Leaky Interview with GLAAD (The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation)

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Oct 24, 2007

Posted by Melissa Anelli
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Since Friday evening’s revelation that Prof. Dumbledore is gay, we’ve seen a lot of confused and oftentimes hurtful response and commentary on the topic. So, we called up GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, an organization that works specifically with the representation of gay characters and people in media, to help clarify some of the issues and talk about what this fact about Dumbledore means for our culture. A transcript of our interview with Sean Lund, the organization’s director of Messaging and Communication Srategy, follows.

(Please again be reminded that debate is welcome but disrespectful, name-calling, hateful comments are being routinely deleted.)

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The Leaky Cauldron: Thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us. Can you tell us more about GLAAD and what you do?

Sean Lund: GLAAD, the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, is an organization that has at its core the fundamental understanding that words and images matter, that what people see in the media has a really important impact on how they view the people in the world around them and how they treat the people in the world around them.

I think we have a really great opportunity here to have a longer discussion about Prof. Dumbledore, about the characteristics and the qualiites that he embodies and to talk about the fact that one of the most beloved people in the Harry Potter series is gay.

TLC: What’s the reaction been like for you?

SL: Most of the reaction that we’ve been hearing from folks as we’ve been talking about it with various media outlets has been very positive. We’ve seen, as I’m sure a number of your readers have, some of the message boards at The Leaky Cauldron and elsewhere that have been largely very supportive of J.K. Rowling’s decision. There have been some of those who have seized on the opporutnity that the conversation provides to engage in some stereotypes and some slightly unkind behavior, but overall I think the conversation has been positive.

TLC: What do you think is the most important thing to urge people to remember as they are dealing with this revelation?

SL: I think it’s important to remember that Prof. Dumbledore is exactly the same wise, loyal, kind character that those of us who have been reading the books have always known. He still embodies generosity and integrity and courage and the importance of protecting others. Just because he happens to be gay doesn’t make him better and doesn’t make him worse. It’s just one of the parts of who that character is, which his exactly what being gay is in the real world: it’s just a part of what makes each of us unique and each of us different.

TLC: One of the things we’re noticing is that there are some real misconceptions out there about what it means when you say that somebody is gay. There is a bias toward, an unfortunate assumption that gay means other things, such as child molestation and pedophile. Is this common?

SL: I think any time you’re dealing with the misconceptions and myths and stereotypes about gay people you tend to be coming from a place of ignorance or more commonly fear about what it is like to be gay. I think one of the most important messages of the Harry Potter books is how fear, whether it’s fear of what’s different, whether it’s fear of losing power, whether it’s fear of change, can lead people to do and say things that are at best unkind and at worst sometimes even dangerous.

Some of the comments that we’ve seen about Prof. Dumbledore and some of the other comments that we’ve seen over the past several days relating to this story have kind of crept into those areas of stereotypes and misconceptions, and I think that the really valuable thing that folks like you and other folks that are really Harry Potter fans and other folks in the media are doing, is really raising the level of conversation so that those stereotypes and myths aren’t allowed to go unchallenged.

TLC: Can you remember a recent time when another fictional character has been revealed as gay that has had this kind of impact?

SL: I think that probably the one that springs to mind most readily is the character of Willow on “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” back, I think it was probably about six years or so ago now when [the show's creator,] Joss Whedon, who revealed in a very gradual way and in a way incredibly authentic for that character that she was gay and introduced her girlfriend Tara, and the two of them became a really wonderful couple on that show. That was a really perfect exmaple of how to do this sort of storytelling and how to create these characters right. When you take a look at how the audience reacted to that, there was such an investment in those characters and in that relationship. The Willow and Tara relationship became in some ways the moral center of that show.

I think very much with how J.K. Rowling has brought Dumbledore out, I think that sort of quality of maintaining the authenticity and maintaining the truth of the character really goes a long way in terms of making sure people stay invested in those characters, and in fact that people could keep even more invested and feel like they have additional points of identification with those characters.

TLC: The Willow comparison also touches on something else – we’ve been getting a little backlash from gay people as well, who complain that it’s yet another gay character killed or was lonely (Tara, Willow’s girlfriend is shot in “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”). Is this a common theme in gay culture as represented in the media?

SL: I think that we have definitely seen some of that criticism and I tend to think about the fact that for many people who have read these books since the very beginning – I happened to come in around the time book three was published – for many readers who are coming into these stories now, they are coming into a series of books where the character of Dumbledore will always have been known to be gay. There are other people who just finished the series with the release of Deathly Hallows who are now able to go back as readers have been doing since the books came out, and go back into the stories and view the characters through this new revelations that have been in the new book or in J.K. Rowling’s recent interviews and really come to a deeper and richer understanding of these characters.

J.K. Rowling’s revelations, could they possibly have happened in the books? I’m not sure, you’d have to ask her. What you’ll see is that she set the stage for all readers of these books, be they those who have already finished them and those who have yet to pick up even the first book, to have a deeper and richer interaction with these characters.

TLC: This is the largest, most popular fantasy series of all time, this is a huge and respected character. To make not just any character but Dumbledore, the kind brilliant professor, Dumbledore, gay – is there any way to quantify what this means to the way that gay people have been portrayed in the media or accepted in culture?

