“Twilight” Author Stephenie Meyer Talks J. K. Rowling

101

Apr 10, 2008

Posted by EdwardTLC
Uncategorized

In a new interview on MTV.com Stephenie Meyer, the author of the popular “Twilight” novels, discusses Harry Potter author J. K. Rowling along with the similarities she finds between the “Twilight” and “Harry Potter” series. While Mrs. Meyer notes she has not yet had the opportunity to meet her fellow author, she does say she “would love to sit down and talk with her.” She continues, noting the fact that while both series are hugely popular among younger readers, comparing one series to the other is something she finds difficult to do. She states:

“The interesting thing about the comparison is that I think you can compare my fans to her fans more easily [than me to her]. I do think that we both have people who are just really really enthusiastic, and will come miles to see you and be involved, and everybody really cares about our characters. But the ['Harry Potter' and ˜Twilight'] stories are just so different.”

“J.K. Rowling’s audience is everybody, so that means we all have a piece of her audience’ Meyer laughed. “It’s terribly flattering to be compared to her, but there’s never going to be another J.K. Rowling; that’s a phenomenon that’s not gonna happen again.”

Finally, Mrs. Meyer goes on to talk more on topics she would like to speak with J. K. Rowling about if given the opportunity, including Jo’s thoughts of the Harry Potter films, her fans, and her experience of being a popular writer. As readers will remember, actor Robert Pattinson (Cedric Diggory) has been cast as leading man Edward Cullen in the upcoming “Twilight” film. All three previously released novels in the “Twilight” series are available for purchase in our Cauldron Shop.





241 Responses to “Twilight” Author Stephenie Meyer Talks J. K. Rowling

Avatar Image says:

“that’s a phenomenon that’s not gonna happen again” You are DARN right! :D

Avatar Image says:

Hmmm… I haven’t gotten around to reading Twilight yet. Should I?

Avatar Image says:

twilight is great! i definitely see that fandom expanding similiar to our beloved harry potter fandom =) i agree with stephenie though, the books themselves are very different. very cool to see another one of my favourite authors on here!

Avatar Image says:

This is just about the most beautiful love story I’ve read in a very looooooooong time. And even if the HP phenomenon will of course not happen again with another book (at least with the same figures) I really do hope that Twilight will be as universally known as HP, it just has to be. (and at the same time, i’d really like to keep it to myself… lol)

Avatar Image says:

Stephenie Meyer wishes she had even 1/100th of JK Rowling’s talent. At least she recognizes she’s not “the next JK Rowling” like far too many people have been saying.

Eeep, I should probably go and hide now before I get attacked…

Avatar Image says:

I never even heard of this series! Maybe only in US? Sounds great though, will look out for it at my local bookshop tomorrow.

Avatar Image says:

When younger, I saw books as something for grown ups or people with a really big brains. As you can see, I was a really stupid kid.

But after reading Harry Potter, all this had changed… BIG TIME.

I think Twilight and Harry Potter is just one of those stories that, after reading it, you think to yourself ” Wait, a single person wrote this?”

So, I disagree with Stephenie whole- heartedly. Not the part that she WILL become the next JKR, but that she’s just got what it takes to be a person with the same love and respect that Jo has from the fans for her writing.

In a way, they’ve both changed my eyes towards reading. (just not to red)

Avatar Image says:

I really love the Twilight series, but of course it will (probably) never include as many books as HP so the Twilight fandom could not grow so fast before the last on is published. But then she’s going to write (at least the first one) from Edwards point of view as well. I know a lot of hard core Potter fans really really love the series which made me read it as well and I’m sure the Twilightfandom will get a lot bigger as well. There’s a bit…erm…Vampirerock already as well gg written by wrockers (yay Lauren and Nina!!) but still :D

Thanks for posting…Edward…rofl ;)

Avatar Image says:

A lot of people recommended the Twilight series to me after I finished Deathly Hallows and I’ve read all three books in that series. To be honest, I’m not all that fond of them. The Twilight books read like a self-insert for teenage girls. The writing is melodramatic and tedious. There is a description about how “hot” the main vampire character (Edward) is on practically every page. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, happens to fall in love with the clumsy main female character (the self-insert).

I CANNOT fathom how this series got so popular. The Twilight story reads like the “Mary-Sue” fanfics people are always complaining about. The characters are cookie-cut outs and stereo-typical.

It doesn’t come close to Harry Potter but it seems a lot of HP fans migrated to that fandom after DH to fill up the hole HP left.

Avatar Image says:

Twilight is really the story of a girl stringing along a couple of chumps (albeit vampire and werewolf chumps). These types of stories are typically very popular with girls. The HP series has a more universal appeal. It’s kind of like comparing New Kids on the Block to the Beatles.

Avatar Image says:

I’ve just regained some respect of Stephenie Meyer.

Avatar Image says:

How refreshing, to read an interview with an author in which that author doesn’t (either overtly or subtly) express bitterness, resentment, or disdain toward Jo’s writing or her commercial success. So many other authors claim to respect Jo, blah blah blah, but always manage to sneak in snide, passive-aggressive comments about her and/or her writing.

Not so Stephanie Meyer. I haven’t read her Twilight series, but her interview makes me want to pick up her books, not just because the series itself sounds interesting, but because Ms. Meyer sounds like a class act who can appreciate another author’s success without being bitter about it. Good for her.

Avatar Image says:

Ok, I got the LOTR and the His Dark Materials comparisons. Hell, even Narnia… but TWLIGHT? Seriously?!

Avatar Image says:

Actually, after reading some of the later comments which include descriptions of the books, perhaps they don’t sound quite so interesting after all. (Love triangle? Um, no thanks.)

Nonetheless, I still have respect for Ms. Meyer for being classy and gracious.

Avatar Image says:

I’ve gotta agree with Julie and Protego. The Twilight series is an overly saturated romance novel. I can’t believe people actually enjoy reading it. What an insult to the Harry Potter series that people compare the two.

Avatar Image says:

I love twilight! I agree that HP and Twilight are completely incomparable. I dont know that Twilight will become as big as a phenomenon, but it is prreeeeetttty big. Its amazingly popular among teen girls. I think it would be great for Meyers and Jo to sit down, although I hope that Meyers would be intimidated. : P she’s not on the same level as our beloved Jo!!!!

Avatar Image says:

Harry Potter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twilight times a zillion.

Avatar Image says:

I am strong believer that you can’t judge something, especially a book, until you read it yourself. So if you haven’t read the Twilight saga then don’t go saying anything disrespectful towards it. I have read both the HP and Twilight series and am a huge fan of both. I just don’t understand why people have to be so hostile.

Avatar Image says:

Looks like I’m going to have to start using part of my last name when commenting, since Ashley is much too common a name. I just wanted to make it clear that I’m the Ashley who posted the first two times, but not the same Ashley who posted the third time (the one who said HP>>>>>Twilight). Not as a jab at the other Ashley, you understand, just, you know, to differentiate. :)

Cheers, Ashley McC

Avatar Image says:

I have a theory about Twilight’s success…

One of the reasons, I think, is that some of the female HP fans wanted more focus on romance in the HP series (or maybe a different pairing) and so, they started looking elsewhere. The other is the media’s fuss about the “Book-That-Took-The-Number-One-Spot-From-Deathly-Hallows-After-Many-Weeks”, which happened to be book 3 from Meyer’s series. I’m not saying that Meyer’s books have no merits, only that they have found an audience longing for a romantic storyline and willing to share it with their friends (the same mouth-to-mouth phenomenon that propelled Harry Potter).

That’s why I think it’s so funny to see some Twilight fans saying it’s “so much better” than HP. They are two different stories that appeal to different tastes. I don’t like sugary romance and from what I heard about these books, they probably are the kind of thing I need to avoid like the plague. Does that make them inferior? No. Just not my type.

(and I’ll probably read the first book anyway when it goes for sale in Brazil. Just to see what the fuss is all about…)

Avatar Image says:

I luv Twilight! I mean HP is still my favorite series, but Twilight is pretty close

And Edward just ROX MY SOX! He can bite me any day : )

Avatar Image says:

Oh, please. Stephanie Meyer needs to step down off her high horse. While the Twilight books are mildly entertaining, they aren’t even in the same universe as the Harry Potter books. Twilight is a “Sweet Valley High” style romance with a minimum of real plot. There is no comparison in any way, shape, or form.

Avatar Image says:

I’ve read all three Twilights. The first one was good, but I lost interest after the third one. I don’t know how they are making the first book into a movie though, there isn’t very much attention-keeping plot that could translate into a film (it stands alone as a book just fine).Thank goodness the author has addressed this, so maybe some fans will stop bragging- There is NO COMPARISON. JKR wrote a classic. Depending on how well the upcoming film version does at the box office, Twilight is not a series that will be read to our great-great-grandchildren for generations to come. It’s a temporary teenage-girl phenomenon because everyone wants Edward as their boyfriend. lol

Personally I wish some HP actors were in the Gemma Doyle Trilogy (A Great and Terrible Beauty, etc., by Libba Ray). Now, those are books I’ve devoured because they are so well-written. :)

Avatar Image says:

I guess its time I read the Twilight series. Too many good reviews for me to fight it any longer. :)

Avatar Image says:

I’ve read the first book of the series and while I enjoyed it, it’s certainly a “teen romance novel” with vampires and werewolves thrown into the mix. I has neither the action nor the sweeping and intricate universe of the Harry Potter novels. I can see why many girls have moved onto Twilight from Harry Potter, but I don’t think it’s a good match for the majority of HP fans. I agree with Libby; unlike Harry Potter, I doubt Twilight will stand the test of time.

Avatar Image says:

I agree wholeheartedly with Luiz.

I just don’t have any interest in reading Twilight, and even less after reading all the reviews people have put on this post. It doesn’t seem like my kind of reading. I may one day read the first one, to see what all the hype is about, but I’m in no hurry.

On a side note, Stephanie Meyer lives not too far from my parents’ house.

Avatar Image says:

I bought a Twilight book. I got it in the mail yesterday and I was not expecting it to be that big. I read the prologue and it doesn’t really grip my attention, but I might read it over the summer. I don’t know if I’m gonna read them all though, I might just have to wait until the movie comes out. But she’s right, there’s NO ONE like JKR.

Avatar Image says:

There’s nothing unique about the Twilight series – I just found the writing so predictable – it was like reading any other young adult novel. What I love about HP is that it accentuated my love for reading; the books made me seek out classics and read beyond what they told us to read for school. I wish more high school students would read Dahl, Wodehouse or Richmal Crompton’s brilliant Willaim series instead of just teen fiction that has no depth.

Avatar Image says:

ps- I didn’t mean that all high school students read only young adult fiction- only that a majority of students I tutor do.

Avatar Image says:

Personally, I think Twilight is fine, but shallow. No comparison to HP at all.

Avatar Image says:

From what I know of Meyer as a person, she seems cool. It’s sad, then, that one of the inadvertent messages of the Twilight series is an unfortunate one: That it’s fine for a teenaged girl to let her “one true love” lock her up ‘for her safety,’ save her butt at each turn, and basically give up everything and everyone for him. Bella is a vessel for reader self-insertion, as someone said above, and she needs to get some backbone and gumption (I almost typed ‘spunk,’ fyi. But I think that means something totallllly different in other countries than it does in America. hahaha).

Avatar Image says:

I love both series and their characters… I think the stories are different so can’t compare them, but they are both great. I just have to say that just because some people don’t like Twilight, it doesn’t mean it is not good, Stephanie Meyer wrote a beautiful love story

Avatar Image says:

I love both Twilight and Harry Potter, but the latter is my favorite. Twilight is an excellent series, and I loved reading them. The story is well thought out and the character believeable and loveable. Trust me, I had my doubts, but I was not let down. I would never be as obsessed with Twilight as I am with Harry Potter though. Stephanie is right is saying that the stories are completely different, because they are totally different, yet I can see similarities.

I love both JKR and Stephanie Meyer (:

Avatar Image says:

“It’s kind of like comparing New Kids on the Block to the Beatles.”

Well said, Protego.

Signed, Someone who couldn’t get past page 50 of Twilight.

P.S. But if people love it, that’s cool. It’s a great big beautiful world with plenty of room for us all. ;-)

Avatar Image says:

I got the first Twilight book specifically because so many people in the Harry Potter fandom were recommending the series.

It was, without question, the worst book I’ve ever read. Other posters ahead of me have accurately described why. I’m very sorry to the people that like it, but I’m actually baffled that so many people seem to enjoy it especially after coming off such a brilliant and well-written series as Harry Potter.

Avatar Image says:

Neither of the series are what I consider high literature, but they’re a good starting point for young people. (Although I’d rather recommend LOTR, Narnia, and His Dark Materials).

Avatar Image says:

Um. I have read Twilight, and as much as I enjoy it on a sort of shallow, guilty-pleasure kind of level, it has very little literary value. I’m not saying these kinds of books aren’t fun to read, but they aren’t great works of fiction like Harry Potter. They aren’t even close to being on the same level as that. I read, once, of a professor who said people ought only to read great books, not good books. There are plenty of good books in the world, but the number of great books is far fewer and of much more value to read. Twilight is just good, it isn’t great. Harry Potter on the other hand IS great.

I wouldn’t discourage anyone from reading the Twilight series. I’ve enjoyed them, as I said, but they just aren’t that wonderful. They are not very well written at all, and the characters need work to be less 2-dimensional. Enjoy them if they’re your thing, but don’t expect the world’s best writing when you pick them up.

Avatar Image says:

I love both fandom! BOth series are amazing but my heart is compleatly in the grasp of the Harry Potter series and most likely it always will be, not even twilight can change that. But they are amaing book s and it took me over a month after being given the book to read it. I was worried it would hurt my love of HP as stupid as it sounds. BUt it didnt i love them both but Harry POtter more. They are great books and are a SUPER FAST READ, nothing comparied to what this fandom has been thought, and are woth the time. People who havnt read the book please do they are good i promise. lots of love- coco

Avatar Image says:

harry potter and twilight, well i love them both and like harry potter, when i was reading twilight i couldnt put it down, it missed out of some school because of those books, I asked my sister to read the first chapter of twilight and she read it in a day! if you havent read twilight yet then what the hell have you been doing? it’s a great read and with the movie coming out it’s even better. all i can say now is read Twilight now ! when your finished with that read the next book New Moon and then Eclipse, warning you may go twilight crazy.

