Wall Street Journal on the Wrath of Harry Potter Fans

113

Sep 08, 2008

Posted by SueTLC
Uncategorized

As readers are aware, the news of the delay in the release of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince film until July 17, 2009 was met with great emotion, dismay, and a fair amount of anger. The Wall Street Journal has a new article online today, focusing on the reaction to the news from Warner Brothers, including the subsequent “apology” from WB president Alan Horn. The article states that “People at the studio say that while they knew that tampering with the Harry Potter release date could stir up dark forces, the studio never expected the current onslaught.” Some of that onslaught would include the multiple emails, petitions, YouTube videos (“Greg and Penny Gershman overlaid their own subtitles to a German film about the final days of Adolf Hitler. “How am I supposed to get my Potter fix now!” Hitler violently shouts, according to the new subtitles, when told of the delay by one of his officials. He adds: “We are going to make Warner Brothers suffer.”) and angry responses posted globally on the net and in mails sent to Mr. Horn himself. Examples:

“Jean Fink, a 51-year-old Los Angeles artist who also works as an administrative assistant, was so distraught after a night of fitful sleep that she dashed off a scathing message to the man who’d betrayed her. “I can’t breath amymore [sic] because you just ripped out my heart,” she wrote in an Aug. 15 email.

”…die-hard fans, sometimes called “Potterheads,” weren’t appeased. Kerry McGee, a 24-year-old office administrator from Townsville, Australia, says Mr. Horn’s attempt to create a positive spin on the delay “put fuel on the fire.” In response to Mr. Horn’s apology she sent 30 angry letters to Warner Bros. in bright red envelopes—an allusion to “howlers,” a magical kind of hate mail in the Potter world that screams loudly at the recipient and explodes violently if left unopened.”

Additional comments are reflected in The Telegraph here. The Wall Street Journal piece continues on to note that much of the anger was directed toward the exec at WB, as many felt the move was a purely money generating and motivated decision move, “a crass admission that the studio cares only about bigger box-office returns. “YOU just slapped the face of EVERY Harry Potter Fan and told us you don’t care what we want—you only want our money!” stormed Natalie DeGennaro, a 50-year-old electronic-design engineer who lives in Hillsborough, N.C., in an email she sent to Time Warner Chief Executive Jeffrey Bewkes, Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer and other executives.”

We here at Leaky and many of the other fan sites witnessed first hand the emotional, and largely angry outpouring of emotion that filled our comments by the hundreds and hundreds. Our own Melissa Anelli is cited as saying “A lot of our fans live in a fantasy world that they share with hundreds of thousands of other people—so when some people get angry, they feed off each other.” Andrew Sims of MuggleNet chimed in with the thought that “If something new came out, everybody would forget about it. But I got to be honest, a little part of me died inside when I heard about the delay.”





193 Responses to Wall Street Journal on the Wrath of Harry Potter Fans

Avatar Image says:

the wrath & power of the fans has been heard!

Avatar Image says:

they should not postpone it!!! now, take the wraths of the potter fan!

Avatar Image says:

But honestly, from the very first release of Philosophers Stone, WB has either not cared or were unaware of how to properly treat their fans in respect of the Potter films.

Consider the brilliant and thoughtful treatment of “the Ringer” by Peter Jackson and New Line re The Lord of The Rings.

Every December, there would be a new cinema film. Then the following April, a DVD with excellent behind the scenes documentaries. Then – the extended editions DVDs in September with a massive amount of extras all carefully put together showing just how carefully they valued both the fanbase -and the potental of DVDs.

The result ? Artistic, commercial and fan based hapiness !!!

Can you imagine what woul -could have happened if WBs cared just 10% as much about the Potter films ?

Avatar Image says:

I’ve got to be honest – I don’t understand the reaction. I love HP as much as anybody here but still…...it’s just a movie. There’s nothing new in it! We have the book, which is a million times better than any movie could possibly be!

Sure, it’s a bit disappointing to have to wait until next year, but really, is worth the kind of emotional distress the article reports?

Avatar Image says:

So much drama! These people should apply for a role in the next HP movie. Better yet, make it a soap opera.

Avatar Image says:

this is the first time I hear some media talks about the delay. its not really public,is it? only HP fans knows about it(and Twilight fans:O ). so of course nothing’s going to change.

I’m really active on you tube,and I watched that Hitler/Potter delay video-and its awesome! here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnt8_okeRA

and my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ThAXJDyZU

Avatar Image says:

Wow those people have to calm down a little. I am still so pissed (much less than before) at WB right now and it serves them right all this bad press.

Avatar Image says:

Hee. An article about fans. We’re famous! All the Hate Katie kids will finally be calmed.

Yeah, fans are mad. We already knew that, but M Jones is right. LotR was overall better planned and more geek friendly (possibly a reflection of PJ’s geek friendly self?) – but guys behind LotR had all the books in their hands before they even started the projects & WB did not have that luxury, so every film had to be taken once at a time.

Still, we have no real right to feel like we deserve anything. We haven’t given WB anything except our support and the money for cinema tickets – what do they really owe us?

I’m pretty sure it will only be a couple of decades before these films are remade and done properly.

Avatar Image says:

The articles feature extreme cases and do not offer flattering portraits of the profiled individuals.

I was as disappointed as the next person to hear news of the delay but there is nothing that can be done now, and I fear any further out cry will only set us up for more of this public humiliation.

Avatar Image says:

I have to say I did not believe my friend when she told me the movie was delayed. and delayed a YEAR!!

I Love harry potter. Since I do not have any more books to look forward to the Movies is where I dream now. I remember my first harry potter movie. It was so very special to me, and to have me have to wait 2 Years for the 6th movie to come out is ridiculous. I was so angry when i found out. took me over 2 weeks to calm down. IM still pissed at Warner Brothers…. Why couldnt twilight wait.. Theres more people who want harry potter than Twilight.

W.B> You let me down. maybe i sneak into the movie next time. And pay for popcorn least the mvoie theatre gets money that way. NOt you. Go home. and Grow up. NOW YOUR MARKET!.

Avatar Image says:

What is most important is the number of succesful adults that are so angry. This really helps our cause because it shows that Potter fans are not just teenagers who are not to be taken seriously. By the way—I am a 34 year old Highschool English teacher.

Avatar Image says:

For me…it’s not that it is being set for July….but that they taunted us with November…. it would have been less hurtful if they didn’t set a date and THEN change it. for that matter? why didn’t they set it for Christmas? that would have been lovely… families have time off….........

i’m not livid….just hurt.

what upset me more….is a lack of S.P.E.W. and although I love the extra attention to Neville…Dobby is getting sorely mistreated. that storeyline meant a lot to me…it symbolized a lot of Hermione’s compassion and Dobby’s strength. if they included more of that… well… I Might be more included to forgive and forget. OoOoO….and if they had a scene where Lupin remininced sitting around the fire talking about the his friends… (not cannon…...but at least it would make more connections….some of his pain…. AND be a wonderful use of a Great actor….. wow… i’m actually giddy thinking of a scene that will never be… but it would be Great)

Avatar Image says:

Aww, that’s awesome we made the news! Haven’t had time to read the article yet, I just hope they didn’t make us out to be batty fanatics, like some news sources seem to enjoy doing. XD

Avatar Image says:

Um, since when have we been refered to as “potterheads”? :P That was rather inventive.

Avatar Image says:

this is getting a bit out of hand.its just a movie. I’m okay with waiting for it. Maybe some of you should get out of your house a bit more. see the sun, get a tan, maybe even a significant other. that should keep you busy until july right?

just dont take it out on alan horn.he’s just doing what he thinks is right, and if you’re a true harry potter fan you’d support his decision like i do.

Avatar Image says:

I’ll be the first to admit that I was disappointed by the delay, but the level of wrath over a movie is crazy. I wonder what would happen if people put the same level of effort/letter writing toward climate change, Darfur or world hunger.

Avatar Image says:

Finally the “real” press is paying attention to what WB’s done. I’m actually not angry about the release change itself - I’ll see the films repeatedly regardless! - but I am angry at the blatant disregard of the fans that WB has shown. For an industry that lives and breathes PR, they absolutely did the worst possible PR job in the way this was handled that they could have done. I also agree that Mr. Horn’s “apology” was a load of crap, especially when he was also touting about how he’d seen the movie, etc., and never mentioned how he shouldn’t have said that in that manner or anything of that nature. These asinine “big shots” blew it, pure and simple, and I hope they feel the wrath of the fans for ages to come. They deserve it for forgetting exactly who it is who allows them to live and work the way they do.

Avatar Image says:

I think this article made us out to be a little crazy. But WB did not think the backlash would be this strong, What did they expect?. I still have a sliver of hope that WB would move the movie earlier. This sure has not helped their stock price it is still so low.

Avatar Image says:

I’m still angry with WB for their ridiculous statements trying to justify the postponement. But some of the comments from fans in this article seem just a tad over the top. LOL.

Avatar Image says:

I think I’m more upset over being called ‘Potterheads’.

When were we ever called Potterheads? I don’t think I’ve ever heard fans called Potterheads.

Why can’t we have a cool fandom name – Firefly fans are browncoats, Star Trek fans called Trekkies, Anime fans are Otaku.

We need something a lot better than just Potterheads.

Avatar Image says:

As the cauldron is stirred . . .

“I’ll be the first to admit that I was disappointed by the delay, but the level of wrath over a movie is crazy. I wonder what would happen if people put the same level of effort/letter writing toward climate change, Darfur or world hunger.” Posted by Sash

Well-said, and the point I have been trying to make through all this. It’s just a film. There are far more important protests to make in this world.

Avatar Image says:

I feel like this article may end up being used against the fans in the long run. Later people will talk about how crazy and fanatical we are….and not in a good way.

I have to disagree with the person who said that we don't deserve anything from Warner Brothers.  the fact that we spend our TIME  and our hard-earned 10.50-20$ on their movies(which aren't that good most of the time) which supplies a good portion of paychecks to their crews, taxes, etc....we do deserve our movie.

I am glad that someone is listening to the fans maybe it’ll make mr. horn come out and give a better apology than that poor excuse of an apology he gave weeks ago.

Now some perspective, let us remember that this is a movie…a very anticipated movie and already well loved movie….but still a movie nonetheless. Let’s remember that even though I too died a little inside when they pushed the movie back.

have a nice day!

Avatar Image says:

Oh, can”t people just get over it? The delay only means that we have more time until the end—the end of Harry Potter movie releases (remember, there are only two more movies after HBP is released). This gives us more time to enjoy the anticipation.

Avatar Image says:

A note to the WSJ; “I Hope You Choke on Your Own Saliva”, while certainly not a love letter, is not a ‘death threat’ either.

Avatar Image says:

I understand that it’s frustrating that the movie changed, but for grown women to lose sleep over it, or send “Howlers”, is a little pathetic. I far prefer the HP books over the movies, and for me, this is just 8 extra months I’ll have with HBP, reading it as Jo intended, and without the tainting of movie.

The fact that people think that a petition will have an affect on WB’s decision is laughable. Like there’s any true HP fan that WON’T go see the movie now…

We should NOT be proud that the actions of the fandom have become so childish, that the NY Times found it worthy of an article. Enjoy what you have, deal with what happened, and move on.

Avatar Image says:

Peski—I agree with you totally. I’m so glad there are some rational people out there!

Avatar Image says:

I was over all of this until this article came out it.

A studio spokeswoman declined to comment on Mr. Horn’s behalf for the story, saying that Mr. Horn’s apology spoke for itself. People at the studio say that while they knew that tampering with the Harry Potter release date could stir up dark forces, the studio never expected the current onslaught.

That statement made me think that all this might work in the end. I know I am dreaming but I can hope can’t I. I am realistic in the fact I know this will not work. But weirder things have happened.

I think WB needs to make another statement.

Avatar Image says:

While I am certainly not happy about the movie being postponed, I really think people should calm down. I mean, we still get Beedle the Bard this year and atleast they’re not delaying that!

Also, atleast it’s still happening and wasn’t cancelled permanently.

