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Total Film Opinion Article on 12 Things They Should Have Kept in the Harry Potter Films

Posted by: sue
June 20, 2009, 09:13 AM

UK magazine Total Film has an interesting opinion piece/feature online where they lament twelve things that should have been kept in the Harry Potter films. Echoing many sentiments we fans have expressed written and discussed over the years, the list includes some of the following:

*PEEVES: The omission of the pesky poltergeist of Hogwarts has long been a source of the discussion in the fandom. Total Film adds to the chorus as it notes Peeves should have been included for OotP, noting: Pesky prankster Peeves is an anarchic poltergeist whose only goal is to create chaos. His sworn enemy is Argus Filch, the school caretaker, who has to clear up after him. Rumours that he could be the ghost of Jeremy Beadle remain unfounded. Rik Mayall did film a scene as Peeves for Philosopher’s Stone, but it got chopped.

*The Origins of the Marauders Map in Prisoner of Azkaban: If you’ve never read the book, the magic map given to Harry in Prisoner Of Azkaban seems to have ‘lazy plot device’ written all over it.In fact, what it actually had written all over it is ‘Messrs Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs’, which is a clue as to its origins and a whole subplot about Harry’s dad, Sirius Black and the other map creators being animagii – those with the ability to turn into animals.

*Percy Weasley, Traitor: The magazine discusses the cutting of this subplot to Order of the Phoenix, as they describe the role played by Chris Rankin in the films as follows:  In the film, elder Weasley sprog Percy – now working for the Ministry of Magic – comes across as a slimy yes-man. In the books he’s an all-out traitor, disowning his family and sending Christmas presents back unopened. The film could have run with the idea of Percy going really evil – fiddling his expenses and claiming on a second Gnome or something.

You can read the entire list, which also includes SPEW, Professor Binns, hoarding by Kreacher,  the Headless Hunt and more here via this link. Thanks Kiwi!

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202 Points

First of all, I think that S.P.E.W was very vital to the series, and to Hermionie’s character as a whole. Honestly, Jo could not have written a more touching moment for Hermonie/Ron kiss, than when Ron finally understands about S.P.E.W. I do not believe that whatever they come up with for the onscreen kiss will be nearly as special without S.P.E.W. I will be VERY shocked and impressed if they could pull this off.

I think Percy and Kreacher are both great plot lines that got cut, which I am hoping that they can rectify within the next three movies. One of my favorite moments in the series is in DH when Percy comes flying into the Room of Requirement right before the battle, but that will not be the same without the backstory.

I think that the details of the Marauders would also be on my list of things that they should have kept. I agree that St. Mungos would have been a great scene for OotP for the development of Neville’s character.

Posted by HPHealer on June 21, 2009, 10:28 AM report to moderator
91 Points

it’s true, a book is a book and movie is a movie, but it still would have made things more complete to include for example the origins of the maurader’s map (I felt bad for the movie-goers who missed out on this backstory, it’s what makes the books so awesome in my opinion, how everything is tied together). But oh well, all the more reason that “real fans” should definitely see the movies AND read the books, hehe!

Posted by stuckinanhpmoment on June 21, 2009, 12:01 PM report to moderator
91 Points

oh and I agree also with everyone’s mention of the ron/hermione kiss, S.P.E.W. is kind of what makes that moment so funny and sweet at the same time. I absolutely loved it in the book, couldn’t get past if for like 15 minutes how cute it was, lol!

Posted by stuckinanhpmoment on June 21, 2009, 12:04 PM report to moderator
7475 Points

i looooooooove all those moment and i really really really wish they’d been included.

After reaidng deathly hallows u look back on it and go that stuff was really integral to the plot even tho it didn’t seem it.

S.P.E.W causes the first kiss for ron and hermione for example.
Percy and Kreachers hording is going to be easily explained in the final movie.

Posted by Luce-Lupin !~ROAR~! on June 21, 2009, 01:53 PM report to moderator
2333 Points

i dont really think they needed like peeves and stuff….it would have been cool but i really think they should have kept in marieta…..and dobby should be in the movies more

Posted by theREALGinnyWeasley on June 21, 2009, 06:28 PM report to moderator
108 Points

I think the backstory to Borgin and Burkes will be interesting, especially as we see in Philosopher’s Stone harry in the wrong place- gives a bit more context for the undesirables… Ron in quidditch should be more especially considering him making the team in HBP (fingers crossed they do it justice) and the big biggy, Percy… after all it’s the whole Crouch thing that gets partially ignored at the quidditch world cup that in my opinion leads Percy to get more distanced.

Posted by Potterpixie132 on June 21, 2009, 06:46 PM report to moderator
78 Points

Couldn’t agree more about SPEW, would have been great to see winky in GOF, also Marauders Map back story was a glaring omission
Don’t agree about peeves (especially if it was to be Rik Mayall playing him)

Posted by phantomles on June 21, 2009, 07:39 PM report to moderator
93 Points

I wish they had kept everything. I doubt any of us would mind a ten hour movie!

