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Details on Cave Scene, Events on Astronomy Tower from HBP Screening

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Posted by: Sue
September 07, 2008, 02:00 PM

Hang on everyone, we have another treat this morning! In addition to the first report from the test screening of “Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince” which took place yesterday in Chicago, TLC reader Rachezee sent us a new report today. This new report goes into great detail on the dramatic Cave Scene with the Inferi, as well as the pivotal events on the Astronomy tower with Snape, Draco and Dumbledore. Again a MAJOR SPOILER CAUTION is given, scroll down to read.

Thanks so much Rach!

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I am so sorry everyone, in my haste to write my review I completely forgot the cave scene! So here it is-

Dumbledore meets Harry at the top of the Astronomy tower and they apparate to outside the cave. As they are leaving Harry is surprised that that they can apparate from within the Hogwarts grounds, and Dumbledore says something along the lines of “That’s the beauty of being headmaster.”

The scene they apparate to, despite being slightly unfinished was nonetheless absolutely breathtaking. Cliffs and huge waves dominate the scene. Dumbledore finds their way to the anti-chamber and slits his hand (for you star trek fans – he does it in a Klingon way – straight across the inside of his hand). The wall crumbles away and Dumbledore explains to Harry that Voldemort would have set up defenses around the Horcrux.

The cave is very different than what I had pictured and than all the fan art I have seen, but still a chilling and amazing sight. It reminded me a bit of a normal cave mixed with the ice crystal place Superman goes to in one of his movies. The whole cave is a vast formation of huge crystals, jagged and rough, jutting out from the ceiling walls and floor.

They make their way to the water and Dumbledore cautions Harry not to touch it and he starts to raise the boat with magic. Then he has Harry reel it in with a very heavy long chain.

The island is a formation of crystals as is the basin. Now the only really cheesy and unspectacular thing about this whole scene is that they use a large white clam shell partially imbedded in a small rock to scoop up the potion. In my opinion it looked rather silly. Dumbledore tell Harry to force him to drink the potion and Gambon once again does a slightly better than usual job being forced to drink the potion.

At one point towards the end you can very softly hear Dumbledore mumble something like “please don’t hurt them, it’s all my fault.” But it was almost inaudible and I doubt anyone who has not read the book caught the line at all. Then after the last scoop is drunk, Gambon kind of goes back to his rather poor, unresearched acting and says with far too much strength. “Harry, Water.”

But first Harry goes back to the Basin and recovers the locket and in the background we can hear Dumbledore saying “Harry, water” getting slightly weaker each time he says it. Harry attempts to fill the basin with water the aguamenti charm, but can not get the scoop the water up with that silly shell. After trying several times and Dumbledore starting to collapse he goes to the lake to fill it there.

Suddenly the light that was emanating from the island with the basin goes out, and Harry lights his wand (most unfortunately with the non-existent spell luminous-maximus, or whatever it was he used in the beginning of the third movie), and slowly reaches down to scoop up the lake water. The moment he touches it a hand reaches out and grabs Harry’s wrist. The whole audience jumped in fear. Harry tries to fend off the inferi with all the spells we hear him try in the books. But in the end he is pulled down into the water.

Before I go on I must say the Inferi scene was one of the most spectacular of this movie. They looked a bit like the newer version of the Dementor, but much more human shaped and brownish. I fear I am not describing them well, because they were truly a scary site to see. The camera angles captured the scene of Harry trying hopelessly to defend himself and Dumbledore from them as they clambered onto the island from all different angles and the sheer number of them eventually overwhelms Harry and he is pulled down deep into the lake.

While Harry is underwater the view we have is from below him looking up and we can see the whole island from below as well. Suddenly the Inferi holding Harry releases him and he swims up to a surface covered in ferocious flame. The “ring of fire” Dumbledore conjures is an unbelievable sight, far more than I think anyone pictured in the books, but incredibly spectacular. Harry and Dumbledore climb back in the boat and the scene then cuts to Harry helping Dumbledore through the cave.

The every so anticipated lines of (I am paraphrasing) “Don’t worry sir, I’ll get us back” and Dumbledore replying “I am not worried, I am with you” are said. Executed very well by Radcliffe though rather poorly in my opinion by Gambon who clearly does not know the significant emotional value we fans know those lines have.

They then apparate back to the top of the astronomy tower. There is no dark mark in the sky. But as Dumbledore says he needs Severus not Madame Pomfrey they hear a commotion and Dumbledore orders Harry to go and hide and not come out or interfere. A command the book Harry would never have followed, but that the movie Harry would obey. Harry goes underneath the wooden floor of the tower where Dumbledore is standing where he can see everything through large gaps between the wood slates. Draco arrives and Tom does a brilliant job as a boy trying to be fierce and terrified at the same time. Some lines from the book are rather butchered by Dumbledore saying things like “Draco, you are not an assassin.” Then the Death Eaters arrive all in masks except Bellatrix and Greyback. Bellatrix urges Draco to do it though his wand lowers slightly.

