has inserted some lovely touches, including the Weasley twins’ explosive transfer from the world of academia to the world of retail”...um hello? That was not an insert of David Yates, it was a canon event from Rowling herself.

Don’t believe what this guy says, kids, he obviously doesn’t know his Potter like we do. We’ll still have a rocking good time for the film. (high fives all around)

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” They have got “angry” and “determined” down pat at this point, but struggle somewhat on the more nuanced grimaces. ” I think thats right.(especially rupert and emma.)rupert always look similar.and emma have mostly a scowl but I dont think imelda staunton and dan radcliffe not good.because they are succesfull in clips.

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“Anyone who liked Goblet-well…must not have read the books.”

Excuse me, but let’s try not to make broad statements like that. It is MORE than possible to be an avid fan of the books and still enjoy the movies for what they are.

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Was anyone arguing the fact that he is entitled to his own opinion? No I don’t think we were… I do, however, think that he was uneducated and not the best person for us to rely on a review from, as we all know most critics out there just want to make blockbusters look bad.

And Josh….well I don’t really know how to say this so I’ll just come out and do it. Be mature. No one is taking you seriously. You’re coming off as a hotheaded twelve-year-old who is just dying to swear because it makes him seem “grown up”.

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From this reviewer’s first sentence you could tell it was going to be a blast-style interview. “Only 30 autograph seekers”...seemed to be taking every opportunity to say something rude, or to find a way to say people don’t like HP anymore. Didn’t even mention Luna. And if he’s judging the kids’ skills against those of Imelda Staunton and Helena Bonham Carter…well of course they’re going to come up short. Acting like any craft gets better with age. I’m definently looking forward to the movie. Maybe more than DH, simply because there are still two more movies, but DH spells the end of the series, and I approach that with mixed emotions. -B

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WOW.. so many opinions! No way this movie can be just 3/5 classified just take a look at the tv spots on HP site:http://www.harrypotterorderofthephoenix.com/ There are so many fantastic scenarios and the special effects are great.. i think the critics are not fair for the movie it is I’ll wait until i see the movie, cause i am sure i’ll love it :D

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I read the whole article… but, in the last paragraph, he is blaming us fans for the fact that in his opinion the film is annoying, isn’t he???

Oh gawd…

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Definitely sounds like someone who hasn’t read the books. That automatically makes me discount a reviewer’s opinion. I really didn’t like Goblet but I’m actually looking forward to OotP!

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Sorry, not “interview”...I’m still working on my first cup of coffee. josh, calm down and put the espresso away.

-B

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If you go to see the movie and haven’t read the books and are disapointed in the movie then SHAME ON YOU! I, personally, cannot wait! :)

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A three out of five is fair… that’s about what I would give all the movies since they are never as good as the books, but that doesn’t mean that they are bad. I saw two really exciting things: 1. Umbridge is exquisitely dislikable… I was a little worried about that. 2. We will see more of the Weasley twins

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“For their part, a relatively sparse throng of Japan’s die-hard muggles at least pretended to take the tinseltown bait hook, line and sinker.”

All the news reports I have seen said that hundreds of people turned out for the premier in Japan. This sort of thing is going to be the norm from the high-brow critics who shake their rattles and chuck their teddies out of the pram over the HP hype. When DH is released they are going to rip the book to shreds, so this review of OotP isn’t anything to get worked up about.

Rolling Stones gave the movie a good score (although their review isn’t out yet) and both Moriarty and Quint from AICN have hinted that they really enjoyed it.

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Anyone have any other reviews yet and when does this Rolling Stones review come out.

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Oh sorry Amy sorry… Every fan I’ve talked to [yes all five of them ;)] didn’t like the GOF movie because of the out of character moments for Harry, Dumbledore and Cedric. But yeah I know it is possible for a fan to have liked it. I did somewhat…those parts just bugged me a lot.

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One thing we all need to remember is that the book is a GREAT deal darker than all of the others put together. It’s not all bubbles and sparkles, it’s dark and frightening. I think people almost expect it to be Happy and Joyfull because it has the title ‘Harry Potter’ becuase of it’s prevous books and movies. Personaly, I am not expecting to see much joy, after all bad things are going on, with Voldemort at large, the death eater’s running around, and truthfully, it’s not a bad thing at all to see the darker side of the Wizarding World. We all need to really just understand that just becuase Harry is a hero, doesn’t mean bad things won’t happen.

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It’s funny how these things go – if it had been 4 out of 5 stars, we’d think he was brilliant!

I think that there is always an agenda with most reviewers. If the director is a hipster, then critics’ll love it (see Alfonso Cuaron’s reviews – don’t get me wrong – I LOVED POA). If not, then it’s anybody’s bet. In this review, there were a number of shots at the premiere. Made me wonder whether this review has more to do with that than with the film.

Also, what the heck is “cod psychoanalysis”? In any event, I’ll still line up and make up my own mind. And yes, the Mirror (or whichever) was very positive.

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So, basically what the reviewer is saying is that this film isn’t whimsical as the last four, and that’s why he didn’t like it?

Pssht. Good, then. It’s not SUPPOSED to be whimsical. This is actually more encouraging, because it tells me that the movie is what it should be. I think by now we all get that magic is cool and fun and whatever- the whole point of this movie is about the darker side behind it and the politics that often interfere.

I’m still really excited. :)

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Wasn’t exactly a proper review imo. Didn’t say that much about it, really.

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“The acting skills of Radcliffe (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley) and Emma Watson (Hermione) have improved, but not enough to truly flesh out the characters and provide the narrative depth this transitional, plot-advancing film needs. They have got “angry” and “determined” down pat at this point, but struggle somewhat on the more nuanced grimaces. Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful.”

Ouch… I still have high hopes thou!

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I know I am going to like it no matter what. Even if they leave out so much stuff we will get to see whatever they kept and it would be thrilling to watch all that we read and love visualized on screen.

And I personaly like HP because I love the characters and their story…that they happen to be wizards doing magic is incidental and adds another dimension to their world and makes it BLOODY AWESOME!!

But at the heart of it it’s a human story!!

And I love Harry and his character and his story. Period. They can’t go SOOO… wrong with anything they make for a fan like me.

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I’m certainly not trusting this review-or any other critic’s review-because, honestly, what do critics ever like?! For example, critics hated Pirates 2 and 3, but I absolutely loved them. He said the trio’s performances are bad, but, from what I saw from the clips, Emma has stopped her eyebrow madness and rupert is great as well. And Daniel Radcliffe, in the Harry/Sirius conversation, brought tears to my eyes. So I have no idea what he means when he says he didn’t like them. I agree, Imelda Staunton was G-R-E-A-T, and Helena Bonham Carter was incredible, but he says she was “underused”. I know he’s referring to the fact that she only shows up at the end—dude, whatever your name is, read the book, because that’s how it is as well. The movie even ADDED the escape from Azkaban scene, and gave her even MORE screen time! What does he mean by underused?! What stunned me the most is not even something written in the review, it’s something that’s missing. Gary Oldman. Does that ring a bell? The two Sirius scenes I saw yesterday had my mouth hanging open. And he’s disappointed that there’s less magic. I mean, what, does he expect scenes like in PS/SS when Harry first enters Diagon Alley, or like when he first enters Hogwarts (“The pictures are moving!!!”) Thsi isn’t a kids’ movie anymore—It hasn’t been since PoA!!! This guy has definitely not read the book (probably too long for him—that’s why critics hated Pirates 3, right? Cuz it was long?) and, judging from what he said (“the thrills and fun we have not already had in previous instalments”), he didn’t like the first 4 movies either. Anyway, just thought I should say something. See you later guys, and enjoy the movie, as I know we all certainly will!

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“Excuse me, but let’s try not to make broad statements like that. It is MORE than possible to be an avid fan of the books and still enjoy the movies for what they are.”

I don’t think anyone who has truly understood the essence of the GoF book would say the movie is a good adaptation. It may well be a cool-looking movie with all the bangs and spectacles and all; people who haven’t read the books may enjoy it for what it is, albeit without understanding the whole plot; and fans could also enjoy certain parts of it, or else just choose to forget that they’ve read the book and just see what the movie has to offer; but for a real fan of the books to say that GoF was a good adaptation means he just didn’t get what GoF was about.

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Rolling Stone Mag gave it a 3.5 out of 4 so don’t listen to this guy.

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Anyone got a link for the rollingstone review

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They didn’t put it online yet. It is just in the magazine.