SL: At the heart of GLAAD’s initiative is a very simple idea, that words and images matter, and I think the idea that J.K. Rowling would reveal that Prof. Dumbledore is gay sends a tremendously important message. It sends a message that heroes and people who we respect, and people that we look up to, come in all different shapes and sizes. And I think for the readers of the books, for the people who will see the movies in the future, I think that’s a tremendously important message for them to carry forward.

TLC: Some parents are dealing now with children who are confused about what it is to be gay, and there are children confused because they are taught that it’s bad, and they don’t want to believe their parents who say that it’s bad. What do you suggest parents do, and what do you suggest children whose parents aren’t willing to talk to them, do to understand what this means?

SL: I think a lot of that ties back to what we were talking about earlier, which is that a lot of these stereotypes and myths and misconceptions about gay people really are borne out of a lack of knowledge and more specifically a fear of things that are different and people that are different. I think that when you look back at the Harry Potter books, one of J.K. Rowlng’s most important themes is about treating people with dignity and respect.

I think one of the most important themes of the Harry Potter books is J.K. Rowling’s message about making sure that we treat all people, whether they are the same as us, or whether they are different than us, with dignity and respect. If you think about it, one of the central conceits of the books is that there are purebloods, and muggles and half-bloods, and there is constantly some conflict among those, particularly among those who fear and hate those who are different, and in one very vivid example of that, would call them mudbloods. That’s the sort of unkind language, the sort of stereotypes and sort of misconceptions that really do lead people to mistreat and dehumanize others.

You think about Prof. Dumbledore. Even before any of us knew that Prof. Dumbledore was gay, I think that we can agree that his character would never have approved of mistreating or abusing others or thinking ill of others. Now that we know that he’s gay I think it’s a very important reminder that whether you’re straight or gay or are in the process of figuring that out, being the kind of person who treats others with love and dignity and respect, who looks out for other people, who stands up for them, and who protects them, is really what being a good person and good friend is all about.

TLC: What do you think the overarching impact of this revelation will be on the culture going forward?

SL: When a character like Prof. Dumbledore is revealed to be gay I think it has a tremendously influential impact of readers of all ages. J.K. Rowling’s decision to allow readers to see Dumbledore for all of who he is, and I think also as importantly, her determination to preserve the authenticity of his character both in the films and the books, is going to enrich the power of these stories for generations to come.

I think that this provides a really great opportunity to remind ourselves and for readers of the books to remind themselves about one of the key themes of the Harry Potter series, and that is how fear of what is different can really lead people to do things that are unkind or dangerous and also at the same time elevate the sort of person that people really want to be in terms of the way they treat others. When you hear someone on the playground say “You’re so gay,” or, “That’s so gay,” that’s a word that they’re using as an insult. They’re trying to hurt another person and make themselves feel bigger by making other people feel smaller.

Even before Ms. Rowling revealed that Prof. Dumbledore was gay I can’t imagine that his character would ever have approved of mistreating or abusing others. And now that we know he’s gay it really is an especially important reminder that whether you’re gay or straight, treating other people with dignity and respect really is one of the most important values that we all can share.

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419 Responses to Leaky Interview with GLAAD (The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation)

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A very illuminating interview. Thank You Melissa!

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Thanks to Sean Lund for taking his time to give such intelligent comments on this matter. I completely agree with what he said. Dumbledore’s sexuality doesn’t affect his character in any way. He’s the same person he always was.

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To Melissa and the TLC staff: a brillant decision to include GLAAD in the discussion! Brava, bravo, and hearty pats on the back!

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If this interview makes at least one fan change his mind about a so important intolerance, it will be a great success. It’s has been a good idea to make them participates of it. Good luck and maybe this is the benining of a more tolerant generation :) we’ve to join it.

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Absolutely brilliant article Melissa! Thank you for contacting GLAAD – it was wonderful to read thier response. I must add my support to JKR, and to my continued and unceasing respect and love for the character of Dumbledore. These books have been such a treasure in my life and nothing could ever or will ever detract from that. Let’s keep in mind that the current world we live in is full of war, sadness, cruelty and terror – the Harry Potter books have been a constant source for joy and hope! – Let’s not change that! My two sickles worth….:o)

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I do believe that it can be seen as him being that orientation discretely in series. I think it just confirms what is harder to see in books. Though, it is possible she just got fed up with stupid questions and tossed it out there, but I doubt she’d do that. Long live Dumbledore in Hallows.

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I only read a fraction of the thousands of earlier comments, but saw no reference to the historical context in which Jo has ‘always thought of Dumbledore as gay’.

She has now given Albus’ DoB as 1881 (no birthday yet), meaning that the events surrounding Gellert’s visit and the deaths of Kendra and Ariana are conceived of as happening in 1899, when Oscar Wilde was wandering Europe after his release from Reading Gaol before his death the following year. In other words, a very different world from our own, folks.

By the time homosexual activity between consenting adults was leagalised in the UK in 1967, Dumbledore would have been 86 and Hogwarts’ headmaster for some years.

I mention this simply to point out that someone in his situation was very likely to have not concealed his inclinations and not been sexually active. His huge capacity to love, desite the tragedies of those summer months, is seen in his championing of the rights of oppressed groups and his care for the students of the school to which he devoted his life’s work.

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Please delete first ‘not’ from last para of my above post!

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Quite a wonderful interview! Thanks for that, Melissa and and Sean Lund! :)

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I don’t mean to be off topic. I thought to let you know that Bonnie Wright did an voiceover for Disney’s The Replacements in the episode London Calling. She played the villian. The show will be replayed tonight around 11pm (US time).