Avatar Image says:

@ laughing Man

For the record, “otaku” is actually quite a derogatory term. I know plenty of American young’uns don’t realize this, but it’s true. In Japan, manga and anime fans do not, in general, call themselves otaku. It’s the sort of thing one whispers about the creepy guy with the anime girl fetish.

And now, back to the topic at hand…

Avatar Image says:

Geez,

I’ve been called “Potterhead” by my extended family for years now. I didn’t think it was a new term. I wear the moniker proudly!

*Yes, I’m still ticked about the change, but ‘bidness is ‘bidness. They love us (and our money) and all, but profits come first. You can’t delude yourself differently. But, we don’t have to respect them either. We see the man behind the curtain.

Avatar Image says:

I OFFICIALLY FORGIVE WB.

Avatar Image says:

Interesting. The WSJ notes that we provoked a movie studio into a personal reply, which is nearly unprecedented. However, the illustrations used in the news story still say “fan=fanatic=crazy people we can dismiss.” But they didn’t dismiss us, quite; we got a story in the WSJ, and a personal reply from the corporate shirts.

The circular logic inherent in the story feels like someone’s trying to use a Jedi mind trick: “These are not the ‘droids you’re looking for. Move along.” As a business professional who reads the WSJ AND goes to Comic Con, I’m not sure if I’m impressed or insulted!

Someone mentioned that WB has had to be conservative with HP because they were making the movies book to book, and didn’t know if the series would be successful. I have to comment on this. That was true after the first 2 movies, but not since then. The movies clearly showed they could hold their own. Not only is WB doing “‘bidness is ‘bidness” (love it, Katarina!), but like Scholastic, they’re watching the caboose of the gravy train go by. The series is done, over, finito bandito. Unlike Scholastic, they have no clue where to catch the next train… chugga-chugga-chugga-whoo-whoo!!

Avatar Image says:

I officially, still DO NOT FORGIVE WB…. just for the record!

Avatar Image says:

Can people stop comparing the LOTR fanbse with the Potter fanbase? because both of them are cool in their own way!!!

Avatar Image says:

And i still hope they get more PROFESSIONAL HELL ahead! I don’t agree with how personal the attacks have been. That is just hateful and wrong. As far as bad publicity, bad box offices and more…. well that will serve them right.

Avatar Image says:

To all you people who think it’s “just a movie.” That’s NOT why people are angry. They’re angry because WB is using HP to squeeze out any dime they can get from tus. They’re taking advantage of the HP fanbase because of their own greed. The reason why it also angers us is because we know it WON’T make more money in the summer, because of various reasons. 1) The only reason why OotP made more money was because ticket prices wer higher. GoF, which was released in november, sold more tickets than ootp. 2) People are usually on vacation 3) they angered so many people that those thousands of people who are boycotting will only see the movie ONCE instead of multiple times, like they would have done in novebmer. Right ther, they jsut lost millions of dollars. That’s why it’s so frustrating! And for them to not listen, means that they care about about thir extra multi-millions than they do the fans, which is NOT a good capitalistic move. Because in capitalism, the common people are employing WB and keeping them afloat.

Avatar Image says:

well, it’s just disgusting isn’t it? I mean, of course we’ll all go see the movie. They’ll have their money as they wanted. But it’s all just very very disappointing….

The only thing that could make up for this is resetting the date to the original date.

Avatar Image says:

Yeah we will be heard! not sure about ‘Potterheads’ though!

Avatar Image says:

i’m not mad unless i think of it.. i get SO freakin’ excited when new pics are leaked, then i look at the top of the page and see the “The HBP airrives in… 311 days etc etc.. i’m on vacation when hbp comes out so i’ll have to wait until i get back to see it and my best friend is in new zealand for 5 weeks, starting two days before HBP is released (if they don’t change it again…) , talk about gutted!

well i don’t know about you “potterheads” but i’m going to send my weekly dose of ‘hate’ to alan horn’s inbox.

Avatar Image says:

If they had to move it for financial reasons, why not April , May? To many fan base movies have had success opening the summer in May. (See Spiderman). The fact alone that so many of us fans are still P’OFF should tell WB and Alan Horn that this movie would still achieve the desired 2009 payday they are seeking if release in May.

Avatar Image says:

I think the author invented that “Potterhead” thing so he seems like he’s hip and with it.

Honestly, I’m not that interested in the release date anymore, what with the strange script they concocted. HBP is going to be known as the weakest of the movies, partly because of the flip-flopping release date, and also because of the weird sweeping changes they made in the story.

It’s like they just stopped caring about the franchise.

Avatar Image says:

I AM A 49YO PROFESSIONAL AND I AM P’OFF ALSO.WE FANS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD IF WE WANT TOO.WE HAVE SPENT BILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON HP(BILLIONS).I DONT WANT TO WAIT 311 MORE DAYS,IF SOME EMAILS AND LETTERSCAN CHANGE THINGS.ALLEN HORN CAN BE FIRED. STOCK HOLDERS ARE IN CHARGE OF WB.IF ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE RILED THINGS CHANGE. ASK ANY FORMER CEO.IT IS MY PERSONAL BELIEF THAT CHRISTMAS TIME IS THE BEST TIME FOR A HP MOVIE RELEASE NOT JULY.

Avatar Image says:

I’m absolutely shocked that so many of you have not heard the term, “Potterhead.” It’s been floating around the fandom for quite some time. Though we could do with a better name… any suggestions?

Avatar Image says:

Death threats? Seriously people. I am extremely pissed off about the delay too, but death threats is crossing the line, people. That’s just wrong. It just makes us look like a bunch of psychos. And since when have we been called Potterheads?

Avatar Image says:

Death threats? Seriously people. I am extremely pissed off about the delay too, but death threats is crossing the line, people. That’s just wrong. It just makes us look like a bunch of psychos. And since when have we been called Potterheads? I’ve never heard that term.

Avatar Image says:

um… have you people not read the book? do you not know what happens? its just a movie, not crack. yes – wb did make the date change because they want more money. its all about the money in the corp world and you are foolish to think otherwise. if you really want to show wb how angry you are with them, since sending all those angry letters hasnt made them change the date back, dont go see the movie or buy any more hp products. its that simple. but we all know thats not going to happen and wb knows this so they will continue to do as they please and pretty much blow off anything any of you have to say. if you really want to get your messages across, stop giving them money.

Avatar Image says:

Can we all chill, please? It’s not like the release date of HBP is a life-or-death matter, here.

If the biggest disappointment in your life is that HBP isn’t coming out in November, you are a very lucky person.

Avatar Image says:

i’ve completely lost interest in the HBP moive since the delay and the test screening report just helped me more to don’t care.Thank god(JKR) for the Beedle Bard release in december

Avatar Image says:

How about Pottymouths instead of Potterheads. Just a thought.

Avatar Image says:

People should just boycott the movie and let WB eat it. Fans have the books to reflect upon. Maybe if WB sees the power of the fans they will be more considerate in the future.

Avatar Image says:

Peeves would love it!

Avatar Image says:

Lol, I’m the only “potterhead” I know of…

Avatar Image says:

Has anyone considered that the real, unspoken reason for delaying the film is because it isn’t up to what WB thought it would be? I remember an article that quoted the WB executives, as well as the director and producers. They all said that the movie was finished, they’d screened the final themselves and it was good.

If they screened a final, why are they screening unfinished versions in Chicago without post-production effects incorporated? I think it’s because they are trying to rework the movie. It wasn’t good. They couldn’t fix it by the November release date and pushed it.

The reason put out in the press release about revenue and a tent-pole movie for the studio is truthful to a degree, but do you really expect WB to say, “Yeah, we really didn’t like it, so we’re trying frantically to fix it.”

I hold onto this idea because from reading the summaries of the Chicago screeners, the movie is lacking in major ways. I think WB will realize what they need to change when the comments from some screenings come in. Just think – if this is true, they have nearly 11 months to revamp. They’ll start filming Deathly Hallows in Feb. Why not film a couple extra scenes for HBP as well? Seems like a good way to attack the problem.

Anyway, I’ll hold out hope that the movie will be better than the summaries I’ve read. For what it’s worth, I’m a 28 year old computer programmer. Some people think it makes a difference if adults are upset?

Avatar Image says:

I’ve read the article now, and am frankly disgusted with it. Anyone with more than an ounce of reading comprehension can see that it has a slight undertone of mockery. I’m sure the author was chuckling to himself and thinking “those lunatics!” but it SHOWS. Does he think we can’t see through transparency? All the quotes were from the most obsessed fans, and practically the only quotes used were the ones with bad language, for heaven sakes. And “potterheads” is a rude term, weather he coined it or not.

Avatar Image says:

You know, the books are all about taking action rather than sitting around on our tushies. What was the WB expecting? or why weren’t the expecting it might be the correct question?

Avatar Image says:

I’m afraid that if you think moving the film opening for a better finacnical placement is not capitalism at work, then you don’t understand the meaning of the word. As was said before, business is business. In a way the HP fans should be flattered that a huge corporation like WB, when faced with the stark reality of trying to recover from last year’s writers’ strike and with little viable product on the shelf for next year turned to the next Potter film as their salvation.

It IS all about money—and it takes a whole lot of it to make these films as good as they are. I can’t wait for July, but I will, and attend proudly. :)

Avatar Image says:

The judge has made a ruling on the Lexicon case!

http://ca.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idCAN0845394920080908

Avatar Image says:

NEWS FLASH!!!! JO WON THE CASE AGAINST VANDER ARK!!!!!!!

Avatar Image says:

Oh, and as smeone who knows, this film need only needs a small number of cgi additions to be screen worthy. In fact It was so much better than I thought it would be that I can’t wait to see it again.

I was honestly expecting to only see it once because, hey its more Harry Potter, but despite all the changes and cuts, it is by far the best and most beautiful Potter film out of the last three that came out.

Much more editing might ruin the great film they already have.

Avatar Image says:

Oh, and to Michael re: the test screening in Chicago—they have done this for at least the past 3 HP films, unfinished, and with an eye towards getting audience’s reactions to what is presented so far. It is unfinished on purpose. This is a common Hollywood practice and in no way limited to WB or the HP films. Thought you should know. :D

Avatar Image says:

LOL

Avatar Image says:

Laughing man wrote “Star Trek fans called Trekkies”—the original (back in the 1960s) Star Trek fans were not happy about being referred to as Trekkies and really hated science fiction being shortened to SciFi but those eventually caught on. But really, isn’t there something more appropriate to the series/fantasy/magic and more whimsical that we can come up with than Potterheads? We need a contest to name ourselves. The Twilight fans voted on whether they preferred to be Twilighters or Twihards (Twilighters won). Let’s throw out some names and have a poll on Leaky and maybe all the other HP sites will do the same and we can have a final vote of all the top names from the top sites and get a concensus. Is Potterheads what Melissa found to be the case when she was collecting all her research for her fandom book?

Avatar Image says:

It’s too bad these articles make us sound like crazeeeee peoples!

Simply: big business is happy to profit from our emotional attachment to their “product” but haven’t quite cottoned to how to treat us respectfully.

Avatar Image says:

Honestly? I’m not well and I was so happy that November was almost here. When I heard how far away the movie was moved to, I felt defeated. I hope my situation doesn’t become dire and that I’m around then and it’s silly that a little movie would be the thing that keeps you going but it’s just a little something to look forward to that helps lighten the load.

Avatar Image says:

“People at the studio say that while they knew that tampering with the Harry Potter release date could stir up dark forces, the studio never expected the current onslaught.”

Ha ha. Good job, guys. Way to pay attention. Seeing as Harry Potter only has a MASSIVE fanbase full of emotionally invested people who have caused it to shatter all book sale records AND many film sale records.. man, they really must be out of touch. Normally, you’d think they’d do a little research on their cash cows. Did it even cross their minds that this is the only sliver we’ve got left to hold on to now that the series is done? This, Beedle the Bard, and the encyclopedia Jo may never even finish (god, I hope she does)? If there was one thing that would genuinely peeve fans, it was this. They’re really not invested in this at all beyond fiscal numbers.

I mean, setting it back a couple months? Okay. I can see it. But a whole year? Maybe they thought the fanbase died out due to the books all being released? I just fail to see their reasoning with this.