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I think people like this reviewer (many reviewers actually) look at the Harry Potter movies only as an original form of entertainment. That’s why the movies get high reviews (nearly 90% positive for GoF), because they obviously don’t consider them serious movies to criticize. But with Phoenix, it will proabably be a surprise to many (like this guy) that the movies have changed their tone starting with this one, and with Yates on-board. “It begins to introduce properly the idea that we are no longer in an amusing magical playground, but are en route to an epic confrontation with real victims”

Yes we know it does Mr. Reviewer, and that souldn’t be a bad thing should it? Some critics will get that, and appreciate the more serious themes introduced to go along with the magic, they’ll say it makes it more interesting, and truly it does as we know. But many others, like this reviewer will probably not welcome that sudden change b/c of how they’ve been looking at the Potter movies so far: 2 hours of cool spectacle to enjoy every 1 1/2 year. Now with Phoenix, I can already hear these saying “does away with the usual magic and fun… struggles to achieve more than it can… too little trying to do too much..” and so forth. I’ll personally turn a blind eye to this kind of response and take only take the positive side of it: There is a change. And as I’ve been very disappointed with GoF, any change is welcome at this point. And judging from the 11 recently released clips, I think it’s not just any change. It’s a big step towards perfection.

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“but for a real fan of the books to say that GoF was a good adaptation means he just didn’t get what GoF was about.”

Not all of us ‘real fans’ – whatever they are – are so enslaved by the books that we can’t enjoy the movies on their own terms instead of worrygutting about how long they are or what was cut out.

In your own way you are just as snobbish as that Times reviewer.

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What have they said about the movie the good and bad things

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YAY! The critics weren’t big fans! That gives me hope that the true “canon” fans are going to LOVE it! Kudos to David Yates and the cast, crew and writers! I can’t wait to see it!

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The movie looks good to me. I remember critics saying that the Voldemort return scene and Harry’s return in GOF was brilliant and I found it to be utter crap so I’ll wait until I see the movie to make any conclusions.

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acting skills of Radcliffe (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley) and Emma Watson (Hermione) have improved, but not enough to truly flesh out the characters and provide the narrative depth this transitional, plot-advancing film needs. They have got “angry” and “determined” down pat at this point, but struggle somewhat on the more nuanced grimaces. Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful.”

Ouch… I still have high hopes thou![/quote]

Let’s not worry about that. First, it’s one persons opinion, and that may be how he felt. But, anyway. Think of it, us readers know that the trio from the movie aren’t given the full opportunity to be as fleshed out and nuanced as in the books. They are and have done the very best with what they have been given. He did say they have improved, so I’m sure we will be proud of the trio regardless. :)

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In my last comment, I quoted something I had read in a previous comment, it didn’t do the quotes. Sorry….

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yeah…i’ll wait and see for myself thanks very much..arhhh hate critics :(

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they will release it all soon on the internet.

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Also, only 30 people showed up?

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and critics usually love these movies, so just wait until more reviews come out. and i think Andrew might be getting somewhere

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I’m just bummed that the actors seem to not have improved at all. What with how much Daniel talked about Yates pushing his acting so much, I thought there’d be a recognizeable consensus over his improvement an an actor.

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Look, Jo said about spoilers and The Deathly Hallows that people think that spoiling the book details will hurt sales, but that has never happened. It just ruins the fun. Critics often do that too. They spoil the fun. Sometimes they are right and we should steer clear of a movie. Often it’s their comparing the movie not to the original material, but to previous movies and similar movies that causes a poor review. Oh, they didn’t think it had the same whimsy as Mary Poppins and therefore it’s a bad film. What rubbish. I know that OOTP movie will not be like the book. In fact, I find myself pleased to recognize actual dialog from the book in a movie. It will in the end, be an interpretation of the book after all. Sit back and enjoy it. Wait a week, and go read Deathly Hallows. What a great way to spend July!

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Tad- that’s the thing. There hasn’t been a consensus yet. The Mirror said the exact opposite of this guy. I think this guy seems bitter by the looks of what he wrote before actually getting to the movie.

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- “Not all of us ‘real fans’ – whatever they are – are so enslaved by the books that we can’t enjoy the movies on their own terms instead of worrygutting about how long they are or what was cut out. In your own way you are just as snobbish as that Times reviewer.”

I’m sorry, I’m not ‘enslaved’ by the book, I only have an understanding of what it’s about. I never ‘worrygut’ about the movie’s length and what they cut out, as you put it. I do know how to enjoy movies, and I actually enjoyed PoA, but I can’t enjoy a BAD adaptation. I don’t define ‘bad adaptation’ as a movie that has cut out a lot of parts, but as a movie that gives a different feel and atmosphere than it’s supposed to have based on the book; a movie that distorts characters, make them do and say things they never would, and a movie that manages to make some great material look cheesy. And if you think I sound like that reviewer, read my post above to see what I think of what he’s written.

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‘Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful’

What does he mean by that? I genuinely don’t understan, English is not my first language…

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one more thing. not once did this guy mention the psychological intricacies or emotional journeys. he just kept commenting on special effects, and “fireworks”. He didn’t mention Luna once. He didn’t mention Gary Oldman’s expanded role. He only mentioned 2 actors besides the trio. He seems to have missed the whole point of the movie.

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helena- even english speakers don’t even know what he meant.

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‘Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful’

I think he meant by that the whole theme of Voldemort getting inside Harry’s head and directing his thoughts, the dreams, Occlumency lessons, possession and all that..

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I saw nothing wrong with that review. And i think this reviewer might just be a book over film fan like myself. Thats what i got from it but what do i know. Having said that i am really looking forward to this movie, haven’t felt that way about any of the others.

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even though people at chicago preview screenings said it was great acting…

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Most critics trashed Star Wars as well so I don’t listen to them anymore.

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“Ugh, i am so SICK of these movie critics. none of the summer movie blockbusters cut it for them. They’d rather see those boring pointless indie films and give those 5 stars.”

That’s because none of the summer blockbuster films have been good this summer. If a summer blockbuster is actually good, it’ll get good reviews; please consult the reviews for Spiderman 2, and Prisoner of Azkaban.

“I agree with you all, this reviewer has obviously not read the book. They should get fans to do the reviews.”

That’s an completely inane suggestion. The vast majority of film viewers haven’t read the books either. Reading the books SHOULD NOT be a requirement for enjoying the films as films. A critical review by a book fan would be terribly biased as the reviewer would have difficult time seperating the film from the book and judging the film by its own merits as a film, which, you know, is the job of a movie critic.

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I give this review a blows raspberry

I’m positive this movie will be excellent. I won’t let one little ill researched critic tell me that it sucked. Obviously it would be more entertaining for a normal movie go-er to watch ACTIONPACKED! scenes instead of Harry just spilling out all of his emotions, but who cares, we aren’t normal movie go-ers :]

However I must say that I do agree with the whole not having more Bellatrix scenes since she is one of my favorite characters. But I don’t think it will matter much, as long as the movie gets the point across that she is the reason for Neville’s parents mental incapacitation & obviously that she’s a very wicked lady.

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Has this reviewer read the books? Did he even see Goblet of Fire? Of course it’s not going to be like the others. Voldemort is back and Umbridge is in the school. There really aren’t that many “joyful glimpses” in OOTP. Harry is pissed at everyone and the Order is trying to prepare for the worst. Give me a break.

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I still miss the fact that Quidditch isn’t in. :(

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Just from a flim review standpoint-the actual film aside-it was a horrid review.

It sounds to me like the guy showed up late to the premiere.. was playing around on his blackberry the whole time during the film.. and then wrote a review on the 5 minutes he actually caught in the 30 minutes he wasn’t gallavanting around Tokyo.

Too short, misinformed, and lacking any actual film knowledge.

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It does seem to me that this reviewer is not very knowledgeable concerning the HP world. He definitely doesn’t agree with the majority of the reviewers of previous HP films. For my own personal reasons, the only reviewer I take any stock in is Roger Ebert. So far he has given positive reviews to all of the films. I trust the man and he’s a fan of the books to boot.

P.S. It’s interesting to note that on the Rotten Tomatoes website each new HP film has received a higher percentage of positive reviews compared to the film previous to it.

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I don’t think a reviewer needs to read any of the books to get the movie. The review, however, should be based on the movie, not on hype (and the reviewers feelings about the hype) or the hipness of those involved. In my opinion, reviews are often about other things than what is being reviewed. But hey, not all reviewers have loved the movies or the books. So what?

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Quote from review: “Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful.”

Can anyone tell me what that means? What on earth is a “cod-pyscholanalysis?” Or is Harry/Dan being likened to a cod (as in fish?). Yikes.

I suspect this reviewer was expecting a lighter movie. I fear that in condensing OOTP we may have a very heavy and seldom brightened movie. I know I treasured the lighter moments in the book, “Weasley is Our King,” the twins departure, etc. because the book is much more serious than it’s predecessors.

