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Just one word. I want those who said all JKR fans see her as some sort of deity to stop generalizing for goodness sake. I am a fan of her but I know she can be mistaken as any other human (the goat joke being a great one, IMHO). I think she is a great writer and a pretty good role model for celebrities. Maybe my standards for a great writer aren’t as high as someone as well read as many of you, but I still think that writing 7 books is no easy feat. Plus, to make people emotionally attached to her characters/work enough to have some of them going from fans to haters proves my point.

BTW, what I said above, that she can make mistakes, it really is only my humble opinion, I cannot judge her from other place than the one I belong to, the one of a mere reader.

For me the receipe for the Polyjuice P. is each year more investigated and therefore expands the timelimits. We see in the HBP that Snape makes a note of his own experience into his schoolbook with each Potion. Harry using the embettered version wins in every class over Hermione who is staying by the official version.

So well, for me the Pjp in DH is just a better version of the standard book, it´s made by Mad Eye, who has a lot of experience. So it´s no real contradiction for me.

I loved Harry using the crutiatus and imperius curses. I was tired that only the “bad boys and girls” were using them.

For me all seven books are great and I have learned and reflected a lot about them.

I enjoy the books so much, that I am not bothered to look for “mistakes” or such stuff. I have all the audiocasettes and love to hear them over and over again.

Cho to Harry in the DA “Don´t be such a killjoy”

Anyone who could come up with a world as vast and detailed as Harry Potter’s is no “one-trick” anything. That was a very ignorant comment to make.

Nonetheless, the results of her efforts will be a song in the hearts of millions for many many years to come, and that is considerably more than most people can claim.

Best wishes to her, and may she continue finding happiness in all that she pursues.

You saw a flayed baby, I saw the disgusting creature Voldemort was at the beginning of GOF.

Oh, yes, of course I know what she wanted to say. When I read GoF I was maybe still too young to realize how infuriating this is. Remember, Jo has many young readers, who maybe never in their whole life have seen a baby that was born crippled (sorry, I know this word has a bad ring). It´s not that she really meant a flayed baby but the association is in her mind: a crippled soul is represented by a crippled body. Don´t you think that now in the back of some reader´s mind this thought is lurging everytime they see a flayed baby: oh looks like Voldemort? Although we are not aware of it the brain does not forget anything!

Without Polyjuice Potion the whole fake-moody-story had not worked. And without a time-limit I´m sure DD had used it to its full extend for his order members.

Anyway, she too has messed up with the patronus in the last book.

Or can you explain to me why Snape´s patronus represents Lily as the wife of James? Really something that makes the old git happy?

I believe that JKR’s decission to continue writing books for children is the correct career move for her. It is difficult for the adament fans who frequent this and other Harry Potter fan sites to realize that possibly more of her adult fans were extremly disappointed with Deathly Hallows then is represented on the fan sites. It appears to me that JKR still has a strong hold on her adoring child fan who believe that she is some kind of “Queen” who can do no harm, but I do believe that she has disappointed more of her adult fans then maybe even she realizes. I am starting to believe from what I have seen elsewhere that the disappointed adult fan might actually be a silent majority rather then a minority. These fans have simply taken their disappointment and moved on with their life. I doubt that they would automatically buy an adult book written by JKR, but the worshipping children would want to buy anything she writes.

This is my 2cents on this subject.

Posted by Paintball on March 04, 2008 @ 12:38 PM

Hello, Paintball!

Where you not the one with the trap-theory? You were kind of right were you not. In the end there was a trap!

Anyway, I agree .the adults I met here on Leaky have created their own site even before DH, because they were tired of this over worship. They wanted to discuss! The majority of them I guess liked HP, before DH came out. Then they had nothing but sarcasm for it. And those were the guys with the interesting threads here on Leaky! Although I have realised that some members of this new site were in favor of DH they have swung in by now. This is dissapointing, too. As I sayed I do not like one opinion-sites. But most of them disliked DH from the go.

Snapes patronus is the same as has Lily becasue he loved her all his life. Is this so dificult to understand. Love does not depend on marriage or else, it´s a feeling that someone has or has not. In the case of Snape he has.

Snape luuuurved Lily

I am no youngster and I love DH best of all seven books, it´s fantastic, beautiful and verrrry well writen. I loved the trio intruding MoM and gaining over Umbridge and the scum. And smashing half Gringotts. Huii and Neville decapitating Nagini. And Mollys fight over dear Bella.

The description of V mermed body is a fantasie, he has no skin and is in an other world, no one: baby or adult can life without a skin.

Pls don´t underestimate the wisdom and logic of our kids. Mines certainly know the difference between fiction and reality.