Avatar Image says:

I know I’m going to come off all schoolmarmish and high & mighty, but I do think it’s kind of sad that this comment thread has become all about how much some dislike the Twilight books, and how “ZOMG you got that right you better not EVER think you could be as great and talented as JKR, yo!”

It seems to me that what’s being overlooked is that in the interview, Stephenie Meyer makes no pretension to being as popular or successful or as long-lasting as Jo. She acknowledges that even though she finds it flattering, the two book series are completely different, and they can’t really be compared. She is nothing but humble and gracious about Jo. And frankly, after some of the snide, passive-aggressive comments made about Jo by other authors, I find that refreshing.

I’ve never even read the Twilight books, or for that matter even heard the name Stephenie Meyer until I read this article, and yet I’m feeling an overwhelming compulsion to defend her. She made such kind and gracious comments about Jo and HP, and she’s being repaid on this comment thread by more or less being told her books suck, and to stay in her place and NEVER think she can compete with Jo. Never mind that she never claimed such a thing in the first place. Quite the opposite, actually.

Okay, schoolmarmish lecture over. Carry on.

Avatar Image says:

Twilight is a fun light read, there’s nothing wrong with them or enjoying them. they are not on the same level as Harry Potter by any means (and its nice to see that the author realises this) but the comparison is not comming from the books them selves, it’s the fandoms they’ve inspired.

HP struck just as the internet was making online socialising big, new fandoms of any series/movie/following ect. are simply working in a different league now. Mayer hit the nail on the head, the comparision comes from the level of enthusiasm of the fans, not from actual content.

i wish fandoms were like this when i was in middle school. i would’ve been all over the Christopher Pike fandom

Avatar Image says:

Ugh. I hated the Twilight books (I coudln’t make it through the last one and nearly gave up quite a few times on the second one.) I think they send out terrible messages to young girls (just give up and stop living if your boyfriend leaves you, for example) and are poorly written.

It’s good to see that Meyer doesn’t have bad feelings about JK Rowling, I’m glad for that but her books will NEVER be on the same par as Potter. Potter appeals to all ages and both sexes – most of the Twilight fans are female.

Avatar Image says:

Ok anon, what the hell? are you a girl or a boy because im a girl and its not sending as you say “the wrong message to girls” he’s a person (vampire) that she falls deeply in love with and she nearly kills herself because she loves him that much, wouldnt you be upset if the love of your life left u (and edward is bellas life) if you anon didnt like the first book then why did you continue to read it? stupid much?

Avatar Image says:

i liked the books but i hate hate hate Bella, you can still like the books but dispise the main character. she’s a horrible role model and i don’t think much of Edward either (i do consider him abusive when he turned ‘stalker no you can’t see him’ on her).

being upset is one thing, being borderline suicidel is another, and such behaviour should not be promoted as “romantic”. fortunitly i believe most people can think for themselve and don’t choose to act a certain way just because a character in a book does, therefore the book can send whatever message it wants. its up to the reader to deside whether or not the protaganist is acting like an idiot.

that said, i’d be happy to take Jacob off her hands. her and edward deserve each other.

Avatar Image says:

Oh dear. I shouldn’t have ranted – I apologise, I’m having a bad day and should have put more thought into what I said.

That said – yes, I do think that there is a message in these books that I am uncomfortable. (And for the record I’m a grown woman.) I was uncomfortable with how Bella simply gave up – and entered such a strong depression and I wished the issue of depression (one I have personal experience with which is why I was uncomfortable with how it was dealt with in this work) had been handled in a different manner.

I was also uncomfortable with the idea that nearly killing yourself over the one you love leaving you is something she considered. I’m not saying people don’t consider this everyday – it’s a serious issue and a sensitive one and I was dismayed by how it was portrayed in these works.

As for being stupid – I was curious to see how it ended. Despite not liking the storyline I will give Meyer credit in that she has a knack for making people wonder what will happen next. Have you ever read something you didn’t particularly enjoy but kept reading just to see how it would end?

Avatar Image says:

I really enjoy Twilight, butttttt…......

Harry Potter >>>>> Twilight

HP foreva, man. :D It’s closer to my heart. By a lot, I think. ;)

Avatar Image says:

Im sorry i commented so harshly towards you Anon, so sorry. I have never continued reading a book that i didnt like, because if i dont like it , it’s painful to read, so painful, so i just put it down and walk away. I know that Bella was stupid (really stupid) for nearly accidently killing herself just so she could hear his voice again, but i really felt her pain during the book and her wanting to see him again (even if she got hurt) and im not saying that that’s a good thing but I’m not sure if he sets a bad example for people…well some people, because i’m not sure if some people experience romance like that, where the cant touch or else someone might get hurt.

Avatar Image says:

Meh, I don’t like my last comment:

I have a lot of respect for Stephanie Meyer- her series is successful for a reason, and it appeals to a large number of people, including myself, but she’s right- HP and Twilight can’t be compared. They should live happily in harmony. :)

Avatar Image says:

I dont care what anyone says, Twilight is a good ass book. Stephenie Meyer is an awesome writer,comparing her to JK Rowling is a little ridiculous though because both books have two different tones and they are just completley differenet stories in general. JK is so amazing with her works that Stephenie Meyer might never get her amount of recognition but i still think that they are both great books done by great people who do their best to capture their audiences imagination.

Avatar Image says:

Bella is one of the worst female characters I’ve ever come across.

Avatar Image says:

Long live Stephanie Meyer. Not only is she an incredible author and one of an incredible series, but her comments about Jo are completely humble and honest. Everything she mentioned in those quotes is legitimate and I’m glad she approached those questions in that way.

At first, I thought Twilight seemed very ridiculous. Vampires seemed ludicrous next to wizards, but I strongly recommend it to anyone who has not read it and enjoys romance. Definitely one of the best books I’ve read since Harry Potter, and that is saying something.

Avatar Image says:

I <3 Stephenie Meyer! Im going to her book signing next month! She is an Amazing athour! Can't wait for the next installment of Twilight, Breaking Dawn to come out August 2nd! Robert is the perfect Edward! The movie is going to be great!

Avatar Image says:

My daughter is crazy about Stephanie Meyer’s books. She is not allowed to discuss them around me, because I won’t read them until all of them are out. The good news is that we actually have the chance to see her because she has ties to a large city near us. I hope to get tickets for my daughter’s birthday. They are the new hot books at a youth half-way house I help at too. They have been big there for a couple of years now. For me, Harry Potter will always be my favorite. They kept me going when my son was spelunking in Afghanistan.

Avatar Image says:

No way Twilight is similar to Harry Potter and no way it’s gonna be like Harry Potter. Seriously, Twilight is overrated.

Avatar Image says:

I’ll have to admit. Though I love the Twilight series….the writing is not nearly as comparable to J.K Rowlings. I think the plot and the characters in Twilight is the only thing that makes me keep reading the series.

Avatar Image says:

Stephenie Meyer is an amazing author! I’m going to one of her book signings next month! Twilight is one of my favorite seires! (right next to hp of course)!

Avatar Image says:

cool! Ms Meyer sounds like a nice lady. Saying their’s no-one as phenonen as J.K Rowling. She sounds amazing. ( both J.k Rowling and Stephenie Meyer) i wish i’d be able to write a great novel as them. I myself really enjoyed the Harry Potter series. They’re my favourite in the whole entire UNIVERSE! How i wish i can go to HOGWARTS!!! ( sometimes i wonder if there is a wizarding world. )

not just J.K rowling is great! though it must seem so too. But i reckon that Twilight trilogy is really popular too. I’ve reserved a copy of it at the start of Term 1 of school and so-far, the last person borrowing it just doesn’t want to hand it over! It’s term 2 already! LOL. _ I heard it’s really good.

i’m also planning to buy the HP series. what do u think? ( i noe no-one’s going to reply)

Avatar Image says:

How dare they even compare them? SM is nothing compared to Jo, SM is a great author, but no one can be compared to Jo. i’m glad SM recognises that she won’t be the next jo rowling.

Avatar Image says:

twlight is a novel for shallow teenage girls who want to be popular with the boys. I read it and it was an huge disappointment, it’s just so cheesy and shallow, and there are way to long description fo how the boys that want bella are super-hot, amazingly-handsome, dazzling and shiny…. I am a teenage girl, but Istill thought it was worse than a Mary-sue fanfiction.

Avatar Image says:

twlight is a novel for shallow teenage girls who want to be popular with the boys. I read it and it was an huge disappointment, it’s just so cheesy and shallow, and there are way to long description of how the boys that want bella are super-hot, amazingly-handsome, dazzling and shiny…. I am a teenage girl, but Istill thought it was worse than a Mary-sue fanfiction.

Avatar Image says:

oh, and I think that Bella is a really stupid main character, as someone commented killing herself just to see her boyfriend and getting married at eighteen because she just can’t wait is just so shallow, egoistic and stupid!

Avatar Image says:

oh lord, Twilight = AMAZING.

admittedly never as good as Harry Potter and I’m glad Stephanie Meyer is aware. But for those wondering about whether or not to pick it up, I’d advise you to do so ASAP.

Avatar Image says:

It was nice to hear another author acknowledge how amazing Rowling is and not sound bitter or petty about it. But I’ve never heard of Meyer or the Twilight books. After reading the synopsis for all three, I’ll pass this one up. As someone else said, it’s not my cup of tea. A little vampirism goes a long way with me. And the teen romance angle is not interesting to me either. (I didn’t mind it in HBP because Rowling interjected a lot of humor with it, and it was mainly confined to one book.

But for those who like Twilight, enjoy.

Avatar Image says:

I don’t even know why the Twilight Fandom is so big. Meyer’s writing is so poor, she needs to repeat a high school creative writing class. There is absolutely no depth to her plot, characters, or themes. It’s just a book written for a movie. Artless. Shallow.

To compare Twilight to Harry Potter is just embarrassing. So I’ll give credit to Meyer for acknowledging that fact.

Avatar Image says:

I have never heard of this author or her series but after reading some of the posts I dont think its really my cup of tea. Is it even out in England? But I dont understand why some people can be so negative towards another author just because some JKR fans like her books? Particually as this author appears so gracious and modest. Whats the big deal? Even JKR herself encourages people to read other works. I find it ‘embarrassing’ that so many Hp fans can be so mean and childish.

Avatar Image says:

it’s not about being mean and childish, tintantonks, it’s just that the twilght books aren’t that good, and people are expressing their opinion they’re books aimed at teenage girls who like cheesy romances. I read the first two books and they were really awful, like cheap romance book, with cheesy lines and a lot of bad teenage drama.

Avatar Image says:

i think that some of the people here are being a bit too extreme with their comments, it’s not that either of the books are in general better than the other, but are more appealing to different sorts of people. There’s no shame for either books to be compared, it’s not like HP is any less of a series for being compared to another, and Twilight isn’t any better than it was before just because it’s being compared to HP. BUT it is unfair to compare such ‘different’ books, just because they have similarities doesn’t mean you can compare them fairly, apples and oranges.

Avatar Image says:

I’ve never heard of Twilight in the uk but all the americans keep talkin about it, I bought it in Waterstones yesterday and I’m gonna start readin it later, but to be honest from the blurb (and yes I am just judging it on this I will read it later) it just seems like a teenage angsty love in an O.C. style crap… I WILL read it don’t worry and get back to you. I REALLY don’t think though that this could be described as an amazing love story on par with like the Age of Innocence, or even something like His Dark Materials

Avatar Image says:

harry potter books and films r legend in their time….and no matter how many successful authors/books come in the future,HP will always be mentioned….

Avatar Image says:

To someone who said J.K Rowling wrote a classic. The HP books are hugely popular and a phenomena but they are not classics..yet. Classics are distinguish by popularity and time.

Avatar Image says:

lmao i love how this was posted by an Edward. how fitting.

Avatar Image says:

loonyluna – twilight isn’t just a book for shallow teenage girls who want to attract boys. that doesnt even make sense – why would reading twilight attract boys? most boys my age don’t even read! And it isn’t cheesy. It’s a beautiful romance story with amazing characters. It doesn’t compare to hp, but it is still a really great series.

Avatar Image says:

Twilight is cliched and poorly written (Meyer’s REALLY needs to learn how to properly used adjectives…Particularly when it comes to dialog).

While HP isn’t flawless literature by any means, the difference is that JKR’s imagination makes up for any weaknesses she has as a writer. She tells a fantastic story and the world she created sucks people in and provokes thought. Where as Twilight is glorified fan fiction about a bunch of whiny teenagers…It’s like Harry’s emo!angst from OotP magnified x 10000000 on every page. Sprinkle in some serious Mary Sue and there you go. You’ve got Twilight.

I’ve never met anyone who wasn’t a middle aged romance novel fan or a teenage girl who’s enjoyed it. I suppose it just annoys me because there are so many fantastic, well written stories for young adults out there that don’t get the time of day because they’re not piggy-backing off the “super natural creatures mixing with humans” theme that’s so popular now thanks in part to HP and the resurgence of LotR and Narnia.

Avatar Image says:

I’m on page 233 of Twilight, and I like it so far. Stephenie Meyer writes well, and Bella is really likeable. I like how she builds up Bella’s unhealthy obsession with Edward, and I also really enjoyed the alternate first chapter of Twilight from Edward’s point of view- his lust for her blood is rather disturbing. Twilight and HP are VERY different- Twilight is a romance novel, while HP has a lot of different themes, and, I’m almost afraid to say it, JK’s romances are not the most subtle or well-written. Ginny/Harry came completely out of the blue, and Ron and Hermione’s was a lot more built up. The people in my class (I’m 13) are obsessed with Twilight, and when I took it out of my bag at school, the girls in my class all went “I LOVE that book!” and started talking about how hot Edward was. Haha.