Still, the clips/trailers make me hopeful. I think they’ve done a good job. The reviewer does say the trio has improved. Since I never thought they were bad, that’s good news.

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you know what i REALLy hate…poeple who COMPLETLY overreact about this stupid Sh**. IT’S FREAKIN ONE PERSONS OPINON!!!! sheesh…it’s not like the whole world saw it and said that…

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that makes me so mad, i mean you have to respect someones opinion but honestly, from everyone else who has talked about it they said the trio did really well, especially dan, and now they’re shooting them down..idunno..im still seeing it numerous times in theaters regardless

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Is this gonna be in tommorows paper? I didn’t see it today…bit harsh isn’t it? ps: loving dans suit in that photo-they just get better and better!

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That he missed the glimpses of magic isn’t astonishing. What was not in the books cannot be in the film. Obviusly someone who didn’t read the books and therefore didn’t know what to expect. Of course the films are getting rougher, too.

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Why are you so sure, that the reviewer didn’t read the book? He surely knew enough to know what was in it. Besides, a movie reviewer does not have to read the book, because he is payed to judge the movie.

Anyway, I’m not too bothered. 3/5 isn’t too bad for the Times.

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Hmmm…perphaps. 3-5 seems a bit harsh, ut still, PG-13, it’s getting pretty scary in some of these moives, you have to remember that some young people will be watching these. I would be nice if he had read the book thought, because if he had, it would not have come as such as a surprise to him that they turn into a less magica world, and more of a adventure/horror story.

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Look at it this way, critices say that EVERYTIME!!! Since when did people take them seriously?!?

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why is it that negative reviews always make harry potter fans act like five year olds? hell, this review isn’t really even all that negative. 3/5’s not so bad.

and to all the people saying it’s obvious this guy didn’t read the book, did you even read all of what he wrote? He quite clearly did. I don’t think he’d be in any position to say “Much is explained, much is left hanging and there is nothing like the pace of action that readers had grown accustomed to in earlier episodes (especially The Goblet of Fire). The book pulled this off because it was tantalising in what it didn’t tell us.” if he hadn’t read it. Either way, it doesn’t matter. He’s reviewing the film. If he thinks Bellatrix is underused, it doesn’t matter how much of a role she played in the book. A movie can be adapted to add more of her, and if he thinks that they should have done that, that’s fine. No need to let stuff like that make you act like an idiot.

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Well I think that this view is completely outrageous, with such comments and its over-all rating. From what you can gatehr form the trailers it looks brilliant! And the clips show even greater perfomances from all actors. Bit of an embarasment that the game got better reviews, but this is the first!.

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you have to remember this film is for everyone. not just those who have read the books. The job of a critic is to watch the film on its own merit and not take into account the book.If i were someone who watched just the movies ( and i know loads of such people) i may go to the movie expecting it to be like the last esp if i was bringing younger viewers, i would want to be warned. To be a movie critic(‘critic’ and remember this is their job) you have to look at the whole package on it’s own. you can not use out side influences. I was a movie critic in my school newspaper. and there would be times that i would love a movie simiply because i was in a ‘girly mood’ but that doesn’t make the movie appeal to the mass public which i was review the film for. so i had to give a true account of all aspects of the movie. ( and before you start i never said i was a good movie critic). And lets be honest the trio still haven’t learned out to convey emotions without being extreme. We have a soap here in ireland and the actors are worse so i will never put down the trio again

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This is a load of bullocks.I have to admit that Dan isn’t such a great actor.But…Rupert and Emma?(Especially Rupert)I just think we shouldn’t listen to stupid critics.What is he thinking?Critising something he doesn’t even know?

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I haven’t read all your comments sorry, I just would like to comment about something.

I don’t really care what this person thinks about the movie, because I will have my own personal opinion when I see it. But if he knows so much about the movie like he knows about other things… them I’m sorry, he doesn’t know anything at all. There were hundreds of fans at the airport yesterday, it was really early, most fans didn’t know about the exact hour they were arriving, and the security was very tight, but still, there were a lot of fans waiting outside, it was not just the fans waiting at the airport. Not everyone could get inside.

At the premiere, there were thoudsans of fans, and there were even more people wanting to be there, but they had not won tickets to attend, so they were waiting outside too.

So this person should inform himself better before talking about Japanese fans. There has not been so much expectation for a HP movie before, every year the number of fans grows and we adore the actors.

Also, it’s senseless he said there is no magic, we have just seen 7 clips of the movie that shows all the contrary, and it was just 10 minutes of the movie. We have seen the magical and amazing new sets they have created too. He says it’s more real than the others, but that’s something good, that’s what I was wishing to see, because the books get more and more real and dark, and I’m happy to see they are showing that in the movie. I see he criticizes things like scenes that fans who have seen the early previews of the movie have said that they think they are perfectly done, and they so of their favorite scenes.

And I can not wait to read the book, but I ca not wait to watch the movie too, and many times.

So I don’t care what his opinion is, everyone is free to have thir own opinion, but I really don’t like when people talk without being well informed.

Sorry for my bad English!

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Beckyweasley13, Dan has proven to the world he is a great actor, even much better than the others, and everyone who have seen the pre-screeings talks about how good he is. This person even criticize Helena Bohan Carter… so I won’t really care what he says.

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Ah, I am not going to get too het up about this review. The movies will always miss out on nuances that the books provide, simply because it cannot fit into a 2-3 hour timeframe. I’ve learned to just go in and enjoy. “The Mummy” got horrendous reviews, and reluctantly going in to watch it, I was happily surprised to find myself enjoying it. I’m going to go in to this one with the same mindframe (I hope) and that way won’t be so disappointed with what was cut or how it is played out, as it will never match my mind’s eye. Just let it go and enjoy.

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In a German newspaper is no review but some pictures of Dan at the premiere. Quite funny. Am I allowed to post the link? I send it in to leaky. So perhaps they’ll post it. If you want I’ll give you the link, too, of course.

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Regarding the ‘bellowing cod psychoanalysis’, I think the way it needs to be read is ‘bellowing cod’ ‘psychoanalysis’. Considering what cod look like (with huge gaping mouths), it seems to me that the author is describing Harry as a bellowing big mouth when dissecting Voldemort. Just my opinion.

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I believe cod-psychoanalysis is a kind of shallow, speculative analysis of someone, or sort of fake psychological thinking posing as real psychological thinking. I believe I know what scene he’s talking about (in the game there is a scene where Harry yells at Voldemort that sounds remarkably similar) and this may end up being a very valid criticism.

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Its not surprising about Dan as he cant ACT IN POTTER.

I saw him on stage in Equus and i was blown away by him but you have to wonder why he has not been able to turn it on in any Potter films . Out of the 3 he is quite simply awful. And he still from the clips seen lacks that spark.

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Ooh, just googled ‘cod psychoanalysis’, and I think ‘Two’ is right and I was wrong.

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Thing is…is he criticising Dan there, or the script for making the psychoanalysis too cod.er..sorry….shallow??

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Oh whatever it’s still a positive review…

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The film is obviously not as playful as past films, but even if you are a HP book fan or not, what do you expect after GOF? Someone died in GOF; that should prove a point that the movies are not going to be as fun or light as past films. I have steered clear of OOTP clips that have come up on Leaky so the movie won’t be ruined for me, but judging from the trailers and what has been said in the interviews with the actors I think the OOTP movie will top all four movies, as will HBP and DH. I think that we shouldn’t worry since we look at the movies at a different perspective than those who have not read the books.

I was upset the way the critic said that it was David Yates who made up the idea of the Weasley twins flying out of Hogwarts, and how he said that Helena Bonaham Carter was “shining but underused talent.” Hopefully there will be a critic who reads the books and gives a good review. I hope future critics will give better eviews since this is only the first one. Personally, I will forever love the movies and even more, the books and I refuse any critic to dampen my love for the HP series; and I believe that the rest of the HP fans will agree with me. I may be getting a little too passionate about this but we must remember that this is only one critic out of several others. I apoligize if i am being a bit dramatic.

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I think he’s critcizing Dan and the script. In fairness, there are some real clunkers in the OOTP script. The kind of bad lines you haven’t really heard yet in these movies.

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I am also worried about the cheesy lines that they put in there. I mean its just not nessesary though it does amuse me at the Cheesiness. (I hope that how you spell it)

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3 out of 5 from someone who did not enjoy it much is quite encouraging.

The reviewer failed to mention the amazing sets, the special effects, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman…. so I am not sure whether he was really paying attention. Maybe he had a hangover?