Meanwhile under the floor Harry who is watching terrified with his wand at the ready is sneaked up on by Snape, whose wand is also out and puts his finger to his lips to make sure Harry stays quiet. My description does not quite capture that scene well enough, but I was surprised to find my heart ripping, perhaps because I knew what was going to happen when Snape appeared there. Snape quietly appears above, and Dumbledore, with far too much strength says “Severus Please.”

And Snape does the Avada Kadavra, and Bellatrix is ecstatic. The scene with Dumbledore being lifted into the air was unfortunately unfinished because we see him up in the air and then apparently falling down the side of the tower, but there was no motion yet. He is stationary in both scenes. I am sure more special effects will be added later. Then Bellatrix casts the Dark Mark (another amazing updated special effect with a black smoke skull and snake tongue). The Deatheaters all run out, destroying a bit of the castle in a euphoric tantrum along the way. There is no battle inside Hogwarts and the only one to chase them is Harry.

There was no Amycus or Alecto anywhere I could see. Oh, and there is no Rosmerta either. Forgot to mention that before.

Anyway, the Deatheaters set Hagrid’s hut on fire and the scene I already described happens between Harry and Snape. Harry then returns to find the whole school gathered around Dumbledore’s body, McGonagall in the front completely stunned and silent. Harry kneels down at Dumbledore’s side, brushes a hair out of his face and finds the locket, but does not open it. Clutching the locket He starts to cry and Ginny goes and holds him also crying. Then following McGonagall’s lead, everyone lights there wand (I think they all murmur something in unison but I can’t remember what) and slowly raise them as one in the air. Final shot of that scene is from above with all the lighted wands surrounding the tower, Dumbledore, Harry and Ginny.

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177 Comments

joan

well I have to agree with sammie here. Book dumbledore is not bipolar but Gambon playing dumbledore really is and I am most likely than not left with feeling of, as sammie said “ok, that reaction is strange, let’s pretend that didn’t happen and move on to the next scene” after seeing most Gambon/dumbledore scenes as opposed to Harris. And please don’t bash Harris when you don’t know how well he could have delivered as dumbledore were he alive, RIP. As for people complaining about the whole harry/cho getting more attention than harry/ginny is plain wrong because it is only september, so come nect summer, not only will the movie be a lot more modified, everyone (cast) will be playing up the harry/ginny moments a lot more than harry/cho. And as racheeze said, ginny gets as much screen time as ron so you all can’t be that dissapointed. It’ll all get better for the h/g fans when the cast starts promoting the movies, I guarantee you

Posted by joan on September 08, 2008, 03:20 AM report to moderator
Stephanie

Threads like these remind me why I normally don’t touch online HP fandom with a 20-foot pole. Some of the attitudes here are just plain silly and juvenile, and taints my enjoyment of what (IMHO) is a fantastic series of both movies AND books.

In fact, every comments thread at TLC ends up like this.

Posted by Stephanie on September 08, 2008, 03:25 AM report to moderator
BellaSnape

Anyone remember that report saying we will see the wanted poster of Bellatrix in Knockturn Alley? I do and I hope its in the movie, along with whatever scene that is where Bella is standing on the Great Hall table. Sorry cant contain myself. I just like Bellatrix and Snape soo much I want to see them in action. I wonder if anyone could have guessed that one! cough cough- my name – cough cough.

Posted by BellaSnape on September 08, 2008, 03:40 AM report to moderator
BellaSnape

p.s. I agree with you Stephanie, they are both very good and worthy series. Books and movies. I also know alot of these threads trail off into Luna land. No offense to Luna, I find her very entertaining.

Posted by BellaSnape on September 08, 2008, 03:44 AM report to moderator
xenolovegood

Gambon dumbledore? no thank you. Gamble Harris? YES PLEASE!

Posted by xenolovegood on September 08, 2008, 04:08 AM report to moderator
xenolovegood

sorry, meant dumbledore harris? XD

Posted by xenolovegood on September 08, 2008, 04:09 AM report to moderator
porpy

Ugh. Once again Yates is an idiot. Get ready Potter fans for the biggest let-down of all. HBP is going to be filmed with running, bumpy shots with nothing anchored down, yikes, here we go again with those “realistic” running shots that make us all nauseated. Dear god Does Yates know that it makes us sea sick? Realistic yes, but the whole series is FICTION for chrissake! Plant a friggin trip-pod for fricks sake! Now as to the cuts – Yates does this always and forever. He cuts anything and everything. So where the hell is Trainspottiing? Where’s the heroin and the sex? Jesus – this is going to be the biggest JUMP OF THE SHARK ever!

