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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)

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Posted by: Melissa
February 06, 2008, 06:30 AM

An update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.

A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:

Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.

Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.

The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”

JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”

When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:

“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”

The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)

The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”

RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”

The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’

The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.

The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”

You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.

UPDATE

We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:

1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”

2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”

3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)

4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.

5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”

6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.

7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”

The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:

-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)

It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.

The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.

The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.

RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.

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239 Comments

Fair Ravenclaw Glenn

Morton -

Jo and Warner Brothers have both agreed that websites such as Leaky and the Lexicon will be allowed without fear of copyright infringement as long as they are free and remain ephemeral on the web. The content cannot be taken from the sites and turned into newsletters for profit for instance. It’s the free and open aspect that keeps the websites out of trouble with copyrights. Once the content it used to make money other than for charity or to support operating costs of maintaining the sites, the copyrights are applied.

It isn’t a question of just putting the information “out there” it’s the manner in which that is done. And hard copy printed for profit is a no-no.

Posted by Fair Ravenclaw Glenn on February 05, 2008, 06:39 PM report to moderator
Ken

Re: fish

“Inflated sense of ownership.”

Last time I checked neither GB or the US is a communist society. She created it, she shaped it, and she brought it to a conclusion.

She owns it.

Perhaps you should look up what analysis means. Making a timeline is not analysis. It’s a regurgitation.

Thus Vander Bark(f) should stop barfing up someone else’s ideas and spend more time creating his own. These are OUR TAX DOLLARS.

After all this is done, I hope they have to repay both JKR/WB and OUR costs.

Posted by Ken on February 05, 2008, 06:42 PM report to moderator
Fair Ravenclaw Glenn

Morton -

Our posts came up at almost the same time. You are quite right that it is a question of permission. Steve approached Jo’s Agent and asked if he could help her put together the encyclopedia that he would like to be hired to do this because of his knowledge of the Potter world (which in itself it kind of bold, considering that Jo is the ultimate authority) and they declined. After that, he decided to publish the Lexicon book himself. He had no permission to publish that information. That it what started it all, isn’t it?

Posted by Fair Ravenclaw Glenn on February 05, 2008, 06:46 PM report to moderator
Melissa

Ken, can I ask you to refrain from making comments like “Vander Bark(f)” (though I’m not even sure what that means…) – it really does invalidate the rest of the argument and encourages others to insults. We really don’t want to see these boards go that way. Thanks.

Posted by Melissa on February 05, 2008, 06:54 PM report to moderator
Ken

When you look at this from the outisde:

The unsolicited offer (and at such extremes) to work on the encyclopedia, being spurned, then proceeding in, what seems to be spite, seems to me like a celebrity stalker.

I’m just getting visions of Yolanda Saldívar, Mark David Chapman, and Annie Wilkes.

Posted by Ken on February 05, 2008, 06:55 PM report to moderator
Ken

Sorry.

Posted by Ken on February 05, 2008, 06:56 PM report to moderator
HPRocksMyWorld

I dont know if anyone noticed it before … but i just noticed that Lexicon has enabled its right click as well as copying. Now you can actually select any text and copy it. I am wondering if this has anything to do with the suit.

On a different note … I remember JK lowers telling that Lexicon book will be direct competition to the ‘scottish book’. It does make sense that RDR lawyers ask for JK’s notes on the ‘scottish book’ to analyse how much competion the lexicon will be or … or will it be?

I am just trying to be neutral here. And I do hope this gets sorted out soon … I still have lot of respect for Steve and the work he has done … and of course for JKR … I would hate to see anyone getting hurt hugely by this.

Posted by HPRocksMyWorld on February 05, 2008, 06:57 PM report to moderator
Snape-Snake-Snack

I cannot believe the gal of this people! How dare they ask for JKR’s material. This claim is outrageous! It’s her books, it’s her world, it’s her call to say when she wants to publish wether it’s tomorrow or 10 years.

RDR and SVA should be aware of the consequences their actions may have on the fandom regardless of the outcome (which will NOT favor them).

Can you imagine if after this preposterous affair, authors will want to toughen the liberties granted to their fans: forbidding fanfic (like Anne Rice), prohibiting fansite, or fanart or wisardrock or something?

