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Details on Cave Scene, Events on Astronomy Tower from HBP Screening

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Posted by: Sue
September 07, 2008, 02:00 PM

Hang on everyone, we have another treat this morning! In addition to the first report from the test screening of “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince” which took place yesterday in Chicago, TLC reader Rachezee sent us a new report today. This new report goes into great detail on the dramatic Cave Scene with the Inferi, as well as the pivotal events on the Astronomy tower with Snape, Draco and Dumbledore. Again a MAJOR SPOILER CAUTION is given, scroll down to read.

Thanks so much Rach!

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I am so sorry everyone, in my haste to write my review I completely forgot the cave scene! So here it is-

Dumbledore meets Harry at the top of the Astronomy tower and they apparate to outside the cave. As they are leaving Harry is surprised that that they can apparate from within the Hogwarts grounds, and Dumbledore says something along the lines of “That’s the beauty of being headmaster.”

The scene they apparate to, despite being slightly unfinished was nonetheless absolutely breathtaking. Cliffs and huge waves dominate the scene. Dumbledore finds their way to the anti-chamber and slits his hand (for you star trek fans – he does it in a Klingon way – straight across the inside of his hand). The wall crumbles away and Dumbledore explains to Harry that Voldemort would have set up defenses around the Horcrux.

The cave is very different than what I had pictured and than all the fan art I have seen, but still a chilling and amazing sight. It reminded me a bit of a normal cave mixed with the ice crystal place Superman goes to in one of his movies. The whole cave is a vast formation of huge crystals, jagged and rough, jutting out from the ceiling walls and floor.

They make their way to the water and Dumbledore cautions Harry not to touch it and he starts to raise the boat with magic. Then he has Harry reel it in with a very heavy long chain.

The island is a formation of crystals as is the basin. Now the only really cheesy and unspectacular thing about this whole scene is that they use a large white clam shell partially imbedded in a small rock to scoop up the potion. In my opinion it looked rather silly. Dumbledore tell Harry to force him to drink the potion and Gambon once again does a slightly better than usual job being forced to drink the potion.

At one point towards the end you can very softly hear Dumbledore mumble something like “please don’t hurt them, it’s all my fault.” But it was almost inaudible and I doubt anyone who has not read the book caught the line at all. Then after the last scoop is drunk, Gambon kind of goes back to his rather poor, unresearched acting and says with far too much strength. “Harry, Water.”

But first Harry goes back to the Basin and recovers the locket and in the background we can hear Dumbledore saying “Harry, water” getting slightly weaker each time he says it. Harry attempts to fill the basin with water the aguamenti charm, but can not get the scoop the water up with that silly shell. After trying several times and Dumbledore starting to collapse he goes to the lake to fill it there.

Suddenly the light that was emanating from the island with the basin goes out, and Harry lights his wand (most unfortunately with the non-existent spell luminous-maximus, or whatever it was he used in the beginning of the third movie), and slowly reaches down to scoop up the lake water. The moment he touches it a hand reaches out and grabs Harry’s wrist. The whole audience jumped in fear. Harry tries to fend off the inferi with all the spells we hear him try in the books. But in the end he is pulled down into the water.

Before I go on I must say the Inferi scene was one of the most spectacular of this movie. They looked a bit like the newer version of the Dementor, but much more human shaped and brownish. I fear I am not describing them well, because they were truly a scary site to see. The camera angles captured the scene of Harry trying hopelessly to defend himself and Dumbledore from them as they clambered onto the island from all different angles and the sheer number of them eventually overwhelms Harry and he is pulled down deep into the lake.

While Harry is underwater the view we have is from below him looking up and we can see the whole island from below as well. Suddenly the Inferi holding Harry releases him and he swims up to a surface covered in ferocious flame. The “ring of fire” Dumbledore conjures is an unbelievable sight, far more than I think anyone pictured in the books, but incredibly spectacular. Harry and Dumbledore climb back in the boat and the scene then cuts to Harry helping Dumbledore through the cave.

The every so anticipated lines of (I am paraphrasing) “Don’t worry sir, I’ll get us back” and Dumbledore replying “I am not worried, I am with you” are said. Executed very well by Radcliffe though rather poorly in my opinion by Gambon who clearly does not know the significant emotional value we fans know those lines have.

They then apparate back to the top of the astronomy tower. There is no dark mark in the sky. But as Dumbledore says he needs Severus not Madame Pomfrey they hear a commotion and Dumbledore orders Harry to go and hide and not come out or interfere. A command the book Harry would never have followed, but that the movie Harry would obey. Harry goes underneath the wooden floor of the tower where Dumbledore is standing where he can see everything through large gaps between the wood slates. Draco arrives and Tom does a brilliant job as a boy trying to be fierce and terrified at the same time. Some lines from the book are rather butchered by Dumbledore saying things like “Draco, you are not an assassin.” Then the Death Eaters arrive all in masks except Bellatrix and Greyback. Bellatrix urges Draco to do it though his wand lowers slightly.

