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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)

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Posted by: Melissa
February 06, 2008, 06:30 AM

An update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.

A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:

Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.

Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.

The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”

JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”

When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:

“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”

The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)

The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”

RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”

The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’

The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.

The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”

You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.

UPDATE

We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:

1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”

2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”

3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)

4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.

5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”

6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.

7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”

The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:

-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)

It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.

The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.

The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.

RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.

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239 Comments

will orwont

In response to curious reader questions: There is no way that RDR or Vander Ark is going to drop this. If they win, they’ll have a licence to print money. At Jo Rowling’s expense. What’s telling, and sad, about this is that they are willing risk public shame and likely bankruptcy to get it.

And if RDR win, don’t think that fan sites, fanfic and wizard rock will remain unaffected. They’ll be pushed as far into oblivion as the law will allow. And you can also forget about The Scottish Book ever seeing the light of day. I’ll bet that Jo Rowling won’t have the appetite to keep working on it if the law lets her down. For these guys to win would be the ultimate screw-over by a fan community.

Posted by will orwont on February 06, 2008, 12:46 AM report to moderator
sevvy

“Of course JKR has the right to protect the product’s of her creative mind, but so has Lexicon.”

Since when does the Lexicon putting information from JKR’s books onto a web site equal having a creative mind of their own?

Posted by sevvy on February 06, 2008, 12:48 AM report to moderator
Ame

This is freaking rediculous. Asking for her private notes as evidence? Trying to build a case on legitimate publication rights versus the AUTHOR who created all the information to begin with? They’ve no chance at all! I can’t believe this still going on.

Posted by Ame on February 06, 2008, 12:50 AM report to moderator
Rhiannon

Melissa Sorry if you mistook my attempt at being rhetorical for being “alarmist”. However if this is to be an open forum then we are all entitled to our opinion.

Posted by Rhiannon on February 06, 2008, 12:54 AM report to moderator
elven princess

I am so disgusted by RDR and SVA. I feel so sorry for Jo that she has to go through this. Keep your chin up Jo, there’s no way RDR will win this!

Posted by elven princess on February 06, 2008, 01:05 AM report to moderator
Beth

One point of view that I just do not get are the people who say things like “JKR has an overgrown sense of entitlement”. Um… HUH??? She created the world, she wrote it, she created every single solitary nook and cranny and person and creature and place and spell and…. everything! She created the whole world. Of course she’s entitled to it. She’s also entitled to not allow others to come along, take all her data, put it in alphabetical order, and then claim they now have rights. Grow up, folks, this is not about sharing a ball on the play ground. It’s her life (17+ years of it) and her world. She is totally entitled.

And Rhiannon, you really have to learn the difference between copying someone elses material for your own profit and using someones material to draw your own conclusions. That point has been gone over time and again on this (and other) sites every time this news comes up. SVA’s book has no original thought. Every other book out there (ie: what will happen in 7, finding God in HP, etc) use her material as a stepping point to their own originality.

Posted by Beth on February 06, 2008, 01:14 AM report to moderator
Squibby

thank you Beth! well said! but the problem is -people do NOT read posts.

Posted by Squibby on February 06, 2008, 01:30 AM report to moderator
Aberforth

I am continually shocked at how low SVA and his cohorts seem to go. First he tries to take material repackage it and sell it as his own, and now he has the gall to ask for Jo’s notes on a book she intends to write in the future.

I’m sure I’m not the only one who would never purchase a book from the Lexicon or click on another page on the web site.

Posted by Aberforth on February 06, 2008, 01:34 AM report to moderator
luna

will orwont, exactly. That is why I cannot fathom anyone who is a part of the HP fandom (or anyone who cares about fandoms in general) actually wanting the greedy and shamless RDR and Vander Ark actually winning this thing.

Posted by luna on February 06, 2008, 01:46 AM report to moderator
Fossil

I feel like I should point out that we have very little idea of how much Steve is involved in this lawsuit. For all we know, everything is out of his hands and RDR + their lawyers are the ones making this request. So for people who are insulting Steve or talking of boycotting the online lexicon, I suggest you wait a little while and reserve your complete judgement until you know more details.

Posted by Fossil on February 06, 2008, 01:58 AM report to moderator
Minimoon

Personally, I find RDR’s requests ludicrous! I believe they’re forgetting that the primary source of Harry Potter is, and will always be, JK Rowling.

As HP Lexicon was an honoured fansite, I’m sure she is disappointed by this entire fiasco.

