She uses rules to enforce her will on others. that’s certainly not ‘good’ and I agree with TML’s post that her worked out well for her. You could tell she did enjoy punishing the students for any infractions. while that alone isn’t ‘evil’ it’s the enjoyment part and the maliciousness on that part that is. As a long time D&D player, I’d set her up as Lawful Evil.
So, now should that set her in Slytherin? Maybe not that alone, but if you notice JKR always mentions people that ARE in that house as sorta slimy creatures of the earth, and she’s clearly described as ‘Toady’.
“JKR always mentions people that ARE in that house as sorta slimy creatures of the earth, and she’s clearly described as ‘Toady’.”
Excellent point, Quickpost. That’s definitive. She’s Slytherin. =-D
I disagree with the opinion that all the bad guys are Slytherins, although I have to admit that JKR created this prejudice herself, because there are NO Slytherins in the books who are entirely good, just like, say, Harry, Ron and Hermione. There are persons like Slughorn and Snape, who can be considered good judging by their actions, but cannot be called nice people. And all other Slytherins are just disgusting, both in their behaviour and in their actions. That is why people tend to think that every evil character in the book must have been a Slytherin :(((
I personally think that Umbridge was a Hufflepuff, for the reasons that Siyrean stated so nicely. She is really loyal to the policy of the Ministry, whatever it is. And loyalty can be a bad quality if it is loyalty to wrong principles… It is naive to think that all Hufflepuffs are good. This is just not true to life, and JKR’s books are very true to life psychologically. So, if Ms. Rowling confirms that Umbrige was a Slytherin, I’d be REALLY disappointed. All bad guys cannot be Slytherins…
I am excited to listen to this. I am really behind on podcasts though – I’m still on “Are YOU Smarter Than John Noe?” Stupid school – taking away my weekly dose of PotterCast – They want to kill my back with all the school books they give me and use up my time. Biznatches.
I gotta disagree with those who are down on the Scribby 5 segment. It’s true that it sounds a little canned, but there’s always a lot of content. I really like this episode especially. And those poor fools who fast-forwarded to the drums – missed all the talk about Lust!!!
Arka, it’s not JKR web party. It’s simply an internet party with a bunch of “sites”. The title is “Internet Party.” I would suggest not watching the last 5 seconds as Melissa said if you are underage.
As for Scribby5, I’d have to agree with the majority. I don’t mind scripting…but I just don’t like it in Scribby5. It’s just way too rehearsed or not rehearsed enough. And I’ll be honest, I don’t really care for essays. Although I had read 1 essay mentioned on Scribby5.
But either way, I am thankful for PC each week and that what counts. As for the Frak and John show, I don’t think the world is ready for that. =D.
Yay! I’ve missed Cannon Conundrums so! This episode is going to make work so much more bearable today. :)
Good episode this week, I actually enjoyed listening to the whole thing, even the scripted Scriby 5 this week, because it was a topic and made me want to go read the essay, which is its point, but I do agree they normally are very annoying, but all around very good show. Yay! Sorting Hat series!
Oh and….not all the people who are evil are syltherin…Remember “the world isnt’ split into good people and death eaters” Wormtail was a griffindor, he transformed into a rat, that should have told them something about his character. Crouch…was very law abiding and very strict he used unforgivable curses in order to capture death eaters…so its almost like he wanted to be so good that he was corupted by …the ends justyfies the means type thing…
now as for the toad Umbridge, she used dementors to attack to 15 year old boys, she threatened all hogwarts teachers, and enjoyed torturing students. I do not think these are hufflepuff qualities, unless she too was corrupted by the ends justifies the means, but she was so against the idea that voldemort was back because Fudge didn’t want to beleive it, she is a self preserver…when the regeme changed, she already hated halfbreeds and believed in blood puirity, she wanted to be important and enjoyed giving these people pain, she got to carry out things that would never have been allowed before, her sucking up and willingness to carry out the hearings shows her ability to try to preserve herself. She truely enjoyed the cruelty but she wasn’t a death eater, that doesn’t mean she couldn’t have been slytherin, or that her true nature didn’t come through until later in life. She could have been sorted to soon as dumbledore says can happen, So you have: self preservation =S loyality to who ever is in power=H Order, by the book= R I really don’t see any bravery in here her selfpreservation is rather cowardly, like Wormtail, he was all about self preservation….who knows…
I think Umbridge was not of any house. Home-schooled I would say. We never hear her say “when I was in school” or “in my house”. Wouldn’t some of the professors that have been around a while (Dumbledore, McGonagal) have remembered her and mentioned it (giving Harry & the DA some ammunition). I would hope that Hermione at least would have found something out.
Even though she has a “pure blood” stance, do we really know if she herself is a “pure blood” or not (al la Voldemort). Would her blood have been pure enough to get her into Slytherin? (I think Voldemort’s lust for power overrode his less than pure blood to get him sorted into Slytherin, this also works for Snape, wanting some power to at least control what liitle we have seen of his child hood) But I digress.
Was she really smart enough to be a Ravenclaw? I think she would have found better ways of finding out things instead of using veritaserum.
Brave enough for Gryffindor. No, not with the way she hid behing her position and alliance with the ministry to keep herself out of hot water. And again, I think Dumbledore would have mentioned it.
Hufflepuff – maybe.
Anyway I still say home schooled.
The “pure blood” mania that some of them have was instilled long before they were sorted into Slytherin. On experience with a muggle parent (Voldemort, Snape)and going against them or just following in the footsteps of the prejudiced parents (Draco). Would Draco have been the same if his parents were more like the Weasleys, how about Neville being raised by the Malfoys?
Haven’t listened yet to this Pottercast but:
-in DH didn’t Umbridge buy the locket of Slytherin off of Mundungus because it had an “S” on it, which she mistook for Selwyn?
-When Hermione (in Polyjuice disguise) asks her about her pretty necklace in the courtroom in the Ministry, she answers yes its an heirloom I am related to the Selwyns.
-Were the Selwyns related to the Slytherins or descended from them? I thought they were, which would entail her going into Slytherin in that case, more than likely.
I just remembered all of that; although I really like the “Hufflepuff gone wrong” theory! If anyone can answer about the Selwyns that may help figure this out- and if they talked all about this in the podcast already, sorry to be redundant, I haven’t listened yet!
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And I agree with Nylorac, I can see Umbridge being homeschooled mainly because of her manner of punishment. She saw using the blood quills as a behavior mod not a torture, and that just seems to me like that would be something she learned or happened to her while at home. And as previously mentioned no one ever mentioned what house she was in and it would seem like she would have bragged about it as a banner of honor, but she never did and at some points seemed to be disgusted by the school, not proud to have been there.
frak has a breakdown about the dogs but who am i to talk i had a breakdown of laughing the entire episode 138 scribby DROP THAT SCRIPT
I think that her manipulating Minister Fudge was manipulation enough. She got him to do what he wanted for her. That among other things should be taken into account that, though completely and utterly malicious, she was quite, quite cunning in how she went about things. She forced/manipulated the students into believing what Harry and Dumbledore had said was a lie even after both had gone through great efforts do prove otherwise. Of course, she wasn’t alone in this, but it just adds to her list. The hat says of Slytherins, “Those cunning folk use any means, / To achieve their ends.” She fared well in that regard, did she not?