Avatar Image says:

Sorry to post off topic, but it’s been confirmed JKR has won her case against SVA.

Avatar Image says:

Look at yourself are your OK.People the whole rebellion dint start from us we were angry but WBs enemies had maked us to believe is WBs fault.AND WHAT WE ARE DOING.WE ARE DOING THINGS LIKE DEAD THREATS AND PEOPLE CALL US PSYCHOS.YOU HAVE TO STOP.LETS THINK IT THIS WAY WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GIVE WB A LESSON.BUT IN YOUR ATTEMPT TO GIVE THEM A LESSON YOU WILL DESTROY HP HAD SAVED WB SEVERAL TIMES FROM BANKRUPT AND IF WE BANKRUPT WB THERE ARE NOT TO GOING TO BE ANY HP MOVIES OR THEY ARE GOING TO BE WITH CRAPPY EFFECTS.MAYBE YOU WILL SAY THAT SOME OTHER COMPANY WOULD DO THE MOVIE.NO BECAUSE WB WONT SELL THE LICENSE.AND EVEN IF THAT HAPPENS THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT REALL CRAP SO WHERE ARE YOU GOING.STOP OR IN THE HISTORY WE WILL BE THE POTTER PSYCHOS WHO COULDNT WAIT 300 DAYS.

Avatar Image says:

“I’m absolutely shocked that so many of you have not heard the term, “Potterhead.” It’s been floating around the fandom for quite some time. Though we could do with a better name… any suggestions?

Posted by MissHagrid on September 08, 2008 @ 01:23 PM “

I, like others, am surprised that some of you haven’t heard that before. I’m sure it’s been around for at least the last five years. Or would you prefer the other one that I’ve heard (and sometimes from Potter fans themselves)? Would you rather be called a Potterholic? Hmmm, thought not.

Personally, I would be embarassed if I had written that sort of email and had my name included in the article by WSJ, who, I agree, is laughing at the fans who are so over the top. But I do have to give credit to the ones who had the guts and courtesy to sign their real names.

When it comes down to it, WB is a business and they are responsible to their stockholders for making sound business decisions. A screen writer friend explained the whole tent pole analogy, in case it’s not obvious. Studios like to have a sure fire winner of a movie, usually released in the summer (middle of the year) that will make their year a success. Because of the writer’s strke, things planned for the summer of 2009 are going to be done and because of the overwhelming success (beyond what they hoped for) of The Dark Knight, WB needed to make sure they didn’t end up with two block busters in the same year and nothing huge in the year following.

So, the decision was made to move HBP to the summer of 2009, which will “hold up” the season like a tent pole. By doing that, studios can release some of the movies that people like to see but ones that will never bring in that sort of revenue. It’s all about balancing the books and keeping the income for each year more even. Investors don’t like a company that has huge financial success one year followed by a low the next. It’s not good business. And that’s the key when all is said and done.

Moving HBP is a BUSINESS decision, and from that perspective, WB would have been irresponsible to do anything else.

Avatar Image says:

Hmmm… Now that tempers have cooled down and we’ve resigned to this dreadful decision I can’t help feeling slightly amused by WB’s desmay. Did they really expected the fans to sit quietly and nod as well behave ninnies honestly?

Avatar Image says:

I wish we had an edit button.

It should say:

Because of the writer’s strike, things planned for the summer of 2009 are NOT going to be done. . .

Sorry about that.

Avatar Image says:

althea, i don’t think anyone here is saying it’s a life or death situation. i think we’re sane enough not to be under the illusion date changes kill us. even if some people are slightly over reacting their feelings…

potterhead, we’re harry potter fans, of course we’re gonna buy hp products and go see the movie or buy it on dvd! you can’t expect us not to.. in an ideal world that would be the clever thing to do.. however us mere muggles can’t resist temptation when it comes to harry potter..

martha, i agree totally, death threats make us sound pathetic…

from what i’ve heard HBP is going to be awesome and the only let down for me is WB! i understand a books a book and a movie is a movie, there is no way they can stick to the book with everything. anyone complaining because parts of it have changed are being stupid. plus from what i’ve heard from posts regarding the script it sounds amazing. i have emailed my complaint to alan horn and now i’m gonna go finish reading dh, then re-read hbp AGAIN then dh AGAIN (..for the millionth times aha)

Avatar Image says:

Simple…you don’t have to boycott the entire movie just the opening weekend. It will screw their numbers up and someone will be in trouble.

Also, since they dumped the Harry kissing Ginny after winning the quiddich cup(one of the most passionate moments ever)—guess what probably get’s dumped in DH…Dobby, the wedding, Lupin & Tonks(ergo Teddy), Harry/Ginny 17 bday kiss, the Ron/Hermoine kiss, probably the whole epilogue and much more. Will they change those DH dates at the last minute too? What butchers!!!!

Avatar Image says:

Can I just say, I don’t like the delay at ALL either, but… Why does everybody seem so shocked by the idea that Warner Bros only thinks of money now? They always only think of money, it’s what they do! If they wouldn’t want to make as much money out of it as they can, they wouldn’t’ve made the movie in the first place. I find it horrible as well, and I never like people putting money first, but- what’s the surprise here? We all know this: production companies spend money on movies, so they can make even more.

Avatar Image says:

everybody allredy accepted the release dates of both movies- the half blood prince and the deathly hallows, and everybody were already aware of the time gap between those two, so why move it? I know I wouldnt mind the time gap between the two!!!! So why move it??? I believe every so called ‘potterehead’s’ heart had been shrunken by the sad news. Nobody wanted to hear that!!! After waiting for it for so long, i’ll find it hard to move my mental countdown a year longer. And by the way- i hope the movie leaks previous it’s release date.

Avatar Image says:

(sorry for the double post)

@ the laughing Man

I don’t consider myself a ‘Potterhead’, I’m a Dumbledore’s man- err, gal ;-) Through and through!

Avatar Image says:

everybody allredy accepted the release dates of both movies- the half blood prince and the deathly hallows, and everybody were already aware of the time gap between those two, so why move it? I know I wouldnt mind the time gap between the two!!!! So why move it??? I believe every so called ‘potterehead’s’ heart had been shrunken by the sad news. Nobody wanted to hear that!!! After waiting for it for so long, i’ll find it hard to move my mental countdown a year longer. And by the way- i hope the movie leaks previous it’s release date.

Avatar Image says:

Heres a thought; Time Warner is a company that is publicly traded how about WE Potterheads start buying the stock then we as share holders would have a say so in the dicision of who runs the buisness and then we could put someone in to run W/B who knows what a Potterhead is all about.

Avatar Image says:

er… scratch the “cooled down” bit… seems there are still plenty of seething fans… I say let it go (or use all that anger in a more channelling way like making avatars with a certain WB rep, check the pic in the WSJ… I swear it’s therapeutic).

WB has offended a few millions in the world didn’t they expect some kind of backslash??? Voldmort hath no wrath as HP fans indeed!

Avatar Image says:

Heres a thought; Time Warner is a company that is publicly traded how about WE Potterheads start buying the stock then we as share holders would have a say so in the dicision of who runs the buisness and then we could put someone in to run W/B who knows what a Potterhead is all about.

Avatar Image says:

My god why did they have to do this just for money? I effing hate those bastards, now I have to endure another year of school before seeing a new Harry Potter film. This really sucks!!!

Avatar Image says:

Don’t miss the message here -WB at least a little unsettled by the thought that HP supporters will possibly put their money where their mouths are and affect WB’s earnings. I agree it’s not going to get HBP rescheduled into this year, that was already a given, but don’t buy the DVDs WB puts out other than Harry Potter , don’t go see the films at the theater, let them eat them. The point is, if you stand up for fair treatment, and do so strongly, you have a lot better chance of getting it in the future. It’s not “just a movie” -it’s about your right to respect as a consumer. Make them earn it. Does anyone miss the fact that there are politics in Harry Potter ????

Avatar Image says:

Jeez, it’s one thing to be angry about the release date, but this is sheer insanity. Using a video of HITLER to express your anger about a MOVIE?!? They should be ashamed of themselves. Get a life. Take a look around you, and you will see real atrocities happening in our world. Poverty. Starvation. Exploitation and ruthless abuse and slaughter of human and nonhuman beings. What a waste of energy and motivation. If only it were being used for something significant. Clearly, many Harry Potter “fans” haven’t learned a thing from the series. I’m disgusted.

Avatar Image says:

The Hitler video on Youtube they mentioned is hilarious! I watched it one day like 2 weeks ago and I nearly died of laughter. :P

Avatar Image says:

Jeez, it’s one thing to be angry about the release date, but this is sheer insanity. Using a video of HITLER to express your anger about a MOVIE?!? They should be ashamed of themselves. Get a life. Take a look around you, and you will see real atrocities happening in our world. Poverty. Starvation. Exploitation and ruthless abuse and slaughter of human and nonhuman beings. What a waste of energy and motivation. If only it were being used for something significant. Clearly, many Harry Potter “fans” haven’t learned a thing from the series. I’m disgusted.

Avatar Image says:

This is the second time this year that I’ve had a movie I was really looking forward to delayed. Paramount has also pushed back the new J.J. Abrams helmed Star Trek movie to next summer. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it. Greed will always win out over pleasing your fan base. I guess we’ll just have to settle for a crappy remake of “The Day The Earth Stood Still” this Christmas.

I for one,would love to see some extended version DVD’s of all of the Potter films. They show versions on cable with all of the deleted scenes added back in. I doubt that it would be very difficult for WB to put these out.

I also think we could find something better than Potterheads. (A term which I’ve never heard until now) And also, most Trek fans prefer to be called “Trekkers” not “Trekkies”.

Avatar Image says:

Jeez, it’s one thing to be angry about the release date, but this is sheer insanity. Using a video of HITLER to express your anger about a MOVIE?!? They should be ashamed of themselves. Get a life. Take a look around you, and you will see real atrocities happening in our world. Poverty. Starvation. Exploitation and ruthless abuse and slaughter of human and nonhuman beings. What a waste of energy and motivation. If only it were being used for something significant. Clearly, many Harry Potter “fans” haven’t learned a thing from the series. I’m disgusted.

Avatar Image says:

Actually, and I totally know this is blasphemy, but Im happy the Potter film moved. It means a better film, better editing and more time for multiple viewings in the summer. And, Im PSYCHED for Twilight! I could have screamed with joy when I heard that Twilight….Robbie Pattinson, yummy…...was taking the slot! If we cant have Potter, bring on the super sexy Vampires!

Avatar Image says:

Ok just a few things to (hopefully) calm some folks down… :-)

I worked for several years in the film industry, and I can assure you that yes, they want their money of course, but they also want a good product. 99% of the time when a film is shifted in schedule it is because there are some post-production issues that are going to take up more time than predicted. Yes the film could probably be ready in February or March but once it has to be delayed, their (very logical) way of thinking is, why release it in a notoriously dead time of year for cinema, but rather when the greatest number of fans will be able to enjoy it right away?

I know you may be seeing the trailer and hearing about the screenings and think of the film as “finished” but it is most definitely not, and everything I have read (even here on Leaky) indicates to me that the film is going to be better due to the delay. IMHO, I would rather have a film better later, than a shabby job now!

Secondly, I would like to put forth a gentle little nudge that as much as we all here love Harry, I think even JKR would remind us that there is a lot going on in the world that deserves this amount of energy and concern far more than when a film is coming out. :-)

Avatar Image says:

Actually, and I totally know this is blasphemy, but Im happy the Potter film moved. It means a better film, better editing and more time for multiple viewings in the summer. And, Im PSYCHED for Twilight! I could have screamed with joy when I heard that Twilight….Robbie Pattinson, yummy…...was taking the slot! If we cant have Potter, bring on the super sexy Vampires!

Avatar Image says:

Thanks, Sue for posting it…....

I would love to know what J.K. thinks…..

I emailed Alan (Vader) Horn after I went to the newsstand…Lauren thought it was hilarious…

J.K. Thanks for all the bruises.

