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I agree with Fil, honestly, no one can tell anyone they can or cannot say something about anyone in this discussion board, unless they threaten them or use swear words. If I was not allowed to say what I have said, the moderators of this page would refrain me from speaking further.

Frankly Bella, you simply repeated what I was basing my point on, that people have the right to their opinions even when you disagree with them. You may see what people have said as “bashing” Yates, and some people have been crude, on both sides of it actually, and a lot of people have indeed bahaved quite childishly, by SCREAMING IN CAPS LOCK at the rest of us about how angry they are.

I am an adult, who writes with dignity, and who also happens to feel that I disliked a movie. I want to talk about it with people on here, whether they agree with me or not. This is a forum where people exchange ideas, and honestly if it were a forum where everyone agreed it would be quite dull.

People are allowed to praise or bash, like or dislike, and express these opinions and feelings about this matter. It does however difficult the matter when people start stomping their feel like a 4 year old screaming at you to “stop it! stop it! stop it!” like we’re saying mean things about their daddy! Those people (and in fact yourself Bella) have become a little too involved in doing exactly what you accuse the other side of, trying to force your opinion down the other side’s throats.

I cannot tell you not to speak your mind on this forum, no matter what opinion you have, and you likewise have no right to tell me because my opinion counters yours that I am bashing someone and thus have no rights. Those are not the rules of the real world, nor are they the rules of the online world either.

Beckett, I’m here to offer some more love and my thanks for being the voice of reason. Honestly, yesterday I was bemoaning the lack of reasoned discussion, about another topic, and I found it so refreshing to hear your point of view, which is positive, helpful, reasonable, truthful and calm. Reasoned discussion does exist! Sure, everyone has a right to an opinion, but it need not be expressed with such sneering hatefulness.

I’m so grateful for these books, the author, the movies and the great job everyone does in keeping the spirit of Harry alive. I love it.

Oh no. Not again….

excuse me but I have included myself in saying that I am a part of this childish stuff – maybe I didnt admit it in my last post but I have plenty of times. I am not trying to lecture anyone or sway anyone into believing one side or another, I just think it is rediculous to sit and bicker back and forth back and forth , acting conceitedly about your thoughts- yes I know alot of people on hear are children at heart – I am one of them- I highly doubt there are children on here , that is nothing but an excuse to agrue it sounds like. Besides the Harry Potter series is no longer considered childrens fantasy. I am done now – I have no more to say about this, I myself am talking to a wall.- so it seems. thanks those who understand my real point.

What I ment was that mr. Yates has a different style of film making then the other directors so far. Sorry David Y., I just liked the old style better.

Sorry. I wasn’t talking about the previous person’s comment I just was saying I wasn’t used to yates lingo.

Yates all the way!! I’m not going to get my hopes up too much because this isn’t really a secure statement. It hasn’t been confirmed by Warner Bros. so I’m not going to believe it too much. But if the cast knows that Yates is going to do it then it would explain why Dan seemed so upset when the press asked him about Speilberg. Dan is a very big fan of Yates, so are all the actors, which I think is the most awesome thing about Yates. He gets along with the Crew and the Cast so well.

I don’t care one jot if people want to say they loved PoA and/or Cuaron, and disliked OotP and/or Yates. OF COURSE everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No, what I think is ridiculous is the extremism of some of these comments (and in fairness, it’s been on both sides… though I frankly think it’s been much more evident on the pro-Cuaron side than the other). The praise of Cuaron was being taken to the point of groveling, toe-licking hero worship, while the criticism of Yates was being taken to the point of vilification. This was especially ironic to me in view of the fact that one of the major complaints of the pro-Cuaron folks against Yates (namely, that he deviated too much from the book) is also an accusation that could be leveled against Cuaron ten-fold.

A little more fairness and moderation is what I’d like to see. That’s all I’m saying.

Monica, you got something against foot fetish?

LOL!!!

“toe-licking hero worship” Hwahahahaha!

LOL! Nothing at all against foot fetishes, Felipe! Just unreasonable extremism. ;)

You have a good point beckett, I do think Jo would prefer if the director was someone who the actors have worked with once at least. It brings some comfort onto the sets and also, the director would know the strengths and weaknesses of every actor and extract the best performances out of them. But somehow, I really can’t see Columbus directing such a dark film. The first two were still kiddy and cute, but this one is real war zone. I had no real problem with OotP maybe the length, which I felt was really short, considering the size of the book, but it was one of the best movies in the series after PoA (for me). But yeah, having said that, Yates was a new director at the time of OotP, let’s just wat for HBP to come out, because I think having become more familiar with the actors and characters, he’ll do better with HBP…

NO!!! leave my harry alone!!!! go bother some other literary work!

we got rumors of cuaron, del torro, and spielberg, and i started getting so excited abut this movie. but if yates comes back again, i think i’ll cry.