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I’ve seen the clips and I think all the actors are great, I think Dan captures Harry’s feelings very well and he plays him being very faithful to the books. The others don’t have to play so difficult scenes so we can not really compare them. After seeing Equus, I also think we can not compare them, Dan is just brilliant. rememebr people who saw the prescreening in Chicago talked about how good all them are, how all of them have improved very much, and how the scenes with Harry and Voldemort are ones of the best and best acted.

Reading what he says about Helena Bohan Carter I even wonder if he knows something about acting… Helena is awesome, and he says she lacks of talent, senseless.

Something experience has teached me is critics seem to feel the need to say something bad everytime the say something good. Because they don’t want to look “soft”. So if they say they like ‘this’ they have to say they didn’t like ‘that’. I don’t think people should take them it seriously. There will be good and bad reviews, just like with any other fim. Actually 3/5 is not so bad for this newspaper.

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From what I’ve seen, I don’t think it will be my favorite (so far, POA was the at making me feel like I was a part of that world, but also cut some plot I would have liked to see). However, I do think it will be better than this reviewer gives it credit.

As for GoF, you don’t have to compare the movie to the book to criticize it. The whole movie was poorly put-together and edited. It felt like a slide show. They dedicated too much time to special effects (drawn out dragon scene) and not enough time to character and plot development. It felt like the whole story took place over the course of a month or two, rather than a whole school year. In terms of factoring in the book, I think it handicapped later movies in the series by not setting up crucial plot points and character relationships (i.e. the scene where Sirius comes to support Harry as he retells what happened in the graveyard was key in building up their relationship, such that you start to see a real connection and feel Harry’s devestation when he loses him in the next book. Overall, as someone who likes the books and the movies separately, for their own contributions to the series, I would have to say that GoF was extremely disappointing to me. And most of it had to do with the direction/editing, loss of magical feeling in the world (lab composition books instead of parchment?) rather than just the changes to the plot, which I could have lived with if it had been executed better.

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yeah, really harsh. I wouldnt listen to these critics anyway. Maybe if they were a Harry Potter fan, they would understand it. You can’t just say that the films were bad when you enjoy the series. Who could not like the books or movies that have made many children of this generation find and intrest in literature. It’s not a very good reveiw either. they definitely havent read the books. But i can also respect his opinon because i do think that the book is going to be better than the movie, but you would have to be a fan, and have to have read it to understand that.

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It wasn’t that bad a review- a bit lacklustre- as though he’s writing it off, like he can’t be bothered, because he knows everyone’s really looking forward to DH coming out. That’s the impression I get from it. 3/5 is a very average score though.

I hope you are wrong about the script Two because I really had high hopes in a new scriptwriter! And OooP was my favourite book so now I'm really worried :((  The main problem with the films for me have always come down to the scriptwriting, which has been simply dreadful in places. I think the cod psychoanalysis might have as much to do with script as the acting... although I'm worried about the bellowing bit.

From the behind the scenes clips I saw though (I haven’t watched the previews as I want to wait for the film), the acting all seemed good to me -nothing jarring.

oh no.. I was so looking forward to this film :(((

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It wasn’t that bad a review- a bit lacklustre- as though he’s writing it off, like he can’t be bothered, because he knows everyone’s really looking forward to DH coming out. That’s the impression I get from it. 3/5 is a very average score though.

I hope you are wrong about the script Two because I really had high hopes in a new scriptwriter! And OooP was my favourite book so now I’m really worried :(( The main problem with the films for me have always come down to the scriptwriting, which has been simply dreadful in places. I think the cod psychoanalysis might have as much to do with script as the acting… although I’m worried about the bellowing bit.

From the behind the scenes clips I saw though (I haven’t watched the previews as I want to wait for the film), the acting all seemed good to me -nothing jarring.

oh no.. I was so looking forward to this film :(((

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Does it matter if he has Read the books?

He’s a film critic and has expertise in the subject, if he rates the film as a whole as 3, well i’ll accept it, i’ll read other critics reviews and see what they have to say, but considering the other so-called summer hits, im not expecting much. =|

Im afraid the above comments have been blurred by an understandable bias towards the harry potter films.

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“oh no.. I was so looking forward to this film :(((“

Cheer up! :) Here is a more positive review from last week:

“Was fortunate enough to get into a screening a couple nights ago. Here are some thoughts – I tried to avoid big spoilers but if you really don’t want to know anything, look away…

So I saw this a couple nights ago, and it’s good. It’s very good. It’s not perfect – as with all the Potter films it feels rushed, there’s some cool stuff from the book left out and I could have done with the final battle being a bit longer. Everyone will have something to complain about, and a lot of the complaints will be justified.

But I can see what Yates was going for here, and I think he’s pulled it off really well. Goblet of Fire was really sprawling, trying to fit everything in while also keeping up the pace and keeping things exciting. This has been the basic approach of all the Potter films so far – to cram in as much story as possible (to a reasonable extent). OotP goes in the opposite direction. The focus is put squarely on Harry, it’s entirely his story. While this approach has its disadvantages (Ron and Hermione are sometimes reduced to little more than bystanders) it gives the film an emotional reality that past Potter films have lacked. It also makes up for the lack of a strong plot, which hampered the book and is still present here, but less so. The pressure is entirely on Radcliffe to carry the film, and he does so admirably, delivering a very satisfying performance, his best of the series so far. The script is based around Harry’s feelings of anger and isolation, and Radcliffe carries that off surprisingly well.

Fans of Ron and Hermione may be disappointed. Don’t get me wrong, they’re in it plenty and get some fun piece of dialogue, but neither of them really has a story of their own. Mostly they just push Harry’s story forward. As such it’s kind of difficult to talk about their performances, but I did notice that Grint has settled into his role quite nicely – with more to do, he could really shine. Watson’s eyebrows were really irritating me (whenever there was a dramatic line they’d be jumping up and down like leapfrogs) but overall she did fine. Also notable is Evanna Lynch as Luna Lovegood – I was astonished but how endearing and loveable she instantly made this character. Luna’s a great addition and all her scenes are very funny.

As usual, the vast array of British talent was astounding. Notable among them was Gary Oldman, who steals every one of his scenes and has some great interchanges with Harry; Imelda Staunton, chewing the scenery as Dolores Umbridge; and of course Alan Rickman, who doesn’t get a whole lot to do but got me extremely excited for his bigger role in the next two films. Everyone else gets very little screen time – some more Brendan Gleeson or David Thewlis would have been welcome – although they all make the most of what they’ve got (Emma Thompson almost had me in tears when Trelawney was fired).

The early scenes are standouts. The film opens with a surprisingly scary Dementor attack, then jumps into a beautiful sequence where Harry and members of the Order fly across the Thames and past the Houses of Parliament. I would have liked more scenes at the headquarters of the Order, but from a pace standpoint I can understand the move to keep that bit somewhat brief. The scenes at the Ministry are fun (and that set is beautiful). The clever uses of London is also a nice touch.

There’s a lot of political stuff going on too. Umbridge’s reign of terror gets started oddly quickly, and nothing about it is subtle, but it’s entertaining and brings something new to the table. This holds true for the whole film, from Harry’s emotional journey to the Ministry taking control of Hogwarts – it ain’t subtle by any means, but it’s effective and allowed me to invest myself in the story much more so than with past Potter films.

As I said, it’s not perfect by any means. There’s definitely a rushed feeling, if not so much during the film as when you think about it afterwards. One aspect of the book which I could have done without, Gwarp, feels shoehorned in and unnecessary. The final battle feels boiled down and disappointingly brief (not the appearance of Voldemort, which is awesome, but the Dumbledore’s Army vs. Death Eaters bit that comes before) although what there is proves very cool. And the film seems to betray its earlier attempts at emotional complexity with a corny and simplistic final message.

But it’s fun, it gets in all the best stuff from the book, the performances are the best of the series so far and, oh yeah, it’s fun. Anyone expecting a masterpiece to come out of the Harry Potter franchise at this point clearly hasn’t been paying attention. What’s more important to me is that the films be consistently entertaining, and while OotP does aim for greater heights (with mixed success), it is nothing less than a satisfying ride, and I’m happy that Yates will be returning for the next film.”

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I’m disappointed to see that the trio were given poor reviews… I was expecting their performance, after hearing the complements from Heyman and Yates, to be much more captivating.

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KT from CT, that is just an opinion, it doesn’t mean that it’s really like that. You should read the review David has just posted,

thanks for that one David!

Maybe fans should know that there are already lots of very good reviews about the movie and all the actors. It just happens that Leaky has posted this one, but they have not posted those others.