Avatar Image says:

Actually, and I totally know this is blasphemy, but Im happy the Potter film moved. It means a better film, better editing and more time for multiple viewings in the summer. And, Im PSYCHED for Twilight! I could have screamed with joy when I heard that Twilight….Robbie Pattinson, yummy…...was taking the slot! If we cant have Potter, bring on the super sexy Vampires!

Avatar Image says:

Thanks, Sue for posting it…....

I would love to know what J.K. thinks…..

I emailed Alan (Vader) Horn after I went to the newsstand…Lauren thought it was hilarious…

J.K. Thanks for all the bruises.

Avatar Image says:

Good. Thosε black-hεartεd scoundrεls at WB should know how much thεy angεrεd us. I don’t think thεy havε hεard thε last of this to bε surε.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-cough cough. ::attεmpt at bεing εvil failεd::

♥♥♥

Avatar Image says:

Thanks, Sue for posting it…....

I would love to know what J.K. thinks…..

I emailed Alan (Vader) Horn after I went to the newsstand…Lauren thought it was hilarious…

J.K. Thanks for all the bruises.

Avatar Image says:

Jeez, it’s one thing to be angry about the release date, but this is sheer insanity. Using a video of HITLER to express your anger about a MOVIE?!? They should be ashamed of themselves. Get a life. Take a look around you, and you will see real atrocities happening in our world. Poverty. Starvation. Exploitation and ruthless abuse and slaughter of human and nonhuman beings. What a waste of energy and motivation. If only it were being used for something significant. Clearly, many Harry Potter “fans” haven’t learned a thing from the series. I’m disgusted.

Avatar Image says:

This is the second time this year that I’ve had a movie I was really looking forward to delayed. Paramount has also pushed back the new J.J. Abrams helmed Star Trek movie to next summer. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it. Greed will always win out over pleasing your fan base. I guess we’ll just have to settle for a crappy remake of “The Day The Earth Stood Still” this Christmas.

I for one,would love to see some extended version DVD’s of all of the Potter films. They show versions on cable with all of the deleted scenes added back in. I doubt that it would be very difficult for WB to put these out.

I also think we could find something better than Potterheads. (A term which I’ve never heard until now) And also, most Trek fans prefer to be called “Trekkers” not “Trekkies”.

Avatar Image says:

Thanks, Sue for posting it…....

I would love to know what J.K. thinks…..

I emailed Alan (Vader) Horn after I went to the newsstand…Lauren thought it was hilarious…

J.K. Thanks for all the bruises.

Avatar Image says:

Wall Street Journal…heh heh heh!! Go Potter fans!!!

Avatar Image says:

I know nothing will come of this but it makes you wonder if WB is concerned about the backlash. I vote for a move to may 22, 2009 right before memorial day. I can see there side of needing a movie for next year but up until June they have nothing that would make be see the film or buy the DVD.

Avatar Image says:

I have no sympathy for the fans of this film due to the date being pushed back. These were the same people who had great fun at the expense of Trek fans when Paramount pushed Trek from Christmas of of this year to May of 2009.

Karma is a force that should not be messed with. It always comes back to bite those who are unsympathetic.

Avatar Image says:

I can’t believe they didn’t post a link to the Hitler video. It was so funny!

Avatar Image says:

WB didnt know that they were getting into when they decided to change the date. shame on them. they deserve it.

Avatar Image says:

I have no sympathy for the fans of this film due to the date being pushed back. These were the same people who had great fun at the expense of Trek fans when Paramount pushed Trek from Christmas of of this year to May of 2009.

Karma is a force that should not be messed with. It always comes back to bite those who are unsympathetic.

Avatar Image says:

M Jones – yes you can really tell the difference between the two and i hope that there is as much love given to film 7 and 8 as the LotR trio!!!

Avatar Image says:

Jeez, it’s one thing to be angry about the release date, but this is sheer insanity. Using a video of HITLER to express your anger about a MOVIE?!? They should be ashamed of themselves. Get a life. Take a look around you, and you will see real atrocities happening in our world. Poverty. Starvation. Exploitation and ruthless abuse and slaughter of human and nonhuman beings. What a waste of energy and motivation. If only it were being used for something significant. Clearly, many Harry Potter “fans” haven’t learned a thing from the series. I’m disgusted.

Avatar Image says:

M Jones – yes you can really tell the difference between the two and i hope that there is as much love given to film 7 and 8 as the LotR trio!!!

Avatar Image says:

Good. Thosε black-hεartεd scoundrεls at WB should know how much thεy angεrεd us. I don’t think thεy havε hεard thε last of this to bε surε.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH-cough cough. ::attεmpt at bεing εvil failεd::

♥♥♥

Avatar Image says:

Yes!! Finally we make ourselves known! Time to strike and take back what is ours!! Our final victory is near!!

BTW: “Potterheads”!!!!?????

Avatar Image says:

I think everyone needs to chill out – i was as angry as everyone else was with the way they changed the release date out of the blue with no warning and even wrote an email to WB stating this. However we are all still going to see the film, even if the wait is longer, and from the description’s in the report from the test screening it is going to be well worth this extended wait. I am now really excited and will probably spend most of the remaining time re-reading the books – especially the sixth!! So just enjoy the exciting anticipation – that’s part of the fun!!

Avatar Image says:

it’s nice to see that our reaction to this debacle has gotten some real attention… at least that’s something.

Avatar Image says:

To those of you who think we are a bunch of angry crackpots…

We are not pissed about the date change so much as to the blatant and constant disregard for the fans. It surely does not help that WB’s left that “carrot” dangling in front of our noses and then rudely yanked it away like Vernon Dursley might taunt Harry with a treat. For those of us old enough, you could also refer to National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation where Clark is expecting a LARGE raise and gets a Jam of the Month subscription instead! (Could you imagine the huge letdown?!) This sends his not so well grounded brother-in-law to abduct Clark’s boss… Even his boss’ wife and the police get upset at what the boss had done.

Many of us are NOT teenagers. We have teenagers and/or young children who cherish these films. We also enjoy the time we get/got by seeing these movies together as a family. We as busy people get so few of this anymore. Some of us are working professionals who might even be business owners ourselves. We understand the customer satisfaction/money aspect. If you do your best to keep your customers happy, they will return and in return give you repeat business. It was not just the working professional that noticed what this change was truly about. Money. Rightfully so, this has been a PR nightmare for WB’s and they are more than happy to let Newsweek make us look like crazy/mad people.

Alas, not all of us “Potterheads” sit in our dark dungeons, playing games, hiding from life and scanning the net for more Sci-fi to live in. There are fanatics in everything. Please do not think or lump us all into the same category. The Hitler one is…... Well…. Disturbing, sick and twisted and yet, oddly amusing. Once again, it was only in that sick and twisted way. I personally think I would just stick to the “He Who Must Not Be Named” or “Vernon Dursley” reference to Alan instead. Both seem to fit.

Yes, we are still mad. We are mad because we have been treated as though we are only as good as the price tag on our heads.

WB’s may not OWE us anything considering the movie and its release date. Nevertheless, they should really reconsider treating us like social outcasts in the public eye. We are NOT all “kewk-sticks” and “crazies” as they would have us appear in Newsweek. By doing this type of PR spin, they are not encouraging us to forgive and move on.

Will I see the movie? Yes. However, it will likely be a week or so after it comes out. If only on principal and to make my possibly invisible point to WB’s.

Avatar Image says:

Its awesome that both Andrew ad Melissa got featured in the article and reallows shows how much they mean to the fandom, great work guys!

Avatar Image says:

I was (and still am) incredibly upset and angry when I found out that the HBP movie was going to be released in July, but Warner Brothers has made its decision, as much as I’d like to believe otherwise, nothing we can do now will change that decision. The people mentioned in the above article have just given the world outside the fandom another chance to say “Look at those crazy Harry Potter fans!” Their actions do little to reflect love and the other positive values that the books embody. Frankly, I’m a little embarrassed on behalf of the fan community. I’m very grateful that we have the opportunity to make our views, good and bad, known to Warner Brothers, but PLEASE use some common sense and decorum!!

And in response to “the laughing Man” and others…I love the term “Potterheads!” My friends and I use it all the time. I’m not opposed to other terms, but I think it’s fairly natural yet creative play on words.

Avatar Image says:

Its awesome that both Andrew ad Melissa got featured in the article and reallows shows how much they mean to the fandom, great work guys!

Avatar Image says:

Shame on you Warner Brothers!! Just goes to show the big shots at Warner Brothers are all MUGGLES! Maybe we should Crucio them all so they can feel our pain. (LOL)

Avatar Image says:

I was shocked when I heard of the delay, disappoined when I heard the reason and outraged at the spin job Alan Horn tried to put to the story. As my protest, I will see Half-Blood Prince of course but I will NOT see any other WB produced movies until after the July 2009 release. WB decided what was best to do with their money and I have decided what I will do with mine.

Avatar Image says:

I am a 57 year old woman with a good job and a family. A family that loves Harry Potter!! WHY?? No drugs, no sex, good fighting evil. Great story. Whats not to love? Wonderful FAMILY entertainment.. And Warner Brother totally underestimated us. I wonder what will happen to the video game that was to be released around the same time as the movie, since they were thousands of preorders.What about all the retailers that had Harry Potter merchandise ready for christmas?? All the posters and magazines that had already been printed with the original date. I would think Warner Brothers is going to have more problems than irate fans.

Avatar Image says:

I love it that all these mentioned fans are around 50 years old. It just makes me giggle.

Avatar Image says:

I am extremely disappointed with warner bros. ridiculoud postponement. This makes it quite clear to me that the don’t want anything more than our money! I sure wish it were possible to send real howlers; the warner bros. headquarters would be burning up!!!!!!

Avatar Image says:

hey there’s an australian in it she lives about 4 hours from where i live…wow lol

Avatar Image says:

Melissa, I’m not angry, because I live in a fantasy world. I quite like the books (some of them anyway), and enjoy watching the films, but am not obsessed.

I’m upset because of how disrespectfully and arogantly we fans were treated by WB.

Now, just seeing the WB logo or AH’s name feels nautiating. And I’m sad, that Jo Rowling, as well as some of my favorite actors, have anytIhing to do with them. Same as me, as I’m still going to see the film, and buy the dvd.

Avatar Image says:

No matter when the movie is people will flock to see it. Changing the date has no purpose but to make people upset. And from what i read in the prescreening maybe they should go back and revamp it, i will go to see it but hearing their “edits” i am already disappointed, they always butcher the books, if you are not willing to do it right dont do it at all. I agree with thed above comment on LOTR, they did an amazing jobs the extended versions were very long and people went and saw them numerous times, y can they not just do one movie right and not cut out important parts. there were edits in LOTR but they did not take away from the books i find the edit wb makes destorys the wonder of the books.

Avatar Image says:

I’m just relieved that I’m not the only grown up potterhead! That red envelope was a nice touch, hope someone hacks one of those greeting cards with the recorded audio message and makes a real howler!

Avatar Image says:

OMG I CANT WAIT FOR THE MOVIE TO COME OUT I THINK I SHALL BE FIRST IN THE LINE FOR THICKETS!!!

Avatar Image says:

Since when are we called Potterheads??? that’s insulting…..

Avatar Image says:

^ I’ve been called worse.

Perhaps if WB had treated the Harry Potter franchise with the kind of opulence that New Line gave Lord of the Rings as MJones suggested I might be all upset about the delay too. Really I don’t care what they do with them now. I’ll still go see them, but I’m not all excited like I was when the LotR movies were coming out, then coming out again on DVD.

At this point the movies are so far removed from the books, I think it’ll be fitting if they end the series when Dan Radcliffe is 30, married, and with two kids of his own. The theatrical releases are too short and rushed and the DVD releases are so lame they can’t possible make up for it.

Avatar Image says:

I have no sympathy for Potter fans carping about the films release date being moved. Folks thought it was pretty funny when Trek fans went nuts over Paramount moving the date of the new Trek film to May 2009 from Christmas 2008. Not so funny now is it?

The one thing that Potter fans need to understand…. Warner Bros, like Paramount is a business. It job is not to cater to fans. Its to make movies for the public in general. These films are created for the fans to enjoy but they also have to bring in people who have not read the books, or to people who didn’t want to invst the time in reading them.