Posted by Aliyah95 on June 21, 2009, 09:44 PM report to moderator
3006 Points

i wish they kept everything too!
But i think my family would draw the line at a ten hour movie (thout i would LOVE it) because i always finsh Homework late due to non-stop Harry Potter movie watching ,and i think my sister (Teacher) will ban HP books if it write one more report on them.
But i truely think they should have Peeves in because he plays a Very importent part in the Deathy Hallows
that and i like his songs/ chants :)

Posted by muggle..andproudofit =:) on June 22, 2009, 12:41 AM report to moderator
5413 Points

Okay I think the one about The Maraduers map is crap. They did explain when Harry went into the castle to find Peter Pettigrew and ran into Snape… When Snape said ‘Reveal Your Secrets’ Harry had to read it and he said ’ Messers Mooney, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs would like to … ’ and so on… That should have been a clue.. that was all they gave us in the books.

Posted by Harry Potter 4 Ever!! on June 22, 2009, 01:44 AM report to moderator
3186 Points

I really wished they would have kept the origins of the marauder’s map =(

Posted by FrancescaElle on June 22, 2009, 02:20 AM report to moderator
113 Points

Random ramblings, but that’s how I my brain works (if you call that working) ….

No doubt the most glaring is the Marauder’s Map. It ties together Lupin, Sirius, James. For that matter, did the movie cover that Sirius was truly remorseful that he changed the Secret Keeper to Pettigrew? Because we need to understand why Sirius will go to any length to protect Harry.

I thought they could have left in Dobby gaving Harry the Gillyweed in the GoF instead of Neville. It really shows how much Dobby is willing to ‘repay’ Harry for setting him free, its another part of the bond between them. In my opinion, Harry did not consider Dobby as ‘irritating’ in the GoF as that article implies.

The Headless Hunt? Good grief, it was aching to get whacked. Only reason one would want it in the movie would be to do some gross-out or show off special effects, if the movie was too short.

How about the removal of Snape’s puzzle at the end of the first book? Snape’s riddle is part of a larger riddle of is Snape against or helpful to Harry Potter.

What really annoyed me was that in the GoF movie, everyone from Durmstrang was male, and Beaubatons was female.

I didn’t like the change of scenery for the Dementor attack.

One more – Karkaroff is in some strange metal cage in GoF (Dumbedore’s memory in the Pensieve), and Harry is supposed to be in the same chair in OOTP? Is it going to change a third time in the DH movie?

Posted by NuttyAsSP on June 22, 2009, 03:00 AM report to moderator
10268 Points

SPEW & Winky were just a small part of what was stupidly excised from Goblet of Fire the movie (presumably to make room for unnecessarily long, special-effects-laden set pieces for the 3 Tasks), leaving a plot that must’ve been utterly incoherent to anyone who hadn’t read the book. In particular, the Barty Sr./Barty Jr. subplot was trashed to the point where it made no sense at all in the movie: Harry finds Barty Sr.‘s dead body at the edge of the Forbidden Forest, then doesn’t bother to mention it to anyone, not even Dumbledore, while everybody races on to the next thing with no further explanation? Whose dumb idea was that? How would the viewer understand from these truncated scenes that Crouch’s “illness” is how Flayed-Baby Voldemort came back to Britain? I would’ve gladly traded the dragon in Task #1 breaking out of its chains for a coherent narrative that built up to some rational conclusions & explained some backstory.

Of the 12 things mentioned, I miss Peeves a lot more than Binns or the Headless Hunt, & Ron’s torments as Keeper a lot more than the World Cup match. There should have been LOTS more background on the Marauders. The substitution of Cho for Marietta as the traitor was stupid – in fact the whole betrayal of Dumbledore’s Army was completely mishandled: How are they going to explain the crucial scenes in the Room of Requirement in 6 & 7 if Umbridge has already blown up the Room?

Buf of all of these, the one that was the worst oversight in terms of narrative was not mentioning Kreacher’s hoarding tendencies or showing the housecleaning scene with the locket. It’s crucial to the unfolding of the Horcrux subplot – how could the filmmakers not have known that?

Posted by WeenyOwl {The Human Deluminator} on June 22, 2009, 03:22 AM report to moderator
28 Points

Yes, the Marauder’s Map origins are important for Harry’s personal development, and could have been fleshed out more in the PoA movie. I also agree with most posters that Kreacher’s betrayal and hording should have been in OOTP. S.P.E.W. didn’t need to be in the movies, nor did Quidditch (the World Cup or Ron as keeper in OOTP – especially since he’ll get his moment in film 6). Bagman was mostly irrelevant. The rest of the list was highly inconsequential.

I felt Lily being in Snape’s memory should have been part of the OOTP the film, just so that them knowing each other isn’t a revelation for the final movie(s).

However, the BIGGEST OMISSION from the films, IMO – and I’m shocked that no one else has mentioned this – is the missing mirror. The mirror plays a HUGE role in the final book, especially in Malfoy Manor. As far as a plot device, I’m not sure how they’ll work the script for DH to get around it, because it sets up everyone’s escape from Malfoy Manor, Dobby’s fate, and Aberforth and Albus’ trust in him; I suppose they could script it so they don’t need Dobby’s help to escape, but then how do they do justice to Dobby’s end? Maybe they’ll retroactively deal with it somehow in HBP, such as keeping the scene where Mundungus is caught peddling Sirius’/Harry’s things?

Posted by Ltrain33 on June 22, 2009, 05:07 AM report to moderator
75 Points

Was there a “succession of matches” before the Quidditch World Cup between Ireland and Bulgaria. I’m too lazy to get up and get the book right now, but I’ve read Goblet of Fire a few times, and I don’t remember that.

Posted by Mr. Stratford on June 22, 2009, 10:41 AM report to moderator
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