Avatar Image says:

ive read all three twilight books and they are great but HP is waayyy better

Avatar Image says:

Oh my god! some of you people are being incredibly rude about Stephenie. She’s not trying to steal Jo’s Thunder! Stop hating!

Avatar Image says:

Twilight is good but It can’t never be what harry potter is. And, unlike HP, it is a much simplier story, which is getting worse, she should stop writing the story before it gets even worse. She shouldn’t have written the last one… it was really disappointing; she had a great story, a great character, but she doesn’t know how to develope the story in a good way… that’s my opinion though, everyone can think what they want…..

Avatar Image says:

The first book was allrigh,the second not bad, and the third one was.. just crap… she spoils every good thing the serie had… Edward is such a great character, and in other hands it could have been a great novel, but she doesn’t know how to write and how to continue the story. I recommend you another book series, “memorias de idhun” (I don’t know if they are translated into english or just in spanish, but they are way better than the twilight serie, although (of course) not as good as harry potter

Avatar Image says:

looneyluna is sooo right!!

Avatar Image says:

Aw man i’m such a big twilight fan. Now that HP is over and all the hype is over I think Twilight is nearly better. Its definatley more mature anyway. For older readers i think. JK Rowling could never go into detail with the mature stuff because kids where still reading her books but Twilight was never meant for kids, its for young adults and older teens. Anyway I litterally can’t put Twilight down once i start reading, even more then HP. Totally weird. I never thought i’d find something i liked more the HP, but i have! YAY! My Harry Potter obsessesion is over and my Twilight obsession begins haha.

Avatar Image says:

It is apparent that those who have been commenting, as well as not been commenting, have different opinions of Meyer’s novel. Every one is welcome to express their own opinion, but I feel as though a lot of you who are rejecting the novel are looking at it in the wrong way. There is no way, whatsoever, that Twilight will ever replace Harry Potter and no way that it can be compared to Harry Potter; that much is fact. As mentioned before - sorry I can’t remember who said it - the only thing the two series have in common are fans. I’m sorry, but a lot of us ARE teenage girls, and there is nothing wrong with liking cheesy romance. After all, cheesy romance is often the best. Everyone is, of course, free to express their own thoughts regarding the novel, but I feel that some of you could be a little more respectful. After all, some of us on here actually enjoy Meyer’s novels and I remind you that they are still the fruit of her labor.

Avatar Image says:

no Evens, cheesy romance is often stupid, contrived, whiny and ridicoulus, and twilight is all of that. Sorry, but it really is a bad Mary-sue fanfiction about a girl all the hot guys want. I am surprised so many girls my age like a book that stupid. but afterl all America is the country were in high school what really matters is how popular you are. I don’t mean to sound racist but you can’t deny that’s the way things go in that country.

Avatar Image says:

For the people that are sooo in love with the HP series that they have to diss the Twilight series obviously dont have any reading experience outside of Harry Potter. im not saying that i hate HP, I actually love the books and have every one. But a true book fan would not deliberatly talk crappy about a great book because it rivals another. for me the twilight series is stacked up right next to the hp series on my book shelf…along with so many other epic books… Besides Harry Potter can’t compare to Twilight the way it compares to LOTR anyways-they’re too different BTW there are at least 3 more books coming out in the Twilight series I only know 2: Breaking Dawn and Midnight Sun in additon to Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse

Avatar Image says:

Rose

Um, yeah, I think the ones who are dissing Twilight ARE the ones with some reading experience. Hate to be the one to tell you. But hey, if you think the books are great, then that’s great.

Avatar Image says:

i agree with Rose and have something to say to loonyluna : have you read the books? okay… its a cheesy romance… but so are many of the epic books of all time. Ever heard of Shakespeares? most of the plays he’s written are either Murder mysteries, “cheesy Romances” or both. how about Jane Austen or Charlotte Bronte? Walt Disney anyone?( and no thats not da guy who made Disney World this was way before his time)again Cheesy romances… Beside, that not the only thing twilight is about…its about a girl trying to identfy with herself..trying to find herself esteem its about religion and how a person struggles against himself and the core of his being because he thinks he has no soul… its about friendship and loyalty and about in the end who are you and how far you are willin to go to save the people you love , even if it cost you your life, even if those people hate eachother and even if in the end they hate you.. it really is very beautiful… as is HP dont get me wrong, it’s just a different kind of beautiful

Avatar Image says:

dats awesome mimblewimble, it really is… but to each its’s own right ? thanks for backing me up jennelle really. I agree about Rowling and Meyer both having amazin writting talents comparable to Bronte and Austen (just barely b-cuz these are 2 very different eras) but lets try to keep it respectful …like i and mimblewimble said …if they dont like the book great.. if they do dats great to

but i have to ask mimblewimble and looneyluna(??)why they dont like it

Avatar Image says:

eat this all you twilight haters!! i love twilight, it’s really really good! dont get me wrong, HP is still #1 because you cant REALLY compare the 2, they’re so different, but twilight has the romance, which probably means it’s only appealing to teenage girls, but still, i love them. edward is my future vampire lover!

Avatar Image says:

to Ugg somewhere on page 4 ::the dialog is poorly written because its DIALOG it’s how da people in da book TALK same thing in Harry Potter:: its DIALOG!!!!!! you freaking Idiot .. and to Rose on page 5 who cares about repectifulness when two perfectly good books and authors are being pitted against each other by idotic pothheads (or wat ever potter fans call thwmselves)and twi-hards

Avatar Image says:

GO CARLY!!!! BTW

TEAM JACOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Avatar Image says:

WOW. Are you people serious? Don’t sit up there on your high horse putting books you don’t like down. Seriously, when you say Twilight is just a plot-less love triangle or a classic story about a girl stringing along some chums-I’ve got news for you! What do you think Harry Potter is? It’s the basic plot line where good starts to loose a bit before it comes back and kicks evils ass-with a few love attractions and mystical beings thrown in for our entertainment. I mean, get real people! All stories are like this. I think the Twilight saga is just as good if not better than the Potter series. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE the Harry Potter series(except for books 5 and 6-yuck)but there’s other books out there, so don’t be so quick to judge if people compare other books to harry potter(his dark materials SUCKS by the way)-just let it go.

Avatar Image says:

Twilight rocks!!!

Avatar Image says:

wow Carly.. Im really trying to keep it respectful…really..but its kind of hard when someone like you is being so largely hypocritical: most of the people that tis whole discussion is centered around are disrespectful and confrontational like you

Avatar Image says:

I cant believe some arre you are putting down twilight. its awsome. And i fing it immature that you guys are posting your negative. I KNOW that everyone is entitled to their own oppinion but why the arguing>? Cant we just say that some people like twilight and some dont.

Anyway i just read the first two twilight books yesterday and it ROCKED. so thats my opinion

Avatar Image says:

hey… ALicia is right….im just saying da same thing you cant judge and im not one way or the other here… Im in love with both Series…and anyways…Robert Pattinson doesnt seem to care so why should we????(lol) Btw get on book 3 alicia….but dont obsses like me i went to sllep at 3 in da morning yesterday reading Eclipse which i already like 4 times…..I did da same with HP…wut can i say, im a sucker for great books

Avatar Image says:

I love both hp and twilght but I don’t think we can compare the two. They’re just so different

Avatar Image says:

I love both series but honestly neither Jo nor Stephanie are amazing writers. I respect both of them for their great stories but I don’t think Jo is a better writer than Stephanie, Jo just has a better story. Also Twilight doesnt only appeal to girls, I know many guys who read the stories.

Avatar Image says:

u kno wut Rose.. as much as i didnt like your little comment about me being a hypocrite.because ur as big a hypocrite as i am …i gotta agree wit u they both are really good books.. i wuz just trying to get da haterz off of both books – GOSH

Avatar Image says:

thanks carly --I guess, but how am i hypocrite…wutever lets drop it and Tegan, u have a very interesting view on Jo and Stephanie’s writing…wut would you consideran amazing writter??? Just curious….

Avatar Image says:

Oh I would also like to mention that just because Twilight is a romance doesn’t mean it is cheesy and stupid. What about Jane Austen?? Everyone says her books are so amazing when they are cheesy romance novels. I hate it when people say that they are not “great literature” or cast aside as “chick lit” so stop saying that Twilight is plot less because it deals with romance. We are reading “There eyes were watching god” in class and it is considered great literature even though a lot of the book focuses on love. People need to stop being superior because they think they read great literature. If you think Twilight is poorly written then say the same thing about HP because its plot isn’t very complex it is the same good vs evil plot and isn’t magnificently written.

Avatar Image says:

this really is hillarious the way the bashing is going on here. i’m part of a Fantasy fandom and let me tell you, the lit elitests there rip JKR a new one for her writing style, prose, ect. really people, get off your high horse, you can appreciate something on different levels without resorting to “it’s for shallow girls who want the boys” – actually it’s for readers who enjoy being able to escape from reality for a few hours.

but with that said, as an advid Vampire fan, i’m much more looking forward to the the Sherrilyn Kenyon -Dark Hunter, or Laural K Hamilton – Anita Blake novel. again, not on HP’s level, but for a fun, entertaining read, where i’m immersed in a world of -gorgous vampire boys and lots of action (both kinds), i can be self indulgent sometimes.

Avatar Image says:

I mean Jo is a talented writer don’t get me wrong, but I do think that her writing style lacks the “amazing” factor. Like take the His Dark Materials series, Phillip Pullman’s descriptions of the different worlds really make the story’s complex theme come alive. I love Jo but when I loose count of how many times she uses Harry said or Ron said instead of other words it gets to me. Also, she uses the same descriptive words over again. I really like Jo and Stephanie and are inspired by their writing, I personally don’t think its as magnificent as people claim. However that doesn’t make their series’ bad ones. In fact I enjoy reading their books very much and cant wait for breaking dawn. I guess thats what makes them fun…at least for Twilight I don’t have to think that much!

Avatar Image says:

i love her series. its amazing but not as amazing as JK of course

Avatar Image says:

I think that both The authors are great (even though i like jo more). But,I still dont think they can replace harry potter because they are so different. I so many ways that some harry potter fans might not like the twilight books Because they are mainly about romance and stuff like that. And i still am proud to say i love both the sagas and respect both the authors

Avatar Image says:

i love her series. its amazing but not as amazing as JK of course

Avatar Image says:

Ah.. dats interesting Teagan…and i agree with you..about jane Austen, someone else was commenting on her charlotte Bronte and the such… Btw… Do you go to Jefferson??? Because we’re reading Their Eyes Were Watching God too

Avatar Image says:

about JaNe Austen and Charlotte Bronte that was me-it wuz wat i was saying all along

Avatar Image says:

I haven’t read the Meyer’s books yet, but a friend of mine did. and she’s thrilled really. Particullary because Robert Pattinson is in the cast of the upcoming movie. Personally, I don’t like Vampires and all that things, but I think that one of this day i could sit down and read them, hehe..

Avatar Image says:

havn’t read any of twilight but from some of the comments ive just read i’m not sure i would care for it . i really miss HP. I have another series i’ve been reading you might enjoy not HP but it was pretty good the writing was good and the characters were interesting move fast with alot going on its called secerts of the immortal Nicholas Falmel (name look familar) by michael scott 2nd book due out in june. just a thought if your looking for something to read that isn’t sappy

Avatar Image says:

wat pple dont realize is that if you like HP you’ll probably like Twilight though they are very different!!!! and ill look into Nicholas Flammel..if its any good cuz HP sure was

Avatar Image says:

people are comparing Mayer to Austen and Bronte? ok now i understand why people are pissed.

Avatar Image says:

Could people please stop saying “Oh, those Twilight books suck and are so poorly written: they only appeal to teenage girls?”

It sort of sounds like a putdown to teenage girls (like myself). I’m sure you guys don’t mean that AT ALL but reading that so many times felt pretty insulting, kind of like people (men) who say “oh I can’t see that sappy romance because it’s a chick flick and I’m above that.” I don’t know, maybe that’s just the Libba Bray feminist coming out of me (great writer by the way- the Gemma Doyle series)

This is obviously just my opinion and I hope I don’t rub anyone the wrong way, because I love any HP fan :D

Avatar Image says:

Harry Potter is so much better than the twilight series. period. (not that i don’t like the twilight series, because i do, it’s just that harry potter is soooooo much better) I am glad though that SM knows that she will never be “another” j.k rowling.

Avatar Image says:

I started reading the first Twilight book last night and I have to say the writing is very immature. you can tell the author is young and somewhat inexprienced. I got confused alot, she doesn’t use alot of description so it’s kind of hard to imagine setting. But I think the story so far has potential to be good. but i’m not really hooked. then again. the first time i tried to read a HP book, i thought it was stupid and it took me 3 attempts over the course of like 8 months to actually read it. maybe that’s because i started with book 3 and i was a little confused but whatever.

Avatar Image says:

....

Who let all the trolls in? Go back to worshiping your badly written mary sue books at a twilight site. Nobody wants you here!

Avatar Image says:

As a reader and a fan of both series, I find it very humbling the way that Mrs. Meyer has in regards to Harry Potter. She knows where many of her fans are coming from, but she doesn’t try to appeal to the sense of wizardry to gain more and step into the same genre and world that Rowling created, and of course had an amazing amount of success. Yes, fans of fantasy will share and share alike in other popular, good fantasies, and you have to admit, Meyer’s got a lot of respect for Rowling not to try and use her [Meyer’s] current popularity and Rowling’s unbelievable success with wziards and the world that we all know and love to gain more fans or make her story more popular. Mrs. Meyer does it her way, does it well, for clearly many, many people like it, looks up to JRK and respects her novels and fans. An author whose constantly being positioned just below another who is rising in popularity but doesn’t presently have the same hope of mind-boggling sweeeping the globe, and still holds the other in such high regard? You really have to hand it to Meyer.

