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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)

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Posted by: Melissa
February 06, 2008, 06:30 AM

An update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.

A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:

Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.

Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.

The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”

JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”

When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:

“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”

The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)

The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”

RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”

The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’

The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.

The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”

You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.

UPDATE

We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:

1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”

2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”

3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)

4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.

5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”

6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.

7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”

The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:

-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)

It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.

The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.

The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.

RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.

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239 Comments

Tyler

Thank you for the post PL. It confirmed what I was already thinking, meaning I was not cutting SVA any slack for the whole “It’s RDR and not him” argument any more after reading today’s article.

Posted by Tyler on February 06, 2008, 05:14 AM report to moderator
Christina

“I’m sure I’m not the only one who would never purchase a book from the Lexicon or click on another page on the web site.” Posted by Aberforth on February 05, 2008 @ 08:34 PM

I’m completely with you on that one. I made up my mind a while ago that I’m done w/the HPL and will never click on it again,and,God forbid,if that book ever gets published,I will most certainly never buy it. I think we all need to stick together on this,the one thing we have any control over.

And I know this has been said many,many times,but this is all so distressing. I’m just hoping and praying that justice will prevail. (in JKR’s favor,of course)

Posted by Christina on February 06, 2008, 05:18 AM report to moderator
lizzy

I can’t believe this. I thought Steve was supposed to be just a big FAN of JKR? How can he treat her like this now? It’s just wrong and I feel really sorry for JKR that she has to deal with all this.

I mean if he’s allowed to publish and sell this for PROFIT, then what stops anyone who writes HP fanfiction from selling it? The guy who wrote the James Potter and the Hall of Elders Crossing used JKR’s world, but the plot and everything came from his own head, and he wouldn’t be allowed to sell it for a profit even though I’m sure lots of people would buy it. I think that work of fanfiction took a lot more time and creativity than the lexicon but that guy isn’t trying to sell it, because even though he did all that work (over 400pgs I think) he realizes that the characters and the world initially came from JKR so therefore he has no right to claim ownership and make money from his work. I don’t know how RDR even thinks they have a case against this. I will be SOOOOOO mad if they win! I hope no one buys it!

Posted by lizzy on February 06, 2008, 05:23 AM report to moderator
PL

In response to the question of how much SVA signed off his rights or opinions in the case, this is impossible in this sense. In this kind of case to sign away your rights or imput to your publisher means that you no longer back them, and really it would involve Steve having to sell the rights to his book to them in order for the RDR publishers to continue the case without him.

This is just my sleepy round-a-bout way of saying that just as JKR is forced to reply to major developments in the case with a response along with the WB, SVA does as well. The main names in the case, whose intellectual property is being disputed, are JKR and SVA, the WB and RDR are essentially their corporate affiliates. The lawyers for WB and RDR take the helm of the legal documents simply because it is their corporate lawyers who are actually working on it. The WB has taken on JKR’s legal representation as RDR has SVA’s.

This means that meetings and phone calls are a-plenty when these judgements come out, and agreements and strategies are formed. The WB would most certainly have to consult JKR in reference to what the new judgement requires of her and to keep her abreast of date changes, just as RDR would have to inform SVA of the same issues. If either party were to make a decision on behalf of their client without their direct permission they themselves could be charged with a number of things, be removed from their affiliation with the parties and possibly be fired.

Now I don’t know how much RDR cares about SVA, but you can be sure that the WB wouldn’t say anything on JKR’s behalf without her okaying their doing so. This means that the accusations and nonsense that RDR are childishly (and legally their responses sound as if an immature and snotty 15 year old wrote them) bringing up would at least have to be expressed via letter to SVA, stating “this is what we’re going to reply, do you have anything to add? if you approve of this course of action please sign below” etc.

SVA is not at all just going to hear about all of this one day and say “oh those silly lawyers of mine, my my did they make a mess of things.”, he’s on the phone or on email saying “yeah yeah, say that, see what we can get.” (Hypathetically of course, I don’t claim to know him, his inner truth or speak for him, I can only judge him from his statements about the matter and how he is allowing his lawyers to behave.)