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A revised version of an earlier posting:

Actually I had assumed that Melissa (and Emerson) would be interviewing JKR during this tour. Perhaps now, with this renewed interest in HP and JKR, an interview would be even more relevent?

I know that many of us have been compiling our questions for JKR, and would like to submit those to Melissa (and Emerson) for JKR to answer….

Frankly, while of mild interest, I (and others, I know) have many other questions regarding the wonderful world and characters that JKR created for our enjoyment. I have five bucks in my wallet, come on, let’s chip in and send Melissa and Emerson back to Scotland!

Or, shall we overanalyze the meaning of Dumbledore’s “flamboyant cut suit of plum velvet” that he wore to visit Tom Riddle? (HBP, ch13 folks)

and now we wait for the ‘encyclopedia’, and only 12 and 1/2 months to wait for the HBP film….

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A persons sexuality does NOT define who they are…..GO DUMBLEDORE!!!

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Honestly, I don’t need to know more about Albus as gay from Jo. I think she has said all she wanted. Despite she reveals some boyfriend or other canon, I am more interested now on the rest of the story. Jo surprised us, but… do we need to ask her about it from now to 2030? no! there are other great questions here. i don’t find necessary to interview jkr about this.

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“BUDB”, Melissa and other Leaky staffers DID kind of interview JKR right before she announced that Dumbledore was gay, they talk about it in the last Pottercast. But yes, a new, more detailed interview would obviously be appropriate now that everyone is making a big deal with those news…

And that was a great interview! :D

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It doesn’t sound like the person Leaky interviewed has actually read the Harry Potter books. What do you think?

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I wanted to thank both melissa and Sean for this interview. I found it enlightining and enjoyable though know that sadly, it is a uphill battle to change people’s perception when they are set in their ways, or, as many claim, they claim devine superiority on all matters and you cant have a moral discussion with them without them misquoting bible passages to tell you how they are better then you. I am a life long chirstian, and have spent years being attacked because people think I am gay, even though I am not. I understand just how hard it can be putting up with intolerence.

Sean, Well said, and I hope and know you all we continue to fight the injustice of bigottry that is running rampent in this country. kudos and I hope you can continue to break down the misconceptions that seem to be the holding a grasp on american soceity, and even worse, the current administration who takes a anti gay stance of many issues of constitutional equality for all american citizens.

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The thing is—the fundamentalist right wing is not the other side. There are Christian fans of Harry Potter, and actually some of them have already posted on their web site. They really do have a problem with someone engaging in lesbian and gay acts, but they also are really compassionate, kind caring people. They were so happy with JKR said there were Christian themes in the book. The fundamentalist right wing are not really Christian. Christ spoke of love; they speak of hate. Anyone who wants to laugh very loudly in the midst of all this should check out the Borowitzreport.com I’m afraid that you won’t enjoy this if you’re a Republican, but aside from the anti-Bush stuff, there is a HILARIOUS line about HP fans..

Bush Seeks to Ban Marriage Between Fictitious Gay Characters Harry Potter Revelation Prompts President’s Move

Congratulations to the Leaky Cauldron for taking leadership in promoting tolerance, love and respect…

Susan

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How about an opposing viewpoint?

Just to be tolerant, you know.

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Thanks Germain, was on a professional trip and haven’t listened to Potter Cast yet (tho i prefer accurate transcripts to audio, to be honest). I’ll make the time today. Were any new specific details relevent to the characters and plot lines revealed?

My point, ElC, is that any future interview necessarily would include something about the “Dumbledore Revelations”, but far more importantly might get around to asking JKR about all the other questions which interest us. Sorry, I should have been clearer about that….

Personally, this particular revelation is only mildly interesting to me, and only in terms of character development as envisioned by JKR, and perhaps more about what it reveals about JKR as a person. Otherwise, its in the same category for me as the questions “does Aberforth have a kinky thing for goats….” or “does George marry the pretty girl in the village”.

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Only if that person promotes tolerance. We have no interest in someone from the religious right wing telling us that homosexuals are not as good of people as everyone else. Disagree with homosexuality, think it’s wrong, fine: insult the people who are, no. When we find a good person for that we’ll let you know.

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Like many other readers and fans, I was struck by the Rowling’s revelation that Albus Dumbledore was (is?) gay. As my brother said to me when I came out to him as gay, “I didn’t know before you told me, but now that I know, a lot of things about you make sense…” Andrew Slack of the Harry Potter Alliance observed “the fact that we never would have guessed is what makes Dumbledore being gay so real.”

The interview on your Web site was great- I hadn’t really thought about the critique that the sympathetic gay characters always die. I’d also add that they never get to find love of their own in the same way that straight characters do.

In the end though, I applaud JK Rowling for doing this. There is perhaps no bigger pop cultural institution than Harry Potter and our inclusion therein merely reaffirms what we already know. That we’re here, we’re queer and hopefully more people will get used to it!

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Budb, we did find out in the pottercast that Harry was Not a horcrux. Dumbledore called him one for lack of a better term. That was about it.

Thanks for this interview Leaky. I have a friend who worked for GLAAD and it’s a fantastic organization.

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So it has come to this.

How terribly,terribly sad.