At the end of the day Warner Bros job is to make a profit. If moving the date ensures that more money will be made by doing so, they are obligated to the sotck holders to do so. They are obligated to the financers to do so.

The Harry Potter films were never made to please just the fans. They were made to make a profit. If you don’t get that, you really are living outside of reality.

Avatar Image says:

I think a lot of people need a life! I am an enormous Harry Potter fan and I was disappointed about the release date being pushed back, but good grief! ‘“I can’t breath amymore [sic] because you just ripped out my heart,”’ If that is the case, this woman seriously needs to find some more outlets for her life. I can think of some wonderful charities that need volunteers!

Avatar Image says:

WB, damage done. You not only made an extemly large fan base mad, you managed to screw over the merchandisers, and investors. The store chains who were looking to profits that might make a turn in this rescession are now assured on a lingering, low profit quarter in 2008. Merchandising in July, I don’t think so, profits lost anain. The software companies, who spent a small fortune, when money is tight, are going to have a hard time now that they have had to sweep their projects into the closet until next year. Do you think their investors are happy. A lot of people like me are likely to not just voycot WB films, but likely the Cinima entirely. Great job WB. May your pockets feel the pain.,

Jay

Avatar Image says:

I am glad WB is getting what I think they deserve. I agree that some of the protest has been a bit wacky, but effective none the less. I was hurt too when they delayed the movie after they released the teaser trailer. Seriously….how long have they been in the movie business? That was such a newbe move. I think more of the backlash comes from the way Potter fans feel completely mistreated by WB. We are the base for the franchise and to be disregarded in the same breath that you say you love us is a just….....well Wrong. While I understand from a business prospective the opportunity to open the movie in July 2009, the manner in which the WB handled the decision was disgraceful. The article just proved that when you are responsible for such a beloved story that has a massive fan base, as a studio you do not treat your market as side item. I really hope that this teaches WB to treat Potter fans with more respect and consideration, and form now on not to make any more dim-witted moves.

Avatar Image says:

biodredd, The same people that made fun of the Trekkies are the ones making fun of the Potter Fans so please don’t make fun of us. Jay, you are dead on. I also believe that WB will bring in LESS at the box office by moving the date. Harry Potter is being delayed because big shots may not get their bonus next year if they do not come up with a way to increase revenue for 2009. They do not care if Harry Potter makes more money. HPB may actually make less money in 2009 since there will be less hype. The Tales of Beedle the Bard and Harry Potter And The Sorcerers Stone: 10th Anniversary Edition are both coming out this year. Dan will be in New York doing Equus on Broadway. The only HP event announced for 2009 is the movie. Thanksgiving weekend (Nov. 27, 2008) is one of the largest movie weekends in the US. The reason OOTP did so well in July was because the book was coming out in the same month. I know a lot of people who went to the movie and stood in line for the book. The actors will be filming DH in 2009. If they are still filming in July will they break to do the film premiers? Will David Yates and his staff miss the premiers or continue preparing DH? If everyone stops work on DH to promote HBP will DH be ready for the 2010 release? How many HP fans will flip to Twilight? Do not let Horn make you believe this had anything to do with WB making more money on HBP. It is all about him and his staff’s bonuses! When executives of large companies started getting bonuses they started to think of what was best for them and not what was best for the company. I do not know if I blame them for that attitude but I do wish we could live in Harry Potter’s world where good wins and Harry tries to save them all, even giving Voldemont that once last chance to save himself. Horn is not entirely to blame but as the top guy he has to take most of the blame. Will he? No. Does he care about what is best for WB? I doubt it. Are there others helping him make the decisions? Of course. Is the final decision his? Yes.

Avatar Image says:

everybody are freaking out now…............and still the movie is delay

Avatar Image says:

I’m sure this has already been said before, but….

The youtube video of Hitler’s Response was HYSTERICAL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnt8_okeRA&feature=related

I love the creativity of the fan base.

Avatar Image says:

Yeah! Just keep pouring out the wrath everyone, that’s the only way to change anything!!!

Avatar Image says:

Kerry Berry you have made it famous now u’ve been quoted on leaky…and the wall street journal of course! lol!

Avatar Image says:

I’m simply voting with my money—and emailing WB each time I skip one of their movies.

I never before paid attention to who produced a movie.

Also, since I am being taught such a fine lesson in delayed gratification (how did I ever get to the age of 62 without their help?), I will skip seeing the HP movie the first week.

I’m not yelling and screaming. No death threats, no allusions to Hitler. I’m just taking my money and running—to movies made by other studios.

Avatar Image says:

Is it just me, or are the hardcore potter fans overreacting about this. Don’t get me wrong, when I first heard, I was angry. I’ve been a potter fan since junior high but in the end, it is just a movie. Also, to those saying that warner brothers in doing this just to make money…..duh! They are a business after all, of course they’re looking to gain more of a profet and they now that no matter what, we’ll go and see it anyway. Another point we all need to consider is that the more time means they can do more to the movie without worrying about making the realease date. So, just hang on people, July isn’t THAT far away!

Avatar Image says:

Beth – “biodredd, The same people that made fun of the Trekkies are the ones making fun of the Potter Fans so please don’t make fun of us.”

I’m not making fun at all Beth. In fact I understand how you feel better then you might think. As I am a fan of both film series. I’m just pointing out that what goes around comes around.

Moving the HP to 2009 is actually a shrewd business move regardless of bonuses, or financial rewards for the studio. With the advent of the WGA strike, a lot of summer weekends are lacking in big budget tent-pole feature franchises because scripts could not be completed on time to get into production for this summer. Some studios were able to compensate for this… others were not able to.

The number of blockbusters available for next summer has dropped dramtically and with the uncertainty of an actors strike still looming, the studios are just a wee bit terrified at the moment. If the actors do finally get their act together and go out on strike, you can count on seeing a lot of film that are currently projected for 2010 – 2012 being pushed back even further. When the actors go on strike, it will not be for a month or so, it will be for much longer and have a much more dramatic impact. Initially it will affect Hollywood and LA, but it has the potential to have a devestating effect on the economy acrosss the US as less films are produced and distributed.

Once the possible strike is settled its going to take a long time to make up that lost ground. TV will also suffer effects that may cause the final nail to be driven into the broadcast television coffin.

There are much bigger issues here then a few upset fans over a release date.

There is much more at stake then HP and Star Trek. It would be nice if folks would actually look at the bigger picture and not just at the pretty books and DVDs on their bookcases.

Avatar Image says:

the laughing man is right we need a better name than potterheads. and this is so unfair! i cant believe that they postponed the movie whats up with that? well i know why it just seems so… uncool g2g

Avatar Image says:

sry but i just had an idea… why dont we all not go to the movie theatre and then buy it when it comes out on dvd… then we could get more for our money. i mean you know that movie the other bolyen girl? it sucked at the theatres but they still sold it, put it in blockbuster, and put it on redbox…

Avatar Image says:

I won’t be able to resist seeing the film in IMAX… but I’ll tell you what I will do, and what I’ll mail to Warner Brothers:

I will not buy the Blu-Ray version of the HBP until it has dropped to the price of the back-catalogue Harry Potter movies: I think the Blu-Ray of, say, PoA can be had for $16.99? I won’t buy the DVD on release day at full price. I will wait until it has been on Blu-Ray for a year.

Postponing their revenue in a crass stock-market play with disregard for the fans will cost them revenue down the line.

Avatar Image says:

darn you warner brothers why must you delay our happiness?

Avatar Image says:

oh one more thing when has anyone ever called us “potterheads” ?

Avatar Image says:

You’re joking, right? I just googled “potterheads” and it came up with 45 pages of links. So that’s 10 per page, there are at least 450 times that the term potterhead has been used by the press, on someone’s blog (most of which looked like they included themselves as a potterhead), etc.

Quite a few went back to 2005, but I think I remember hearing before that, probably shortly after GOF or right after the first movie, which was in the fall of 2001.

So, it’s nothing new.

Avatar Image says:

My heart actually broke when i heard about the delay. I was in a bad mood for three days straight. People thought someone died in my family (that how distraught i looked)

I still am upset about it.. not as much as i officially was.. but upset..

Avatar Image says:

For corn’s sake, it’s a delay, not a cancellation. Those fans who are pitching fits about a movie release date make the lot of us look idiotic. If said fans would direct their energies toward an actual crisis, some real good could be accomplished.

Avatar Image says:

” Matt

Is it just me, or are the hardcore potter fans overreacting about this.”

Well, quite obviously it’s NOT just you, but why do you feel you have to tell other people how to react to things??? Who put you in charge of everyone else?

Avatar Image says:

Hear, Hear susan schmidt!

Avatar Image says:

Susan Schmidt…

I, in no way, meant to dictate how people should react to this; but rather, I was simply voicing my opinion on the matter. I understand that everyone is going to react in different ways and on different levels of frustrations (as with every situation in a negative nature). I, PERSONALLY, think that someone saying that “their heart was ripped out” simply because a movie was delayed eight months is a bit melodramatic.

Avatar Image says:

I’m a Potterhead and proud of it. That’s right! I’m takin’ it back.

Biodredd- I love conspiracy theories. On a day where they’re testing the supercollider I never thought you could scare me with the horrors of actors going on strike and possibly ruining the prestigious realm of broadcast television. If we could only be so lucky. There’s one thing your whole conspiracy theory doesn’t have: how come the Jews aren’t involved? You should be saying they’re the victims or to blame or something if this is a Hollywood conspiracy theory. Now tell me the one about the Clintons being lizards from outer space.

Avatar Image says:

stfu Chelsea and biodredd

Avatar Image says:

“Susan Schmidt…

I, in no way, meant to dictate how people should react to this; but rather, I was simply voicing my opinion on the matter. I understand that everyone is going to react in different ways and on different levels of frustrations (as with every situation in a negative nature). I, PERSONALLY, think that someone saying that “their heart was ripped out” simply because a movie was delayed eight months is a bit melodramatic.”

Oh, I see. So people can feel however they want about it, but they should check with you regarding how they word those feelings.

That’s much better. :)

Personally I find passionate people more interesting. People’s ability to think up the right metaphor may vary, and … it’s just a BLOG. No one here is writing the great American novel. I personally am glad to read such posts, and I prefer them to post like yours, because the passionate person is more likely to complain to WB and to take some specific action, which I personally think is appropriate.

As someone pointed out, Harry Potter didn’t sit around waiting for things to happen. Sometimes his plans were quite impulsive (he was going to find Sirius so he could kill him himself), and sometimes they’re more carefully thought out, and sometimes he had a plan to start with but had no idea how it would play out. But he didn’t sit and wait for things to happen to him. This was true before he knew he was magical and before he knew anything about how his parents had really died.

I think it makes a lot of sense for fans of the book to feel passionately about things and to want to take action. Since they’re human beings, their comments will not match one person’s arbitrary judgment about what they should and shouldn’t feel.

Are you going to take some action to nudge back at WB—skipping a movie, delaying seeing a movie, anything? Or are you just going to decide whose reactions you personally think are too much? The second approach will deny you nothing and allow you to feel superior to others.

Avatar Image says:

I don’t get it.

Why would they even get our hopes up by putting the fricking november date on,if it wasn’t even gonna happen.

Some friends and I will be sneaking in the first day of harry potter,and there’s nothing Alan Horn can do about it this time.

Who else is with us?

WB is getting their rocks off on us having to wait this long.

Made us all really mad. You’ll regret it.

Avatar Image says:

biodredd – When you say what goes around comes around it does sound like you are at least partially blaming Potter Fans for Star Trek being delayed. We can argue until July about WB making more money on HBP by delaying, but we will not know until July. I believe that WB will not make more money by delaying and therefore a lot of people will take a pay cut because they get a cut of the profit. As Jay Toney pointed out merchandisers and investors will also loose money. The Royal Film Performance, an event that raises funds for CTBF (Cinematograph Television Benevolent Fund), had to be cancelled. It is not just Potter Fans that where hurt by the delay.