Avatar Image says:

I actually cant believe some of the comments on here! Some people sound truly pathetic. I have read Twilights and to be honest I wasnt impressed but Im not going to waste my time slagging the author off because whats the point? And for those people who like the series but bitch at everybody who doesnt, please, get a grip! You make yourself sound very immature and need to accept that not everybody has to agree with you. Oh and comparing the author to Austin or Bronte…coming from an Eng Lit degree student that is the funniest thing I’ve heard. The only thing they have is common is that they’re both books.

Avatar Image says:

I HATE Twilight, Alex Rider, Percy Jackson, Inheritance and Charlie Bone because their author’s main goal is to be better than Harry Potter and all of the other students at my school are reading Twilight, Alex Rider, Percy Jackson, Inheritance and Charlie Bone and I’m the only one reading Harry Potter. I was the only person in the SCHOOL who did Harry Potter for their paper back book report. Harry Potter has depth, mystery, adventure, intrigue, red herrings, personality, excitment, and page-turnin’, can’t-put-it-down amazement. Twilight is for teenage girls. As you can see, I am not a teenage girl, I am a teenage boy. I HATE how all of the girls drool over Edward, and obssess over him. It’s just to sappy and boring. All of the girls walk up to me and say, “You’re still reading Harry Potter? That’s OUT! Twilight’s in, it’s sooo much better!” Also, recently, I found out that Robert Pattinson, the actor that played Cedric Diggory, has betrayed us to the forces of evil. I HATE Alex Rider. For me, it has to be one of the worst books ever. It’s just about this stupid kid who goes off shooting everything in sight. The plot stays the same, and the characters are made of cardboard. No, more like extra-stiff cellophane. It feels like there’s an explosion on every page. It’s shocking that this is the new thing at my school, and almost everyone likes it. They always tease me saying that Alex Rider is better. Sometimes I want to cry. What’s happening to people these days? I know people like Alex, and I sometimes want to kick them. Percy Jackson has no originallity. Everything comes from Greek Mythology and Harry Potter. At my school, people jeer at me “OMG, Percy Jackson is sooo much better than stupid Harry Potter!” Give me a break! Inheritance is Harry Potter and Star Wars mixed in a blender and everyone having Welsh names. I have always HATED fantasy books that take place in imaginary lands and everyone has pseudo-Celtic names. Eragon fits the description. Also, it takes EVERYTHING from Star Wars and Harry Potter. It’s another book that EVERYONE else likes and says it’s better than Harry Potter to their friends loud enough so I could hear them. Charlie Bone is just a big Harry Potter rip-off. In conclusion, I believe that Harry Potter needs more respect and that after Deathly Hallows, reading has gone downhill. I am sorry I had just written an essay.

Avatar Image says:

hm, upon reading these comments i’ve decided not to buy the books. since i’m really after ‘adventure’ fiction over a romance-focused one. but since you could not go wrong having a fun time laughing and loving some cheesy moments, i conclude that the story is somehow worth a MOVIE TICKET. :3

(i’ll see if the movie can somehow interest me enough to buy the books)

anyway, i like how people look at Jo’s phenomenon as something that’ll never happen. although not flawless in all aspects, it shall be ‘remembered and has made a difference in children’s storybooks (<—somewhere along the lines of stephen king i think, please don’t sue me).

Avatar Image says:

both books are awesome, but in my opinion, hp is much better. I really think they need to be kept seperate and should never be compared. It causes too much arguing. Twilight is always being compared to hp and it really annoys the hell out of me. They are 2 seperate books that are entirely different, the fandoms need to be kept seperate too. :[

Avatar Image says:

I just finished reading the first book in the Twilight series. I bought all three books, excited to read them because I’ve heard so much about them…

It was an okay book, but that’s all I can really say about it. The two main characters, Bella and Edward, practically shouted out MARY SUE, in my opinion. I was really surprised when I found people saying that these books were better than the Harry Potter books… o.O!!

Avatar Image says:

A lot of you guys are being really immature, some of you are obviously not giving twilight a chance and are just slagging it because people are comparing it to HP. And clearly these people don’t read anything but HP and don’t want anything to be better then it. These people are narrow-minded and should try reading other books. Just wanted to state a fact, Twilight is actually BRILLIANT, I’m 21 and I’m getting a little bored with HP now, its a bit childish for me. But Twilight is so much more mature then HP. The kiss scenes are just like ‘whoa!, very intense”. Twilight is a great story and, I agree the writing is not perfect but its still dam good. Edward and his family rock as vampires trying to be good and Bella is brilliant as the teen girl obsessed with the beautiful edward. I’m happy there is another book series out there thats being compared to Harry Potter, considering Harry Potter is over lol. Its nice to have a replacement, i can’t keep re-reading HP forever lol. It gets boring after a while haha

Avatar Image says:

Hiya Kerrie, I agree with you that people who refuse to read anything other then HP are very narrow-minded and truly missing out on so many other great works out there. But, whoa, are you gonna have people moaning at you for saying HP is ‘over’ lol. Although you know I guess it has to end sometime. If you like the whole vamp/ warewolf thing you should try reading Laurel K Hamilton, the early ones at least. Although they’re definately not for kids lol

Avatar Image says:

I have read Twilight … all three books!!! Honestly, I like them. I think that they are really Good => a Beautiful love-story! But that’s ALL! They just can’t give me any inspiration or special feeling. I felf a little shock when I found how popular the book is being NOW.

In conclusion, that’s just so REDICULOUS when people try to compare Harry Potter and twilight => they re very DIFFERENT kinds!!!

Avatar Image says:

::looks around in exasperation::

You see? This is what happens when WB doesn’t give us any HBP information. Trolls, absolutists, and ppl hu spel liek dis come in and make a mess.

222 days to HBP! C’mon, WB, throw us a frickin’ bone!

Avatar Image says:

thanks tinktanktons, i will definatley read Laurel K Hamilton. I didn’t mean that in a bad way by the way, I still love HP and it will always be the first book series that i ever truely loved. But now that i’m older its time to move on. Even in Deathly Hallows, JK Rowling still never went into that much detail with kisses or mature stuff because she knew that children were still reading it. Twilight is sooo not for children lol. At the moment, as a 21 year old women Twilight is definatley more interesting then Harry Potter for me. Anyway Tinktanktonks i replied to your comment on the ‘Two more actors cast for HBP’ news post a few days ago. You haven’t replied and i was wondering if you would please i want to know what you think about my last two comments to you on that page. Thanks, have a nice day.

Avatar Image says:

Ok sorry to all of those people out there who won’t read Twilight because of their love and “loyalty” to Harry Potter because you are missing one of the best books ever! I have read both and I am happyto say that Twilight has some elements that Harry Potter doesn’t have! It is one of the best books ever probably (dare I say it) better than Harry Potter! Don’t get me wrong I am a loyal HP supporter but Twilight is better in my opinion. As for Stephenie becoming the next JK probably won’t happen but she is getting up there! I have to commend her for accepting that fact so don’t be mean about it! So y’all people who won’t read Twilght GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND JUST READ THE BOOKS!

Avatar Image says:

How stupid is try to compare two differents books like Harry Potter and Twilight. They are so different and great in their own ways. Please people be mature. Don’t start the fight “x is better because…”.

On the other side, I have to tell that Meyer is down to earth and sweet. She feel respect for others authors. I really like Twilight, is different from Harry Potter, you can compare apples and peaches. There’s no a competition so you don’t have to be rude telling how Twilight sucks or whatever.

I was a great fan of the Harry Potter series and now I’m a big fan of the Twilight series. I respect both sagas. And there is no need to bash any of the books, you know….

Avatar Image says:

I just heard on the news that today is some kind of”drop everything and read a book”DayLOL!In honor of that maybe everbody who can should READ that Twilight book they have been ambivilent about:) On another note,I think that all you Twilight partisans out there who are angry at some of the slamming your book has gotten here in this thread might want to remember that you ARE at a HARRY Potter fansite.Right???? Happy Reading Everyone! ps To all those who have said that Harry Potter is”over”Um-you are making that comment on a wildly successful harry Potter fansite!Irony Anyone??

Avatar Image says:

Twightobsessed: Could not have said it better myself! Well done! Fufichi: I’m not slagging Twilight, i love HP, i just don’t like the idea of people not reading Twilight because they are loyal to HP. Its silly. Twilight is great, it has elements and mature themes that HP does not have. HP is great too, but a little less exciting and more for children in my opinion.

Avatar Image says:

Sorry i mean to say “I’m not slagging HP’ not ‘I’m not slagging Twilight’ I got mixed up there.

Avatar Image says:

Hi Kerrie I have given a far too long comment on the other news post you asked about. Dont know if you’ve checked it yet so just letting you know!

Avatar Image says:

“Ok sorry to all of those people out there who won’t read Twilight because of their love and “loyalty” to Harry Potter because you are missing one of the best books ever! I have read both and I am happyto say that Twilight has some elements that Harry Potter doesn’t have! It is one of the best books ever probably (dare I say it) better than Harry Potter! Don’t get me wrong I am a loyal HP supporter but Twilight is better in my opinion. As for Stephenie becoming the next JK probably won’t happen but she is getting up there! I have to commend her for accepting that fact so don’t be mean about it! So y’all people who won’t read Twilght GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND JUST READ THE BOOKS!”—Posted by Twilightobsessed on April 12, 2008 @ 02:35 PM

“Twightobsessed: Could not have said it better myself! Well done!”—Posted by Kerrie on April 12, 2008 @ 03:29 PM

See, that’s part of the problem. ALLCAPS, multiple exclamation marks, wonky punctuation and grammar, and a complete lack of a coherent argument make it hard to accept your opinion on what is or is not worthy reading. In fact, it makes a pretty solid argument against reading Twilight.

Avatar Image says:

But then, I’m not thirteen: Twilightobsessed did not have wonky grammer and a lack of coherent argument. She made an excellent point that people should read the book before they judge it. People are boycotting Twilight for no good reason, just because they are loyal to HP and don’t want any other book to be in competition with it. Don’t you see how silly that it? It is possible to like HP AND Twilight, just like me and twilightobsessed do. And i have read twilight and i can honestly say that twilightobsessed is 100% right when she says that twilight has elements that HP does not have. People should give it a chance, most HP fans would like it if they actually sat down and read it i think. They’re both fantasy books after all.

Avatar Image says:

I love SM she is so sweet. Yes, i don’t think she can be compare with JK Rowling but mustly because the series are completly different and of course HP have a lot more male fans lol. HP can appeal a larger group of people(families…kiddos), and Twilight can but the romantic parts can make some boys(and girls too lol) want to vomit lol. In my case i love both series. HP have a special place in my heart, is a wonderfull world and even my son is now a HP fan like his mom. BUT i loveee a lot the Twilight series too. They are both special and different in my opinion. This reminds me when people went to the MB talking about HP and N and others fantasies books, talking about what book or series is the best and trashing the fans and authors of the series they don’t like, you know all the bla bla bla. What annoys me a little with this thing is the people bashing others because they feel what they like is best. lol But at the end…they only make me laugh. Don’t hate, enjoy what you like, let the others know what you think without the bashing. My two chavos on this.

Avatar Image says:

quote`````On another note,I think that all you Twilight partisans out there who are angry at some of the slamming your book has gotten here in this thread might want to remember that you ARE at a HARRY Potter fansite.Right????```quote

That means some HP fans can’t have a civilice conversation? Thats silly i am a big Harry Potter fan and i don’t talk c to people who come talking about others books. The bashing is childish and show that some people don’t have the capacity to talk without been rude.

Avatar Image says:

“I am happyto say that Twilight has some elements that Harry Potter doesn’t have!”

Yes, but not everybody enjoys these “elements.” For people with a low sap tolerance, JKR’s dry, humorous turn-of-phrase is a delightful breath of fresh air by comparison.

Avatar Image says:

i wish i had more popcorn, this is great. few things though

a) just because a character in a book makes it passed first base, doesn’t make the book more mature.

i believe HP is by far a more mature book, because it requires more maturity to understand and recognise the various depths and themes through out (sacrificial love, forms of redemption, accepting death, appearances being deceiving, ignorance/intolerance, questioning the media/government, ect.).

b) just because you enjoy Twilight better then HP or just as much, doesn’t mean jack all in terms of literary quality. Twilight is not in the same legue as HP in this case, but that doesn’t matter. your personal enjoyment is what does, but understand that lit geeks are not going to agree and they don’t simply judge by whether or not they liked it.

c) read, read, and read. there is so so much out there in the fantasy and dark romance realm. i love HP, i think it’s an amazing series and acomplishment, however i’ve read authors that make HP look like they were writen by a 10 year old. people shouting “These are the best fantasy books ever!!” twilight or HP, makes me wonder just how narrow their reading exposer has been.

Avatar Image says:

I have read both Harry Potter and the Twilight books and I really like them both. I don’t think you can really compare the two of them beacuse really the only thing they have in common is that they are both really excellent fantasy books for a broad range of ages. Each plot line has nothing to compare with the other, in my opinion. I really like both of the series and now that Harry Potter has no more books coming out, I now have something else to look forward to. And I would apprciate it if people who hate Twilight (even though the haven’t read it) would please keep their negative comments about the people who read Twilight to themselves. I don’t think its right to say that someone’s opinion of a book is wrong. It’s their opinion. It’s fine if you don’t like the books but please stop saying that others are stupid because they read Twilight.

Avatar Image says:

Reading some more of the comments is making me laugh a little bit. Honestly, as a Harry Potter fan are we not allowed to be a fan of other books? This is all really just like 2 year-olds fighting over a toy. They are both excllent books. Just like Pride and Prejudice is an excellent book. Can’t you just let it go at that? And speaking as a Twilight fan well… other Twilight fans, I don’t think it a good idea to be like “Harry Potter sucks” on a Harry Potter website. If you want to do that, go do it on your own website. But keep in mind everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I say that both books are amazing and to compare them is like comparing apples and oranges.

Avatar Image says:

I don’t know why so many people are bashing Stephanie Meyers here? I think she gave a very mature and very nice statement regarding the books and Jo. At least she accepts the fact that the books and the authors can’t be compared.