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And, just FYI, no one’s going to have an opposing viewpoint as to whether or not Dumbledore’s gay or should be. JKR said he is, and so he is – someone saying he shouldn’t be, isn’t at issue. We’re not making the argument for whether he should or shouldn’t be, and neither is JKR. He is. Now how we deal with that is what’s at issue – interviewing someone who’s gonig to tell us it’s wrong isn’t presenting an opposing viewpoint. There is no opposing viewpoint to the fact that Dumbledore is gay: it’s a fact now, and that’s it. Identify the opposing viewpoint – that we shouldn’t encourage acceptance of this fact? The argument isn’t whether or not JKR was right to say it, or right to have a gay character. It’s what do we do now, how do we make sure that people can deal with this responsibly? There’s not a clear opposition there.

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It was a really great idea to talk to GLADD about this. Really interesting interview and so very true.

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An excellent and much needed interview, Melissa….And more to the point, the views of Dumbledore are VERY relevant. He requested, of Draco, “don’t say that name, in my presence”...(Mudblood) He (Dumbledore) was always stressful and mindful of the power of love and hate. He was also a proponent(sp) of tolerance. I think that is a noble thing and a lesson MANY should take away from this “discussion”. See the whole series, and Dumbledore in particular, for what they teach: Tolerance, love of fellow human/and other beings, and friendship. No matter what. Good on, all of you!

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Thanks Mollywobble…but that was it? Oh, there are so many details and gaps and questions! For me, the only surprise that came out of JKR’s other talks during her tour was that Dudley (and the Dursleys) survived…I had thought the “five muggles killed in Gaddley” might be the 3 of them, plus their guards…ah well, another prediction gone wrong!

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Thank you for keeping the discussions on this site positive and not laden with hateful and stereotypical comments. At the end of the day, his desire to love men (or women) did not diminish his contribution as headmaster or as a great wizard.

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for all those who are like: wow, now i totally hate dumbledore; just keep the same perspective you had on him before last friday ever happend. a person’s sexuality is just a thing, not a label.

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To the leaky staff: I just wanted to let you know how much i (and many others repelled by the ignorance expressed by some hp fans) appreciate the effort you are putting in the forums, the pottercast, and the general coverage of this apparently quite delicate subject. Even if it some of the hate and repelling comments impressed me, the time and energy that you are spending in making the fans a bit more aware and tolerant impresses me so much more… for us the ones who have to deal with ignorance about these matters not just with our favorite character’s, but with our everyday life, it’s uplifting and inspiring to see people like you stepping up and giving the example.

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I really enjoyed reading this interview, but I hesitate to think that there is much to go back and read further into as far as Dumbledore’s character goes. JKR herself said that she never intentionally alluded to his feelings for Grindelwald too strongly in the books. What we have to go on is backstory that she has provided us and is not exactly in print.

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Melissa, do you think that the opinion that does not hate or insult gays, but still thinks that homosexualism is not moral, and opposes gay-marriage, is legitimate?

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I don’t like the idea of a gay Dumbledor, but he is what he is. It’s easy to tell the world he’s a homosexual after the series is concluded. It would have taken real courage to make that revelation in the text or before the series was over

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“Even before any of us knew that Prof. Dumbledore was gay, I think that we can agree that his character would never have approved of mistreating or abusing others or thinking ill of others.”

Well, he was willing to let Harry die, but, you know…

I still think that seeing as Dumbledore’s past history with Grindelwald was so important in DH, it should have been in the book. I’ve already thought of two different ways it could have fit in without sticking out like “Oh my God, stop the whole plot, Dumbledore’s gay!”, and I think that if Harry’s reaction hadn’t overshadowed the plot, the people for whom Dumbledore being gay did overshadow the plot would have had that as their problem and not the book’s.

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In general it’s a legitimate opinion, however, we’re not presenting sides of an issue here to determine whether it’s OK that JK Rowling says he’s gay. She does say he’s gay, and we’re not arguing that fact or trying to reach a public consensus. The issue isn’t whether he is, or whether it’s right – the issue is that he IS, and how to most responsibly handle that fact. If you can find a noninsulting way of responsibly handling that that is at odds with this viewpoint, then that’s OK. We’re not presenting an interview that says that homosexuality is wrong – that’s not the issue. We’re not trying to determine whether this was a right or moral choice for JKR to make: We are dealing with the fact that she made it, and how to responsibly handle that now.

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Marauder makes a very good point.

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Melissa, and all at Leaky, you just keep getting better! Thank you for having such a wonderful approach to all you do :)

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I don’t think that people who express prejudice against other people for being just what they are-for example, african american, female, lithuanian, or anything at all-can be said to have an opposing “viewpoint”. It’s not a point of view, it’s a negation of what another person is. To try to distinguish between a moral objection to homosexuality and a bigoted objection to homosexuals is contortionist pseudo-PC blather. In my opinion.

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Sorry about the strikethrough. I was trying for an em dash!

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It is heart warming to see how well Leaky (and Mugglenet) have handled the whole issue. Bravo well-done.

Someone requested ‘balance’ in the views expressed and Melissa addressed that directly with two comments.

To me there is ‘another side’ of the argument that has already been touched on, but I want to mention again and that is: once the book has been written and published it takes on a life of its own. It has grown up and moved away from home. Its parent, the author, needs to let go and move on.

