will orwont

The final word on this case was said by WB at the very beginning: “Steve Vanderark has no rights in Harry Potter”.

Posted by will orwont on February 09, 2008, 12:22 AM
Remus Lonno

Hm, this comes across as a feint. The lexicon book isn’t as much a creative writing piece as it is a structured reference work about an existing ethos.

This is sad, it appears that Steve has shown his true colors :(

Posted by Remus Lonno on February 09, 2008, 12:38 AM
Grandma Kate

It’s Stanford University Fair Use Project.

Posted by Grandma Kate on February 09, 2008, 12:39 AM
Ally

Wow I cannot even believe the gall of him to say that. If not for JKR there would be no Harry Potter so of course she has the rights to it. I hope he realizes that everyone this book would be marketed to, obviously HP fans, will not even be buying his book now. At least none of the true HP fans will. I am definitely behind JKR 100%.

Posted by Ally on February 09, 2008, 12:47 AM
budb

Folks, if you are ever unfortunate to be involved in legal action, please remember the first rule: keep your mouth shut, let the lawyer do the talking, that’s why you them!

Melissa, again I salute your bravery in serving as the moderator of these threads!

Posted by budb on February 09, 2008, 12:48 AM
Lindsay

wow.

Thats all I can say about steve.

What a jerk.

JO, all of us here at leaky support you, not Stupid Steve..!

Posted by Lindsay on February 09, 2008, 12:51 AM
Melissa

Lindsay, please, refrain from the name calling. I get the emotion, just not the rest. :)

Posted by Melissa on February 09, 2008, 12:55 AM
xbella

Steve, you’re not writing ABOUT the harry potter world! You’re writing THE harry potter world!!! She doens’t have the right to control everything written ABOUT it - she can’t control editiorials or anything, nor would I think she would want to - but she can prevent people who are copying and pasting her work to profit off of it from being successful! Come on, Steve, I know you’re smarter than this!!!

Posted by xbella on February 09, 2008, 12:57 AM
KioRusltweed

I agree with Steve’s point that Jo shouldn’t have complete control over everything written about Harry Potter. The only trouble with his argument is that Jo does not have, and is not really attempting to get complete control. She is perfectly supportive of other literature about harry, the fandom, essay.. etc.

I guess it really all comes down to what exactly is in Steve’s encyclopedia.

Did anybody else notice that before this whole fiasco, Mugglenet had an encyclopedia due to be published? The stopped that pretty quick though, ha.

Posted by KioRusltweed on February 09, 2008, 01:07 AM
Susie

As someone who is 100% supportive of creative freedom as well as an artist’s right ot their own work, it is difficult for me to place my feelings. WB is a massive company, and I’m not entirely sure I like that JKR is working with them. Refusing to publish a book is comparable to banning a book (very loosely, I know. Please don’t rip me apart!) On the other hand, Jo has worked incredibly hard on the Potter series, and backed by a giant company or not, it is common sense and basic human courtesy that she should maintain the final word on anything HP.

sigh

I have no idea.

I guess I’ll just say good luck to both sides, I hope neither of them is bitter and that they find some sort of resolution in this mess. Not hard feelings, guys.

It’s a tough decision.

Peace, Susie.

Posted by Susie on February 09, 2008, 01:07 AM
KB Prez

Steve’s arguments are NONSENSE!

When I read comments like “That’s quite a huge power grab on her part …”, I have to wonder who, in heaven’s name, is advising him?

WOW.

Posted by KB Prez on February 09, 2008, 01:15 AM
lauren

Steve has some audacity to say that JK is a “copyright hog” considering that this is the world that she has invented. While i’m also a creative artist, i sympathise with JK more because this protecting her rights as a writer and creator. I’m sorry that this is happening, and i’m very sad that this seems to be turning nastier and nastier as it progresses. I agree with KB Prez; i totally reacted the same way. Ugh. shakes head what a miserable situation. sigh

Posted by lauren on February 09, 2008, 01:23 AM
Luiz

Well, any attempt to “choke creativity” should indeed be condemned. But, as we all can tell, there’s nothing creative about the Lexicon, just a recanting of Rowling’s content.

It’s pretty obvious that Mr. Nocera from The New York Times didn’t do his reseach.

Posted by Luiz on February 09, 2008, 01:26 AM
Melissa

Lauren, Steve didn’t call her a copyright hog,t he author of the NYT article did. I’m sorry if that’s not clear enough in the post and I’ll try and clarify. Steve said her attempts at the suit were a power grab, and constituted an attempt to choke those who attempt to “live off the creative work of others” (that might be a paraphrase.)

Posted by Melissa on February 09, 2008, 01:26 AM
xbella

Susie, it’s not even loosely comparable to banning a book though, because the content of the book is not being banned at all. There would be no problem at all if Steve wanted to release the contents of the book somewhere like the internet where he could do so free of charge… oh, that’s right, it already IS available on the internet free of charge! And WB isn’t trying to shut down the website. It’s not that WB is trying to prevent the people of the world from reading the content of the book – we can already do so simply by logging onto the Lexicon. It’s the part where Steve makes money off of what isn’t his that WB/JKR has the problem with. Ahh, I’m sorry and I hope I dont’ sound at all like I’m biting your head off, but I just don’t understand the “freedom of speech” argument one bit because everything Steve’s saying in the book is already available. And yes, his publishers admit that the book is exactly like the website without any new (or creative) content.

Posted by xbella on February 09, 2008, 01:29 AM