And just to add, I wouldn’t have bought the SVA book even if all of this hadn’t come about, I only want to hear about Jo’s world, from her own pen.

Posted by PL on February 06, 2008, 06:19 AM report to moderator
Anna

You know what, if RDR and SVA win this case, it’s going to hurt Jo beyond belief…when has she EVER objected to fan material? She herself has said she enjoys fan theories, the only thing she’s objecting to is using those theories for profit purposes, and what’s so wrong in that? Whenever Jo publishes the “Scottish Book” she has already said that the proceeds go for charity. I’m just disgusted at SVA and RDR wanting to do this, more at SVA because he’s a FAN!! Lexicon would have never been there if Jo hadn’t written these books. She’s worked for 17 years on them, and given us so much more than we can imagine with this world, and now someone thinks they have the right to do this to her? RDR, ok, they’re just a publishing house looking to make profits, but what’s SVA’s excuse?? Hang tough Jo, we’re there with you.

Posted by Anna on February 06, 2008, 07:08 AM report to moderator
Fossil

From JKR/WB request for injunction pt 2 posted by Leaky:

“Steve Vander Ark’s contract with RDR contained an abnormality for publishing contracts in general in that the publisher, and not the author, was responsible for copyright infringement claims by J.K. Rowling (but not by others). It also “tried to hide its infringement by insisting that foreign publishing agents not show or discuss the Book with publishers of the Series.”“

It seems to me from this that Steve has no legal say in what is happening. We don’t really know the relationship between Steve and his publisher. Maybe he supports them, or maybe (as evidenced by above quote) he signed away some of his rights and is stuck. We don’t know, I’m just trying to keep an open mind.

About the update: I was really hoping they would not bring the Pottercast interview into this. Hopefully they won’t be able to use her comments on the show against her case because otherwise her lawyers may ask her not to do it again, at least not without having it screened.

Posted by Fossil on February 06, 2008, 07:08 AM report to moderator
LemonFaerie

It astounds me that Steve VanderArk, supposedly a fan, would do this to Jo. RDR is arrogant, irresponsible and outrageous in their demands and behavior. The utter gall, the NERVE of these people, is just absolutely incredible. They act as if the burden of proof is on Jo. THEY are trying to steal her intellectual property. This is like those stories where a burglar breaking into a house falls through the skylight and injures himself, so he sues the homeowner.

I don’t remember who first called for it, but I agree… we, as fans and supporters of JKR, should band together to boycott this “book” now, whether it ever gets published or not, and let them know they have completely alienated us and we will never buy it. Then maybe a picket line in front of RDR

Posted by LemonFaerie on February 06, 2008, 07:14 AM report to moderator
LemonFaerie

In the analogy above, I should have said a burglar breaking into a house and not finding enough “stuff” to satisfy him, so sues the homeowner for more stuff. I just cannot get over them asking for all of Jo’s material and acting as though they actually have some right to it.

And BTW

“Typical american behavior – greed for money, fame and recognition. When all others would’ve stopped this madness law quarrel long ago and admitted they were wrong, the americans behind Lexicon insist on pursruing a futile future for their publication. What is it with these guys? It makes me sick! I know that not all americans are like this, but we see this sort of behavior every day anyway and we say – “Only in America!”, meaning it couldn’t happen elsewhere. Posted by Bjorn on February 05, 2008 @ 03:36 PM

Because a miscarriage of justice can only happen in the US, right? And there are only greedy AMERICANS, right? No greedy people anywhere else? No laws that get bent or taken advantage of anywhere else? You know what I am sick of? People who claim that things like this happen “only in America” and only Americans are bad. I find this statement a lot more insulting and out of place on this forum than any name calling that might go on by fans of Jo’s who are a bit overexcited and (justifiably) upset over this situation. Name calling as regards SVA and RDR may not add to the discourse here, but this was unprovoked, UNTRUE, uncalled for and unjust.