This is sad and pathetic. I felt somewhat sorry for SVA but now I can say that he has no sympathy left from me, if he thinks that pushing this he will gain something, he has seriously deluded himself. He comes across as a greedy and pushy person with no credibility left. As a HP fan am disgusted by this whole thing. I just hope the rest of the HP fans wont have to pay the worst.

Posted by Snape-Snake-Snack on February 05, 2008, 06:58 PM report to moderator
Morton Kaiserman

Fair Ravenclaw, yes, I think we are saying the same thing, and apparently at the same time.

Posted by Morton Kaiserman on February 05, 2008, 07:13 PM report to moderator
Morton Kaiserman

And, Fair ravenclaw, if fact, ANY use of copyrighted material for profit, without permission, is a no-no. Whether it is hardcopy, an on-line training program, a lexicon, or an informational or fan website. If money is charged to access, read, or otherwise use it, and there is no permission to use otherwise-copyrighted material, that is infringment.

Posted by Morton Kaiserman on February 05, 2008, 07:18 PM report to moderator
budb

this is all very sad….its now at the stage where the only winnners will be attornies. Folks, this is standard legal wrangling to draw out the process and to explore possible legal loopholes, and nothing to get excited about.

Posted by budb on February 05, 2008, 07:25 PM report to moderator
Squibby

sad,indeed, and I can’t picture anyone who would get excited reading this news. I’m afraid it will go on for a long time, it should’ve not happened. Too bad it did. I’m on Jo’s side, her material, she has the right to do anything with it when she feels like it.

Posted by Squibby on February 05, 2008, 07:33 PM report to moderator
Dave Almighty

How can the Lexicon, a supposed supporter of JK Rowling put her through such proceedings?

It’s her world; the fact they have the damn cheek to ask for all her notes infuriates me. It’s like “You did it to me, so I’m going to be childish and do the same back just to piss you off”. The difference is that their manuscript consists of what JK Rowling has written.. JK Rowling is asking for what’s rightfully hers, whereas what right does the Lexicon have to request JK Rowling’s personal notes on the characters.

You KNOW that information is going to get leaked if there’s a court proceedings based around it.. which will lead to the encyclopedia information being released prematurely.. I think this is what the Lexicon is childishly trying to do … if that info is released early then the encyclopedia itself will sell much less.

BUT HERE’s THE DIFFERENCE. JK Rowling’s not profiting from this, she’s doing it for charity. Lexicon, you’re taking money away from CHARITY you morons. How you can claim to have any love for JK Rowling or her work is completely beyond me.

And another thing that’s so bad about all this is that you’re forcing JK to commit to things she may not want to do.. She basically has to promise under oath that she’s going to write an encyclopedia now.. and she’ll probably be bound to have a compendium of Lexicon-type information in it after all this, since that’s what the Lexicon was trying to release. As a result, we’re going to get far more of this Lexicon-type information that we previously would have had in this encyclopedia.. which is not what we want. We don’t want facts we already know regurgitated back at us. But now, you’re forcing JK Rowling’s hand.. and she’s going to have to do much more of this now.

If and when she decides to release this beautiful Scottish Book, it should be exactly the way she wants it to be, without being obligated to write it differently thanks to you a*es.

Lexicon, I have no respect for you whatsoever any more. I know it must have been a lot of work to put your book together, and you wanted to make some money… but the minute JK said ‘No’... you should have agreed – abided by the wishes of the woman who’s given us all so much.

Posted by Dave Almighty on February 05, 2008, 07:38 PM report to moderator
Grace Weasley

This all is just depressing. Steve seemed like a really nice individual – but he doesn’t seem to have control over any of this anymore. I do have to agree with the first commenters – RDR has some nerve requesting Jo’s notes on HP. Those are completely irrelevent, and I’m glad the request fell through. It’s just yucky, what RDR is doing.

Posted by Grace Weasley on February 05, 2008, 07:44 PM report to moderator
Jamie

Melissa:

I can download letters 1,3 & 4. The filename of letter 2 appears to be different to the others (i.e. it doesn’t end in .jpg).

I’ve chaned the URL and added the ’.’ and can now download letter 2 :)

(I’m using Win XP and IE 7 if that helps).

Posted by Jamie on February 05, 2008, 07:48 PM report to moderator
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