Avatar Image says:

The WSJ did an article about this? Granted, the backlash could have a considerable impact on it’s box-office gross but highlighting the more extreme lashouts is just tiresome.

Like the guy from Mugglenet, I died a little inside too when I heard the change but I’m NOT going to throw a temper tantrum about it. I’ll see HBP July 2009, fan backlash be damned.

Avatar Image says:

Isn’t it telling that so many different people feel so strongly about Harry Potter? In a world frequently portrayed by media as a dark, dangerous and scary place, everyone everywhere wants their magic! Why? Because the idea of magic makes the world a less scary place, a place where one can carve one’s own destiny.

Avatar Image says:

I would have been more accepting of the new date if it hadn’t been for the fact that WB pretty much told us they’re only moving for money. Then I got pissed. I’m not whining about waiting, I’m whining about greed. Please don’t disrespect the fandom by saying we’re over reacting. This franchise is important to us and the fact that WB fails to realize that and wants to essentially use us is rather upsetting.

Avatar Image says:

“Some friends and I will be sneaking in the first day of harry potter,and there’s nothing Alan Horn can do about it this time.

Who else is with us?”

I think people should do anything they can to to vote with their wallets, and that’s one way to do it. I’m going further. I’m boycotting all WB films until then.

They’ve lost in another way. I was going to get my daughter and son-in-law the game for Christmas, but now they’ve delayed that too … so I’ll be getting them something else for Christmas. When it comes out, he’ll be in graduate school and they won’t have any extra money lying around to buy the game.

The problem with focusing too much on the bottom line, as WB has done, is that not everything that contributes to the bottom line can be easily measure. Their bean counters will never have any way to track the people who manage to sneak into the movie, say by buying a ticket for something else, waiting until JUST before it starts, going out to buy some popcorn, and then returning to the “wrong” theater. They could even have a friend buy a legitimate ticket and save a seat for them.

Other people will undoubtedly be bootlegging the movie, and those people will probably see it before those who do not use bootlegged movies.

They are encouraging people to act in small, illegal ways, and they’re helping people rationalize doing it. They won’t measure that on their bottom line either.

To paraphrase “The King and I,” “I think your Warner Bros will have been a fool!”

Avatar Image says:

Susan Schmidt-

Once again, I feel you misunderstood me. I don’t mean to stifle peoples’ passion about this. I am also angry about the WB’s decision and have written a letter explaining how I feel this move is taking advantage of the fans just to make a higher profit. However, they are a business and it’s expected that they would make choices based on the good of the company instead of the fans of their “products.” In my opinion, I feel that the “wrath of the potterheads” is becoming a little too intense. I’m not talking about you or me who are having debates in a blog; but rather, the ones that have sent death threats to the president of the WB, saying that they will make the WB regret their decision, and other instances similar to that. I feel that is going way too far.

Ann-

I completely agree with you. If they had a legitimate reason for delaying the movie other than greed, than I feel everyone would have been more cooperative.

Avatar Image says:

Leif – Interesting response as I never actually mentioned a conspiracy theory. What I did mention are some of the fact that have NOT been brought to light through this entire debate in here. They are available through Nikki Finke’s blog at Hollywood Dealline Daily where the possibility of an actor’s strike by the SAG is still a real possibility. The possibility of a strike does scare the studios and its scares the networks more.

As for the Jews… they DO control the purse strings in Hollywood, so you may have a point about their level of blame in this matter…. as for the Clintons being lizards from outer space, I’ve been sworn to not discuss that matter further in any forum online until after the elections.

Beth – I don’t possibly see how the Potter fans could have had anything to do with Trek being delayed as the Trek date was moved months before the Potter date was shifted. What I did allude to was that the Potter fans really had a field day with all those uptight Trekkies who got upset when their movie got pushed from Christmas 2008 to May 2009. Now that the Potter film has been moved, the Potter fans are completly outraged. Again, as a fan of both film series and someone who actually understands why these decisions get made, I wasn’t terribly upset about the date change. I’m sad they were both moved, but my life wasn’t shattered to the point of a boycott or some other action.

Folks can come onto these forms and complain and get angry and say all manner of comment… but the truth is simply this (and I’ve told the Trek fans the same thing) every person who says they won’t be in line on opening day is a bold faced liar. They will be there because they need their fix. They don’t want others to spoil the film for them becasue they waited to go. They want to see how the filmmakers envision the book this time around. They will pay their $10 bucks and they will go and then they will come here and either tell everyone how great it was, or what a rip off it was.

omfg – Warms my heart to see that your meager typing skills can be put to use in a forum dedicated to intellectual discussion of a topic and not reduced to the most basic of human instincts. Kudos to you and your eloquent response.

Avatar Image says:

“However, they are a business and it’s expected that they would make choices based on the good of the company instead of the fans of their “products.””

Sorry, but you DID put down those who feel passionately about this. Everyone knows they’re a business. However, most adults have had dealings with businesses, so most of us know that it is not actually necessary to do business as Warner Bros. has chosen to do business.

“I feel that the “wrath of the potterheads” is becoming a little too intense. “

Then I HAVEN’T misunderstood you. You think that you know how everyone should react. it’s not just you, of course. Yours is just the post I chose to respond to.

It’s your right to “understand” what WB did if you choose to. However, I’m no “spring chicken” and have run my own company, and I know for a fact that they did not have to make this choice.

it’s also very clear that it’s going to backfire on them. We have people here talkinga bout sneaking into the movie, pirating the movie, boycotting WB, boycotting the opening, seeing it fewer times, and waiting to buy the DVD. And not every “Potterhead” on the planet is posting here.

Personally I think you are trying to tell other people how to react. I personally am not interested in reading any justification for their choice, and it’s not just about the movie. It’s about how some big businesses view their customers, and I don’t have to like it.

Since we have free speech in this country, I am entitled to voice my irritation at their attempt to manipulate me as a consumer. I will continue to post my intentions for “pushing back,” and I’m glad others are thinking the same way. I think it’s a shame they rolled you but I can’t help that.

Avatar Image says:

biodredd – I do not believe Potter fans had a field day with the Trekkies any more than the Trekkies are having a field day with the Potter fans. You still have not convinced me that WB will make more money on HBP by delaying it until July.

Avatar Image says:

As is your right, Susan Schmidt, and more power to you! Personally, I respect that you feel so strongly about this, and instead of just whining about it, you’ve actually followed it up with some action. I do apologize if I offended anyone by appearing that I “think that I know how everyone should react.” it was not my intention in the least! I was simply using my right of “free speech” to voice my personal opinion on how some are reacting. I do agree with you, they are taking complete advantage of their consumers and for a reason that has no real basis. My argument is that there is such a thing as going too far (i.e. death threats to Alan Horn).

Avatar Image says:

I think we have every reason to be upset….putting the release date for this year and then showing the trailer….after making the fans waiting for so long now all of a sudden WB postponed it, do they really care about their fans? It doesn’t seem like it. The fact is there wouldn’t be any Harry Potter movies if there was no fans in the first place.

Avatar Image says:

I think we have every reason to be upset….putting the release date for this year and then showing the trailer….after making the fans waiting for so long now all of a sudden WB postponed it, do they really care about their fans? It doesn’t seem like it. The fact is there wouldn’t be any Harry Potter movies if there were no fans in the first place.

Avatar Image says:

I think we have every reason to get upset. After putting the date showing us the trailer making all the fans waiting for so long all of a sudden WB decided to delay the movie how wrong is that? To make more money, if they would think they would understand that fans will watch Harry Potter whether it is released in the summer or winter and if there are no fans then there wouldn’t be any Harry Potter movies in the first place to watch…they should think of that. So they can’t just do whatever they want to make more money.

Avatar Image says:

Are you sure Biodredd that every person who says they will not see a movie is a boldfaced liar?

Are you really really sure about that?

Maybe it is better not to make those unwarranted assumptions about people you had never met?

I felt I explained my position in other threads, but your post sure made me post it again.

I am not a liar, and that is why I said that I will see movie, but I will see it much later than when it will finally hit the screens. Believe me, I do not need my movie fix that badly.

Had it been a book, sure I would have much more trouble waiting.

Movies? I only saw OOP on the first day and only because my friend well, insisted very strongly.

Every other movie, I saw almost a month later. Trust me, I can do the same with HBP.

But I still think that WB lost something with me ignoring them even if temporarily, because after a month I saw all other movies two three times and bought DVD.

About the article – I find extreme forms of protest to be unacceptable for me, but I am not going to judge other people’s choice.

It is not a cause for me, it is just a chance to make a point and maybe, maybe WB will hear it.

Personally I think they heard loud and clear already.

As I stated before, I am not thinking that they will move the movie up or anything like that and of course they are business, DUH.

But personally I find the situation when business wants to cater ONLY to their shareholders instead of treating their customers well too, how to put it, wrong. If people think that is perfectly acceptable, that is fine, I well, don’t.

I want to say something about it and again, I am not naive, it will likely not work, but something tells me that it just may work in a sense that WB may just think a little harder if they decide to push seventh movie up.

I am not sending howlers, I am just as somebody said voting with my money.

I love movies, but so far, guess what? WB did not see a cent of my money spent on their movies since they made that announcement.

I am not making unrealistic promises, I am not saying that I will boycott TV chanell, or that I won’t buy a DVD, I will at the end, but I chose to do what I can just to make this point.

All that I am asking is for my choice not to be mocked.

Alla

Avatar Image says:

Beth – The only convincing you should need comes from the boxoffice figures from every major Hollywood studio. Films released from thanksgiving thru Christmas do make a good deal of money. Films released during the summer make more. The numbers don’t lie. It’s not my job to convince you of anything. The facts speak for themselves.

Nusrat – Again, you seem to be under the impression that WB makes Harry Potter films strictly for Harry Potter fans and that they have moved the release date as some sort of personal outrage. Wb is not in business to please the fans. they are in business to make movies for EVERYONE. If WB counted on strictly the fans of the books to ensure their box office success, the films would have failed on every level and you wouldn’t see any others. Trek fans make the same mistake. They believe that the alone are responsible for Trek at the boxoffice. That’s simply not the case and it never will be.

WB makes films to make money. Not to please fans. They have to answer to share holders and finance companies. If those people are not pleased before all others, there would be no WB and no HP films. Fans help make the boxoffice go up, but its the non-fans who want to check ouot a cool movie that make the boxoffice go higher and ensure more films get made.

Alla – You may be the rare exception to my earlier statement and I can concede that… but generally people who make bold claims of boycotts or not purchasing a product or service rarely follow through with it. Their desire to do the opposite is much stronger. Is Wb gonna really suffer if 10,000 people don’t go see HP on opening day? Nope, not one bit. Because there will be 10,000 others who will go see it on a whim. Now if every HP fan really truly promised to not see the film during the first two weeks after it opened… yes, you might have an impact on WB’s bottom line, but the liklihood of anyone being able to organize that kind of boycott let alone make sure that everyone kept their word and didn’t go see it for two weeks well that’s an entirely different matter.

Being that this country (US) is all about your freedom to choose what you do with your hard earned cash I’m behind that 100%. Just remember this… eventually you will buy that DVD, or watch that movie somewhere whether its HBO, pay per view or something else. In the end, WB still gets that money. Granted it may not be as much as if you had seen the film in a cinema, but they will still get it. And all that means is that in spite of your determination, WB still wins. For every person like you that truly choses to not go see the film, ther will be ten others to take your place in line.

Personally, regardless of the reasons why Paramount or Warner Bros moved their big films to summer release dates I’ll be in line on opening day. I’ll enjoy the entertainment that has been provided and I’ll be discussing them with my friends online or in a restaurant over coffee when the shows have ended. I’m not going to let the mere shifting of a release date turn my life into this chaotic hell of indecision or protests. Life is too short for me to get all wound up.

Disclaimer – These are strictly my opinions. I take full responsibility for them and if anyone was offended I apologize for that, but don’t expect me to go quietly into the night. I’ll have more opinions in the future and I’m not afraid to share them.