I read twilight after so many of my friends recommended it to me, and I think they were nice. I’m not a huge romance-novel fan, so they’ll never really grow on me, but they’re quite nice.

As for HP, the books can be ragarded as classics, they’ve created a phenomenon beyong recognition, and yes, it can never ever be replicated. Jo is a wonderful writer and has written the best books of this generation.

The two stories are completely different…so stop the complaining and just let people enjoy what they like

Avatar Image says:

Yeah, I just have to say Why are we comparing these two books? They are too different to be compared, really! It’s like comparing…the flute and the piano…they are both insturments and that’s about it! Same with Twilight and Harry Potter, they are both books and that is like the only similarity between them! They are way too different to be compared! Twilight is a dark, romantic, love story while Harry Potter is an adventure, good vs evil story! They both are awesome books! Same goes for the authors because you really can’t compare Rowling to anyone and I think it is really mature ofMeyer to admit that she knows that she will never be as good as Rowling so stop bashing her for that! Does it really matter anyway who you are “loyal” to as long as they are both good books?

Avatar Image says:

I’m an English teacher in the U.S. and I love that my students are reading both series with great gusto. My comparison is this: Meyers’ books are like brain candy and Rowlings’ book are like soul candy. Rowlings’ are just so much more dimensional and affecting.

Avatar Image says:

Dom says; Why can’t we all be friends? I mean we share Robert Pattinson don’t we? Why can’t people just except the fact that they are both awesome books and the authors/books can’t be compared because they are too different?

Bristi says: I agree. YOu really can’t compare them! Why are we arguing about this again? In any case we all think that we are right and no one can dissuade us! Arguing about it is stupid!

Avatar Image says:

i love both series and i totally agree with dom+bristi: you cant compare them; they are totally different.

go jo and go stephenie!!!!

Avatar Image says:

To those who think that people don’t like/criticize Twilight are only doing it out of loyalty towards HP or because they don’t read anything else, I have to say :

No. Sorry but no :\.

This is an awful generalisation. In fact, regarding to the latter argument, it would be quite the contrary. If you read more than HP, a little novel (and its sequels) like TW would quickly make you cringe or put it aside. You can still love it, though. But at least have the guts to know it for it is.

I’ve nothing against the author, if only for the fact that she’s the suethor who managed to get away with it, she could be nice and all. And she knows where she stands. Some of her fans apparently don’t.

I love HP but I know JKR is not a great writer literature-wise. The characters and the plot got me in but sometimes the style can put me off. She’s not an amazing writer, she’s an amazing storyteller. As for Twilight, style-wise, well… I couldn’t read it. I tried but it was just so badfic; the grammar, the style, the plot devices, the Sue/Stu characters ( And I read badfics, so I’m accustomed to less than stellar stories ;) But this story is only Self Insert published. Like it if you want but don’t pretend it’s good literature. It’s not, sorry.

And I do read outside, in different genre. And I do know the difference between not liking/recognising quality. And HP is not my favourite series. I’m not biased I’m just a regular and avid reader who is annoyed at seeing right criticism being not valid because of false assumptions.

Avatar Image says:

Dom says; To Cain: Wow some people like you can be so narrow minded! I myself, being an avid fanfic writer and reader, have also read badfics and I cannot believe that you are comparing Twilight to it! Contrary to what you said Twilight has style; granted this may be a different style than you are used to but still it has as much “style” as HP. Stu/Sue characters? You my friend have been spending too much time on whatever fiction site that you read! You can’t really classify something as a Sue/Stu that had already been published and is selling millions! I’m sorry that you feel that Twilight is not a good piece of literature because you are missing out on one of the best books in the world! As I said before they are both awesome books and cannot be compared! It just really ticks me off when people are not respectful to authors and their work no matter if they like it or not!

Bristi says: To Cain I agree with Dom that you do spend way too much time of fiction sites of any kind. Please, spare us all and talk as people do in the real world, and not on some immature, amateurish, fan site. First of all Twilight is a successful published piece of work, not some lame-butt story posted on the internet! You can say what you want about Twilight or Stephenie Meyer, but you can’t deny that Twilight is a phenomenon; it may not be on the scale of Harry Potter, but it holds its own.

“I tried but it was just so badfic; the grammar, the style, the plot devices, the Sue/Stu characters”

I would love for you to tell me how on earth the story had bad grammar! I study English and know grammar quite well, so I have no idea what you are talking about when you say bad grammar. The only error I saw in all 3 books was a spelling mistake in the first one. Your knowledge (or lack thereof) of English and literature isn’t being conveyed well. Anyone who criticizes any professional, published author is ridiculous. (Correct me if I’m wrong) But I don’t see you having a million dollar book on the market! I love both of these stories, and I really don’t see why we are arguing. Oh by the way, you can have an opinion about a book and still respect the book and the author. Please think about that!

Avatar Image says:

CAIN: What do you mean “no, sorry but no?”. Thats EXACTLY what people here were saying. People were dissing Twilight BEFORE they even read it so obviously they are being narrow minded. I never said they don’t read anything else, I said that they won’t read anything thats being compared to HP. Its true. From all the comments here from anti-twilight people, thats exactly what they’re doing. Nearly all of the people slagging twilight on this forum have not even read it! Thats just crazy! Its like dude just read the book before you go slagging it. Its possible to like Harry Potter AND Twlight and be loyal to BOTH you know? I know i love them both! I completley agree with ENGLISH, that person made some excellent points. Well done!

Avatar Image says:

CAIN: Also, you are pefercly entitled not to like Twilight, thats your choice, but why would you say something as stupid as: “A little novel (and its sequels) like TW would quickly make you cringe or put it aside. You can still love it, though. But at least have the guts to know it for what it is.” Thats a totally stupid thing to say. Have you even read twilight? Even if you don’t like it, thats a totally stupid thing to say. You didn’t even back up your argument and explain why you don’t like it. BTW, even if the story of twilight does not appeal to you and is too girly, its still well written and it has to be somewhat good or they would no tbe making a movie out of it. HA!

Avatar Image says:

I hate my computer, It just deleted my whole comment and here I go again… u_u (But in succinct version this time, sorry _)

Dom : Whoa. Since when selling millions of copies = automatically good ? Not in our time, not in our time. Selling is no more an automatical sign of quality. Not anymore. When almost everyone can published, you can’t take it a reliable sign. It’s like the cinema, you can’t the box office makes the good films. Because that would be really sad. So please, tell me you don’t believe that sales make good literature. You can’t sincerely believe that. No.

Bella & Edward are Mary Sue and Gary Stu getting together. No matter how you want to cut it, they are sueish characters. Love them all you want but just be realist. They’re too perfect (oh, Edward x_X), every little plot device makes them so much interesting, like they are the ideal persons or something. I won’t talk about the plot because, ugh, cliché. And you don’t need to spend too much time on fiction sites to notice that. You do not need to read badfic regularly to spot one. Granted reading badfic does wander to the kind of quality you want in a fic. Once again, even if some persons don’t like the term, you can sell millions if your character is (canon) Sue/Stu, he will still be a Sue/Stu. It’s not more complicated than that. Still not saying you can’t like the book. And I do agree with the fact that both series should not be compared.

One of the bests books in the world ? I feel sorry for so much more brilliant authors out there who, because they don’t sell millions, are not considered as such. Tolkien must be rolling in his grave, hearing that o_o

Pet Peeve : I’m not disrespectful to the author because I have the guts to criticise it. i’m not disrespectful to the author because I did not like it. Authors are not Gods. As a reader, I have every right to do it. It reminds me of this wank on Amazon about Romance books. People should really chill about ConCrit. I did not anything personal about the author, so don’t call me not respectful.

Bristi : Once again, I hate repeating myself, publishing + millions != good literature. FFS, everyone can publish now, I have a friend in college who published a fantasy novel. Does that mean it’s good ? Not inevitably. Or else, so much crap that celebrities have publishing about their own lives are good literature ! What am I missing ! /sarcasm Stop using that argument, it’s not working. Along the same line, phenomenon!=good. If I were to rely on success and sale to feed my culture in every medium, oh dear God ! I swear, my culture would not be really pretty.

Please don’t assume you know anything about my knowledge of English and Literature. I did not do the same to you. You don’t know what I read. And thruthfully, you proved the point I was making earlier, the very reasons why I post. To you, it seems that since I don’t appreciate/criticise TW, I must not have a great literature knowledge. Pretentious, much ? (Funny thing considering I was not only talking about English Literature ;¨))

“Anyone who criticizes any professional, published author is ridiculous. “

...

You’re kidding, right ? o_o

You do know that there are persons out there whose job is precisely this ? Authors are not GOD. Readers are not here to mindlessly praise authors. We have the right to criticise, hell we have the duty to do it ! And liking a bok which is not good is not a crime, not something you should be ashamed of. I’ve liked books that were not quite good, not so great. I did not lashed out at anyone who criticise. I knew it was not that good. I don’t understand why it is that hard to admit liking something not so good ? puzzled

Oh, no. The “You don’t have a book, you !” Please, please. You don’t have to be a writer to spot badly written prose, you don’t have to be director to criticise a film.

Respect of the author. Damn it. It’s like hearing Authors from the Pit that can’t stomach CoCrit and call it flame.

I’ll stop there. I must have said a few things more in the first draft, sorry. But I think I said what’s important ^^

Avatar Image says:

And I can’t spell correctly when I sick x_X

It’s ‘wonder’ and not ‘wander’

I did not say anything personal [..]

Avatar Image says:

Stephenie Meyer does sound like a very nice person.

I’ve read the first two chapters of Twilight, but I couldn’t get into it at the time. This was the Dutch translation however, and I intend to try again some other time, but then in the original English language edition.

What I did read of Twilight, did not remind me in anyway of Harry Potter. It came closer to the Wicca/Sweep series by Cate Tiernan, but Twilight did not draw me in, as Sweep did. For you Twilight fans out there (and other people looking for a good read as well): try this series. The first book is called ‘Book of Shadows’. In the UK the series is called Wicca and in the US it is called Sweep. It is about teenage witchcraft, but not anything like Harry Potter.

Avatar Image says:

I don’t know what’s going on, tbh, (and I don’t normally indulge in internet ‘disagreements,’ hehe) but I just read Cain’s last post and I must say that I agree with him/her. :-) Criticism makes the world go round. If no one criticized the HP books, I wouldn’t trust the HP books. haha

Avatar Image says:

“and it has to be somewhat good or they would no tbe making a movie out of it. HA!”

Riiiiight.

It would not be because she sold millions of copies and they will gain a lot of money by making a film and marketing it. You know, precisely like HP >_>...

Cinema studios are so not after the money they can made with a millions-selling book…

Avatar Image says:

Dom and Bristi say: We have said our words. Cain you have proven no points, and have proceeded to make yourself seem less educated than you probably are. To say millions is to say many people like your book. Both JK and Stephenie’s books are amazing. The two cannot be compared.

Bristi: What do you think many HP relationships are? The relationships in Harry Potter can also be viewed as Sue/Stu (it kills me to use such a horrid term) I doubt any story now a days doesn’t have a cliché/Sue/Stu, in someone’s eyes!

Here is my (Dom’s) advice to all! Read HP and Twilight, like both, and do not compare the two. Don’t bash the authors because (yes Cain) selling millions is a good thing and kind of suggests that they have a good book! I love both books and feel that they both make the grade!

Dom + Bristi: With our final words- We are done. We have proven any points we have made. We respect any and all opinions, but we will fight for ours!

(www.http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com)

Avatar Image says:

And once again, you’re rude to me. You can’t just disagree, you have to prove that you’re the voice that held all ultimate truth. Franckly, you just look like a rabid TW fan. So I made myself look less educated that I am. Why ? By saying that millions does not make good ?

That’s the truth, dear. Millions does not make goods. Thousands either. Or else a lot of crap would be good. And a lot of good would be ignored because it’s not selling millions. That’s too bad, considering that masterpieces in literature usually were not that famous in their own time ;) But I must be wrong, right ?

To say millions of copies sold only means millions of people bought the book. It does not say everyone or a majority liked it. Or maybe a majority liked but it does not mean they think it’s a great book. See the difference ?

I don’t think you understand well the concept of Sue & Stu, independant of them going at it together ;) Harry was a bit of a Stu in OotP, that’s all. For the rest, there’s no very sueish character in HP. And when I read the end of your paragraph, I realise you really don’t grasp the concept.

Once more criticise!=bashing the author, for Heaven’s sake : No one’s bashing the author ! Stop the whining !

My, the culture in very danger if everything we judge it on is sales. Imagine the Music ? The Cinema ? All these films that makes millions and were crap. Bwah, that must have been me ! Really sad :\

Avatar Image says:

Heyy okay so if Stephanie Meyer thinks shes even in the same category as Mrs. Rowling then she should seriously look at some counseling. She is a great writer and all, and i do enjoy her books, but Jk Rowling is WAYWAYWAYWAYWAY better then this woman could ever dream in her wildest dreams. I know liking Ms. Meyer isnt taking away from the Harry Potter series or anything, but she sucks SO MUCH compared to JK even on distant levels.

Avatar Image says:

I totally agree with Dom + Bristi (cute names!) I suggest to Cain to get off what evr crack filled cloud he lives on, and get a grip on reality! BOTH BOOKS ARE AMAZING MILLIONS BOUIGHT AND LUVED TWILIGHT AND ITS SEQUALS YOU ARE AN IDIOT BRISTI AND DOM ARE NOT RUDE, YOU ARE YOU ARE BASHING STEPHENIE MEYER YOU ARE AN IDIOT (DID i MENTION THAT??) YOU ARE SOOOOOO FULL OF YOURSELF YOUR OPINIONS ARE WRONG YOUVE PROVEN NO POINTS Wow what a liist. Oh by the way, since I think that Dom and Brsti have stopped doing this, I whole heartedly take up their argument. I may not be as proffessional as them, but I think I will doo. Charlie YOU HAVE PROVEN NO POINTS

Avatar Image says:

D+B, unfortunitly you do not understand the concept of Canon Sues. they can and do exsist with verying success, and just because they are successful does not change the fact that they are a Canon Sue. see, i love the Anita Blake series, but i can call it for what it is.

and popular does not equal good. i’ve read the Austen and Bronte, but i’d rather read, once again, Anita Blake. trust me, i have not illusions as to which are the better books. in fact i hated wutherin hights, about a week later i came to the conclusion that it was a masterpeice… still hate it though.