Anway, he is criticizing is the cript, because psychoanalysis means that: analysis, what it is said. But seeing how it’s obvious this person has not read the books (he thinks some of the scenes from the books were actually the director’s idea…) I wouldn’t give much importance to it. It’s true a person doesn’t have to read a book to be able to give an opinion about a movie. But he doesn’t know if what it is said it’s actually from the book, which would be a critic to the books, not the script… and we all like what it is said in the books. Also, remember Jo has given her approval to the script, so there isn’t anything there that shouldn’t be.

Don’t know… some of the things he says doesn’t make much sense to me. He says the actors can show anger and determination, and those are the main characterstics of Harry in this book, so what he is saying is that it’s well portrayed. Also, he says Helena is great but then he says she lacks of talent… Plus, a good review shouldn’t be based in people’s expectations, it’s should just be based in an opinion. And he doesn’t know what fans want or not. He is not fan, so he knows even less…

What irritates me is that he talks about what the fandom is expecting when he really doesn’t know! He is proving he has not even read the books, so he doesn’t know us.

I agree there are always good and bad reviews, for every movie. I would just like to read real reviews and not this. Maybe that paper was too What he is criticizing is the cript, because psychoanalysis means that: analysis, what it is said. But seeing how it’s obvious this writter has not read the books (he thinks some of the scenes from the books were actually the director’s idea…) I wouldn’t give much importance to it. It’s true a person doesn’t have to read a book to be able to give an opinion about a movie. But he doesn’t know if what it is said it’s actually from the book, which would be a critic to the books, not the script…

Don’t know… some of the things he says doesn’t make much sense to me. He says the actors can show anger and determination, and those are the main characterstics of Harry in this book, so what he is saying is that it’s well portrayed, but then he contradicts himself. Also, he says Helena is great but then he says she lacks of talent… also, a good review shouldn’t be based in people’s expectations, it’s should just be based in an opinion. And he doesn’t know what fans want or not, he is not fan, so he knows even less…

I agree there are always good and bad reviews, for every movie. I would just like to read real reviews and not this. Maybe that paper was do eager to say they have the first preview, he actually din’t stop to write a real review. What about the rest of the actors, the sets, the edition, the music… ?

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thanks for that other review David :)

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The reviewer hasn’t read the book, that’s obvious, otherwise he wouldn’t contribute the fireworks scene to Yates, and:

“But overall there is a shortage of those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films.”

Perhaps that’s because those joyful little glimpses weren’t exactly abundant in the book either?

P.S. Could someone link the comments back to the text version? I can’t cope with the graphics version.

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It’s just one review and it is positive really. Plus I could care less if the reviewers have read the books are not. What’s important to me is that it works as a film, for that, you need not have read the books. However, while it’s perfectly fine for this guy to have this opinion of the film I will say that the review is poorly written and gives us little insight and focus into the movie.

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With searchlights blazing hundreds of metres into the night sky, neon blistering everywhere and a battery of digital cameras capturing every second, the most ultra-modern city on earth seems a million miles from the forbidding stone walls of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.

But it was here last night in Tokyo that the world was led back – with a good dose of Hollywood razzmatazz – into the realm of magic and given its first glimpse of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: the film that sees the boy wizard growing up to face the dreadful truth of his destiny.

For it is in this latest – fifth – cinematic outing of J.K. Rowling’s saga that Harry painfully begins to understand the battles with evil that lie ahead. It is a film where the balance of narrative tips from action to intrigue and there are some that will find that tedious.

Related Links Another spell in flicks for Potter fans Student calls in Harry Potter to pay fees Last Potter book signed under moon But why, with a cast full to the brim with British talent, a British author and Hollywood’s own brand of special effects magic, should the film have had its world premiere in the Japanese capital? The answer may lie with the movie’s producer, Warner Bros, and the grim commercial dynamics of the notorious “Narita Index” – the number of screaming fans who greet a given Hollywood star at Tokyo airport. When he last landed for a Japanese premiere five years ago, Daniel Radcliffe was greeted by a hysterical brigade of 2,300 fans. Wednesday’s arrival by the teenage actor – admittedly quite early in the morning – drew an emaciated platoon of only 30 autograph-seekers.

And it is this that most worries Warner Bros, Disney and the other tinseltown studios. Last year’s Japanese box office (the second-biggest in the world for Hollywood) saw domestic films narrowly out-gross Hollywood for the first time since 1985. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire was the sole offering that prevented a total washout for Hollywood in 2006.

Collectively, Hollywood has decided that it may be time to treat its Japanese audiences with a little more respect. Hence, the latest Harry Potter film was the third Hollywood world premiere (after Spider-Man 3 and Pirates of the Carribean: Dead Man’s Chest) to be held in Tokyo in three months. Yesterday, with a lacklustre al fresco cavalcade of special effects and just a single beaming starlet, you could see that some effort was being made. For their part, a relatively sparse throng of Japan’s die-hard muggles pretended to take the tinseltown bait. The film itself is a solid, occasionally spectacular set-piece that struggles unsuccessfully to give us thrills and fun we have not already had in previous instalments.

It is far crueller than its predecessors and begins to introduce properly the idea that we are no longer in an amusing magical playground, but are en route to an epic confrontation with real victims.

The main story at this stage is the quest of Harry and Dumbledore to persuade an increasingly paranoid and uncomfortable wizarding world that its unspeakably vile nemesis, Voldemort (played by Ralph Fiennes), has returned.

The acting skills of Radcliffe (Harry), Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley) and Emma Watson (Hermione) have improved, but not enough to truly flesh out the characters and provide the narrative depth that this transitional, plot-advancing film needs. They have got “angry” and “determined” down pat at this point, but struggle somewhat on the more nuanced grimaces. Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful.

Of the adult actors, Imelda Staunton as Dolores Umbridge – Dumbledore’s usurper at Hogwarts – is exquisitely dislikeable. Helena Bonham Carter as the villainous Bellatrix Lestrange is a shining but underused talent.

The director, David Yates, has inserted some lovely touches, including the Weasley twins’ explosive transfer from the world of academia to the world of retail. But overall there is a shortage of those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films.

The fifth – and longest – book on which the film is based plays a crucial but faintly turgid role in the saga. Much is explained, much is left hanging and there is nothing like the pace of action that readers had grown accustomed to in earlier episodes (especially The Goblet of Fire). The book pulled this off because it was tantalising in what it didn’t tell us.

The film, meanwhile, a necessary digest of the 800-page book, leaves us faintly annoyed that the true denouement of the cycle is now two movies distant.

The chief problem, though, is not really a fault of the film but the near universal Potter-literacy of its prospective audience. Most Potter fans are now laser-focused on the release of the climactic seventh book in three weeks’ time and its promise to bring together the countless loose ends. The fulkl review is OK - As the waiting for the final book grows unbearable, there are moments when this otherwise enjoyable film, though nicely made and through no fault of its own, feels like a chore to be got through before the main course.

— Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is released in Britain on July 12.

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I’ve read a lot of the script and there were some parts that I really really liked because they were so in character and other parts that were just so cheesy and ridiculous. One thing JKR has never managed to be is cheesy and it irks me when the screenwriters make the films cheesy (the ending of GOF and COS come to mind). I’m not surprised that the review posted above comments on corny dialog.

I think he’s talking about the parting words, which really are a “tell and not show” scenario. I think it would be easy to show subtly that Harry has something to fight for instead of having a bit of dialog explaining that. They could have delivered the same effect with realistic dialog followed by significant looks between the three that makes their relationship clear to the audience. Like after GOF it was obvious that everything was going to change, we didn’t need Hermione to tell us that. Also, some parts of the possession scene were very cheesy and cliche (as written, I don’t know exactly how they filmed it so don’t worry). Again it has Harry saying that Spoiler he feels sorry for Voldemort end Spoiler. Personally I don’t see this as the right interpretation of the prophesy saying that his power is love. We have this little part during the possession instead of Dumbledore just telling him that his power is love in the scene in his office, or I think if they just had Voldemort possessing him and Harry gradually gaining power by the memories of his friends until finally Voldemort exits his body, it would be better than as written. But again I haven’t seen it so I really shouldn’t be judging.

I also really hoped that Emma stopped the eyebrow thing, but apparently not. Oh, well. I think she just talks that way because she does it in interviews too, but still it kind of gets on my nerves. Hopefully it’s toned down a little more than last time. The problem is that now I notice it so every time she does it it’s obvious.

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It says he has watched it in Japan, do they dub the movies in Japan? Because maybe this man has not even seen the original version.

Reading it again actually I found it funny, it is really bad written, and it’s true, he contradicts himself a lot. I prefer people reviews, like the one David posted. :)

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Well I don’t think the review is too bad. We have to remember that this is a blockbuster. It’s point is to entertain people, not change cinematic history (though I would love it if it did).