Eva Hedwig, I agree. I have never actually seen a crippled baby before, but I have seen pictures of babies with birth defects, and I have never once had “Voldemort” flash across my mind. Actually, in my mind dead Voldemort and Voldemort’s soul have always looked black and wrinkly (whereas a pure soul looks transclucent and somewhat liquidy-sounds dumb but looks totally AWESOME). At the risk of sounding like a moron, what does “flayed” mean?

Strange situation, strange discussions. Read other books people. Harry Potter is over for good.

I can’t belive people are on here scrutinising a comment Jo made about the end of the series and then comparing it to the death of her mother?! Good God people can we please show some respect! Bloody hell

Anyway, I happen to be in Edinburgh this weekend, anybody got a tip for a cafe?!

When Jo wrote book 7, she said some would like, some would not. A book, like any other work of art, is a matter of perception, and how one sees it. A so-called “adoring child fan of Jo’s” would still say DH was bad if he/she didn’t like it. Children don’t lie, and neither are they hypocrites. You won’t catch anyone below 16 making up adoring threads on one site and saying the book was bad on another. But the fact is, that’s the way the series was always supposed to end, whether or not it would’ve become a phenomenon. And holding that against Jo, because she kept the ending as it is, without making it into something else just for fans sake, is pretty harsh. It takes guts to keep the plot as it is, knowing full well that she’d be met with criticism for it from many quarters. And just because DH didn’t meet upto some readers expectations DOESN’T mean Jo is a “one-trick pony”.

Snapes patronus is the same as has Lily becasue he loved her all his life. Is this so dificult to understand. Love does not depend on marriage or else, it´s a feeling that someone has or has not. In the case of Snape he has.

Snape luuuurved Lily

I am no youngster and I love DH best of all seven books, it´s fantastic, beautiful and verrrry well writen. I loved the trio intruding MoM and gaining over Umbridge and the scum. And smashing half Gringotts. Huii and Neville decapitating Nagini. And Mollys fight over dear Bella.

The description of V mermed body is a fantasie, he has no skin and is in an other world, no one: baby or adult can life without a skin.

Pls don´t underestimate the wisdom and logic of our kids. Mines certainly know the difference between fiction and reality.

Oh please, of course his patronus represents lily, because he loves her. But why does it not take a shape that represents her before she fell in love with James.

Jo said lily had this patronus after she got together with james. So why was it not a stag? why is it that her patronus suddenly represents her? Wasn´t it supposed to show where your heart is? You see Lily is a doe, because she lives with a stag. But why is her patronus a doe, too and not a stag?

It doesn´t matter if the baby could live without a skin or not (have to go into this charité-museum where they exhibit maimed babys to check if ever one was born without skin.) The problem that a defect body was used to indicate the state of the soul is a faschistic view- kind of.

Snapes patronus is the same as has Lily becasue he loved her all his life. Is this so dificult to understand. Love does not depend on marriage or else, it´s a feeling that someone has or has not. In the case of Snape he has.

Snape luuuurved Lily

I am no youngster and I love DH best of all seven books, it´s fantastic, beautiful and verrrry well writen. I loved the trio intruding MoM and gaining over Umbridge and the scum. And smashing half Gringotts. Huii and Neville decapitating Nagini. And Mollys fight over dear Bella.

The description of V mermed body is a fantasie, he has no skin and is in an other world, no one: baby or adult can life without a skin.

Pls don´t underestimate the wisdom and logic of our kids. Mines certainly know the difference between fiction and reality.

Oh please, of course his patronus represents lily, because he loves her. But why does it not take a shape that represents her before she fell in love with James.

Jo said lily had this patronus after she got together with james. So why was it not a stag? why is it that her patronus suddenly represents her? Wasn´t it supposed to show where your heart is? You see Lily is a doe, because she lives with a stag. But why is her patronus a doe, too and not a stag?

It doesn´t matter if the baby could live without a skin or not (have to go into this charité-museum where they exhibit maimed babys to check if ever one was born without skin.) The problem that a defect body was used to indicate the state of the soul is a faschistic view- kind of.

ah forgot to add: of course the kids know the difference, but- and this is not only true for kids -when it comes to instinctive reactions pictures like that start to work.

The Patronus chooses you – not you the patronus, If you change emotionally the patronus changes with you- like with Tonks.

It was supposed that only an adult could produce a patronus, and at Harrys Hearing there was a reat astonishment, when he sayed he used one.

I think that Lily began to produce a Patronus after leaving school and beeing in Love with James it was a doe. Snape maybe made a patronus after school too and well it was the same as Lily. No contradiction for me.

V. splitted his sould in parts, so energetically there is not much left from him when he dies. This is a consecuence of his acts not a punishment. If I heat water and pull it over me, I burn myself. = logic consecuence

I think that it is important to have the consciousness that we are responsible for our acts, and V. got his result.