Karrie, most people critising Twilight, have read it from what i gathered from the posts. i’ve seen lots of critisiums about it being mary sueish – which it is, predictable – which it is, clieched – which it is, and shallow – which can be argued. i’ve read all three, i’ll be buying the fourth when it comes out. why? cause Mary sues have never really bothered me (Anita Blake what?), the predictable level hasn’t too bad yet, i actually kinda go for this type of cliche so it works for me, and though the shallowness does really get to me at some points, my ability to suspend reality and that i do have a thing for damsels in distress helps to over ride it.

so there you go, reasons why someone can really like and enjoy the books, but still think they’re not particularly good.

Avatar Image says:

Heyy okay so if Stephanie Meyer thinks shes even in the same category as Mrs. Rowling then she should seriously look at some counseling. She is a great writer and all, and i do enjoy her books, but Jk Rowling is WAYWAYWAYWAYWAY better then this woman could ever dream in her wildest dreams. Posted by LeeandKaratogetherforever

i take it you didn’t actually read the artical… or if you did… well then i’m just worried.

Charlie

lol good one. ...that was a joke right?

Cain, marry me?

Avatar Image says:

Siyrean. Yeah how can you say D+B dont understand Canon Sues? I think they were just responding to Cain who started the whole Sue thing. So really it is Cain who doesnt understand! Evr think about that?? I’m glad Mary Sues dont bother you, it shows you are a flexible person. Again it was Cain who said he had a problem with Sues.

Avatar Image says:

“Cain, marry me?

Posted by Siyrean on April 13, 2008 @ 09:15 PM “

With great pleasure ;)

Really, I don’t mind people liking it. I have a friend who loves it. I’m just lost at to why some can’t admit liking something that is not that good…puzzled

Avatar Image says:

OH MY GOSH! I am terribly sorry that I caplocked at you! Go cry to your mother. Yeah I have seen so many errors grammaticly and spelling wise in your comments, so dont get on me if I tend to spel thiings rong! Yelling gets the point across. You use a very crude form of arguing that is none the least bit professeional. YOu dont know anything about me, so just to let you know, twilight is not my favorite book. I do indeed like HP a boit better. I like other books better than HP!I am defending twilight/meyer because you so untrue things about them. They didnt tell you that you lacked education, they said you conveyed your education badly, there is a differnce. Can your education figure that one out?? I do know a lot about reveiwing and critisizing. YOu could say I am a bit of an expert at it. I really sont think you know what bashing means. Let me give you a lession sahll I? Bash: to hurl harsh verbal abuse at Talk to you soon!

Avatar Image says:

how does the fact that i don’t mind canon sues and Cain does, change the fact that they do excist and that Bella and Edward can be catagorised as such. what i got from D=B’s comments was that they don’t understand how they can exist outside of fanfiction.

“Stu/Sue characters? You my friend have been spending too much time on whatever fiction site that you read! You can’t really classify something as a Sue/Stu that had already been published and is selling millions! I’m sorry that you feel that Twilight is not a good piece of literature because you are missing out on one of the best books in the world! “

see, they dont’ get the concept of Canon Sue, which does exist and is widely thought of as a negative form of characterisation. i’m not even going to bother whith thhat second sentence, i just included it because i’m petty.

Avatar Image says:

I think they do get the concept. If you were smart enought think you would get that they were saying can cant crtisizwe something as a sue because it is published and selling millions! I highly dount you even know what a sue is! A SUE ONLY EXISTS ON A FANFICTION SITE OF SOME KIND!!! It isnt real lief stuff. It is the lingo of a FAN SITE. Therefore there is no Stu or Sue in any published book. They later say something about how anything can be sue/stu ish, even haryy potter. They put that on your lelvel to \show you how ridiculous a sue/stu is in the real world.

Avatar Image says:

This is so stupid. I applaiude Dom+Bristi for having the class to be the bigger person(people) and stop this. I think that Cain and Charlie should stop. We all have different opinions. I have somewhat enjouyed watching this argument, but I really think that Cain, you shoould stop this. HP and Twilight are amazing books! Rock on Dom+Bristi

Avatar Image says:

I’m not offended at your use of CAPSLOCKS, you know. Quite the contrary, it makes me laugh. Can’t even get your points across without yelling and insulting, poor one. You know some people actually talk instead of just spouting random sentences ;)

Spellings errors, yes you might find them. English not my native tongue I type without looking at the keyboard, it’s almost 4Am in the morning and I’m sick. So yes, you might find errors. But since you called me idiot first, I have ery right to point your own errors ;)

Yelling does just make you look stupid ;) If you can’t get your point across without yelling, then there’s something wrong in your reasoning ;)

What is that crude use of arguing I’m supposed to be using ? Please enlighten me, master of the CAPSLOCKS >_>

Did I say TC was your favourite book ? No. So what’s the point ? Ah, you want to prove to me taht you’re not just overreacting over criticism. Too bad, you’ve already proven it ;) the CAPSLOCKS helped, I confess ;

i’m going to show you another way of putting ’ they said you conveyed your education badly,’

“Really, you were really an idiot in that post, but uh I think IRL you’re not that stupid.”

They were still rude whereas I never said anything personal about their knowledge or education.

Yeah, yo do a lot of reviewing and criticising. Excuse me but I can hardly believe you’re an expert when you accused of me of bashing the author. Thing I did not do.

But maybe you’re doing the kind of review/concrit when you’re constantly sparing the author’s ego and patting him/her on the back.

Well, well, well. Charlie does reinvente the dictionnary. Now criticism is harsh verbal abuse. I hurl harsh verbal abuse against the auth- ah no sorry ! It was the book, your mistake. You’re wrong ! It’s so sad. Try what really bashing is, with personal attacks and then come back accusing.

If you were really a bit of an expert, you would know that criticising is not bashing.

Ah, I should not get my hopes too high ;)

Avatar Image says:

Charlie,

nope. Canon Sues exists, no matter what you want to think. I’ll be nice, I’ll show an exemple of a big flashing stu in a novel. You won’t be able to deny that one, or that ‘d mean you’re beyond help ;) It’ll also proves that you can’t criticise products that sold millions of copies ;) Think of Amazon.

So my exemple is Eragon : A glaringly obvious Gary Stu. On top of a ripoff of LotR SW, and every fantasy bestsellers ;) You can’t deny that.

If you don’t want to believe that published authors will also created sickeningly perfect character. Well…

Avatar Image says:

Sorry, typo ;)

also proves that you can criticise products that sold millions of copies ;) Think of Amazon[...]
Avatar Image says:

I agree with Debra. Stop. OH Hey! IF my computer is wrong you posted that at 9:53, not 4 in the morning =) DOnt make excuses for erorrs. That just shows weakness Hey I like caps lock. There is nothing wrong with a good capslock. No idea why you hate it so much. YOu m,ust be one peacful person! =) YOu like to twist things dont you? I can tell. Dont make me repeat myself again. They werent insulting you. Either they were right and you are being conveyed as badly educated, or you are stuck on havin g a terribly low self esteem. By the way your bad at reading between the lines. D+B have way more class, and woiuldnt think that. YOu thipoght, yeah yoyuo would. So what I like dictionaries, punch me! That was the dictionary definition. Dont argue with that! I dont over react. I love arguing, hey thats what attorneys are for! I will defend. I dont even really know why I am arguing with you, all i tknow is you tick me off! OH! Im so sorry english is not your native tougne. I wonder how you read hP?>

Avatar Image says:

TO Cain: HELLO!! Harry Potter is as stuish as anyone else! HE CAN’T DIE!!!!! Rock on Charlie!!

Avatar Image says:

Another typo _

[...] published authors will also create[...]

Charlie, are you stupid or you’re doing it on purpose ?

You know, there’s a different time at different place of the world ? Not everyone has the same time, dumbass ! Where I am it is past 4AM, thank you. next time, try to think before you post.

I’m not making excuse, I’m simply explaining things as they are. I’m prone to do typos, yes. But I did not call you an idiot first.

Nah, nothing’s wrong with someone yelling at you instead of calmy debating. I must be too submissive ;)

Except not. I’m far from a peaceful person, quite the contrary. But I do tend to think that things are better understand when explained calmly.

I love twisting things, I confess. But not what people says ;) And I’m sorry but when you say ‘less educated than you really are’, it’s not really nice. Like they could know my education >_> they do love to make assumptions, do they ? ;) My self-esteem is quite good, thank you. I noticed that you did not put the option ‘They were wrong’... What a surprise, no objectivity ? And I’m bad at reading between the lines.

Yes, the dictionnary definition was right. However, you were wrong by assuming that hurling harsh verbal abuse was something close to criticism. You’re mistake.

CAPSLOCKS but you don’t overreact ;)

I prefer debating to arguing.

Well, the feeling’s mutual. You tick me off too.

Nope. I’m French. But I think in English, oddly enough. And HP was translated in French like in other languages __ I do read them in English ;)

And I thought that from my post, it was clear I had no problem with speaking/writing english ;)

But then I expect too much reading comprehension skillz from you.

Well, I guess I’m done here, going to sleep~ Since it’s really 4:21 AM in France >_>

Avatar Image says:

Typo again u_u

- Your mistake -

I agree with Harry not being dead being sueish. Although I do love the symbolic of the scene, this was quite the obvious and not so well executed Deus Ex Machina…

This debate was really pleasing and funny _

Now, sleep.

Avatar Image says:

I love both the series. Of course Twilight has a narrower niche…particularly young girls/women (and older ones like myself). So It is natural that it isn’t as popular. I think the drama was that Twilight knocked Harry Potter of the NY Times best seller list.(Well HP couldn’t be at the top forever!) Drama, drama, drama. How will the HP fandom survive? (heavy sarcasm)

Avatar Image says:

I don’t think either of these book series are going anywhere for a long long time, so might as well enjoy and respect them both. The point of the article was to show that both books are insanely popular, but it was by no means saying that Stephenie Meyer is better than Jo, and SM said she’s no JKR and never will be. Its not a competition!

Avatar Image says:

haha am I the only one that things its a bit ironic it was posted by Edward lol!

Avatar Image says:

I read the first Twilight book and it was actually really good. It’s nothing like HP, so there’s no way to compare them. But i’ve already ordered books 2 and 3 and I can’t wait to read them.

Avatar Image says:

Dear WB, Your fans are crazy and also sometimes moronic. They like netspeak. Please give them a picture so they can talk about Dan and Rupert’s hair instead of tearing each other apart. Thanks. Yours sincerely, the rest of the world.

Avatar Image says:

Dear WB, the rest of the Universe agrees wholeheartedly with Ms elizabeth18 and the rest of the world. This tiny part of the fandom is about to implode in a capslock-netspeak weapon of mass destruction, and whilst very entertaining to read, it also hurtses us brains!!!! An image of Remus Lupin holding some chocolate should sooth these fevered brows. Thanks. Yours sincerely, the rest of the universe.

Avatar Image says:

Dear WB, friends of both elizabeth18 and MaraudingDon agree with their wise words. These people who seem to so enjoy netspeak would probably enjoy a nice gossipy story about Emma, Dan and Rupert entering a hotel room even more. Maybe they could be joined by Bella and Edward and everyone would be happy! Maybe you could get on that WB? Yours Sincerely, Sane people across the world united.

Avatar Image says:

CAIN: You never replied to my comment, Pease explain youself. You were extremely arogant and narrow minded and rude in you comments and i want an explaination.

What do you mean “no, sorry but no?”. Thats EXACTLY what people here were saying. People were dissing Twilight BEFORE they even read it so obviously they are being narrow minded. I never said they don’t read anything else, I said that they won’t read anything thats being compared to HP. Its true. From all the comments here from anti-twilight people, thats exactly what they’re doing. Nearly all of the people slagging twilight on this forum have not even read it! Thats just crazy! Its like dude just read the book before you go slagging it. Its possible to like Harry Potter AND Twlight and be loyal to BOTH you know? I know i love them both! I completley agree with ENGLISH, that person made some excellent points. Well done!

CAIN: Also, you are pefercly entitled not to like Twilight, thats your choice, but why would you say something as stupid as: “A little novel (and its sequels) like TW would quickly make you cringe or put it aside. You can still love it, though. But at least have the guts to know it for what it is.” Thats a totally stupid thing to say. Have you even read twilight? Even if you don’t like it, thats a totally stupid thing to say. You didn’t even back up your argument and explain why you don’t like it. BTW, even if the story of twilight does not appeal to you and is too girly, its still well written and it has to be somewhat good or they would no tbe making a movie out of it. HA!

Avatar Image says:

Wow what an enteratining diversion. Some parts of it actually made me laugh out loud! Charlie not understanding the concept of time difference… ha ha seriously that cracked me up. For what its worth Cain I respect your determination to stand by and explain your opinions but I think it was a waste of time…Charlie is obviously about elevan years old (at least for her sake I hope she is) and she is unable to grasp even the simpliest arguement.

Avatar Image says:

Charlie is obviously about elevan years old (at least for her sake I hope she is) and she is unable to grasp even the simpliest arguement. Posted by fromage on April 14, 2008 @ 05:24 AM

LOLOLOLOL – oh please tell me this was intentional? I am coming into this thread armed with a dictionary,thesaurus and a whip. You’re all hilarious.

Avatar Image says:

I cant understand why some people feel the need to rip into each other over spellings, grammer ect. Nobody knows whether someone elses national language is English (as proven earlier in the thread) so I think it is just totally unnecessary. Some people are also in a hurry and they may not have time to pay particular attention to each and every word they type.