As potter fans, we will see the film in a much different light than a critic who may have never read the books. As long as OOtP gets better reviews than Shrek 3 (which was horrible by the way) I’ll be happy.

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3/5, pffff! i guess we reeli wont knw weather hes chattin codswallop or tellin the truth untill we see it, and read other reviews. but as of now, i dont think ne1 shud start panicking, this is only 1 review, who hasnt even reviewd what he liked about the film, other than a few “nice touches”. so just forget bwt him lol, and from the trailer, i can say dans acting looks immensly better than b4

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Ok I read a little of the review. Here’s a little sentence that stumped me, “The chief problem, though, cannot be blamed on the film but on the near universal Potter-literacy of it’s prospective audience.” I mean what the heck is that supposed to mean? Is he implying that theres something wrong with the fans? Another thing I think is funny is how happy and gay the other movies are. It’s like “Wake up chum, it’s not the happy little story of Bobo the rabbit.” I think it will be a good film. No matter what the stupid critics have to say.

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T_D_O: I mostly agree, and you’re very right in your comments about what Harry says to Voldemort. What bothers me most about that line is that I don’t think Harry knows enough about Voldemort, or has reached the part of his, for lack of better words, “emotional journey” to be able to say something like that. It might be believable at the end of HBP or in the DH movie, but it rings false here. And, as mentioned, it’s unecessary to have a line telling us what we could get otherwise if the story was better written.

Also, I really liked Hermione’s line at the end of GoF because of Dan’s response, “Yes.” It was just so blunt and honest, and it felt great. I think GoF really nails a lot of things and messes up on others, just like all of these movies.

But yeah, I’ve also read a bunch of the script and there are so very corny lines. Two I can think of, from Sirius and Neville, are pretty bad. The Neville one is almost entirely out of character.

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hi two, What is the line from neville please tell. You can’t tease us like that

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you know, usually, i really like the movies that get so-so or even horrible reviews. i think that most “normal” people do. most people go to a movie to be entertained not to count how many pieces of furniture we don’t see. so this review leads me to believe that the movie will be awesome. sqee.

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You are right Crookshanks_Rocks, what on earth does that mean? LOL I don’t think he even knows it.

Two, something I noticed about the clips from the movie we have seen is they kind of advance things from the last books. For example, Neville talks to Bellatrix, I can see him doing that in that way in the last book, but not really in OotP. But on the other hand, there are things, and what you are talking about Harry knowing Voldemort is another example of it, things that will happend in future books, so it’s not as bad as if they were things completely invented. I think Harry knows Voldemort better than we think, and we will see in the last book. There is something he says in OotP book, after having one of the visions, it surprises Ron, and it surprised me too. It’s like Harry knows how Voldemort is because they have both had similar childhoods and becaus eof their mind connection. So it wouldn’t surprise me if he is like that in the movie too.

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“The chief problem, though, cannot be blamed on the film but on the near universal Potter-literacy of it’s prospective audience.”

lol, I’d never really noticed that- it’s so badly written! That’s why you can’t understand it!

He’s trying to be clever. He’s assuming to know the future opinions of Potter fans before they’ve even been to see the film!

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James: That’s a good point you made, I hadn’t thought of that. Yes, I can see how they have characters speaking to others or saying things that would fit better later, in an attempt to move characters/story forward. However, my problem is just that these attempts seem poorly written in OOTP, but I guess all remains to be seen and I will save judgment because perhaps it works better in the full, emotional context of the film.

The Neville line is —-SPOILER—Bellatrix asks him about his parents and he points his wand at her and says they are “better now that they’re about to be avenged.” —-END SPOILER—-.

You can see the line in one of those 11 clips; it may not seem bad to others but it comes off wrong to me.

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To be honest, I give real critic reviews more weight than ones by fans. Fans usually give good reviews to the actors they like and tear apart the ones they don’t. I do know that Dan tends to yell his lines more than express real emotion sometimes.

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well Harry does a lot of shouting himself in the book so that comment bodes well! :D

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The review actually gave me hope. I don’t want OotP to be “Fun”. OotP was never about “fun”. I don’t want a “disneyfied” Harry.

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No, I’m not talking about fans reviews, I’m talking about reviews like the one David posted. People who knows the books, but they are not biased, they talk about the positive and negative things about the movie.

You can not juge a movie becaus eof how someone was in previous movies, specilly when what everyone, including thi writer, are saying is that they have improved a lot. Like anne says, Harry is like that in the book, and also one of the things this writer is saying is that anger is well portrayed. Seeing the trailer I agree with it.

I’m not worried about that, I’ve many reviews and I know the young cast have done a great job, all of them.

What worries me is Dumbledore, but of course this writer didn’t even mention him.

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I’m not really surprised. The whole point of this film is the reality and the emmotional obstacles that are now coming out. the first three films were for character introductions and those little ‘fun’ things but the whole reason this film is the way it is is because it has had other films before it to escalate it up to this point. They are looking at this movie as a single film, not as an enstalment.

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Seems this author just didn’t like the fact that there’s still this movie and another one before the series ends. And it seems like he was more annoyed that the movie premiered in Japan first instead of somewhere else. He said the trio’s acting as improved (no kidding) but they’ve got a ways to go, and that may be true. As the characters grow, the actors’ portrayal of them obviously will as well. It was fine constructive criticism.

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Many may not agree, but I think Harry Potter 1 & 2 were the best movies by far. It looked and therefore felt magical, and all the later movies seemed to rush from scene to scene leaving the audience withdrawn and disappointed in the outcome of the film.

Although I love the Harry Potter books, so I therefore have to like the movies as well, I must say that HP GOF was the worst movie of the bunch, jumping from scene to scene which simple took the magic out of the film. I was especially disappointed in the third task, bushes moving? What happened to some sort of creature? Not very inventive was it?

The only thing I wish for this film is that I won’t have the same disappointment as I had with GOF, and I do hope no crucial scenes will be edited out

I can’t wait for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows!

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Yeah….I dunno. I’m sure that Helana Bonham Carter DIDNT get enough screen time, I can just feel that (from what she said and other reviews we have).

I think this will be the best movie so far, but I don’t really enjoy any of them. Maybe number three is pretty good, but if I had a bunch of movies to pick from , I DEFINITELY wouldn’t pick any Harry Potter movies.

Hmmm…..so…this guy says

“Harry’s bellowing cod-psychoanalysis of Voldemort is jarringly awful. “

What does that mean? Sorry, does it mean that Voldemort appearing everywhere (like the guy in a suit) was awful, or was it Harry talking ABOUT Voldemort was awful?

Ha ha…I know I sound stupid, but what does this paragraph mean, too…

“The fifth – and longest – book on which the film is based plays a crucial but faintly turgid role in the saga. Much is explained, much is left hanging and there is nothing like the pace of action that readers had grown accustomed to in earlier episodes (especially The Goblet of Fire). The book pulled this off because it was tantalising in what it didn’t tell us.”

When it says the pacing, does it mean that it does BETTTER pacing that GoF or that GoF wasw what readers liked most, and this movie fell short?...sorry

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Daniel Radcliffe is a fantastic actor. He may not be actor of the year as Harry Potter, but I think he does great with what he has to work with (including some of the mediocre cheesy lines he’s been given). I think he soars above Rupert and Emma. Find me someone else who could play Harry Potter as well.

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How has this man watched the movie? there has not been a screening in Japan yet. There was a premiere, not a screening. The screening takes place tomorrow or on Saturday I don’t remember well. Also, WB told everyone who has seen the movie to wait for the week the movie is relased to publish the reports. So this is all very strange!

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well, casey…IM SURE he’s not lying…he probably just got in the premiere. He wouldn’t do that…

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Perhaps the reason some people are disturbed by Emma Watson’s eyebrows, is because this young lady hasn’t had Botox treatment to prevent lines on her forehead.

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i wonder how much it differs from the books… then of course, this review doesnt mean that they’ve read the book either…

i cant believe that it got 3 ou of 5!!!

as ive said before, i just hope that WB didnt change too much with the scene in the Department of Mysteries… i have a feeling that that part should be the same as it is in the book… that it’ll be important…

whatever anyone says, im still going to go see it and i’ll probably still enjoy it! so much Sirius!!!

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Although I haven’t seen it as yet, but I most certainly will go to see it on July 11th, I get the feeling that I will be disappointed. The rating from the critic plays a part to my decision but not entirely, it started when I found out they actually wanted to cut out Kreacher. How crazy is that? Kreacher has a very important part in that book, how could they possible have even thought about editing him out. This makes me wonder what else will be cropped and dropped from the film.