Avatar Image says:

Alla – BTW, I wanted to say that I DO believe you are not one of those liars. You express yourself quite clearly and make YOUR points well. Some part of me hopes that you really do have an impact on WB. It would be nice, for a change, to see a large media company actually support the fans and do the right thing for them instead of their stock holders and accountants. I wish you great success in your protest.

Avatar Image says:

u should never mess with a Harry Potter FAN!!!

Avatar Image says:

Heee, Biodredd, thank you. I do not think I express myself that well, since even though I live in the US for several years now, English is my second language but I do try :-)

I mean, really it is just what you said – a project, a little side project that I choose to participate in.

As an aside, I know you did not say anything about it, but I keep reading the posts about how nice would that have been if people who decided to participate in boycott would chanell their energy in something more positive and I can’t stop myself from shaking my head.

Do people seriously think that if adult decides to do this small thing, that would occupy my free time completely or something?

Two very worthy charities get money from me on very regular basis, not a huge sum, but every bit counts, isn’t it, especially if one does it regularly.

How again trying to make a point to the studio means that people who decided to do it, do nothing else with their lives?

And Biodredd, I guess we just have to agree to disagree, I totally know and agree that a lot of people will show up on the first day and I completely respect that, as I said, I would not be able to wait an extra day for the book, but I guess I just believe that a lot of people are like me and determined enough to make the point.

Again, trust me, it will not upset me, if it will not work, it just will be nice if it will.

As to WB eventually getting my money – sure, but I think opening weeks showing will matter to show that movie underperformed AND while I cannot be completely positive, I will TRY to wait for DVD, so they may not even get anything from me in the theater ( not sure, I do want to see it once on a big screen, so we shall see about that).

And somebody mentioned that when movie is on for several weeks, studios will share more and more of the profits with local theaters, if that is true, I have no idea if it is, I will be even more pleased, I will be more than happy to support local theater.

Alla

Avatar Image says:

Alla – When it comes to movies and the boxofice take, I am an expert (grin). I managed a multi-screen theater for nine years before moving on to consulting work (not that any of that matters in this discussion).

When a theater agrees to play a film in their location they guarantee a certain number of seats per show, a certain number of shows per day in order to get the film into the theater. They also guarentee the number of weeks they will show this film.

The studio starts off by allowing the theater 10% of the boxoffice take. The studio gets 90%. Afte about three weeks, the percentages will change to 80% vs 20% and so on. Conceivably, if the film plays long enough (for the sake of this discussion) let’s say ten weeks, the theater may split the boxoffice 50/50. If the film plays longer then 16 weeks, the theater begins to make more money at the boxofice then the studio does. Unfortuntely, by this time, the movie is now only showing on one screen three or four times a day instead of four screens 20 times a day.

Local movie theaters make all their profits at the concession stands where all products are marked up over 400%. Without this mark-up most theaters couldn’t stay in business.

They also supplement this income with small in-house video arcades and candy machines. Some theaters now also have vending machines that dispense bottled water, snack foods and candies not traditionally sold at the concession stand.

With the advent of digital projection systems its now also possible for them to make money off renting auditoriums for events like the Super Bowl, satelite fed rock concerts and more. And then lets not forget about all the advertising you see before the preview start. All these revenue streams allow the theater to keep their doors open.

Without these options, we’d have a lot tougher time seeing the films we want to see in the theaters we want to see them in. I’m grateful to live in a city where over half the screens are now projecting films digitally. Not one piece of film exists in these theaters anymore. This eliminates films breaking during a show, bad splices from putting the individual reels together and more.

But enough about movie theaters.

You mentioned my not addressing a point from your earlier post… so I guess I will address it now. :) I didn’t address it earlier because its just gonna be me tooting my own horn.

I guess I personally don’t get too upset about things like release dates being moved because there are so many worthwhile things out there to keep me occupied when I am not in front of the computer screen. I agree that there a lot of worth while projects out there that could use the attention of a dedicated group of fans who have all this energy to burn. Sure, we can all sit at home and discuss why we hate WB for delaying the release of a film we are all eager to see, but so far… I don’t see where any relief has come to anyone by venting on the fine people who populate this site.

There are homeless shelters looking for people to volunteer to hand out meals… there are shelters for abused women that could use help with various things that they don’t have the skilled people to handle… suicide prevention hotlines are always looking for volunteers to staff their phones… youth shelter need mentors for abused children… and the list goes on and on. I fill my time as part of an emergency response team in the event of a local disaster… I also volunteer time to the local National Weather Service office during severe weather, providing reports on local conditions that are helpful in predicting if a storm is getting stronger or weakening. I just picked up a new project creating a database for a local Boy Scout troop website… all this is done as a volunteer. Who has time to worry about a release date when there are so many other organizations out there who could use a hand.

In spite of these civic responsibilities, I still find time to work a job and be social with my friends. Life is hectic this way but its good.

I am not a perfect person. Never claimed to be. I’m also not going to look down on anyone else because they choose not to put their energies into helping out local organizations. Its an individual choice. Maybe they are shy… maybe they have three kids to raise (a full time job in itself), or perhaps they just don’t know how to get involvd in somethig like this. Whatever the reason its their choice. I’m not going to hang them out to dry.

All I’m saying is that there are creative way to channel this energy into something positive.

Alla, English may be your second language, but you convey your feelings as if you have been speaking it your whole life. I was born and raised here and sometimes I feel like its my second language. No one has figured out what my first language is yet.

Avatar Image says:

the movie was going to be my 18th birthday celebration! my 17th birthday sucked so bad last year because i got into a car accident and i was counting on this movie to make my impending legal adulthood awesome. now i’m not looking forward to my birthday at all. thanks for crushing my dreams WB!

Avatar Image says:

Thanks Biodredd for the information about how movie theaters work.

No, when I said that you did not say it, I was not asking you to address it, you know? It was me just venturing on a side rambling.

My point was that I do not get people saying who has time to worry about movie delay as if that is going to occupy so much of your time, you know?

I mean, again maybe for some people it does occupy lots of their time, I have no idea, for me, it occupy, well, nothing.

In fact since I am skipping WB movies, it FREES up some of my time, you know?

What I was saying is that I find it demeaning and patronising and simply incorrect to say ( and again I am not saying that you said it, I am just reacting to some earlier replies) that if fan chooses to do something about the delay, to boycott or whatever, that means that this person does nothing else with their free time.

Alla

Avatar Image says:

“My argument is that there is such a thing as going too far (i.e. death threats to Alan Horn).”

I agree with you, but … first of all it wasn’t much of a death threat, but (IMO) more importantly, that’s one person out of millions. Why focus on that one person? “I didn’t go see ‘Dark Knight’” won’t make any headlines, but that’s the kind of thing most people are doing. And, i think WB knows that. They know that the great majority of people aren’t sending death threats.

To other people, WB actually DOES exist to please fans. If people don’t want to go to their movies … they won’t make any money. I went to their website and noticed a pattern. They’re doing a LOT of sequels. Of couse, the HP movies were designed to be “sequels” of a sort, but with an over-arching structure that Rowling put in from the very beginning. A lot of their sequels sound just plain stupid, frankly, and most sequels aren’t nearly as good as the first movie was.

I think they have lost cinematic courage, and given some of the movies they have “in the pipeline,” they may well feel they have to maximize their profits on the HP movies.

Unfortunately, I think it’s going to blow up in their faces. Frankly, I hope so.

As for this: “I guess I personally don’t get too upset about things like release dates being moved because there are so many worthwhile things out there to keep me occupied when I am not in front of the computer screen … “

Don’t you think it’s a little specious to think that if someone is bothered by Warner Bros. decision on the HP movie they have no social conscience? I do a lot of volunteer work, including teaching illiterate adults to read. In fact I got interested in the HP movies to begin with because the first book managed to get a fifth grader of mine reading who, until that time (in spite of intensive help) had not managed to learn to read. He listened to the book on tape and read along … and stopped the tape and backed up when he missed a word. He wanted to be able to look his classmates in the eye and say honestly that he had read it. Because of the first HP book he went from a mid first-grade reading level to mid-third in one year.

Just because we’re thinking about the HP movie does not mean that’s all we think about.

@@

Avatar Image says:

Susan – I guess I wan’t thinking clearly when I made that generalization. It wasn’t my intention to say or imply that people were not doing worthwhile things. If it came off that way, my apologies. People do the things they want to do… or the things they have time to do.

Demeaning the charitible activites of others was not my intent. While I did express the thought it might be nice if some of this energy were put into something worthwhile, it wasn’t meant to portray that no one does anything worthwhile.

Avatar Image says:

Susan -

“To other people, WB actually DOES exist to please fans. If people don’t want to go to their movies … they won’t make any money. I went to their website and noticed a pattern. They’re doing a LOT of sequels. Of couse, the HP movies were designed to be “sequels” of a sort, but with an over-arching structure that Rowling put in from the very beginning. A lot of their sequels sound just plain stupid, frankly, and most sequels aren’t nearly as good as the first movie was.”

No they do not exist to please fans. If you honestly believe this then you have no idea what their business is all about. WB is in busines to make money. They do this by releasing a variety of films. If their goal in business was to simply please fans, they would be proucing nothing but Harry Potter films. They would tell stories that took place outside the materials in the books and maximize their leverage in the franchise and look to produce other programs as well perhaps detailing the lives of other students through a tv series about other students at Hogwart’s that had nothing to do with the book series.

WB makes dramas, science ficition love stories, comedies and more becasue they are in the entertainment business.

The arguement that they are producing a bunch of sequels or remakes hold no water. Ever studio has a large number of remakes or sequels on their schedule. Warner Bros is not unique in that regard. Paramaount has them, MGM/UA has them, Sony has them…. yadda, yadda, yadda.

Paramount has Transformers 2 coming out next summer (sequel), oh and Iron-Man 2 is in pre-production now… Sony just annoced that Sam Ramai and Toby MacGuire will be back for Spider-Man 4 (sequel)... November sees the release of another James Bond film, Quantum of Solace with the next one already being put into pre-production for two years later. There is yet another Madagascar film being made… Toy Story 3 from Pixar/Disney… Shall I go on?

Sequels have been a part of the Hollywood landscape since Beneath the Planet of the Apes came out from 20th Century Fox back in the late 60s. They were not as frequent as they are now… sequels were generally made because the producers really had a series of stories thought out. Sequels nowadays are a way to make a quick buck if the first film has any reasonible success at the boxoffice. Visit the other studio websites… you’ll see WB is not the only money grubbing sequel mongering studio in existence. They all do it. It’s an unfair characterization that you painted this time. Totally out of line. Make the argument fairly or don’t make it at all.

Avatar Image says:

BIodredd, I am not sure how the fact that other studios make sequels as well equals the idea that WB does not exist to please fans.

Now, I cannot speak for Susan, but I never said that WB exists to please only fans of one product or even that they exist ONLY to please fans of many different products.

And again, they are in the business to make money. I do not see anybody disputing that. I believe every adult is aware of that proposition.

What I am saying is that to me, it is wrong when corporation from whom I am buying product, does not treat me well, as I perceive it.

If you are okay with how they treat their customers, I understand, I am, well, not.

You may tell me that this treatment of customers is a fact of life and I will tell you, no, it is not. As somebody already mentioned it is enough to look how LOTR fans were treated by the studio.

So basically what I am trying to say is that I am aware that pleasing fans of HP is not WB priority, what I am saying is that it should be a priority at least of the same rank as catering to their shareholders, and I am not even talking about HP fans only, I am talking about fans of any movie they make, really.

I think so for a very simple reason – my money also contributes to their success and to their humongous income and I really do not mind that, as long as I am treated nicely that is.

Why exactly shareholders should be catered to and not customers? And the answer because they are in the business to make money is just not good enough for me, because customers are very important reason they can make those money in the first place as well.

Alla

Avatar Image says:

The word that the HBP movie is delayed broke the spell. I used to check the fansites twice daily for news and info. Now I get around to it whenever. OotP was half a movie, now a nine month delay for HBP and who is to say that they won’t delay it again if “opportunity appears”. I don’t care what you do with the last three movies, but I recommend Red Hot Sauce for a lubricant and to remind the “Powers that be” of their dastardly deed! I will not waste any money on the remaining movies or DVDs. BOYCOT

Avatar Image says:

Alla -

Just so we can be clear on this… how do you feel that WB should be treating the fans of thier Harry Potter product? It would be nice for someone to actually spell out exactly what they would like to see WB do in terms of how they treat their fans. No one has actually been clear on this.