This does not mean that a baby born with fisical or emotional problems was or is “bad” it´s a consecuence of something. Like: medicaments or alcohol, drugs,, working in an unhealthy environment ….problems during the birth process.. This is not bad or good, thats life in different expresions.

I have seen a reasonable number of babies with different problems, and never have felt horrible at the look at them: I feel compasion and the looks in there eyes are very special, comming from their heart.

Harry who is very compasionate tried three times to come closer to V. maimed body, but could not as he felt repulsion. I can understand this, some people have such bad energy that instinctively one turns away.

V. had just died, so he has years, tausend of years to go to a purification process to became whole again. And so when he is whole again can be reborn to get a new change to be “a better man, a better wizzard”

Hi Secunda

Sadly the posters who kept telling me that the Harry Potter books were for children and that the plots did not have to be reasonable were correct. My sole reason for my SS/PS trap theory and my Deathly Hallow trap theory was to try to prevent the plot of SS/PS and HBP from being an idiot plot. Sadly I was wrong and the plot of both turned out to be idiot plots along with the idiot plot of Deathly Hallows. When Hermione told Harry that she had obtained the Horcrux books by accio through an open window in Dumbledore’s office after his death, I was so angry I threw the book across the room where it stayed for the rest of that day and night. I couldn’t force myself to pick it up and continue reading until the next day.

This meant Dumbledore assigned to three teenagers the task of destroying the horcrux, but not bothering to tell them how to destroy one. How stupid and absurd does this cause the plot of HBP to become especially with the revelation that he knew he was dying. I could go on and on, but instead I will just state again that JKR needs to write for children. Idiot plots don’t bother them. Most of their books are idiot plots so the children can be the hero instead of the adults. I think she has made the correct career move.

With PS I agree, Yes it was meant for children. And Jo said so herself. She said it about the rest, too. But after so many adults started to read them, well she had to say they were interesting for adults, too.

I´m not bothered that teenagers are the heros. Why not? That happens in real life, too. But you are right: Why has Dumbledore not told Harry how to destroy the horcruxes? It had not changed the plotline just spared us a few pages.

I can imagine that accio-books was a desperate move and it unexspectedly worked. But I didn´t like that. It was too convenient. Why would DD keep them in his office instead of destroying them?

Voldemort was obsessed with Harry and had built his own trap in GoF. In this case DD could just lean back and let things ´unfold`. And if he had always suspected that Harry was a horcrux then he had no other choice than to asign the task to the boy.

Well, in PS one could argue that DD gave Harry the invisibility cloak that he could reach the room with the stone so Volds would touch him what led to destruction of Quirrell´s body. But I suppose, as we are never told so and still leaves many questions, this is just my own fantasy and not Jo´s plan.

I thought about it once more: I´m not sure if we can really judge Jo´s ability to write for adults from HP. The series started as series for children. But during the process it seems that Jo got tempted to write more ´grown-up`, but in the end she still had child readers and had to make a step back. Or not.

I can understand this, some people have such bad energy that instinctively one turns away.

Yes, of course. And if this happens it`s clear that it´s the other´s fault and not your own imagination.

And yet again, people like Rachel don’t get it.

Do you know the woman you refer to so casually as “Jo” personally? I consider that unlikely. And yet so many of seem to act like you do. You have no investment in her or her life, only the product she periodically creates & SELLS you.

I’ll continue to buy her product as long as it interests me, but I really don’t see the point in wasting energy slavishly following every detail of her life as if there’s some importance in it to you personally.

I think someone else said it already, but seriously people, cut the cords. You’re nothing to her but a means of putting her children through school one day.

That nonsense such as “the fandom” even exists as something tangible to you is sad enough, but many of you take this all much too far.

Such as dumbledweeb. Where exactly do I refer to you (or anyone in that post) as a “fanboy?” Enlighten me, please. Perhaps that is baggage that you yourself carry. And you yourself own the blame for it.

However, is it that difficult for you to accept that not everyone considers the author of these books…and that’s all she is, really, an author of books, some sort of deity? Please come up with a better retort than childish twaddle like “Get a life.” I’m sure you’re older than that & can probably come up with something if you try very hard?

SPF

Yes, I’m an incredible idiot for liking an author and caring that she is writing another book that I will probably read and like. I’m also an idiot for wanting to find out more information about any charitable organization and am thrilled that said organization will get more notoriety and help more people when a famous person brings it to the public’s attention. So yes, we should feel completely furious with Leaky for posting such news on the site when no one is forcing you to read or care about that particular news story. Obviously, if you don’t want to hear about something, then no one does.