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im starting to wonder if this critic was under the influence of medications when he was watching ootp.:)oh well, critics didnt like any of the other blockbusters this year, so im not too worried about this movie. i couldnt be more excited to see it!!

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What you think is important in the book can sometimes be stripped away and done in a different way in film.

Film is a COMPLETELY different medium.

Im sick to death of pointing this out.

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I really hope Radcliffe can stretch his acting muscles in this movie… OTP is really emotional and he MUST get those scenes right if the movie is to actually tear at the heartstrings.

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one thing that is disappointing from the 11 clips was the score. it just doesn’t feel like harry potter magic. When I first heard the soundtrack clips, I was not completely happy with it but I figure that it was 30 second of whole songs so there must be better parts to it that they are going to use in the film. I like the story which is hedwig’s theme and the sacking of trawlawney (sp). Good score can really make the film great like the POA soundtrack.

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not a bad review i think, i’ve never been a fan of the kids acting and as long as there’s no “HE WAS THEIR FRIEND” moments i’m not gonna complain. his other complaints are things i think hp nuts don’t care about.

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Really? I like the samples I’ve heard of Hooper’s score. While it isn’t Williams, I think its much better than Doyle’s. GoF sounded too generic, kinda like it could have been in some period piwce of romantic comedy or something. I applaud Hooper for making the score very original, namely with the accordians and electric guitars.

Although I’ve had my doubts about Radcliffe’s acting, a movie still can be fun with a so-so male lead. For example, Tobey Maguire and Hayden Christensen are both nothing spectacular, but their movies are both enjoyable.

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Tobey Maguire is nothing spectacular? Perhaps you should watch some of his other movies, like Wonder Boys (oh, that’s written by Steve Kloves, who is very good, in my opinion) or Cider House Rules, written by John Irving.

Ahem. Everyone return to the topic at hand….don’t mind me. He’s one of my geek crushes!

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If this reviewer is annoyed that the story’s denoument is two movies away, he is going to give the HBP movie a 1 out of 5 rating cause that book does not even solve the cliffhangers in OotP. lol. Practicaly nothing hapened in the HBP book.

Anyhoo, the OotP film will surely have the adaptation as its weakest point. It’s the longest book and compressing all that into a two hour movie is a huge task. I hope Goldenberg gave Dan some good lines as I don’t expect to see much action in this film considering they’re marketing it as the most emotional film so far.

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“Rolling Stone have apparently given the film 3.5 stars out of 4”

Are we sure about this?? If you mean Peter Travers, then it seems VERY unlikely. I’ve been reading him for years and it seems so unlike him. Of course, it would be great if it actually is true. And he DID give POA 3 1/2 (out of 4) so maybe he really did love this one.

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What I have seen from the trailers and the clips and the images says that this will be a great movie! I think that this reviewer hasn’t even read that books or he would know how the story is changing. I never like reviews they never never match up to what I think about anything.

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3 stars… well fair enough I suppose. Because in the eyes of a layman, Harry Potter is not the greatest thing in the world (shock, horror!), and 5 stars marks a masterpiece. A 5 star movie doesn’t come along very often, and lets face it guys, while the HP movies are good, they aren’t the greatest movies in the world, unlike their book counterparts, which are the greatest books in the world. I don’t think we can interpret this review as the reviewer hating HP, but that they don’t have a biased view of the film. I, and I’m sure many others, have a slightly biased view, and that generally with the movies, reading the books before hand helps immensely.

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Why is it most of you people complain when the critics say something negative about the movies and accuse those critics of being biased, but when those same critics praise the kids (DR/RG/EW) everybody agrees with them?

Why is it that when sbd dares to bash the kids´ performances, the die hard fans invariably answer with a: ¨Movie critics know better than you do, so STFU!¨?

You cannot praise those critics when they say good things about the movies and the TRIO and dismiss those very critics when they dare to give the movie and the kids a negative review.

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You make a good point, chico_jr!

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<<<>>>>>> I just attended the Myspace screening here in Atlanta,GA USA and let me say… the movie was fantastic!! This movie is for the book fans. The reviewer is correct in saying that it doesn’t have much fun light-hearted stuff. That’s why this movie is so good. I absolutely HATED Goblet because Newell’s sitcom-style slapstick absolutely VOMITED over JKR’s beautiful story. Everyone seemed to be out of character, the plot was demolished. This movie, while it does leave out a lot understandably, still keeps the spirit of the books- and I cannot think of one scene that I could say was unnecessary or movie fluff. I am a very hardnosed book stickler, and the only way this movie could have been better for me was if it had been a miniseries containing each minute detail!! 5 STARS FOR ME!! Dumbledore was MUCH,MUCH better. The acting is superb. DELICIOUS Snape scenes!!!!! Not enough McGonagall, but her scenes are good. The score is much better IMO than GOF (no happy music while Ron says “piss off”, LOL) but still not as good as POA. To be honest, not enough Ginny. And the kiss… went on, and on, and on, and on…..... LOL!! The emotion in this is outstanding. Many of the lines are straight from the book, in the places they should be. I don’t know how they did, but they actually pulled off the seemingly impossible task of demonstrating a relationship between Harry/Sirius and Harry/Dumbledore. Can’t think of anything else, but I’ll try to answer any questions you guys have if you want!

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For me a diehard potter fan I have to say that the trailers and clips we have seen so far excite me much more than the GOF film. There seems to be so much that is so faithful to the book. Like with the POA film (my favourite so far) it seems to be a film for the book fans. I can’t wait…

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This is only one review out of many (and by the way, The Times will post another review made by a different Times critic when the film is released). There are still loads more newspapers that are going to review this film: The Guardian (they do think very highly of Harry Potter and of Dan so expect a brilliant review from them), The Independent, The Daily Telegraph, The Sunday Telegraph, The Sunday Times, The Observer, The Independent on Sunday, The Daily Mail, The Sun, The Mirror (again), plus a load of magazines and local newspapers as well. And that’s just from the UK, there will be loads of reviews from American newspapers and magazines as well. And not to mention reviews from BBC Film and Channel 4 Film.

So this film will still have plenty of chances of gaining positive reviews. It’s already received great reviews from the test screenings.

Look at the reviews Pirates 3 received. The reviewers criticized the actors, even Johnny Depp got panned by some. And don’t get me started on what Orlando Bloom got. Spiderman 3 did get slightly more favorable reviews, but in whole they were still mixed. Shrek the Third has received not so good reviews, mainly due to the film rehashing old gags, below par voice performances and favorite characters being underused. And films such as Norbit and Epic Movie were universally panned by critics on release.

Out of all the blockbusters released this year, I think OOTP will be one of the best.

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Wow, that’s hard for the trio ! But I must admit, Dan’s strange faces are a bit too much. But he also had incredibly good reviews for Equus, so… I don’t know. One review’s not enough for making ourselves an opinion. And I still want to go see it the 11th !!

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The main difference between GoF and PoA and, hopefully, OotP, is that both Yates and Cuaron are Harry Potter fans, they read the books and they liked them. Newell probably read the book (not bookS) because he had to do the movie, but in my opinion he didn’t like it, or he didn’t get involved in the plot and in the whole world. He did his job, he cut magic and he made Hogwarts look like a normal British college, so that’s the reason why the film didn’t work. He didn’t love what he was doing, so he was not able to understand and recreate all the atmosphere of these books. So I think that Yates has done a great job, or, at least, a better movie.

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Well, you know, the Times belongs to Mr. Murdoch. When Flickfilosopher comes out with her review, it may be worth reading. But really, I don’t see how any reviewer’s negative statements can dull my enthusiasm to see this movie at this point. I’ve seen some of Yates’ work, and I have very high hopes.

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Here’s the link to a much more positive article about OOTP from the Telegraph, that Times review will soon be a distant memory. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/29/wpotter129.xml

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An article in today’s Daily Mail also compliments Dan on his acting in OotP. Of course none of these positive comments will reassure a certain subset of fans who are afraid that Radcliffe overshadows their ginger-haired Chosen One, but nothing will please those people anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/bazbamigboye.html?in_article_id=465088&in_page_id=1794

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Mike, lucky you. My question is how was Snape’s worst memory scene? Does lily stand up for snape? How do the young gang do? How many scenes is snape on? Does he and sirius have their fight?

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Okay, Mike. How was the cod psychoanalysis and the crying?

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Get a grip. The movies are completly different from the books. I am excited about both of them. This review did nothing to change that. I just hope it gets some better ones. Dan, Emma, and Rupert are great actors in the first four and I’m sure they will be in OOTP also. Only 11 more days…

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The bit about Dan was the thing I was dreading the most. It’s going to put him back to square one again with all his haters saying can’t act etc…just when at least he’d got off the ground a bit with Equus!

