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Details on Cave Scene, Events on Astronomy Tower from HBP Screening

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Posted by: Sue
September 07, 2008, 02:00 PM

Hang on everyone, we have another treat this morning! In addition to the first report from the test screening of “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince” which took place yesterday in Chicago, TLC reader Rachezee sent us a new report today. This new report goes into great detail on the dramatic Cave Scene with the Inferi, as well as the pivotal events on the Astronomy tower with Snape, Draco and Dumbledore. Again a MAJOR SPOILER CAUTION is given, scroll down to read.

Thanks so much Rach!

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I am so sorry everyone, in my haste to write my review I completely forgot the cave scene! So here it is-

Dumbledore meets Harry at the top of the Astronomy tower and they apparate to outside the cave. As they are leaving Harry is surprised that that they can apparate from within the Hogwarts grounds, and Dumbledore says something along the lines of “That’s the beauty of being headmaster.”

The scene they apparate to, despite being slightly unfinished was nonetheless absolutely breathtaking. Cliffs and huge waves dominate the scene. Dumbledore finds their way to the anti-chamber and slits his hand (for you star trek fans – he does it in a Klingon way – straight across the inside of his hand). The wall crumbles away and Dumbledore explains to Harry that Voldemort would have set up defenses around the Horcrux.

The cave is very different than what I had pictured and than all the fan art I have seen, but still a chilling and amazing sight. It reminded me a bit of a normal cave mixed with the ice crystal place Superman goes to in one of his movies. The whole cave is a vast formation of huge crystals, jagged and rough, jutting out from the ceiling walls and floor.

They make their way to the water and Dumbledore cautions Harry not to touch it and he starts to raise the boat with magic. Then he has Harry reel it in with a very heavy long chain.

The island is a formation of crystals as is the basin. Now the only really cheesy and unspectacular thing about this whole scene is that they use a large white clam shell partially imbedded in a small rock to scoop up the potion. In my opinion it looked rather silly. Dumbledore tell Harry to force him to drink the potion and Gambon once again does a slightly better than usual job being forced to drink the potion.

At one point towards the end you can very softly hear Dumbledore mumble something like “please don’t hurt them, it’s all my fault.” But it was almost inaudible and I doubt anyone who has not read the book caught the line at all. Then after the last scoop is drunk, Gambon kind of goes back to his rather poor, unresearched acting and says with far too much strength. “Harry, Water.”

But first Harry goes back to the Basin and recovers the locket and in the background we can hear Dumbledore saying “Harry, water” getting slightly weaker each time he says it. Harry attempts to fill the basin with water the aguamenti charm, but can not get the scoop the water up with that silly shell. After trying several times and Dumbledore starting to collapse he goes to the lake to fill it there.

Suddenly the light that was emanating from the island with the basin goes out, and Harry lights his wand (most unfortunately with the non-existent spell luminous-maximus, or whatever it was he used in the beginning of the third movie), and slowly reaches down to scoop up the lake water. The moment he touches it a hand reaches out and grabs Harry’s wrist. The whole audience jumped in fear. Harry tries to fend off the inferi with all the spells we hear him try in the books. But in the end he is pulled down into the water.

Before I go on I must say the Inferi scene was one of the most spectacular of this movie. They looked a bit like the newer version of the Dementor, but much more human shaped and brownish. I fear I am not describing them well, because they were truly a scary site to see. The camera angles captured the scene of Harry trying hopelessly to defend himself and Dumbledore from them as they clambered onto the island from all different angles and the sheer number of them eventually overwhelms Harry and he is pulled down deep into the lake.

While Harry is underwater the view we have is from below him looking up and we can see the whole island from below as well. Suddenly the Inferi holding Harry releases him and he swims up to a surface covered in ferocious flame. The “ring of fire” Dumbledore conjures is an unbelievable sight, far more than I think anyone pictured in the books, but incredibly spectacular. Harry and Dumbledore climb back in the boat and the scene then cuts to Harry helping Dumbledore through the cave.

The every so anticipated lines of (I am paraphrasing) “Don’t worry sir, I’ll get us back” and Dumbledore replying “I am not worried, I am with you” are said. Executed very well by Radcliffe though rather poorly in my opinion by Gambon who clearly does not know the significant emotional value we fans know those lines have.