Posted by LemonFaerie on February 06, 2008, 08:00 AM report to moderator
NotTheHBP

the entire preceddings so far have really made me focus my attention on my own writing. I have one book that is almost completed, I am just on final minute edits on the final draft after many previous drafts, and another, its sequel, that it nearing completion of its first, and very rough draft. I want to be able to protect my writes as the originator of my series, and everything that I created for it. this has been interesting to watch.

As such, I decided that I wanted to write my own encylopedia of information, simply for my own enjoyment. it allows me to work out a great deal of backstory i likely wont need, but being obssesive as I am, I am looking forward to fleshing out these out of the way details incase I might decide to use them. reading todays post, it made me very certian that this could serve a greater purpose if I ever became a publish writer, and was in a similer situation. having all that work already organized specifically for a encylopedia even if just as a organization of all my work for my enjoyment I would be able to stick it to a publisher demanding to know if I was working on it or not, I could simply say i have been working on it from the beginning.

Posted by NotTheHBP on February 06, 2008, 08:18 AM report to moderator
Ascatal

OI this is getting nasty and i fear that if this continues to escalate it could end up dragging the website into the fray and possibly leading to its being shut down

Posted by Ascatal on February 06, 2008, 08:19 AM report to moderator
NotTheHBP

well, if it comes to that, then, fine, I can live without the HPL myself. of course, there is www.webarchive.org which archives website which would likely still contain the website in archived format. we simply need to get this over with.

jk rowling created the characters, spells, objects, magical objects, locations, potions, some not all of the magical creatures, etc. she has ownerships of them because they are included in her copyrighted text. the lexicon goes beyond fair use laws 500 times over, and that is not a exageration. fair use typically only allows 3k words.hpl quotes far more then that.

Posted by NotTheHBP on February 06, 2008, 08:28 AM report to moderator
doloresporter

ungrateful people.

Posted by doloresporter on February 06, 2008, 08:55 AM report to moderator
NotTheHBP

ungrateful for what? it should be noted that the harry potter lexicon itself didnt create what it catalogues, it lifted them from jk rowling’s copyrighted material that is copyrighted to her because it was her creation. 95% of the hpl is made up of information taken directly from the books, books that are the copyrighted and intelliectual property of jk rowling.

we can survive without harry potter lexicon if it closes down. many of the fansites already have vast listings of characters and locations and such as it is. the difference is that unlike the lexicon, they arent trying to profit from it.

no, the only ungrateful person in this issue is steve vanderark for being told jk rowling was not going to hire him, she was not going to let him help her on her encylopedia, and that because she intended to write the encylopedia, she was not going to grant him the rights to publish his own.

from what we have seen so far, it seems clearly that steve sought after the fact a publisher after jo and her people said no to all of his requests, alot of which were intrusive and honestly, how did he expect jo to say yes, i will put you on the payroll and let you work with my on my works with me and pay for you to move to europe?

Posted by NotTheHBP on February 06, 2008, 09:08 AM report to moderator
Govind Kalburgi

I’d like to see Steve Vander Ark come out in public and ask for JKR’s notes. Or just come into public view for that matter. RDR Books, I think, is asking him to keep mum and let them handle everything. It’s getting worse update by update and it’s pretty clear what RDR is up to now. It’s time to take a stand. Leaky, The Floo Network, Melissa and the whole fansite community must take a stand.

P.S: Are you in touch with Steve, Melissa? It’s time sombody asks him if this is what he wants…

Posted by Govind Kalburgi on February 06, 2008, 09:29 AM report to moderator
Christopher

News about these (or any of you) leeches attempting to profit off of JK Rowling’s work has gotten tiresome to say the least…

The woman is no saint – not by a long shot, but she’s certainly entitled to protection of her copyright. Anyone, other than Rowling herself, who trades on Harry Potter’s name, whether it’s under the guise of a commentary on the fandom, an encyclopedia, or whatever the case, is just pathetic. Are you that uncreative that you have to ride her coattails to the bank? Enough already!

Posted by Christopher on February 06, 2008, 10:00 AM report to moderator
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