I’ve loved all the movies so far and have been disappointed with some things in all of them, but the one I re-watch the most is OotP. It is a wonderfully filmed and acted movie and IMO keeps almost everything it needs to keep in (and most of what is not there can easily be added to HBP now that they have the end of the story; people need to remember that it was made before we knew where the story was taking us). I do find it funny those who complain about the script for it, though. I re-read OotP a week or so back and having seen the movie countless times now I can tell you that a good deal of the dialogue is word for word from the book.

I will be really happy if Yates does DH; he is the director I most like the style of in the HP franchise so far. I think he did an awesome job with the actors and the filming and I can’t wait to see HBP. But if we get one of the old directors I’m Ok with that too. I just hope we don’t get someone completely new.

What it really comes down to is not the fact that you can’t express your opinion. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t feel that expressing your opinion was a crime. Heck, I wouldn’t be in the film business if I felt expressing your opinion wasn’t allowed. That’s what the entire business is about. The main point is that you can’t simply look at the film as something made by JKR, the one writer, Yates, a single editor and the actors. Its simply illogical. You have to look at every single part and respect them. To make a statement that we shouldn’t respect every section and give them credit, quite frankly makes me ill. Each and every member of those crews puts their entire beings into those films. The point I was trying to make was that despite what you may or may not have thought about any of the last five films, whether you loved them all or disliked parts of them, you have to remember that it isn’t just a handful of people, it’s a huge enormous gigantic amount of people, that only keeps growing with every film.

Kloves wrote the script, yes. He did. I’ll give him that. But that doesn’t mean he is the only person who worked on it. It’s just the bottom line. It’s the way the business works. I’m working on a script right now and I know the second I submit it to any company, if I’m lucky enough for it to be picked up, it’ll be picked apart and chewed up by a bunch of other staff writers who, will keep my work in tact but change bits and pieces of it. They are technically yes, proofers, fact checkers, what ever you’d like to call them. But they also sit there with the script for days and may change lines, full paragraphs of dialogue, etc. Kloves gets the final say, but it does get passed around. With a franchise like HP, its just a lot more hush hush.

Editing is also not a one man gig. With the way technology is now, there are several different sub categories for editing. I was in a meeting a few months ago and informed that I need to “pick a subcategory to focus on” when going after jobs because there are so many.

The point I was trying to make was that we need to look at the film in its entirety, not as just a work that David Yates is doing. David Yates puts a lot into it, yes. I’m not denying that. He brings on his own crew, yes. But they are skilled, they know what they are doing.

I’m fine with people expressing their opinions. Rock on with that. Heck I express mine. But just remember that you are attacking someone’s work and while trying to express your opinion please do so respectfully. If it would upset you that David Yates would be coming back to direct Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, that’s cool. I wouldn’t be thrilled if say…Mel Gibson directed it (I just picked a random director that I don’t particularly like his style, this is NOT a rumor). Just make your opinion heard in a non threatening, not so angry way, because it’s obviously upsetting other people. We can all strive for that. That’s how good debates are made. Not with people screaming at each other, but with good points made by either side.

So rock out with the opinions, just keep them civil and every one will be chill.

I agree with beckett. We can all have different opinions but so long as we repect each other we’ll all have a good time. I often hope that people who make these movies don’t read these boards because if it were me I’d be devastated by some of the things that are said. Now there are parts of all the movies that I don’t like (for example the long dragon scene in GoF) but I’m not about to say that the whole movie is a disaster based on one scene I don’t like. I prefer OotP to the others, but I enjoy them all. I think overall we’ve been really lucky with how the series has been handled by WB, and I’m sure that no matter what they choose for the last one it will be just as good as the rest.

I really hope he comes back for DH!

noooooo… for the love of god …. noooooooooo

hmmm…

come to think of it… its ok with me… maybe i overeated a bit :)

YES!!! bring it on David Yates!

I’m sure I heard in the past, that Kloves works on set, while filming is going on. So he’s there to do any changes with the director, producer etc. Which was a reason why he didn’t do OotP. He wanted a break, to do his own thing.

It’s kind of funny. Different people give the same critisism to different movies. POA, GOF and OOTP have all been accused of bad plotting, a chopt up feel, bad characterisations and bad directing. (I wonder who is right?)

I’m changed my mind, I’m going to give my opinion too.

Columbus: The story didn’t flow well, he had no visual style, the camarawork was boring, the acting wasn’t allways that good. I do think he created a stable foundation for the future installments. They shouldn’t bring him back, because it would be a step backwards.

Newell: Chopped up feel, sometimes bad characterisations (example: dumbledore), music not so good (that’s not Newell fault, I know), beautiful visual style, even though I liked that of Cuaron better, because it was less static. And I acuse Newell of not actually liking or understanding the Potter-books that much.

Yates: Has a real passion for the books and there characters, great acting, very subtle, better music than GOF (more whimsical and jazzy), good characterisations, great lighting and visual style, that really fitted the story, a bit too short, still felt a bit chopped up. I’m not sure if he’s good for DH, because I’m not sure if he could give it an epic feel.

There you go, reactions please.