If the author has not stated or implied something in the book itself then the reader is bound to fill in the blanks with their own imagination. The reader cannot be expected to have researched every interview with the author, so as to know the author’s own opinions on all aspects of their work.

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Melissa, Interviewing someone from one of the most militant gay rights groups on this site does in a sense constitute siding with them. It would be appropriate to at least interview someone like John Granger, Nancy Brown, or the folks at Sword of Gryffindor on this issue. I know to many stories about how GLAAD is not just advocating tolerance of gays but are trying to change the way people feel about their religion, their culture, etc. For some reason, only the Christian views are the “intolerant” ones and are not fit to be heard by anyone since they are not “PC”. What about tolerating other view points. Concerning the Dumbledore issue: I was suprised at first but I thought about it and it does make sense in the light of what we find out about him in DH. However, it seems that this was an obsessive infatuation (JK’s words) that lead to destruction (ie. Ariana’s death and his estrangement from his brother). Does Dumbledore see this relationship that he had in a good light? No, he doesn’t. He makes it very clear that he was very foolish and that he had abandoned his family to hatch plans for wizard domination with Grindelwald. This is supposed to be a celebrated gay relationship? A victory for gay rights? How? When an author finishes their work…they don’t own it anymore. It can be interpreted in any way that the reader wishes to. She has said in another interview that she didn’t mean for this information to come out in the books since it wasn’t relevant to the overall plot of the story. This is background information that helps the auther to understand the character’s motivations..nothing more. Since there is no mention of any homosexuality in the books..it can be interepreted that this wasn’t a “gay” relationship. In fact, an editorial for Time magazine has come out saying that this is hardly a victory for gay rights at all. But for this site to be fair and tolerant, I think you should have an interview with a Christian, preferably one who has read the books several times, who is a fan, etc to see what they think instead of only going to gay lobbying groups like GLAAD who have a clear political agenda.

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well i was honestly just shocked when i found out, but it wasnt bad shock, nor good..just shock! lol, but this doesnt matter to me, i mean, he’s still dumbledore!

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It is difficult for me to express in words the pride and joy I felt when I saw this interview. Really, there’s not much to be said that hasn’t been covered already. I agree that there is no “opposing viewpoint”; the interview expressed excitement and approval at the presence of another positive gay image. As Sean said, the core of their work is that words and images matter. What could be the opposing viewpoint to any of this article? I don’t understand how you can claim that posting just this isn’t fair. JKR said he was gay. Fact. Images and words matter in the perception of the subject. Fact. What would an opposing viewpoint be? Would we be asking for another viewpoint if JKR had said he was of a different race or religion?

Anyway, that’s been covered by Melissa here in the comments. Twice. I’m just writing to agree that yes, as a gay man, I find this revelation to be a positive one. I think much of the anger and agitation with it comes from the embedded idea that because he didn’t fall into a gay stereotype that it’s in some way deceitful or bad. Because Dumbledore isn’t Jack McFarland, he’s not the network approved, family-friendly gay. I agree with the statement that because we didn’t know, the fact is made more real.

His sexual orientation has no bearing on the quality of his character. He still made the decisions he made, spoke the wisdom of his years, and wielded the massive power he controlled. He was still incredibly human, and so much the better. I think, if anything, it’s a huge insight to how much more of his life included pain and loss. Jo was asked if he had ever deeply loved. She said yes… and it was a man. Which given the time he lived in and the outcome of that relationship makes him even more human than one could imagine.

Yes. I’m proud of this interview. I’m proud to work for a website (yup, I’m a staffer) that sees the importance of exhibiting a mature and educational way to present this material to its fans in such a way that hate and defamation can hopefully be curtailed. And if you’re really still wanting to get angry about this particular interview, well… homosexuals aren’t the only group of people with an organization watching their backs against defamation… and these other groups were openly represented in these books without anyone batting an eye.

-Josh

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What’s exactly the difference between not insulting/hating homosexuality and calling it amoral? Is being called amoral NOT an insult? Is it not hateful? “Oh you’re ok but this huge part of who you are is amoral and despicable.” How does that even work?

That said, I applaud Leaky on its responsible treatment of the entire situation. The GLAAD interview is exactly the type of thing that should be following this revelation.

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“being gay” is WRONG!-that’s still my oppinion no matter what this interview says! ...Dumbledore is sadly begining to lack style :( *So Albus will always remain straight in my head.

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Go straight Albus…Finally someone with DECENT morals! YAY!!!!!!!

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I quite agree!

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I don’t believe how harsh some of the mainstream media have been on this discovery. I’m from Napervillle, IL. We have an all-out party every release for a Potter book; the town literally gathers 40,000 people in a rally to celebrate it. Our local paper has really bit into this topic. www.napersun.com There is a blog down below that talks about the topic right away. MY Big Fat MOuth is the name of the blog.

I’ve already left my words.

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two headed boy,

do you honestly know what being hateful is? To call homosexual acts a sin is not hateful. I have been hearing on here and others that gays do not identify themselves by their sexuality but if you state an opinion that believes that homosexual acts are sinful then you are automatically considered hateful. Why is that? I guess its the case that gays do identify themselves soley by who they are attracted to. Otherwise, it wouldn’t bother them so much if someone says that it is sinful. That is what Christians, Muslims, some Jews, etc believe. It is not hateful to think that. What, are only certain views ok to express now? Only if it fits in with the “PC”, “tolerant” agenda? We all have a part of us that is prone to evil, to do wrong, etc. Some people believe that homosexual acts (note…I said ACTS…not the fact that the person is a homosexual) are sinful. Why can’t those who believe this express this opinion or are some opinions more tolerant than others..are more superior than others and therefore are not fit to be heard in a public forum. If we are going to go in this direction…watch out! The Harry Potter books should teach us that it is wrong to shut up certian groups of people because they don’t believe what society teaches and believes.