I think he has easily the hardest part out of the three, even so, we were lead to believe that Mr Yates had got a good performance out of him, but that’s their fault I suppose.

It doesn’t matter what fans say, if one critic dislikes you, Dan’s credibility will be down the tubes again. I’m so gutted I can’t tell you, I was really, really looking forward to his performance and the film and one critic blows that all away.

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Julia, I think you need to read some other reviews to reassure yourself(guardian, telegraph, mail) and perhaps get a grip. I doubt he’s as worried as you.

I’ve seen some of your posts elsewhere and they’re worrisome.

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As long as the movie is targeted toward lovers of the book, I’m sure we’ll like it. After all, we don’t need it to be a complete, cohesive storyline, exciting and fun all the way through, because that’s not what the book is about. Since it’s that lack of entertaining, clear-cut start-to-finish plot that seems to be one the reviewer’s main criticisms, I’d say we don’t have to worry. I am a little worried about the acting though. I mean in the clip of the Occlumency lessons (it can be found here: http://orderofthephoenix.imeem.com ), as soon as Snape says Legilimens Harry screams. What is that all about? It’s not like Legilimecy is supposed to be painful. Or is that Dan’s impression of trying to block the invasion into his mind?

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I can’t say I’m disappointed in this review. After the debacle that was GoF (“Newell’s sitcom-style slapstick absolutely VOMITED over JKR’s beautiful story” – Mike, truer words were never spoken). I haven’t been truly pleased with the book-to-movie translations since CoS, so I’ve been trying to keep my expectations low. I know it’s hard for movies to stay faithful to the original book, but I think they could be doing a better job in keeping with the spirit of the story. For example, characterizing Ron and Hermione properly, cutting back on the hour-long dragon chases, keeping in line with the major plot points and make it more about TELLING THE STORY and less about showing off their fancy-schmancy special-effects tricks. The last movie to do that last one was CoS. Say what you will about Chris Columbus, but he made sure there was a balance between the basic story and the visual effects bells-and-whistles. Since he left, we’ve been getting too much of the latter and not enough of the former. About the only thing that has saved the movies is the brilliant casting (Michael Gambon notwithstanding), which this review pointed out. I am excited to see Staunton and Bonham-Carter as Umbridge and Bellatrix as well as Maggie Smith, Alan Rickman and the others.

Love from, Jenny Wildcat

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I’m a bit worry about the acting (yeah, like that “HE WAS THEIR FRIEND” moment). I mean, does anyone that’s seen the clip of the Occumency lesson have an explanation for Harry’s yell that immediately follows Snape’s Legilimens? Since when is Legilimency painful? Or is that Radcliffe’s impression of Harry’s attempt to block?

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Alexandra, if you’ll recall from the books, Harry does yell when he’s trying to block Snape. I think Snape chastizes him for it.

If anything (from the reviews so far), the weaknesses of the books have been transferred to screen. Don’t hate me for it…but the love is all you need business seems a bit, well, trite.

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Honestly I feel that this guy has his own opinions on the Harry Potter films. As said by someone else I have read this review and I myself cannot seem to completely understand why this man does not like the films I mean honestly. Well thats how i feel and thats how he feel and reviews are really only based on opinions anyway so whos to say whats good and bad besides the person that see the movie. Well yea again i would take it literally because thats all it is , just someones opinion .

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<<<<<>>>>>>Luna-and any other Marauders fans: Snape’s memory was good, but VERY VERY brief. It wasn’t shown through the pensieve, it was shown as when harry throws a Protego against Snape’s Legilemens and it backfires on Snape… so 1 full minute tops on that. I’m almost certain Lily was not in it, but as it was so brief it was hard to catch anything. I wouldn’t spoil it for you, but I think if there’s something you’re really anxious about that doesn’t happen, knowing beforehand will help you enjoy the movie more…. Also, I’m happy I got to see it early, but I HATE that I can’t turn right around and watch it again!!!

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Whoops, I just posted the previous comment, but for some reason it posted my name as “Luna”, LOL.

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There’s a better review in the Telegraph. I think someone posted the link above.

Mike, thank you for your review. That makes me look forward to it again, since it is coming from a stickler for the books.

I agree with padfootrocksmysocks that the MOM scene needs to be really good, but I know that they have definitely altered that because David Yates said so.

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also a nice interview in Telegraph of the Trio http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/06/29/nosplit/bfpotter129.xml

and review of premiere (and kind of the film) in Guardian, scans on danradcliffe.com

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The man is whining over not seeing enough furniture. Where does he work during his day job…Ikea?

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Another lukewarm review:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film/reviews/article_display.jsp?JSESSIONID=ngLvGF2FSm2hxjhp0qt2TSv159VNh4vwkn8Jz9RFJxttrGhZp0zB!1659900360&&rid=9447&imw=Y

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Here is another review- from “Variety”

http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117934037.html?categoryid=31&cs=1

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Okay, I’ve read a couple of comments now, and all you fans criticizing a critic need to shut up and calm down. Honestly, it is his opinion (and it’s only one opinion). Critics don’t look for movies to hate (why else would they want to live to write about movies to see?), they just try to point out problems in the film so that if you don’t like what the film makers did you won’t have to see the movie. And fans saying things like, “I don’t trust his review because he is not a massive fan of the books who can’t judge the movie to the book”. Well, duh… he reviews the movies, not the books. His job is to see the FILM, NOT THE BOOK!!! Understand? Also, critics don’t slam blockbusters because they’re blockbusters, they write bad things about the film because it was bad in their opinion. Why were the “Lord of the Rings” or the first two “Spider-man” movies praised by critics? The answer: they were good movies (LOTR is Great!). Also, someone said something along the lines of “No true Harry Potter fan liked Goblet of Fire.” It is comments like this that get on my nerves. Not only was GoF a great adaptation, it was the best film. The film makers nailed the spirit of the story in GoF, and that’s what is important in translation the book to the screen. Films ARE NOT slaves to their books. Have any of you out there read “Lord of the Rings”? How many of you have seen the movies? They changed tons of things (many for good reason, and for the better of the film) because they wanted to make a good film, not because they wanted to anger fans. I just wonder why purists can’t see that a movie is a movie, and a book is a book. Good bye.

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The Times Online review was NOT a REVIEW! It’s an article about the world premiere in Tokyo, a commentary on the HP franchise in particular and a criticsm of Hollywood in general. It attempts to give an ominous prediction that the HP fans have tired of HP and this movie will go down the drain as it is overshadowed by the last book. I almost gagged at its obvious dislike for HP. Imagine bringing in the 2,300 fans who greeted Dan in Tokyo 5 years ago compared to the less than a hundred fans who turned up at the airport this year! What a crap! He didn’t even take into consideration that the HP franchise is trying to grow up and Dan arrived very early to avoid juvenile airport hysteria. And calling him a “beaming starlet” as part of Hollywood phony theatrics! dumb%$#. Pay no mind to this “review”. There is a general bias against Harry POtter but we fans will judge the movie for ourselves, no thanks to trying hard reviewers.

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Interesting that the critic should pick up on the lack of, “those joyful little glimpses of the wizarding world’s furniture that punctuated and perked up the previous films.” I felt the same about the book. Sooo, I bet that means the movie is faithful to the book, which means it will be excellent.

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Some people need to calm down! Even if the film is bad, there’s always a next time somewhere in 2008 or 2009 when HBP comes out, and I’ve heard thatJK Rowling iwill be helping them with it, so book fans should not complain about it. Ootp, well, i’m putting my self in a straight jacket to prevent myself to peek at spoilers like clips and reviews, but I should be satisfied even if everyone absolutely HATES it or something because it’ll be better that watching some alien movie like TRANSFORMERS (no offense to the fans, but I found the commercials and the TV episode rather annoying whenever it comes on)and after the disappointing third for Spidey (again, Please resist the urge for pitchforks), this should be a relief cuz i’ll know what’s going on without having to ask another person in the theater.

I wish that I could just take all of the previous directors, Alfonso, Chris, and Mike, and have thier styles put together, because I notice that all three of them acceled in different regions in the Potter Movies. Chris Columbus was very loyal to the book’s details which is essential for the hardcore fans. Alfonso Cuaron is a very good director when it comes to emotion and visuals (the change of mood from one scene to the next) and the whole POA movie flowed together the most smoothly out of all four. Mike Newell brings the fun into the movies. I found GOF more cheery than POA at times, and I think that’s sometimes necessary for the younger kids who watch it. It’svery unlikely that this will happen, but that is the clear distinction I’ve seen between all the directors, and thought that to make a movie of a standard that is outstanding for these grumpy, hard headed viewers, it would take all of these traits to make one.

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