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JKR/WB vs. RDR Books Trial: Tim Wu Leads Panel at Copyright Conference, Discusses Fan Response to Vander Ark

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Posted by: Kristin
May 09, 2008, 01:21 AM

Columbia Law Professor Tim Wu led a panel May 1st at OnCopyright 2008, a conference hosted by the Copyright Clearance Center. The panel focused on the JKR/WB vs RDR Books lawsuit, and more particularly on the response Harry Potter fans have had to Steve Vander Ark since it was announced the HP Lexicon would be produced in book format. From a summary on the conference at EContent Magazine:

“Wu played an official Harry Potter podcast in which other members of the Harry Potter fan community ostracized and effectively banished Vander Ark from their ranks. Wu’s question to the panel was, “Why are Harry Potter fans disowning Vander Ark?” The panel’s answer was that the fan community needs to disassociate itself from anyone who goes to far in appropriating creative content for fear that their own access to that content might dry up. The panel also noted that Vander Ark’s attempt to turn his online Lexicon into an ink-and-paper book was his ultimate undoing.”

From the same summary:

“Panelist Gigi B. Sohn, the president of the nonprofit organization Public Knowledge, pointed out that many people still consider the internet to be the realm of amateurs, and author Douglas Rushkoff said in following that the transformation of an internet-based project into a printed work presents a significant symbolic shift that forces copyright issues to be taken much more seriously.”

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159 Comments

Geekboy

Oh this ought to be good…

Posted by Geekboy on May 09, 2008, 01:26 AM report to moderator
Brad

What rubbish! First of all, what’s an “official” Harry Potter Podcast? And secondly, are they trying to paint SVA as some kind of victim? Why isn’t anyone calling him to take account and responsibility for his own actions in this mess? While I fully agree with the fair use doctrine, these “fair use experts” (especially those who testified in the trial) make me angry. I don’t see the fan community’s reaction the way described above. Rather, I think the fan community is, like Jo, feeling betrayed by one of their own, and by one who is a self-proclaimed defender of the online community’s rights. Yet he’s missing the mark completely in his arguments.

Posted by Brad on May 09, 2008, 01:30 AM report to moderator
Geekboy

Sorry, At first glance I thought this was another something new, like he was stirring the pot more.

There should be an edit function on these :p

Posted by Geekboy on May 09, 2008, 01:31 AM report to moderator
IndigoMisfit

Ugh…this whole situation is so sad.

Posted by IndigoMisfit on May 09, 2008, 01:32 AM report to moderator
Kevin

Why are we ‘disowning’ Steve Vander Ark?

We aren’t, this prick of a jounalist thinks we are! It’s been said that if he were to go to a fan conference that he wouldn’t be ‘shunned!’

Even though we have every right TO disown him, look at what he said about Melissa (this has already been posted on leaky, just moving it to this comment: “Melissa has done more to hurt me [Vander Ark] than Rowling,” Vander Ark said during a recess. “I can’t blame her for liking her status.” After all, he said, Rowling “is God and Melissa is her prophet.” He went on, “I am an outcast now. But I still consider myself a ‘Harry Potter’ fan.”

This whole trial is ridiculous, and this ‘Wu’ guy is getting on my nerves!

Posted by Kevin on May 09, 2008, 01:32 AM report to moderator
Cathy

Tim Wu, apparently has used the HP fandom to provide himself with ammo for his conference. Write an incorrect article, get us commenting and then play the Pottercast tape, I believe out of context, to show how fandom feuds and turns on one of it’s own. I think we’ve been toyed with.

Posted by Cathy on May 09, 2008, 01:40 AM report to moderator
siyrean

i don’t see why we’re on the defense. it seems pretty strieght forward what was said.

Posted by siyrean on May 09, 2008, 01:43 AM report to moderator
NotTheHBP

is it just me, or is Tim Wu milking jk rowling for publicity?

Posted by NotTheHBP on May 09, 2008, 01:49 AM report to moderator
Confederate Lady

My only comment, on this “journalist” is : Par for the course. Perhaps Mr Wu can find a better position with the Globe or the Enquirer….isn’t it interesting that the members, of this panel [Gigi B. Sohn, in particular] seem to see things as they really are. Not as a sensationalist writer WANTS them to be. Perhaps they AUGHT to “force copyright issues to be taken much more seriously” And perhaps the type of thing, that SVA has done, will be less likely! [“official PotterCast”?? What’s with that?] It’s all tripe, really….As I said: perhaps Mr Wu could find a better home with the Globe or Enquirer. He’d fit right in!

Posted by Confederate Lady on May 09, 2008, 01:50 AM report to moderator
Kelly

Cathy: I think you’re right. Plus, official HP Podcast? Like JKR/WB are sponsoring it?

I wouldn’t welcome SVA back into the fold though. I mean if I went to a conference with him I wouldn’t protest his panels or anything, but I sure as heck wouldn’t attend. Not after how he’s treated the fandom and Jo.

Posted by Kelly on May 09, 2008, 01:51 AM report to moderator
Chasmosaur

Um folks…I hate to break it to you, but copyright / intellectual property concerns surrounding the Internet are becoming more and more important.

It’s not just about this lawsuit, there are a lot of questions about this kind of thing. I deal with them a lot. (I just had to take down a section of a client’s site because of intellectual property issues, actually.) And right now, this lawsuit is being watched carefully by those of us who do deal with intellectual property issues on a daily or weekly basis. Because I’ve decided I’m on the side of fairness in intellectual property, which probably means a solution that won’t please the fully-pro JKR / fully anti-SVR contingent.

Mr. Wu may not be involved in the HP universe or understand the motivations behind the “disowning” of SVA, but his observations come from a very specific place – intellectual property law. His bias and observations are going be towards these topics, obviously. Just as observations here are slanted towards pro JKR feeling.

And really – stop playing semantic games. If he played a podcast from this site, that is about as “official” as it gets, considering the support this site has from JKR and WB.

Posted by Chasmosaur on May 09, 2008, 02:02 AM report to moderator
desertwind

I wondered why Wu did the “fan feud” angle for the New Yorker. Now we know why and where he’s going with this, but I’m still confused.

He’s been arguing that copyright law, as currently written, is not flexible enough when it comes to Fair Use excemptions; that this inhibits creativity and violates 1st Amendment Rights to Free Speech. Or something like that.

But, I’m confused at just how this “fan feud” angle advances his legal arguments.

Is he arguing that there’s a natural social enforcement process that takes place no matter the law and, therefore, copyright-holders don’t need the law to enforce their rights?

Posted by desertwind on May 09, 2008, 02:11 AM report to moderator
Cathy

@Kelly

I pretty much feel the same as you do. My opinion, and this is mine only, is that SVA has had visions of becoming an author and considers himself to be a HP celebrity. He has been thought of an authority. This in itself is just dandy but unfortunately SVA has gotten involved in a lawsuit and a media frenzy. Has he been contradicting himself constantly or is he a mega victim of misreporting? Or both? We’ll see what comes of it all very shortly. This has been very interesting to watch.

Posted by Cathy on May 09, 2008, 02:16 AM report to moderator
Tyler

I’m confused. He was leading the panel, but the panel answered his questions about SVA? I thought the panel gave pretty good answers. Or am I confused about this?

Posted by Tyler on May 09, 2008, 02:17 AM report to moderator
Ethan

God, not this guy again!

Posted by Ethan on May 09, 2008, 02:20 AM report to moderator
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