They then apparate back to the top of the astronomy tower. There is no dark mark in the sky. But as Dumbledore says he needs Severus not Madame Pomfrey they hear a commotion and Dumbledore orders Harry to go and hide and not come out or interfere. A command the book Harry would never have followed, but that the movie Harry would obey. Harry goes underneath the wooden floor of the tower where Dumbledore is standing where he can see everything through large gaps between the wood slates. Draco arrives and Tom does a brilliant job as a boy trying to be fierce and terrified at the same time. Some lines from the book are rather butchered by Dumbledore saying things like “Draco, you are not an assassin.” Then the Death Eaters arrive all in masks except Bellatrix and Greyback. Bellatrix urges Draco to do it though his wand lowers slightly.

Meanwhile under the floor Harry who is watching terrified with his wand at the ready is sneaked up on by Snape, whose wand is also out and puts his finger to his lips to make sure Harry stays quiet. My description does not quite capture that scene well enough, but I was surprised to find my heart ripping, perhaps because I knew what was going to happen when Snape appeared there. Snape quietly appears above, and Dumbledore, with far too much strength says “Severus Please.”

And Snape does the Avada Kadavra, and Bellatrix is ecstatic. The scene with Dumbledore being lifted into the air was unfortunately unfinished because we see him up in the air and then apparently falling down the side of the tower, but there was no motion yet. He is stationary in both scenes. I am sure more special effects will be added later. Then Bellatrix casts the Dark Mark (another amazing updated special effect with a black smoke skull and snake tongue). The Deatheaters all run out, destroying a bit of the castle in a euphoric tantrum along the way. There is no battle inside Hogwarts and the only one to chase them is Harry.

There was no Amycus or Alecto anywhere I could see. Oh, and there is no Rosmerta either. Forgot to mention that before.

Anyway, the Deatheaters set Hagrid’s hut on fire and the scene I already described happens between Harry and Snape. Harry then returns to find the whole school gathered around Dumbledore’s body, McGonagall in the front completely stunned and silent. Harry kneels down at Dumbledore’s side, brushes a hair out of his face and finds the locket, but does not open it. Clutching the locket He starts to cry and Ginny goes and holds him also crying. Then following McGonagall’s lead, everyone lights there wand (I think they all murmur something in unison but I can’t remember what) and slowly raise them as one in the air. Final shot of that scene is from above with all the lighted wands surrounding the tower, Dumbledore, Harry and Ginny.

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177 Comments

ilovehp

I only want to ask if hermione is appearing as much as she did on OotP. Does she? Ron obviously appears more.

Posted by ilovehp on September 07, 2008, 05:30 PM report to moderator
Paul Jericho

Man, this slogging on Gambon is just dumb. Movie lesson #1, kiddies: it is the DIRECTOR who decides how all actors perform. Gambon did what Yates wanted done. They did not do it for the “fans”: they did it for the story.

Seriously, this whole review is tainted by an anti-Gambon bias that makes it useless. Hopefully we’ll get objective reviews soon on non-HP sites!

Posted by Paul Jericho on September 07, 2008, 05:34 PM report to moderator
Nuclearfish

I don’t personally hate Gambon, he’s a jolly good actor, but I don’t like the way Dumbledore is portrayed. It’s not just Gambon’s fault, it’s everyone from the director to whoever chooses the costumes (whatever happened to the half-moon spectacles?). His Dumbledore doesn’t feel like the same character from the books. I’m not saying Harris was perfect, but I think generally he was better.

I don’t really mind a lot of the changes mentioned in this review. Just so long as it’s a good film and follows the same general storyline of the books then I’ll eb happy. Althoguh I don’t understand the point in changing the goblet to a shell…. surely it wouldn’t exactly have been difficult to have Dumbledore conjure it from thin air?

Posted by Nuclearfish on September 07, 2008, 05:48 PM report to moderator
HPFanatic

OMG! Sounds amazing!

Posted by HPFanatic on September 07, 2008, 05:54 PM report to moderator
splinched

k, so this sounds dissapointing, when i read the book i thought that they had to get the last 4 chapters solid, they are the emotional highpoint of the series, the weak and child like dumbledore being held by harry, the death scene, and to me the most important scene, the infirmary and the phoniex song! where is the song??! whenever i feel bad or down i read that chapter, it always give me goosebumps, i understand the movie is not the book, but a little respect for some of the pivotal moments from the book is almost mandatory…..and one last thing

Posted by splinched on September 07, 2008, 05:59 PM report to moderator
splinched

k, so this sounds dissapointing, when i read the book i thought that they had to get the last 4 chapters solid, they are the emotional highpoint of the series, the weak and child like dumbledore being held by harry, the death scene, and to me the most important scene, the infirmary and the phoniex song! where is the song??! whenever i feel bad or down i read that chapter, it always give me goosebumps, i understand the movie is not the book, but a little respect for some of the pivotal moments from the book is almost mandatory…..and one last thing ….... WHERE IS THE FRIGGIN FUNERAL SCENE??