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Two-HeadedBoy, thes opinion that homosexuality is not moral does not hate the men who love men. it does say, that their deeds are wrong.

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Sure, if GLAAD is on the side of accepting this responsibly then I side with them and not with those promoting hate and intolerance instead. But again: We are NOT taking sides about whether it was right or wrong for JKR to put this out there. Some may, but this is not a “sides” issue. JKR didn’t ask us to make the decision for her – we are not trying to achieve consensus – we are not asking public opinion about whether it’s right or wrong. The fact is that Dumbledore is gay. How do we handle this responsibly? That’s the question. GLAAD (which is hardly militant) is experienced at handling that issue. That is why they were interviewed.

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just for you above, comments are not a place to debate (that’s what forums are for) but to say something about the article this relates to. This isn’t about anyone’s personal beliefs, but an interview from a respected organization regarding a character in the books we all love.

And its interivews like this that set Leaky apart from other fan sites, and make it the place news organizations go to.

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I find this whole thing so interesting. When I read that Jo said Dumbledore was gay, my first thought was, “what? Uh…where she getting that?” Now obviously it’s her world and if she say he’s gay then he’s gay. And what’s more, that information doesn’t change my love for the character at all. But what does surprise me is that people are cheering her for saying so. If I was part of the gay community, rather than cheer her, I would want to know why she didn’t say so in the books themselves? How can this be such an important thing when she didn’t even make it part of the actual books? It would have been very easy too – Rita could have discovered it when she dug around for her book. Or when Dumbledore had his heart to heart with Harry at the end he could have indicated it there. But months later? She throws out a “oh by they way, he’s gay”? I don’t see that as cause for celebration.

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And also to the one person who posted under six different names, and constituted all of the call for a religious right wing response, keep in mind impersonation is against our TOU. Thank you.

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Melissa, in fairness, you could have got someone else to interview than a gay lobbying group. That is what I am saying. I have only seen interviews on this issue from gay rights groups on this site and others and I feel that they should not be the ones to have the last say on this issue. I know that this site doesn’t like it..but this kind of debate has opened up a who can of worms and has caused a split within Harry Potter fandom. I love the books and I have defended them..as many other Christians have defended the books from others who have thought that the books advocated devil worship and who knows what. Adding this revelation to it is just going to stoke the fires further :(.

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I’m not personally gay and I do not think gay people define themselves by their sexuality; in fact, I never said they did. It is, however, still a part of who they are.

I think to call a homosexual amoral purely because of who they love is hateful. That’s just my opinion. You can put your quotes around tolerant like it’s a joke, or call it an “agenda” all you want, but that doesn’t make it any less intolerant. There is nothing wrong with being gay any more than there is something wrong with being straight.

Harry Potter teaches us to stand up against bigotry and intolerance. Those that call gay people amoral and bigots. If it is because of your beliefs, then your beliefs are bigoted.

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This is about how to deal with a gay character in media responsibly. That is GLAAD’s area of expertise. Find someone else with sufficient expertise other than a gay rights group, and we’ll be happy to speak to them.

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ha ha!

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two headed boy, what you have just said is very bigoted. You have painted a whole group of people with a very broad brush as being these “hateful” “bigoted” people. Why is that not a bigoted remark? So, you don’t think what you just said was “bigoted”? Calling homosexual acts sinful is not bigoted. It is what we believe. My beliefs are not hateful. I don’t hate gay people at all. I have worked with gay people, I have been friends with gay people. I don’t know how old you are or what you believe…but you should respect other people’s beliefs without calling them bigoted. That is wrong

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Melissa, I think that only seeing Dumbledore in light of his sexuality is short changing the character. This adds some motivation to his character, but nothing more and since it is not hinted at very well in the actual text then it is still open to interpretation because as much as JK Rowling doesn’t like to admit it…she doesn’t own it anymore. The books are out there for anyone to interpret now. Dumbledore is not portrayed as a gay character. His past relationship with Grindelwald is only hinted at in the last book. We can make inferences that he is gay by looking at everything but nothing more. I think that by only getting an interview with GLAAD makes what is an issue for literary interpretation into a political issue that honestly I don’t think Rowling was going for. That’s why I wondered why LC decided to interview a gay lobbying group.

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Very interesting article.Thank you for posting it for all of us to read TLC staff.I doubt that the article will have a huge impact on the issue but I am sure that it will make some people think.Even if it only makes 1 person think about tolerance it would have served it’s purpose.Melissa I do not know how old you are but you are well opinionated and do an excellent job with the site.Keep it up TLC staff :).Blessed be

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that should say, “only revealed in the last book. “

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Her lawyers would take severe issue with the question of whether JKR owns the books anymore. :)

Nothing in here infers that only seeing Dumbledore in light of his homosexuality is the right way to go. In fact we say quite the opposite.

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I have been watching this unfold for days, and I have to say that it hurts my heart to the core. More importantly, it hurts God’s.