Meanwhile under the floor Harry who is watching terrified with his wand at the ready is sneaked up on by Snape, whose wand is also out and puts his finger to his lips to make sure Harry stays quiet. My description does not quite capture that scene well enough, but I was surprised to find my heart ripping, perhaps because I knew what was going to happen when Snape appeared there. Snape quietly appears above, and Dumbledore, with far too much strength says “Severus Please.”

And Snape does the Avada Kadavra, and Bellatrix is ecstatic. The scene with Dumbledore being lifted into the air was unfortunately unfinished because we see him up in the air and then apparently falling down the side of the tower, but there was no motion yet. He is stationary in both scenes. I am sure more special effects will be added later. Then Bellatrix casts the Dark Mark (another amazing updated special effect with a black smoke skull and snake tongue). The Deatheaters all run out, destroying a bit of the castle in a euphoric tantrum along the way. There is no battle inside Hogwarts and the only one to chase them is Harry.

There was no Amycus or Alecto anywhere I could see. Oh, and there is no Rosmerta either. Forgot to mention that before.

Anyway, the Deatheaters set Hagrid’s hut on fire and the scene I already described happens between Harry and Snape. Harry then returns to find the whole school gathered around Dumbledore’s body, McGonagall in the front completely stunned and silent. Harry kneels down at Dumbledore’s side, brushes a hair out of his face and finds the locket, but does not open it. Clutching the locket He starts to cry and Ginny goes and holds him also crying. Then following McGonagall’s lead, everyone lights there wand (I think they all murmur something in unison but I can’t remember what) and slowly raise them as one in the air. Final shot of that scene is from above with all the lighted wands surrounding the tower, Dumbledore, Harry and Ginny.

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177 Comments

Amanda, South Africa

Reading everybody’s opinions, onces again proves how different people are. The fact is not that we differ – but how we voice our differences. One thing that all of us agree on, is that Harry Potter, the books, enriched our lives. For me, the best I’ve ever read. Two of the most beautiful lessons for me, are those of choices and love. I see the movies just a bonus and I for one love to discuss what and who I liked and didn’t like and see what others think. I think it a bit sad that we get angry when we don’t agree with others. Waiting for somebody to respond on your post, is so exciting. Let’s not spoil it for each other. Ignore the posts you don’t like, and reply on those you agree on.. That will be more positive and make everybody happy. Just a thought.

Posted by Amanda, South Africa on September 07, 2008, 08:22 PM report to moderator
bella vita

I have to admit I’m pretty disappointed by these reports. So many of the decisions they have made just seem so completely insane to me. I mean so much of what they have chosen to leave out is needed for DH to make any sense.

How are they going find the real locket without Kreacher? what about the wedding… how will they have a wedding with no Bill/Fleur or even a relationship between Tonks and Lupin? What about the whole ring/resurrection stone part? If DD never puts on the ring and ends up with only months to live, then him asking Snape to kill him as a means to deal with the Draco situation just doesn’t make sense. And the sectumsempra scene sounds confusing, but that I can live with. However, Harry willingly just hiding like a little pansy and watching as DD is killed is NOT OKAY! I’ve always considered their relationship in the films to be poorly developed, but Harry would NEVER do that!

There are just too many things for me to list. The attack at the Burrow does sounds like it will be really cool. I just don’t understand why they cut out the battle at Hogwarts. I was really looking forward to that. I know they can’t keep everything, but it just doesn’t seem like most of their choices have been thought out at all.

Honestly I think Gambon’s performance is the least of this movie’s problems if it really is missing everything these reports says it is. I’m now more worried than ever about what will end up being cut or twisted for DH.

Posted by bella vita on September 07, 2008, 08:34 PM report to moderator
Ardalan

This is sooooooooooo ridiculous! What’s that stupid line: “That’s the beauty of being headmaster.”?!! The most beautiful thing in Harry Potter book series is the fact that although everything is magical and fictional, they all have some kind of acceptable and brilliant logic and reasoning behind them. So what’s all this rubbish?! What about the dark mark?! What about Snape?!!! That’s the most annoying thing in this movie! And all the time harry watches and does nothing?!! The most painful thing about this scene in the book was the fact that Harry just watched it all happen and couldn’t do anything to stop it.

I’m so annoyed with the whole movie series of HP; the only things that have been correctly “Harry Potter World”ish are Umbridge and Richard Harris as Dumbledore. The duel between Voldemort and Dumbledore in OotP movie would’ve been acceptable had it not been Gambon as Dumbledore.