Posted by splinched on September 07, 2008, 06:01 PM report to moderator
potions_git

I think the SNape and Harry scene makes perfect sense. Everyone assumed SNape was on their side still, even when he comes up to Harry and tells him to be quiet. It has the same effect as the book scene when Hermione and Luna just let him leave after Flitwick was hurt. The image of SNape being good is only shattered after he kills Dumbledore. I like it.

Posted by potions_git on September 07, 2008, 06:11 PM report to moderator
H

I’m looking forward to the cave scene, but Harry just hides while Draco almost kills Dumbledore and then Snape actually does? I guess this is the price we pay for being hardcore fans- the movies will never capture the essence of the books; because audiences just wouldn’t get it.

Posted by H on September 07, 2008, 06:18 PM report to moderator
LOOK

HEY THE FUNERAL SCENE IS GOING TO BE IN DH1.

Posted by LOOK on September 07, 2008, 06:19 PM report to moderator
Bell

NO RAB???? NO RAB?????????????

is horrified

No Bill/Fleur, no Lupin/Tonks, no Gaunts, no Rotfang Conspiracy, no Quidditch final kiss, no Hagrid and Slughorn drunk scene, no RAB.

My favourite bits were apparently all cut off.

AND A. The fact that Draco was going to cast Crucio on Harry is what made Harry come up with that last unknown resource, which was Sectumsempra. I think that’s a bit that would count in a court room, had Draco sued Harry. Therefore, it’s important. They have no excuse for that one. B. The fact that Dumbledore does not get poisoned and diagnosed with few months to live at the beggining of the year makes the whole Snape/Dumbledore deal confusing. And he didn’t attempt to use the Resurrection Stone, so HOW ON EARTH DOES HE KNOW WHAT IT IS?

I understand the need to cut it shorter. I get that. I’m not that pissed off at the way they treated the Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione, and I can live without a lot of stuff I would have liked to see. But I have NO IDEA how on earth they are going to make movie seven and eight work. How they are going to redeem Snape without the prospect of Dumbledore’s short life expectancy before they plan on how to deal with Draco, or how they are going to make the bit with the Resurrection Stone work, or the Ravenclaw tiara. And yet, it’s not so much that it’s going to be difficult, because I know they can pull it off, but how much more they are going to change and twist so it will fit.

I can’t believe they chose to spend screen time on the Burrow attack and as a result cut so many great things. I can’t lie, I know I’ll be watching this movie the second it comes out- but I am not looking forward to it AT ALL.

Posted by Bell on September 07, 2008, 06:22 PM report to moderator
Amanda, South Africa

Hi everyone. I remember seeing an image of Harry standing in Dumbledore’s office with Prof Mc Gonnagal sitting behind the desk and all the Headmasters in the portraits sleeping. This was a scene in the book, where Harry tells her that he has a mission given to him by Dumbledore and he cannot tell her what it is. This image tells me that the movie does not end with the death of Dumbledore. I assume it will end as most others on the way back to the Dursleys. Please can Rachezee just confirm the end for us. Thanks a million for the detailed review. PS. There is also a review by Eric of Muggle net for those of you who don’t know yet.

Posted by Amanda, South Africa on September 07, 2008, 06:23 PM report to moderator
emily?

im so excited! but i really wish they would get a different Dumbledore. this Gambon character butchers our beloved headmaster.

like in the fourth movie ((the worst out of the 5 so far in my opinion)) when he grabs harry by the collar and shakes him around a bit demanding to know if harry entered himself in the tortoment, that was totally overdone. dumbledore would have NEVER treated a student like that. AND in the 5th book some fans will remember when Dolores grabbed Marietta by the collar and shook her around ((just as Dumbledore did to Harry in the 4th movie)) Dumbledore told her he would not let her man-handle his students. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT????

i really wish we had a different dumbledoreor Gambon would stick to how Dumbledore was portrayed in the books

and for Eriskay, yes they are doing what the director tells them to do, but then why is every other character fine while Dumbledore is absolutely terrible????

Posted by emily? on September 07, 2008, 06:24 PM report to moderator
DEBORAH

THANKS FOR BOTH UPDATES.

Posted by DEBORAH on September 07, 2008, 06:26 PM report to moderator
Kelly

i agree with emily? 100%!!!!!! and she brought up a very excellent point about the 4th movie/ 5th book

Posted by Kelly on September 07, 2008, 06:26 PM report to moderator
Iolanthe

At least Draco and Snape are still in the scene.

Posted by Iolanthe on September 07, 2008, 06:27 PM report to moderator
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