I love my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ with all my heart, soul, and mind; and I do my best everyday to walk in that faith in order to show others how much Jesus loves them, wants to know them, and wants them to know Him.

Never in my walk with Christ have I – or will I EVER – tell someone, that because they love someone of the same sex, they are going to hell or unloved by God. Jesus would never say it. So neither will I.

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Thank you Leaky for doing this. Brillant idea for doing this interview. _

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Why should I respect beliefs that say that simply because an adult man loves another adult man their acts are shameful and amoral? Why should people have to give ideas like that credence? Do we do the same for racists and anti-semites? I guess we would if a book written thousands of years ago told us to. I’m not even saying you can’t have your beliefs. I’m just saying they’re bad beliefs to have as they shame an entire group of people who have done nothing wrong.

That’s all I have to say about that. Again, much respect to Melissa and Leaky as a whole. You guys are doing a great job.

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Melissa, I’m sure you know what I am refering to. Jk Rowling has written the books. They are published and so the literary interpretation can begin. To what extent that the author owns what she has written is in debate on some other sites that are dealing with this issue. She has said herself that the characters take on a life of their own and that they will be interpreted in so many different ways by different people. She choose not to reveal dumbledore’s sexuality in the books because it wasn’t relevant. This isn’t part of “canon” but extra canonical information that can be accepted or rejected by the reader. There are many things in her books that she may not have intended to be there. This is true with all literature.

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Two-headed boy: oh please…her we go again..”there is no need to respect Christian’s beliefs or anyone else’s that doesn’t jive with my own”, right? Think about what you are saying. Did I say anywhere that men loving other men is a sin? No. Do you have any idea what constitutes homosexual acts? Probably not and I am not going to say what they are here. We believe that the homosexual acts are sinful. Can’t there at least be some tolerance and respect for opposing beliefs? Especially if they are not PC and socially acceptable? I don’t agree with the beliefs of Hindus, Buddhists, Wiccas, etc but I do respect their beliefs. I don’t consider them hateful or bigoted. But its perfectly ok for people in general to riducule and disrespect Christian beliefs and to call us bigoted. Can’t you see that what you are doing is the same thing? That this is intolerant and bigoted? But I guess in your case as well as others, its fine…thats ok….we can ridicule Christians and their beliefs and shut them up by calling them bigoted just because our beliefs are different than what mainstream society believes.

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Thanks to this organization for so clearly answer. I don`t know why people feel so angry if dumbledore is Gay, I don`t think this affect any for the great fictional person he really is.

I think this will settled any argument about this subject.

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Rachel: You are generalizing homosexuals by assuming they all perform the same acts. Many of them are probably as disgusted of the thing I assume you’re thinking of as straight folks are (who, by the way, are not all innocent of the very same act, by any stretch of the imagination).

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Rowling’s “revelation” has left me feeling completely betrayed, angry, absolutely confused, deeply deeply hurt and sick to my stomach….literally. Why, JK, Why?

Why now….AFTER you cashed all the royalty checks? Are you so desperate for attention that you just had to come up with “just one more thing? just to keep you in the limelight?

Do I care? You bet! But I care about is the lies! Your omission lacks courage, character and honorability.

My first thought was that in the past, other young men were “inflamed”...about HITLER! Power breeds followers, history is full of examples other than your own example of Peter Pettigrew and others demonstrates.

To use the line of another author “With great power, comes great responsibility”. You failed in yours, JK and I, for one again feel as if you’ve betrayed us all in favor of keeping your name in the limelight.

Shame on you!

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Bratpack- you’re my kind of Christian. Thank you for not succumbing to the bigotry and hatefulness of others.

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GJ- she gave that interview in front of a packed house. She didn’t need the attention.

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Having read carefully every post above, these things seem quite clear -

1 – This is the most divisive topic (by far) that has ever been raised about our beloved world of Harry Potter; 2 – The fact that it plainly is so divisive should not escape the notice of those who would like to paint all of us who are deeply uncomfortable with the liberal consensus (as reflected with the above interview with the militant gay rites group) as being “religious nuts” or whatever. 3 – Melissa -It is your site (now more than ever) and you can use it to make whatever political points you wish, but if you invite debate, you should not react with scorn to that very great number of your long -time readers who are very, deeply shocked and saddened.

4 – Let me tell you how it has affected me. Do you remember the reason that JKR gave for killing off Hedwig ? She said that it was the final end of Harry’s childhood -his stuffed toy, if you like -he was now an adult and he (and the reader) had to be shocked out of their previous situation. For me, with the publication of the final book and now this (in my eyes) totally unnecesssary piece of information -AND now Leaky being used as a mouthpiece for gay rights, I feel as if I have been punched in the guts. It is as if -I am no longer wanted and the whole wonderful world of Harry Potter is now over.

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Thanks Melissa, GLAAD and TLC for this interview!

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Melissa, thank you for posting this interview, and also thank you for responding to some of the comments here—your presence seems to be helping to keep the conversation from spiraling out of control. Great job as always!

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ROONALD, sweety, there is no such thing as decent morals, obviously everybody would think of his own morals as decent. That why those are your morals in the first place.

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The beautiful irony behind all this is that we’ll now find people turning against Dumbledore because of his sexuality, who had otherwise loved him unequivocally beforehand, its not hatred of gays so much as it is their own homophobic disgust at themselves when they realise they’ve been so fond of a character that has turned out to be gay all along. I for one applaud Jo for revealing this wonderful secret about Dumbledore, I always had an inkling!