Warner Bros DID move the date and they were quite honest about why they did it. To maximize the gross at the boxoffice. What company readily admits to doing something for that reason?

For example, I don’t see people getting upset that a barrel of oil is currently going for $104 dollars a barrel and we are paying $3.96 at the gas pump. The last time oil was going for $104 a barrel we were all paying $3.05 per gallon. Obviously the gas companies are making a huge profit at this point in time, but there is no real outrage for that because (IMO) gas is a neccessity of life and a movie is not. That’s a difference of .90 cents a gallon! For most people that almost $15 more to fill up their up their tank! But I don’t see boycotts of gas stations. All the gas companies say is that its not their fault.

At least WB was willing to take it on the chin and be honest about why the film’s launch was moved.

Alla, you are right about WB should be just as concerned about pleasing their fans as they are the stockholders. The only real difference between the fans and the stock holders is that fans contribute to the bottom line of WB’s income after the film is made. The shareholders and investment bankers who put up the money have to be made happy before the release because of the substantial financial risk they took in buying stock options with the studio and loaning money to the studio to make the picture in the first place.

Profits made from Harry Potter films don’t go back into a Harry Potter account and sit there waiting for the next film to be made, they are invested in new equipment, film technologies, and other films. At the same time, while the profits from a Harry Potter film are substantial, they are also used to offset the failure of other films that didn’t make the amount of money that the studio thought they would.

What all of this really means is that the accoutants and publicity people are juggling 50 different balls in the air. Some are film budgets, some are investments in new technologies, some are to promote new talent at the studio and the list goes on and on.

Don’t even get me started on how Hollywood does their bookkeeping where a movie or series that made a profit actually shows a loss due to those profits being syphoned off to offset real losses. Its just disguisting that Jack Klugman has not seen a penny from the TV series Quincy which was a wild success ratings wise and financially. But the ledgers at the studio show the series as having generated a huge loss for the studio which is not true by any stretch of the imagination.

Avatar Image says:

Melissa is right. We do feed off each other. And it’s really really fun. i would stop short of hate mail or death threats, but hey, that’s me. Also I would say I don’t so much “live” in a fantasy world as much as I visit one when time allows.

Avatar Image says:

biodredd – “Beth – The only convincing you should need comes from the box-office figures from every major Hollywood studio. Films released from thanksgiving thru Christmas do make a good deal of money. Films released during the summer make more. The numbers don’t lie. It’s not my job to convince you of anything. The facts speak for themselves.”

Yes the numbers do not lie. The number one movie at the box-office is Titanic released Dec. 12, 1997. As far as Harry Potter goes here are the numbers according to http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross in USA box office dollars the number before each movie is its rank. 22, Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone, $317,557,891, 11/16/2001 31, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, $292,000,866, 07/11/2007 34, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, $289,994,397, 11/18/2005 39, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, $261,970,615, 11/15/2002 48, Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, $249,358,727, 06/04/2004 I do not believe any of the movies would have done better if they had been released in the summer. My personal favorite is Prisoner of Azkaban and it took in the least at the box office. If the Deathly Hollows book had not been coming out the same month as OOTP movie I do not believe it would be number 2 in the series. Like I said before we will not know until July.

Horn said Warner Bros.’ best strategy was to move “Half-Blood Prince” to July, where it would perfectly fill the gap for a major tent pole release for mid-summer. He never said that HBP will make more money but that WB will make more money in 2009 by releasing HBP in July 2009. WB has made enough money for 2008 to ensure Horn and his cronies their bonus for 2008. HBP will help him get his bonus for 2009 even if it makes less money than it would have with a Nov. 2008 release.

Avatar Image says:

biodredd – I do not know where you live but in the Midwest people are outraged by the price of gas. Sales have decreased to the point that road projects paid for by gas taxes have run out of money and will have to be halted if the federal government does not lend assistance.

Avatar Image says:

Beth -

I concede your point as far as Titanic goes… it is, of course, the exception to the rule.

The Potter film figures are impressive and I’m glad you posted them… it makes me reconsider my position just a bit… there are still blockbusters that are relesed at Christmas that would have done far better during the summer. Thankgiving to Christmas is a traditional family vacation time to get out of the cold and snow (at least that was the reasoning as to why summer films faired better when I was managing a movie theater). I concede that thinking may have possibly have changed.

On the gas issue… people are expressing some outrage at the price of gas… but there have been no large scale protests that would convey this to the oil companies that I am aware of. My location is West Michigan where we have some of the highest prices in the Midwest in spite of being closer to a refinery then a lot of other folks in the Midwest. Other then the occasional rant on the 6 o’clock news, there has barely been a stir about it.

Thanks for participating in this discusion. Your viewpoints and information have given me something new to think about.

Avatar Image says:

“Demeaning the charitible activites of others was not my intent. While I did express the thought it might be nice if some of this energy were put into something worthwhile, it wasn’t meant to portray that no one does anything worthwhile.”

But it IS what you have said. Even though now you apparently acknowledge that people who are bothered by Warner Bros. decision may have other things going on in their lives, you still think they should “do soething else with their time,” something that you judge more worthwhile.

You are STILL negatively judging anyone who does not agree with you, sorry. And, you’re spending a lot of time arguing with total strangers when you aren’t bothered by the HP decision. By default, that means you’re bothered by the posters.

Maybe it’s you who should find something more productive to do? Sorry, but it does seem that you want to tell other peopld what to do, and in several ways. We are all entitled to our opinions, and you HAVE judged all those bothered by the HP decision based on an extreme example from the Wall St. Journal article. You may be backing away from that—but only a little bit.

Avatar Image says:

“The arguement that they are producing a bunch of sequels or remakes hold no water.”

I’m sorry but you missed my point. I said the HP movies are NOT sequels but that Warner Bros. is making a lot of sequels—to movies that weren’t that great to begin with. I said that they have lost cinematic courage. They only want to do what is safe and guaranteed profitable.

Looking at some of the movies they have “in the pipeline,” they NEED the insurance of having a blockbuster next summer. However, if I can exert any influence over others, that won’t happen.

Avatar Image says:

“No they do not exist to please fans. If you honestly believe this then you have no idea what their business is all about. “

You’re wrong, I’m right. ;) They DO exist to please movie fans. If they don’t please their customers, their movies bomb. In fact, it happens all the time.

“No they do not exist to please fans. If you honestly believe this then you have no idea what their business is all about. “

You’re wrong; I’m right. They’re making a whole BUNCH of movies. They’re following formulas, trying to capitalize on the popularity of older movies. Most sequels are not as good as the first one. All studios make some sequels—and sometime it’s even a good idea … but IMO Warner Bros. is going too far down that road.

I also suspect that the executives for the most part may have not read the HP books. Some of THEM may see the HP movies as “sequels.”

But I agree with you—I am not opposed to profit. I am a capitalist, through and through, but it does not pay to treat your customers (movie fans in this case) badly. If you do treat a customer badly it makes to apologize and to try to set things right. Otherwise you come off as arrogant, which is exactly how WB looks right now.

Avatar Image says:

Susan -

You make me smile.

“While I did express the thought it might be nice if some of this energy were put into something worthwhile, it wasn’t meant to portray that no one does anything worthwhile.”

You are right. That is exactly what I did regardless of my intent. My humble apologies.

“I’m sorry but you missed my point. I said the HP movies are NOT sequels but that Warner Bros. is making a lot of sequels—to movies that weren’t that great to begin with.”

That is correct. They do have a lot of lousy sequel in the pipeline. I won’t belabor that point with you. My point was that this not a problem that strictly plagues WB. My point was that is plagues all the studios. They all have a number of crappy remakes and sequels in the pipeline that are not deserving of the time, money or effort. But then that’s Hollywood, for every seven rotten films one gems emerges. It seems like a waste of money to me, but then I’m not a studio head.

“You’re wrong, I’m right. ;) ” – Okay, but just this one time. :)

In what may be GOOD news… Holly wood may be moving out of the “let’s remake everything” phase. According to a Nikki Finke (LA Times columnist) the studios may finally be realizing the people don’t want to see their classic films remade.

I was agast (personally) when I heard they were remaking The Day The Earth Stood Still and that Gort might not even appear. Apparently that’s changed. Gort will appear. YAY! Its also disturbing to see a classic like Poltergeist being shuffled into the remake line when its not neccessary.

Heaven forbid what my reaction may be if they ever announce a remake of FORBIDDEN PLANET (IMO) one of the finest SF films to grace a movie screen.

I wonder how we’ll all feel in 30 years when someone says they want to remake the HP series of films when remakes are all the craze again.

Avatar Image says:

I’m as upset as the next fan because my partner and I were both realllllllly looking forward to seeing Half-Blood Prince. My partner already scheduled a day off from work so we could go to the midnight premier so, yes, we’re upset about WB’s decision, and it’s a bit like salt in the wound to know that the only reason they delayed it was so they can cash in on the fact that kids are out of school during summer and can go see it 10 in one week instead of 5. cha-ching! As one of the adult fans, I’m slammed with work no matter what time of year they release it but, hey, that’s what vacation days are for!

I’m glad to hear that WB’s taking some heat and I agree with earlier posts that the fact that WB set a fall date, then pulled the rug out from under us at the last minute, made it worse, but I agree that some folks may be taking the news just a wee bit too hard. It’s business and the economy sucks, so WB wants to cash in one of the few movies they know will earn big bucks no matter what. What can you do??

Avatar Image says:

“What can you do??”

Boycott or delay seeing other Warner Bros. movies (and email them each time you do:

http://www.warnerbros.com/main/help/customer_service.html

Email Warner Bros. and list several people you were going to give the game to for Christmas

Decide to delay seeing the HP movie for the first weekend, or one week, or two weeks. Email Warner Bros. and tell them of your intention to do so.

Enlist other people to join you in these actions.

Actions I don’t condone but understand completely (and heard about here)

Buy a ticket for a non-Warner Bros. movie. Have a friend buy one and save you a seat. Go into the other movie. Right before the HP movie is about to start, go buy some popcorn and return to the HP theater instead of the first one.

See a pirated copy.

Avatar Image says:

If you really want to hurt WB. Get them where it hurts, in the record books and the pockets. If every Harry Potter fan waited to watch Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince just one week after the movie opens, they won’t get in the record books the way they want.

Avatar Image says:

I can’t believe the stupidity of some people. I, for one, found the Hitler video COMPLETELY AND ABSOLUTELY OFFENSIVE!! . My great-grandparents were mistaken for Jews whilst they were visiting Germany around the time of the Holocaust. Only my great-grandfather made it out alive. My great-grandmother died during her captivity at Auschwitz, and it was all because of HITLER! The person who created that Hitler video just because of a movie is completely heartless, stupid and inconsiderate. Do they know HOW many jews and other innocent people died during the Holocaust? Have they no shame? Using an image of Hitler, for me, is just as offensive as the use of a swastika. I, along with countless others, have had to live with the pain of losing a loved one or loved ones during the Holocaust. For someone to use the image of a person who ordered the killing of so many people is inexcusable and despicable! I suggest that person go visit the concentration camp in Auschwitz. That should teach them to have some respect.

As for the Harry Potter film I simply don’t care anymore. Sure, I may have been really angry and upset with the WB when it was first announced, but I’m totally over it now. There are far more important things in the world to think about. Harry Potter is just a film, it’s not a life or death situation. Besides, I don’t care if they delayed the film. Just as long as they don’t cancel Gossip Girl. Harry Potter I can live without. Gossip Girl I CANNOT!!!

Avatar Image says:

If people want to use someone in a video to express their anger at the relase date, why not Bush? That would be much LESS offensive.

Write a Reply or Comment

Finding Hogwarts

The Leaky Cauldron is not associated with J.K. Rowling, Warner Bros., or any of the individuals or companies associated with producing and publishing Harry Potter books and films.