Some might say that in an adaption, everything shouldn’t be exactly like the original source; I agree. But as for a good adaption, just look at Lord of The Rings: I myself read the books first then saw the movies; and not only did I not dislike the changes and omissions, but I actually loved them! I love both the books and movies. Now for HP movie series: I think the directors, producers and WB have been all so eager to make money out of this fantastic story that they don’t care about their adaption being good or terrible. I sometimes wonder how Rowling can accept these stupid movies to be made about her fantastic books!

Posted by Ardalan on September 07, 2008, 08:36 PM report to moderator
Crystal

Wait, the movie’s not going to end right after Dumbledore dies, right? They’re still going to show his funeral?

Posted by Crystal on September 07, 2008, 08:37 PM report to moderator
TAD

I think this (seems) to play toward Snape’s ambiguity quite well. He hushes Potter to be quiet, almost… “Shhh, I’m going to help him…” but then ends up killing Dumbledore instead. It’s sort of a twist from the movie Harry’s POV. Interesting. The book version is better of course…

Posted by TAD on September 07, 2008, 08:38 PM report to moderator
Tarhisie

Aw, in the review yesterday you said that Gambon’s Dumbledore was tolerable. “Tolerable” was more than I was expecting. But in this review, he sounds completely awful. The cave scene and his death are the best parts of the book, but from this part of the review, they sound like they did a horrible job of it, mostly because of Gambon’s Dumbledore (which has always been worse than terrible), and Snape’s ineffective acting (Harry should NOT listen to Snape’s request to be silent. WTF.

Mostly it sounds like Gambon’s fault, though, with his voice being too strong and forceful, when he is supposed to be at the weakest moments before his death. The line “Severus… please…” is supposed to be desperate and weak, not strong. That’s important.

On the other hand, at least with Dumbledore’s death, we barely have to put up with his horrible acting anymore, except perhaps the King’s Cross scene in DH.

:(

Posted by Tarhisie on September 07, 2008, 08:45 PM report to moderator
jim

omg no battle in hogwarts?? best part of that book!

and yeh gambon really isn’t a good dumbledore he barks too much and hope they’re wrong and he dont ruin all those good lines =( =( =( =(

Posted by jim on September 07, 2008, 08:46 PM report to moderator
Naria

Reading this was great; my sister HATES Gambon.

Posted by Naria on September 07, 2008, 08:51 PM report to moderator
tomh0205

Gambon is an awesome dumbledore, he has so much of the twinkle, cheek and spring that dumbledore has. Watch him on BBC Top Gear on YouTube and you’ll see it in him

Posted by tomh0205 on September 07, 2008, 09:18 PM report to moderator
Uhm...

Okay, but the sea shell was REALY lame, i mean its not The Little Mermaid!!!The Cave scene isnt bad it’s wut i expected it to be, they added a bit more action which is gd.But Harry hiding when draco is going to kill Dumbledore?I dont think harry wud do that, although in the movie he’s really naive so i’m not surprised. ( Like in OotP when umbridge breaks the wall, when he heard the first bang he shud’ve told his frends to escape but instead he stood looking at umbridge like a complete idiot.) No battle in hogwarts? so the order let the death eaters enter hogwarts and didnt even try to stop them? They shud’ve removed the pointless battle in the burrow and made the hogwarts one. It MAY look gd while we watch it all together. And i have to disagree that gambon sucks, i think he’s the right dumbledore, harris looked like he cant wave his wand properly, how wud he fight voldemort?

Posted by Uhm... on September 07, 2008, 09:19 PM report to moderator
Lindsay

Wow they are really trying to dampen the HP spirt arent they?

cant wait anyway

Posted by Lindsay on September 07, 2008, 09:21 PM report to moderator
Goury

Excuse me if this question was already asked but is there a scene of Dumbledore being disarmed by Draco or NOT?

Posted by Goury on September 07, 2008, 09:29 PM report to moderator
Esme

It is a New excitement for this HP fan to anticipate this upcoming movie. Though I would like the movies to more closely mirror the books, I can’t say the artistic license used in the movies doesn’t eventually grow on me. They are parallel worlds and I’ll take them both. It is really annoying to know there can be a movie screening already, yet we cannot experience the movie for another 10+ months?

Posted by Esme on September 07, 2008, 09:32 PM report to moderator
Ponette

Richard Harris said in an interview once (I think it was when the cast was on Ellen, but I could be wrong) that he never read the books either. I’m so sick and tired of the animosity towards Gambon. I think he brought more meat to the 2-dimensional character Harris created in the first 2 movies. Besides. as an actor he’s supposed to follow directions the movie directors give him, so if they liked what he did, blame them, not him.

Posted by Ponette on September 07, 2008, 09:37 PM report to moderator
tomh0205

I like HP in any format, so I’ll enjoy anything they put in front of me.

Posted by tomh0205 on September 07, 2008, 09:38 PM report to moderator
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