Avatar Image says:

okey dokey, people do get passionate don’t they :)

I have never read Twilight, never even heard of it tbh, so I’m not going to bash or otherwise. I just wanted to step in and say to those who were criticizing Jane Austen as mere ‘cheesy romance’, that you have missed the point of her novels. As a female writer she wrote about what she knew, the woman’s sphere. Women had one ambition in life, marriage, and their status depended on it. So of course her novels focus on ‘romance’ or ‘getting a husband’. But in her novels, Austen is actually critiquing ‘modern’ manners in a tongue in cheek way. Look at the background to the romance, all those nasty minor characters (especially the females), and you’ll see what I mean. That’s what makes her novels ‘great’ and that’s why they have withstood the test of time, because her wit and perception of people is timeless.

The thing that separates Bronte and Austen as writers from Meyer and Rowling are that they have withstood the test of time. That’s something we can’t judge yet with regard to Twilight or HP.

Completely irrelevant I know, but just wanted to say that :)

Avatar Image says:

Kerrie, I did answered to your post about the ‘making a movie point’. Mayve instead of accusing me right away ;)

You don’t like this phrase :

“A little novel (and its sequels) like TW would quickly make you cringe or put it aside. You can still love it, though. But at least have the guts to know it for what it is.”

Because it’s true. Because if you read more and in differents genre, you won’t spend your time reading it TW first ;) And because, yes, there’s tons of better books out there. There are non famous books that are much better but because you hold to the ‘millions’ arguments, you will never know. I did say why I disliked it. If you can even be arsed to read my post, don’t enter the debate, thank you ;)

One more time, I’m not telling people not to like it… How hard it is to admit liking something not good ? still puzzled

“For what its worth Cain I respect your determination to stand by and explain your opinions but I think it was a waste of time…” Posted by fromage on April 14, 2008 @ 05:24 AM

Thank you but I like debating therefore it’s not a complete waste of time ;P It’s quite entertaining even if indeed logic is sometimes quite absent from this debate ;)

Avatar Image says:

Typo =_=

you can't even be arsed[...]
Avatar Image says:

i honestly think Charlie and maybe Karrie are just trolls, i know it’s tempting but it’s probably best not to feed them.

more examples of widely acknowlegedcanon sues – Anita Blake, Raphsody, Honer Harrington… i don’t believe HP is a garystue, i think JKR did a great job of making his character growth believable as well as not surgar coating his faults, but i do think she did abuse Duex Ex in the last novel quite a bit and i wish she had of taken more time to with those parts to fix them.

Avatar Image says:

How I am a trole? I was only pointing out that people should not slag twilight before they have read it and its possible to like Twilight and HP, many people do. CAIN: I did look for your post about why you don’t like Twilight i could not find it btw so don’t be so rude to me. You are being really narrow minded by just bluntly saying ‘people should realise twilight for what it really is’. Thats a really rude thing to say. You may not like twlight, it may not appeal to you personally and that its perfecly fine but do not just randomly and rudely imply that its bad. Some people like it, some people don’t.. That does not make it bad. Obviously everyone has different tastes, one book may not appeal to one person while another person may love it. But that does not make it a bad book.

Avatar Image says:

CAIN: In case you haven’t noticed that only GOOD books that are popular and widely enjoyed by lots of people are chosen for movies, or they would not make any money from making a movie from it. Why would somone make a movie from a bad book that no-one has read? They story has to be appealing to a lot of people in order to make a movie out of a book. Thats a fact, sorry.

Avatar Image says:

“In case you haven’t noticed that only GOOD books that are popular and widely enjoyed by lots of people are chosen for movies, or they would not make any money from making a movie from it.”

this is why, because you willfully ignore that popular =/= good. or that making alot of money =/= literary worth.

Avatar Image says:

What do you mean by that? If something is very popular and widely enjoyed by many many people, surely that means its good right? All those people can’t be wrong right? I’m not saying its a perfect book, but its good enough that its so popular, been compared to Harry Potter and being made into a movie franchise. Its not fabulous writing i will admit but its good enough to be popular and widely enjoyed.

Avatar Image says:

And trust me, if a badly written book was chosen for a movie, no-one would go see the movie so ergo: only good books are chosen.

Avatar Image says:

Could you please apologise for calling me a trole. There is no need for name calling here. We’re only have a disscussion. As i said in my first on this page 10: I was only pointing out that people should read the book before calling it bad and that its possilbe to like both Twlight and HP. I would never boycot one because i like the other. I was angry because Cain rudely said it was a bad book for no reason.

Avatar Image says:

I applaud Cain on trying to remain somewhat civil. I agree, Twilight is not what I’d ever call literature, though I do enjoy it.

I can see why you’d call the characters stu/sue-ish. I actually disagree though, because I see a lot of the characters’ flaws, I just think they are VERY subtle (obviously Bella won’t tell us Edward’s flaws since she thinks he doesn’t have any :D but they are their- his overprotectiveness and tendency towards goind towards the extreme).

Yay for civil debate and admitting that you like something that’s not perfect ;)

Avatar Image says:

correction: they are THERE

slaps forehead

Avatar Image says:

Kerrie :

Once again, I don’t tell you not to like it but to know that it is not great literature. How many time will I have to repeat this ? Until you understand it. Every book/film/music has its bad and good reviews. That’s how the world works. (And it really relate too much to the Amazon Reviews Problem o_o) What does make a bad book is plot/characters/style…etc. And this what we have the right (and duty) to criticise.

” What do you mean by that? If something is very popular and widely enjoyed by many many people, surely that means its good right? All those people can’t be wrong right? “

You know this is a logical fallacy, right ? Something popular and widely enjoyed in our times when everyone can publish whatever s/he wants is not a sign of qood quality !

Let’s take an exemple that shall prove this point :

The Harlequin books. Popular, millions are sold, widely enjoyed by readers all over the world.

Does that means they’re good ? A clue : No. I don’t think anyone with even the tiniest bit of common sense would not say that Harlequin is good literature.

Try to step away from the ‘I like it so it’s gooood’ and the ‘It sold millions so it’s gooood’ argument, it’s null and void for every medium in the actual present.

Studios always choose good literature to make fadaptations and it’s not because of the amount of money they could make with it.

As if. (Think of Eragon.)

Pixie : Well, I think anyone has its own levels of tolerance towards characters and their possible ‘sueishness’. I can see a bit the very subtle defaults. It’s not enough for my liking but if it for yours, it’s a good thing :)

In the end, it’s ‘to each his own’. We can like the books we want, even if they’re not the ‘best thing ever’ ;)

Avatar Image says:

Wow o_o

” the very subtle flaws [...] ” not defaults =_= mixes with French

Avatar Image says:

CAIN: I never said that Twlight was great literature! In fact i said the opposite. I KNOW its not perfect writing or great literature but does that mean its a bad book? No of course not! Its still good enough that lots of people love it and continue to read the rest of the series. The story is one that lots of people enjoy and appreciate, wheather the writing is perfect or not. Its obviously not terrible literature or else why would so many people like it. I would consider Twilight a great story with above average writing skills. The more exciting scenes in the book are actually quite well written to be honest but then there are chapters that can be boring (e.g. the first couple of chapters of Twilight are not good at all but once you get into it, its really hard to put it down). For a love story, its very exciting and compelling. Not like some awfull love stories out there that are 100% boring and pointless.

Avatar Image says:

I just finished reading Twilight because both PotterCast and MuggleCast people had recommended the series…I did enjoy the book, however, I have to agree that it seemed like a cross between “Interview with a Vampire” and Harlequin romance novels. Having avidly read all of the above at some point in my life, IMO the HP books are by far the best. They certainly have more depth and detail, as well as better writing.

Having said that, it is entirely possible to enjoy Twilight for what it is—a story about a damsel in (frequent) distress who is always saved at the last moment by her adoring admirer, who also happens to be the world’s most handsome 17 year old.

Avatar Image says:

Did you see the latest interview regarding Twilight and Harry Potter? It is soooo absurd!!!! It calls our favorite wizard wimpy!! The actors were asked whether the vampires or the wizards would win and the actrees who plays Alice said that the vampires would kick ass!!! Now I am a Twilight fan, but after that interview I am not so sure. Go to www.twilightlexiconblog.com for the link to see how horrible it is!

Avatar Image says:

@georgesear:

i completely agree. i just finished reading the first Twilight book yesterday and it was pretty good. it started off a little slow and i got a little annoyed because the writing is a little confusing because she doesn’t use as much description as JKR does so it’s harder to imagine exactly what the scene looks like. but once you adjust to that it’s a really good story and i can’t wait to read books 2 and 3 and probably 4 when it comes out. She’s also writing a companion book to Twilight that will be from Edward’s point of view and i read a preview of it and it sounds like it will be even better than the first book because Edward is pretty interesing.

Avatar Image says:

You can wave your sticks of wood all you want but we can live forever! XD

Avatar Image says:

I think your all idiots and all asses!

Avatar Image says:

I decided to give the Twilight series a chance after reading a bit about it lately, and I am not impressed. Not only is the story slow, but I cannot for the life of me fathom why all of the male characters fall for the lead female character, when she’s not only annoying, not not likable at all. If I’m to buy the fact that she’s so irresistible, she had better be pretty extraordinary, but she’s not. She’s rude, she lacks charisma, and she’s just plain mean. Why should I root for this girl when there’s no reason to like her? And I don’t understand the comparisons to Harry Potter. That is just an insult to JKR, who is far better by leaps and bounds. IMO, there is no comparison. HP is a modern day classic, the Twilight series is mediocre at best.

Avatar Image says:

Hey guys! Could you do a favor for me? go to http://www.twilightlexiconblog.com/?p=771#comments Now these are the comments that TwiHards who are also HP fans gave to the same article that we are arguing about! Can you spot the difference? My favorite comment:

Leggers: Stephanie Meyer + JK ROWLING= explosion of awesomeness That is my dream right there.

THEY ACTUALLY AREN’T FIGHTING AND SAYING THAT JK ROWLING AND BOTH SERIS ARE KOOL! Wow what a difference than on here! But as on here they are also saying that they can’t be compared because they are too different! They are not bashing, they are not arguing, they did not turn it into a “Who is better Rowling or Meyer” page! PLEASE lets be a little more mature and stop fighting!

Avatar Image says:

Why is it always immature to debate ? There’s nothing unhealthy in a calm and well-argumentated debate.

For my part, I was not comparing the two authors. It was never my point since Stephenie Meyer never brought it up. The two series don’t come from the same genre, there not to be compared ;) I was arguing a whole different point.

Jenn, I had quite the same reaction to you to the book and to its main character. I hate the ‘everyone was in love with her’ plot device is just so common and undeserved in that case.

Avatar Image says:

typo again =_= slapself

” they’re not to be compared [...]*

Avatar Image says:

The only people who like “Twilight” are tweens who love bad fan fic and fantasizing about gary stu vampires and middle aged women who love bad fan fic and fantasizing about gary stu vampires.

Avatar Image says:

Laura: I bet you only say that because you are a tween who loves bad fan fics! WE all know Fanfics are annoying is all get out! and we all know how much tween can be annoying. Yeah so what if they Like twilight. It shows they are pretty cool in all their annoyingness. As for the middle aged women… yea so ur right about them.

Avatar Image says:

OK I love how pathetic Cain is for keeping this up. Debras right, D+B do have class for stopping. They didnt give up, they left because they wanted this to stop, and they probably couldnt stand arguing with a loser. I think that I should say the same thing about Charlie, but she hasnt posted in a while. Cain STOP! YOUVE said your word. Youve said your word countless times. YOuve repeated yourself many times, and if you think you can persuade those opponents the millionth time youve repeated yourself, you are crazy!NO one wins! No one Loses! Every one has their opinions, and their opinions about othere opinions! Dont you (Cain) have better things to do than argue with people you have never met, on a fan site?This has gone on too long, and Cain, you arent helping.

Avatar Image says:

This is really a neverending argument! Different people have different tastes in things-I personally didn’t like Twilight when I read it but why keep comparing that and HP? They’re totally different stories.

Avatar Image says:

I think it is hilarious to follow this debate over the recent days. I was surprised to see it on here as I have been an extremely loyal Potter fan, but having read and re-read I was looking for something else to read. My cousin lives in Washington and we spent some time last summer on a beach by Forks, where the Twilight story is set. I LOVED it there, so when she discovered these books she sent them to me, as they inspired memories of our vacation. I didn’t know what to expect beginning a new series, as I had not heard of the books before. I was very pleasantly surprised. While Meyer may not write anywhere near the style of our beloved Potter creator, she is very good. She has taken a whole different take on the “vampire” and it was, to say the least, a pleasant read. Maybe not the intricate story or important historical references that HP has, but there is something to be said for a straightforward read. I enjoyed it immensly, knowing that it was not even in the same category as HP. Some of the commenters on here need to have some respect. So Meyer is not JK…we know that, she isn’t Pullman or Paolini or Tolkein either…ALL VERY DIFFERENT STORIES!!! I however love them all for different reasons, and what is the harm there. Whether or not TW will stand the test of time to be defined as “classic literature” who knows…probably not…but who cares. If you enjoy the read, then that’s all that matters really. If you don’t enjoy the read, then move on!!! It’s all opinion. I honestly think that anyone who devotes time to create a series, and creates characters that come from heart and imagination, deserve some respect. You don’t have to like her story, but nonetheless it is a story that means something to the author at least, and she had the wherewithall to put it down in the hopes that someone else would feel the same way as she did about it. Isn’t that how JK started? Obviously it is NOT a story for everyone. Just like not every movie or song created appeals to everyone in the same way! Interesting that there’s been so much discussion on this subject that really has led to 11 pages of nowhere!

Avatar Image says:

Bella/Edward is the worst romance i’ve read since Harry/Ginny!

Avatar Image says:

wuincxw: I totaly agree. I notice Cain has not replied to my last comment. Hopefully now he/she will cop and realise that its rude to just randomly call a book bad when clearly lots of people like it. I’m not saying its fabulous writing but its still a great story. Accept it and move on Cain. I love Twilight and HP and there is nothing wrong with liking both.

