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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)
Companion BooksAn update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.
A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:
Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.
Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.
The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”
JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”
When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:
“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”
The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)
The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”
RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”
The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’
The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.
The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”
You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.
UPDATE
We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:
1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”
2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”
3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)
4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.
5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”
6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.
7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”
The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:
-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)
It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.
The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.
The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.
RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.
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Btw Karen I completely agree with you. If that happens, I’m boycotting!

Bravo Morton! Very well said!
The example of “copywrite infringment” is spot on!
Thanks!

Wow. And here I thought the Laura Mallory case was stupid.

Typical behavior of a parasite or vulture.
How disgusting. Anything for money.

...but honestly, after all this…will the Lexicon book sell well if it is published ??? It’s really sad for Jo to have to be dragged into something like this after all the happiness combined with loss that came with completing and publishing the final book of the series. I really don’t think RDR, or anybody, should be allowed an early look at what she’s planning for the encyclopedia. What a mess.


I agree RDR demands for The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’ is shocking. Thank god they were denied. This must be so distressing for poor Jo. When I say “poor Jo”, I er.. mean it figuratively speaking. I am curious to know what this Bloomsbury “comprehensive bible” is though?

I’m trying to work out the weird blank pages issue.
In the meantime can I ask everyone to refrain from insults? They really don’t help anyone. Discuss the case and its points, sure…but calling people vultures, or parasitic, or whatever, brings things down to the old Sticks and Stones argument and I don’t think that ever won anyone a court case. :)

The legal system is operated with attention to precise argument. There is a LOT of nit-picky ways you can say something to tweak it to your side or to disarm your opponent. That’s mostly what is happening so far, so I’ll let the lawyers deal with that bit.
Here’s what you have to ask yourself to make thinking about this situation clearer: Would the HPL book EVER have been able to include that Neville married Hannah Abbott without Jo saying it first? No. In fact, HPL seems to pride itself in being a collection of everything HP canon. Well where does the canon come from? Jo. Does HPL consist of mainly commentary or does it just keep track of what Jo says as canon?
I like Steve. I have enjoyed his contribution to PotterCast and I have spent hours on the Lexicon looking stuff up, but if he thinks that the information on the Lexicon is his own work, he is deluded. I’m sorry, but he is.

I know this has nothing to do with this post but JASON ISAACS is on ch4 Richard and Judy show in a few minutes! check it out :)

Thanks for the notice Chezzy, recording it now ;)

Am I alone in hoping this lawsuit drags on and bankrupts RDR – is that wrong?

To anyone who thinks Rowling is in the wrong here. Look up the Copyright Act that is there to protect writers, etc. Copyright = ownership. Books like mugglenets attempted to PREDICT what was going to happen in a book that had not been publshed yet. They were citing events that had occurred previously to prove their predictions. This premise made what they did legal. Now, onto more important book related news stories—-When is your’s being published Melissa????

Haha, cedrellaweasley . That’s the funniest comment so far.

Fair ravenclaw Glenn:
Yes, you are very correct about the essence of the legal system. But copyright is such a complex issue. The problem here is precisely what you say – the lawyers are doing what they do best, and the issue becomes muddled to any but another lawyer (which I am not :) ).
What is transpiring here is beyond just the issue of claiming originality, because, as I’ve mentioned in other posts, originality is only one element. Packaging/format is another, and there are aditional things to consider. At the end of the day, what really is at the crux of this is whether JKR was asked permission to use her material for the purpose of producing a money-making product.
As I mentioned before, this would be perfectly legal if there were permission to use the material for the express purpose of publishing a compendium of HP Canon to be sold for profit. Permission was neither asked nor granted. Therefore, the agrument has to revolve around such circumstances as the use of the material on a variety of websites with no challenge by JKR/WB, and similar things. This why it is so complex, and this is why every word that one says, particularly if one is in the public eye, must be carefully chosen.
One other point to make is that we are hearing the words of litigation lawyers. These are the people who appear in court and argue before judges. There is a method to their approach, no doubt, but in almost every case, they appear (I say APPEAR – I think it is a stance they adopt) to be belligerent, they try to ask for a lot more than they might be entitled to in the hope they will get something, ANYTHING, they can use. It is, in many respects, a game that lawyers are trained to play. We may not like the game, and we certainly (unless we are trained players) don’t understand the rules of the game and all their nuances. We have the right to comment, but we should do so in the full knowledge that what we think is the reality of the case may just be a stance, and that the real issues are obscured in all the words.
And as a final point, I realy would like to echo Melissa’s request that we keep this discusion on the high road. Leaky has always been seen as the place where this is true, and as Melissa says, resorting to insults and name calling, either of each other or of any of the principls in the case before the courts, is counterproductive.
Morton

Still with RDR on this. . . Even everyone on the other side, don’t pretend that this is such a straightforward, “obvious” case . It isn’t, so don’t make statements like “ridiculous” and “outrageous”. Thanks to everyone on the other side who gives reasoned views, not blanket statements.

Does the fact that RDR is asking for Jo’s personal notes on top of having all of her interviews and things from her website and fan sites seem a bit fishy? I have been out of school for a few years but I remember this little thing they taught us about – plagiarism. It is like saying, hey I know I have copied off of you and I need an A on my essay, what else have you added so I can add it to mine? All Steve is doing is taking the HPL website and printing it on paper to sell to the millions of fans he hoped to make a profit from. He is not only trying to publish works that are already published, but he is taking huge chunks of information provided by other fans and claiming it as his own. If he wants to write a book, fine write a “Dummy’s Guide to Harry Potter” with quotes from the book and ask permission to publish it FIRST. Anything that Jo has added about the books and characters after the release of the seventh book should be left out of his UNTIL hers is released and again he needs to ask her permission for that published information. Finally, he should donate at least 65-70% of the proceeds to Jo’s charity or any other one for all the trouble he has caused. I just cannot believe that this had to happen because someone (and I am not saying just Steve) got greedy and their sense of write and wrong became blurred. Even if Jo wins this case, I see it still having a negative impact on all fandom for anything to come.


I keep wondering just how Steve got himself into this. Did he go to RDR with the idea of publishing Jo’s work as his own? Or did RDR see the HPL and think “Here’s a chance to make a buck” and conact Steve with the idea?
I wonder what Steve himself feels about it now. He’s probably bound by a contract of some sort with RDR, so whatever he feels is irrelevant anyhow.
I just hope it’s resolved soon.
OMT

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