Posted by porpy on September 08, 2008, 04:29 AM report to moderator
Kim

I wish you would have just left out your personal feelings on the actors and how you felt certain lines should be delievered. I’m pretty sure no two people have imgained the books exactly the same. I know what I feel like the movies should look like, and will reserve my judgement until I see it instead of taking the word of one person that seems to hold a grudge against an actor.

Posted by Kim on September 08, 2008, 04:36 AM report to moderator
beckett

I’m going to have to echo Kim’s sentiments.

This is a franchise that reached millions MILLIONS of people with the novels. No two people read a book the same way. No two minds are the same and therefore it is impossible for this to occur. It is therefore impossible to please every Harry Potter fan with the films. Also, the rule for a film script is a minute a page. For the Harry Potter books (say HBP) if you were to place each page of the books into a page of script (which is totally impossible because a page of a novel holds a hell of a lot more information than a page of a script) you would have a 652 page script (American version, first edition). A 652 page script? Over 10 hours. Thats for one novel. That’s not a miniseries. Thats a lifetime.

Things are going to get cut. That’s life. We may not always like the things that are cut. Heck I wish certain things were kept in films 1-5. And I didn’t particularly love parts of 1-5 in the way they were done stylistically. But the script and the actors and the over all effect of the film? I know that JK Rowling has the say. She would never allow her works to be slaughtered (these novels were 17 years of her life away from her children, they are too important!). So I put my trust in the fact that JK Rowling would never allow a change in her works that she didn’t like or feel keeps the integrity of the novels.

We might not all like every change, but WB and whomever you chose to blame isn’t doing this as a personal attack on you. And also? The movie isn’t done. We haven’t seen a finished product yet. Why don’t we all wait till we see it before deciding that it sucks, WB is out to destroy our lives and David Yates is the anti-Christ.

Cause personally, I love David Yates. Am thrilled he’ll be back, am over the move to July and can’t wait to see this film.

Posted by beckett on September 08, 2008, 04:52 AM report to moderator
Carlos

John, This thing about actors doing what directors tell them to do is not the case. It might be in high school plays, but not so in cinema. Directors allow actors (and of course, actresses), particularly those who are well established, a great deal of freedom, which is why producers go through so much work on casting appropriate performers. Gambon can’t take responsibility on what lines are written for him, but the responsibility on how they are delivered is his, just like he is responsible on how the character is perceived. Gambon has been the one glaring mistake on this whole production, and that is very unfortunate.

Posted by Carlos on September 08, 2008, 05:07 AM report to moderator
Susie

Sir Michael Gambon is a fine actor. But, unlike the other adult roles that are played superbly, he has misplayed Dumbledore right from the start. That is evident to those of us who’ve read the books many times.

Firstly, he never looked old enough (re-read the first chapter of book one again for AD’s full description). Secondly, he was far too dismissive (think his reaction to H&H’s return to the hospital ward twd the end of film 3), no “twinkle in his eye” as he was described as having on numerous occasions .. and one instance that always sticks out is the way he manhandled Harry after Harry’s name popped out of the GoF. Dumbledore would NEVER have done that – and didn’t.

Maggie Smith, Alan Rickman, Kenneth Branagh & Jason Isaacs to name four at random are spot on in their adaptations. And so was Richard Harris.

Posted by Susie on September 08, 2008, 05:34 AM report to moderator
yetter

thank you susie, I second that.

Posted by yetter on September 08, 2008, 06:01 AM report to moderator
Tommy

I don’t take reviews like this seriously. There literally is absolutely no possible way known to God to please fans like the person who wrote this. No matter how truly astonishing the film is, it makes no difference—if one TINY thing is out of place, it’s bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. I am so unbelievably sick and tired of Michael Gambon getting ragged on all the time. He plays Dumbledore just fine. Then again I’m sure the person who did this review is among the group of utter morons who LIED and said in the fourth one he ran at Harry, strangled him, and screamed at him, whenever all he actually did was rush over to him put his hands on his shoulder and asked him in a firm but also very concerned voice “Did you put your name in that goblet of fire?”

I’m sick of the constant complaining and I’m also sick of the unbelievable exaggerations.

Posted by Tommy on September 08, 2008, 07:35 AM report to moderator
Ed Tom

One thing that fails to cause anyone concern is the fact that draco disarming dumbledore is not metioned in this review. whether the reviewer fogot to mention this incredibly important fact or whether kloves did not implement this in his script worries me. but it doesn’t matter, we have a more pressing topic to talk about. Michael Gambon.

P.S. im really starting to question the credibility of this review.

Posted by Ed Tom on September 08, 2008, 08:01 AM report to moderator
axl.girl

A large white clam shell?? Oh dear god…. Voldemort protects a portion of his soul with uber-kitsch bathroom decor. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Oh, the horror…

Posted by axl.girl on September 08, 2008, 08:45 AM report to moderator
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