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The Google debate is huge and will be ongoing for quite some time. It is possible with some versions of Adobe to cut and paste from one document to another. You can combine, extract, print to text, etc. An ‘encyclopedia’ can be extracted fairly quickly in comparison to old school methods.

Didn’t Jo say that she’s worried that if SVA and RDR are allowed to go ahead and publish their book that they will then be able to stop Jo from publishing her own book, saying that SHE’S plagiarizing HIM?

@ Hp fan – sorry, if JKR said such a thing, it was pure polemics. Or fear. Or misinformation by her lawyers. Or whatever. As a legal argument it would be totally besides the point.

We all live by the law so we can enjoy the resulting harmony. And we all have a sense of fair play that when applied to life makes us together as a civilization feel nice and comfortable.

If the law has been broken let the courts set it right and with our sense of fair play hope that all parties concerned work it out to the best interest of the many and not just the few.

Harry Potter has been a lot of fun for all of us and Jo is his creator. Personally I think she should have a say in how her creation is used.

May be she has the next generation of wizards on her mind to thrill us all and is just making sure things don’t get too out of hand copywright wise before she and her publishers and WB seal the deal.

One can only hope, (Harry Potter – The next generation)

Why is everyone suddenly on the defensive? Perhaps were so used to it during this trial, but Wu said on this panel was pretty on the mark

What absolute crap. I wish just once that journalists and reporters would get something right.

I personally don’t listen to Pottercast, but I know of them well through Mugglecast, and I know that Pottercast would never “ostracize” him, or banish him, as everyone else would do too. We have simply lost respect for him, for what he has done, and what he won’t do. We never ban him. Most potter fans look at both sides, and quite simply, the law is on Jo’s side. We are a massive community, and anyone who is hurting our beloved author and her wonderful series, we take offense to.

I also wonder how much of the podcast was played, and what was taken out.

Was Steve going to go Portus? Does anyone know if he still is?

And lets be honest here – we are banishing Steve.

It’s all so sad. In times like these I really, really wish we could just open PoA and hand that man a time turner. I can’t stop feeling sympathy – though with all that he has publicly said about this and what was brought up in the trial it is nearly impossible to understand how he could get himself into this mess – He MUST have seen it coming. And why do it then?

Money causes as many ailments as it cures… and now he lost the fandom and isn’t going to get the money either….

“the fan community needs to disassociate itself from anyone who goes to far in appropriating creative content for fear that their own access to that content might dry up.”

More crap, crap, and other things I won’t write. We actually respect Jo for her work, and we are willing to leave her creative genius alone so she can write more for us, not try and take more away from her and make her afraid of everyone. We “shun” him because of what he did to Jo AND to the law, not for what he did against us as fans.

He had the choice to back out, and he kept going against Jo, and now he has to deal with it. I don’t feel any sympathy at all. If he was truly so ignorant that he thought that he would get away with it, he deserves to be sued.

I wish whenever journalists and conferences for harry potter go on, they had at LEAST 1 harry potter fan on the panel. Then they wouldn’t get so much wrong, and articles like this would have some truth to it. There is plenty of potter fans to go around!

@p.f.-

You’re right-it is a fear. A fear that Jo (or any other writer) may not be able to publish works of their own because some other person claims copywrite on work that isn’t theirs to begin with.

I think SVA admired Jo so much, and wanted so badly to be a part of the HP world, that he kind of lost touch with reality.

No one can stop SVA from being a fan: but his livelihood related to Harry Potter will be impacted by those who effectively “boycott” him. Like me!

This is rubish. Official podcast? what is that?! And how come we havent heard from SVA? We havent gotten anything from him but that one quote about how he is sooo upset that he is shunned from the fandom. Complete twit. And this makes it sound like the accusations against him are too harsh.

What ever. Jo rox, SVA sucks.

The truth will out, and HP will remain a ligit. source, that is, its comes DIRECTLY from its original author.

Live, Love, Harry Potter, and Jo. Dislike, Protest Steve Vander Ark!

“Do you imagine for a second that the world of Potter fans starts and finishes with those who scribble their obsessions here? “

@lorgasmo, since you also post on Leaky, I’m sure you must include yourself among “those who scribble their obsessions here”.

Quote: “newbis I find it interesting and revealing that any media coverage that isn’t sympathetic or supportive of JK is instantly categorized as a “pack of lies” by the readers of this site. No bias at all here, eh? Posted by newbis on May 09, 2008 @ 02:31 PM”

Hey Newbis and other contributors here! I wish, you would stop writing “WE”, “US”, “the whole fandom” and “the readers of this site” because then you include me and I don’t know you well enough to have you include me in any way! The lawsuit is about the law. The fandom is about being a fan – with it’s (sometimes) bias oppinions. Please if anyone wants to implicate me – a fan – in an oppinion, then at least ask me about MY oppinion! There are some good, informative comments here. It’s nice to get some facts and easier then to grasp, what it’s all about. Still loving JKR’s work and still not bying ANY other authors books written about Harry Potter, no matter what the judge rule, but recognising that the law has to be challenged from time to time. Wonder what held RDR (sp?) from advising SVA a little better. They must either be amateurs or have alterior motives. It seems a little silly, that they had no idea, they were working in a grey area. Sorry for SVA if he landed in a hornets nest. But then again – he is a grown-up AND a librarian!

@ HP fan – sorry to come back again, but what can a writer own more than their copyright? There can be no doubt that JKR’s copyright for the Potter series is hers and hers alone, and it does include the right to write and to publish any lexicon or encyclopedia or reference guide based on her former work, she may – like Richardson for his Pamela, as cited in the trial – write a million authentic commentaries to her own creation and make more billions of it. On legal grounds, SVA cannot take that away from her or even touch upon it because her very own copyright would overrule everything.

Probably she even could copy and paste the lexicon’s structure because her copyright would cover her very own filling in.

What might be touched upon in case of that trial’s outcome in favor of fair use is the possibilty for writers to control or steer their own reception in academe or elsewhere. Which in itself is, imo, a kind of crazy thing to do for an author, but this kind of craziness is inherent in the canon thing, to say the least. I won’t go on about this, or else I’ll get censored again.

[Continuing Hypothetical Board of Honour] We’re sorry, Mr/Ms [enter name here] but this decision was unanimous, and therefore not subject nor entitled to appeal. Case closed. Student expelled for Plaigerism and false statements to the Board Of Honour of [insert University here]

@p.f.-

I’ll assume you know what you’re talking about re her copywrite overruling everything. If that’s the case, great.

LOL at the thought of her copying and pasting the lexicon.

My allergies are very bad today so I’m a little slow-could you please explain what you mean by ”...for writers to control or steer their own reception in academe…” ? Thanks.

folks, he’s using you, he’s using us for the free publicity and his 15 minutes of fame don’t give it to him