Avatar Image says:

It’s pathetic to point out that debating is not immature ? People have the right to gove their opinion and defend them, you know. I’m not trying to keep the debate up, I was just pointing that debate !=immature. I had stopped before because I had said my arguments. This is why I did not answer to Kerrie (Btw, can you people be a bit consistent? I’m pathetic for keeping posting and yet you me want me to answer you post ? Logic missing here.) She’s not it’s saying it’s great literature, I can agree with that. She thinks it’s a great story, I disagree. But there’s nothing more I could say to change her mind.

I’m feeling like repeating myself again and again. Everyone is free to love whatever he wants.

(And again author loses respect because of criticism…sighs)

Avatar Image says:

Cain: I don’t care if you don’t like Twilight, i honestly don’t. Obvsiously the story is not going to appeal to every single person. Some guys hate love stories, even if there are vampires invovled and thats perfectly fine. I was just angry that you bluntly called it bad for no reason saying “we should recognise it for what it is”. I mean what kind of the thing is that to say? Its a rude narrow minded stupid thing to say. I’m just pointing out that even though its not “great literature” as you put it, the writing is still good enough to be a popular book and the story appeals to a lot of people or people would not keep reading the series and it would not be made into a movie series. You don’t have to like it, but please admit that its good enough to be made into a movie and be in competition with HP.

Avatar Image says:

I’m sorry but I can’t agree with your last part. It would be really nice if I could but I can’t. The only reason this kind of popular books (HP, Eragon, TW) are adapted into films is because they are popular. Studios don’t pay attention to ‘quality’ if there’s money to be gained. If studios were indeed paying attention we would have a lot less crappy films ;)

I still stand by my argument that popularity does not make a book good. And it certainly does not invalidate the possibility of being a bad books. (And both books are not to be compared, different genre)

“we should recognise it for what it is”

Yes. I read some books that are not good, with plots which are not so developed or a style which can be cringeworthy. And I recognise that. I don’t hide behind anything like ‘Whoa it sells millions.’ On my part, I was angry at people insinuating that “If you criticise TW it means you haven’t read anything apart from HP.”

But I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on these points.

Avatar Image says:

Kerrie, Cain, everyone. I know you’ve spent alot of time and effort here but nobody cares ok! I only stopped by because someone posted on another story that things were getting ridiculous over here. Indeed. Now I think everyone should give it up, shake hands and go and play outside. The news article was about some nice comments from Meyer. I suggest you go and read the books, talk with a loved one, do university work, heck go to the pub and down some alcohol if you want (after reading all this who-ha that’s definetly what I think I may do now) You have all thoroughly convinced me, not whether ‘Twilight’ is a good read or not, but that life can be sorrely wasted on the internet. And I thank you, gooday… now for a pint

Avatar Image says:

Well you are entitled to your opinion CAIN. I’m glad you’ve calmed down a bit and are not being to rude anymore. I still stand by my opinion that bad books would not be picked for movies. I don’t think the twilight books could be bad if they are so hugely popular. But hey, what do millions of fans know right? lol we can’t all be wrong dude. Yep this debate is a waste of time. I quite liked Stephaine’s interview. She seems like a nice person.

Avatar Image says:

This is a total waste of time. They cant be compared, so why are we doing it? YOu guys have made a nice little article into a huge debate. GO into politics and then you can debate about improtant thing. (Not that Harry Potter and Twilight arent important, but compared to death, wars, and desease)

Avatar Image says:

From my understanding the fans don’t compare the books, it’s the media and publishing industry that do because of the numbers and how quickly they’ve become popular with a particular age group. Now with a movie in the works that will be released two weeks after HBP, it’s the industry that’s trying to stir up something like they always do.

I actually really enjoyed Twilight, New Moon, and Eclipse. They’re told in the first person which was something different, very passionate and emotional, with action that comes out of nowhere taking me completely off guard in a good way, and at the heart of it a love story that can make even the most cynical person sigh because I don’t think a love exists like that but it’s nice to pretend it does.

Well that’s my two cents on the topic.

Avatar Image says: Can I just say thank you to Stephanie for addressing this???? Now, first of all, I am a relatively new Twilighter (but I have read all the books...). If you stick with them (and, I know, it's sometimes hard...) they're GOOD. There are some preciously adorable or utterly hilarious moments that can be found if you read it. I haven't read all the comments, but from what I've seen, people are complaining that Twilight is a "teen romance novel" with "very little plot." Again, true (at least for the first three books, BREAKING DAWN is my personal fave in the series ^_^. There's some plot tension there), but that's the nature of the archetype. If you're not a romance fan, don't read them. Now, all that being said, JKR's writing is 3876439634829039543 times better than Stephanie's... there is NO comparison, and HP is still at the top of my list! >_<Avatar Image says: Hi, I'm a huge fan of Harry Potter, and lets be honest, nothing will compare to it. However after a lot of pressure I got from my friends that I should read Twiligh, well did, and I have to admit is good, but not as good as Harry Potter.Avatar Image says: Ya, you can't compare literary genius to garbage, it just doesn't work. Plot complexity doesn't make for good writing, character complexity does. Purple prose doesn't mean a story is well written, ease in understanding does. Rowling makes a moral point in the same vein as Mark Twain, or Charles Dickens. Meyer's isn't a good author, Rowling is. End of story. Avatar Image says: i reserved my comments until i have actually read the book. what got me reading twilight was the tagling they used for the movie saying that it is "the hottest book since harry potter"...I, being a harry potter fan, got really curious and so i started looking for the books (they are actually sold out, good thing my friend had a copy). Honestly, Twilight is in the same league as the Sweet Valley High vampire series that i read back in grade school. i was even thinking that francine pascal wrote hers better than ms.meyer.... it was painful, reading through Bella's droolings about Edward Cullen...i can't count how many times i rolled my eyes while reading... lines like edward "smiling his crooked smile that i really love" almost made me throw up! the characters are hollow with paper-thin personalities...two-dimensional and really shallow...bella is motivated by her obsession with this really hot vampire, she is even ready to give up her humanity and her family all for the sake of what she calls "love"... don't even start comparing it with Harry Potter. twilight's cover is cool though. lol!Avatar Image says: twilight is the very best book that i have ever read. i'm not one of those people who just sit around reading books all the time. but when my friends recommened me to read it i did and that was the fastest that i ever read a book especially that long. but i fell in love with ther books so if you have read twilight than you should defalently read the next and all of them for that fact lol lolAvatar Image says: Hm.. was getting geared up to read some Twilight but I've been put off it. I've steered clear of romance for a long time and I don't plan to begin now.. Avatar Image says: Twilight is mindless fluff with no plot. It is loaded with purple prose and is merely a self-insert novel. Edward is an abusive stalker and none of Meyers characters have a personality outside of their love lives (except Jacob, who was ruined in Breaking Dawn). I have read all four and hated all four. Harry Potter is a complex and well thought out series that hardly has even one flat character. Each character has personalities and flaws- Rowling never attempted to make a "perfect" character (Meyer tried, but failed). Nearly every detail to Harry Potter was important and Harry Potter had a PLOT as well. Twilight fans usually only like Twilight either because they're helpless romantics or because Edward, Jacob, etc is "SOOOOOO HAWT!!!!!!!!" Harry Potter will remain a phenomenon and will capture the hearts of children and adults forever. It will never end. Twilight will be forgotten in a few years, and when it is long gone, people like me with good literary views will celebrate.Avatar Image says: OH MY GOD you can not even BEGIN to compare smeyer to Jo. WOW that's is like the biggest insult to Jo i have ever seen. Stephenie Meyer is a horrible author. HORRIBLE. It doesn't take much to come up with a great idea for a story so that doesn't make her a great writer. She s HORRIBLE at characterization, HORRIBLE at story progression... need I go on? Don't even get me STARTED on her last book. Rowling runs circles around Meyer.Avatar Image says: Well I happen to like them, I have a little bit of New Moon to read and then I am looking forward to reading Eclipse. People seem to either love or hate these books. Bella's been criticized for being weak but I see her as a realistic character, she's clumsy, shy, can be reckless, indecisive, I think it's funny how accident prone she is. And Edward is just a great character, he can be so snarling and bitter and then so caring. I was annoyed at Edward through when he kind of dumped Bella and then the Cullens just disappeared and I was like, what the hell?! To protect her? James was dead so she was in no danger from him...the only danger now was Victoria, so you'd think they would keep Bella close to protect her, now abandon her? but she didn't seem angry... and finally in New Moon when Alice and Bella go to Italy to save Edward...there is no angry reaction. The lack of Edward in New Moon is the main annoyance and when Bella started thinking about romantic possibilities with Jacob and no longer loved him like a brother, but he kept her warm, etc, he was her 'safe harbour'... grr. How very convenient. I think the fanbase is getting big and will be similar to Harry Potter in that respect...some people say how its an insult for Twilight to be compared to Harry Potter. I don't, there was something about Twilight that holds you and its very page turning, I couldn't put it down personally. Same with Harry Potter. As the writer said, she didn't think it was anywhere near the same brilliance as Harry Potter...and that no books will ever be as good, so if books like hers end up being very good reads, but not phenonmal like Harry Potter, then that's really good. It's like saying nothing compares to Harry Potter, but some can come close. The only thing about Harry Potter that was off, in my opinion, was the romance. Wheras Twilight is all about romance, and I understand Harry Potter couldn't be too focused on that, because it was about ending Voldemort but to me Harry/Ginny was very fake and strained. For the majority to the books she's quite, shy, non-existent..background character and then in Order of the Phoenix she is suddenly popular, athletic, good at Quidditch, pretty, etc, and suddenly talkative and outgoing. And poor Ron/Hermione shippers, getting to THAT point for them was a bit of an afterthought, where their first kiss is at the end of the series. I love Harry Potter though, and Twilight is very good too. People should read it. Edward Cullen is the sexiest vampire there ever was, who drives a stupid, silver, Volvo.Avatar Image says: I don't actually understand how can someone compare these two books. Ok, they're both REALLY famous but there's other books famous as well. And don't tell me it's because the main character in Twilight is played by Robert Pattinson which also played Cedric Diggory. I personally prefer Twilight, you can say I am the crazy teen girl who dreams about the amazing Edward. I also read some of Harry Potter books but even if I didn't I know what it is about. Gosh who doesn't after all the movies and stuff. The topics of those two books are ABSOLUTELY different I can't see one similar thing. So why the hell everybody compares it all the time? I think it just makes no sense. Does anybody compares for example Britney Spears to Metalica?Avatar Image says: i went on a 5k (3.1 miles) once and brought along my trusty shuffle to keep my mind busy. what was on it?? but eclipse! unfortunately tho, it was the chapter where jacob and bella talk (again) about his werewolf-iness and "imprinting." i had to pick the most BORING chapter to run to! and then it hit me.. they're ALL boring. ohh, duh, how could i not have seen it coming?? at least steph understands that she cannot and WILL NOT become the next jkr..if only her cult fans would listen...Avatar Image says: The Twilight books were good. Guilty pleasure reading that made me laugh and grimace in all the right parts, but they were, well, repetitive and entirely predictable. Don't get me wrong, I liked them, and they were better than a lot of other books, but after the way people talked about them, they were a bit of a disappointment. Harry Potter, on the other hand, was brilliant. Thank you, Stephanie, for having the grace to say so. I agree with what some earlier person said: Twilight got popular because fans needed a new way to fill the gap that Harry Potter had left. Twilight could never have survived if Harry Potter hadn't preceded it. AAvatar Image says: Whoops, got cut off there. Anyway, Harry Potter proved to the world that teens could and would read material over 600 pages of our own accord. This was monumental, and, without it, Twilight could never have existed. THANK YOU JKR, YOU ARE BRILLIANT!Avatar Image says: actually.,harry potter and twilight is the most wonderful series.,,Avatar Image says: I love Stephenie Meyer and her books. Never seen a book soooooo beautifull !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and the books shouldnt be compared) And I personnaly think that Stephenie Meyer doesnt want to steal J.K. ideas Avatar Image says: I love the twilight books. And.. I love Stephenie Meyer. But.. NO ONE WILL EVER REPLACE J.K.ROWLING!!!!!!!!!! J.K.Rowling is the most talented writer out there!!! She is the best of the best! Avatar Image says: Now dont get me wrong, i really like Twilight, but nothing, i repeat nothing, can compare to Harry Potter ! Usually people are telling me that i cant love both, but they are both really good reads and so addicting though. But without a doubt, if i could only choose one, its HARRY POTTER ALL THE WAY ! ♥Avatar ImageQueenOfPoo says: twilight is not realistic. every MAIN character is good-looking and can do no wrong. edward's an image of the perfect (appearance-wise) male, and frankly i think it's absolute crap. vampires aren't supposed to be girly little buggers who are too pretentious for their own good. they don't even have FANGS for christ's sake. the whole series is too superficial and bella's an effing idiot. Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter are a much better comparison. god. thinking about twilight pisses me off. long live Harry Potter ! ! ! !Avatar ImageQueenOfPoo says: Actually, Stephenie Meyer compares her books to Romeo and Juliet and Wuthering Heights (I forget where she said this but if anyone wants to know, go to www.twilightsucks.com) and says her love story is better... NO. Usually, she's very stuck-up about herself. A girl once drove two hours to her book signing, wait some more hours to ask her how she feels about writing a sexist novel and Meyer thought she was odd for taking so much time to do all of that for a book she hated. If her book was racist and people still liked it and this girl asked her the same question, Meyer would have another answer. Is sexism less important than racism or something? (Again, go to www.twilightsucks.com to find this stuff).Avatar ImagebellaB says: Twilight is for adults or almost adults and I would compare Twilight with films like the Piano. Harry Potter is made for younger audiences, who like adventure - and not emotional intensity, which we find it Twilight. There's no reason to compare the films only because they are popular and they have one actor in common.

Write a Reply or Comment

Finding Hogwarts

The Leaky Cauldron is not associated with J.K. Rowling, Warner Bros., or any of the individuals or companies associated with producing and publishing Harry Potter books and films.