I cannot believe the audacity, and frankly the sheer stupidity, of RDR.

I’m a bit confused, but are they claiming that she never had intentions to publish an encyclopedia?

Posted by Minimoon on February 06, 2008, 02:26 AM report to moderator
Persephone E.

Are they joking? There is no way RDR can be serious… The idea, the nerve of them to ask JKR for her own secret notes is beyond preposterous!!! This really bugs me..

Posted by Persephone E. on February 06, 2008, 03:22 AM report to moderator
PL

Fossil, as a lawyer and someone who has been involved in a lawsuit over rights like this, I must inform you that as your legal representation, lawyers MUST ask for your permission to go ahead and get your imput with every new piece of information that they recieve from the opposing party. BELIVE ME, SVA knows EXACTLY what is going on, and is going along with it completely.

What they are trying to do here is to force JKR to settle, hoping that the judge is stupid enough to fall for what they are asking for. It is the cheap and crooked methodology commonly used by defence lawyers. They hope that the judge will say yes, and that JKR must produce anything she’s ever thought of for this book, in an effort to “prove” that their’s is different. However what the real plan is is to have everything JKR ever wrote for HP put on public record for the world to read, post and write about, and thus making her efforts for the “Scottish Book” become public and therefore rendering her rights to the information public just as the books are. This is what they were trying to do, screw her out of her rights so they can cash in and make a fool of her.

It rarely works, but the fact that they’ve tried it means they will stoop so far down they’ll see China soon.

The sheer fact that RDR’s response includes “and her creative mind” in quotes in such a condescending way tells you how much they are trying to defamate her character. But I agree, they have no rights to re-publish her world in a different order. They also have no right to try and make public all other compilations of her world from her and her publishers, because those works are for their continuity purposes in order to make sure the information in the books are largely consistent.

Forcing JKR to write the encyclopedia so that she can prove that she will in fact write it and to try to prove that it is or is not similar to SVA’s is ridiculous.

SVA and RDR sound so desperate and shady to me, and I have seen it so often, it is sad that people like this waste everyone’s time and money. Unless the judge on this case in a complete idiot, RDR will lose, but it may take years before they do, which means they may hinder the production of the encyclopedia for us all for years. These cases sometimes last 4 or 5 years depending on how much crap the defence can sling and how many hoops they make the WB jump just to prove RDR wrong. Hopefully the high profilality of it all will make it speedy and not crush JK’s feelings for the book.

Lengthy, but legal explanations usually are.

Posted by PL on February 06, 2008, 03:23 AM report to moderator
Leggers

’...the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition.’

Excuse me? My jaw actually dropped when I read that. This is a truly horrible situation.

Posted by Leggers on February 06, 2008, 03:49 AM report to moderator
Beth

posted by PL, in response to Fossil: “Fossil, as a lawyer and someone who has been involved in a lawsuit over rights like this, I must inform you that as your legal representation, lawyers MUST ask for your permission to go ahead and get your imput with every new piece of information that they recieve from the opposing party. BELIVE ME, SVA knows EXACTLY what is going on, and is going along with it completely.”

Thank you for your insightful post in the legal wranglings taking place in this case. I dont want to speak for anyone, but I’m gonna make a guess at what Fossil was referring to was that we dont know how much Steve himself is still involved, or how much of this is RDR. I’m wondering if he’s somehow “signed over” his voice to RDR, so this is the lawyers and RDR doing the wrangling. Forgive me if I’m wrong on that assumption, but it’s something I’ve wondered.

That being said, I’m not sure what to think. We saw, not long ago, that SVA contacted JKR’s reps asking for work (helping him relocate to the UK) as an assistant in helping Jo write the Encyclopedia. He was turned down. It seems his answer to that was to try to publish himself (seems like a “well then I’ll just beat you to it” kinda move, JMHO). When he ran into trouble there, the next move seems to be “ok, you’re trying to stop us, we’re going to try and get the courts to force your information out of you, into the public eye”.

Now, I realize I’m putting voice here, to my suspicions, but it all just seems so fishy to me. By requesting EVERYTHING she has (notebooks, bible, catalog, post-it notes, even her “creative mind”), it’s like they’re trying to control the info any way they can. There trying to say that if they’re going to be stopped, then they’re going to spoil it for everyone in the process. Its just wrong, no matter what.

Posted by Beth on February 06, 2008, 05:11 AM report to moderator
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