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M. Jones (just a question- not trying to attack) What in the last 2 books was so wonderful? They took such an adult, violent, and real turn it feels as though the wide eyed wonder has been gone for awhile. Why does this particular blow hurt so bad? I’m all for him being gay or whatever, but I’m trying to understand the opposition from someone rational.

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M Jones… wow. GJ… wow.

I’d be willing to bet that in front of thousands of people, when being asked a direct question about Dumbledore and love, that she came up with his sexual orientation on the spot to get more attention. I guess she did the same with the info about Neville and Hannah getting married.

And I fail to see how this interview makes Leaky a mouthpiece for gay rights. I guess I missed the hot button issues in the interview… gay marriage, right to adopt, the legality of intimate acts between same sex couples…

Oh, wait. They weren’t there. The article was about handling this information in a mature and non-hateful way. And that point seems to have been missed entirely.

If the fact that Jo had “always pictured [Dumbledore] as gay” honestly makes you distrust the series and a site that is promoting a mature approach to the material, then you really should re-evaluate your outlook on the entire world. If you honestly think you live a 100% gay-free lifestyle, you’re fooling yourself. You are severely fooling yourself. The oldest statistics say that Dumbledore is within 10% of the male population. That’s one out of every ten. We sell you clothes, we write you tickets, we act on your TV shows, we serve you food in restaurants, we do your taxes, we write your paychecks, we make your cars, we build your homes, we teach your kids, we put out your fires… if the background information on a fictional character upsets you that much, then I can’t imagine what life will be like for you when you start counting people in groups of ten and wondering which of them is gay.

-Josh

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Thanks for the interview it was interesting to see how the gay community is reacting to the news. :]

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Rachel saidL “instead of only going to gay lobbying groups like GLAAD who have a clear political agenda.”

Everyone has an “agenda”. EVERYONE. This idea that interviewing a Christian group would give you a view on this revelation that has no “agenda” is ridiculous. And why should they interview a Christian group about this? They didn’t interview a gay group when Jo talked about the Christian themes on the book.

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always_a_sidekick, the 10% statistics are based on one questionable poll, 50-60 years ago.

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Also, M Jones, so you know. As JKR said the books are a lesson in tolerance. We don’t appreciate angry comments any more than you do. So even if you don’t like what we have to say, you are welcome here.

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Someone-

That’s precisely my point. Do you honestly think that the number would be any less 50 or 60 years later? If it were, homosexuals would not be a part of mainstream television, movies, music, magazines, politics or in any way in the public eye at all.

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Yeah Melissa, why don’t you ask Fred Phelps, valiant preacher of the gospel that he is, for an interview just to be “Fair and Balanced”.

NOT! Just kidding!! (ducks the flying veggies).

This was a wonderful interview. Thanks GLAAD for taking the time to talk to us and thanks Melissa for contacting them!

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Thanks for the GLAAD perspective. That was really wise of you guys and much appreciated.

I’ve said this in the forums, and I’ll say this again here. If you think I am evil, amoral or otherwise inferior for being a gay woman and run into me at a con or other event, I really do hope you’ll say so to my face, because I suspect when you realize I’m a person pretty much exactly like you (example: my day was consumed by a broken toilet, my mother recovering from surgery and a sick cat—very banal, very not evil), it might be harder than you think to say it, and, hopefully, it may well encourage you to rethink your worldview.

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I also want the thank TLC for setting such a great example. This weekend has been a whirlwind of emotion. I have let myself get worked up and write things I regret. I’m sure there are others who feel the same way. TLC, however, has responded to the issues with respect and maturity. So, thank you for bringing order to this chaos. Hugs all around. -Sarah

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I find it most amusing that the smartest, character, the most intelligent, the better educated of the series is a homosexual.

Knowing that JK herself is heterosexual makes me smile.

What a curve!

That was well placed JK. What a lesson.

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You know, I’d love to read an interview from an opposing group so long as its not a religious one. A real arguement and not one that claims, “Cause God said so.”

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Thank you for posting a great interview. I hope Melissa does get the opportunity to interview Jo again and find out more from her about this topic. I’m very surprised that Jo never mentions (via Rita Skeeter or others) any anti-gay bias in the wizarding world, even though the pureblood/mudblood issue is at the heart of the story.

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Wow! I must say this was an amazing article. A lot of people don’t understand what this means to the story and Dumbledore. Thanks Leaky for thinking about it enough to do this interview!

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I wish we would have opinions from canon – no one wants to be insensitive and bigoted. But Dumbledore was in the closet and remained in the closet through the entire book and looked upon his past same sex attraction as something he regretted. We’re projecting onto Dumbledore our own wishes – but is that what the story actually says? No – Dumbledore is a good example of a the traditional Christian view, that acting out on gay feelings is immoral and Christians have choices not to follow on their desires if Scripture teaches that they are immoral. If we look at what Book VII shows us, Dumbledore appears to have come to the same conclusion since his own infatuation (and that was what it was – like Harry’s infatuation of Cho, only with horrific results). It’s not the fact that Dumbledore may struggle with homosexual attractions, but what he did with it – and I have to say, Rowling treats it from a traditional Christian point of view. That’s why I raise whether those who advocate gay lifestyles have actually read the books (Melissa’s interview appears to illustrate that this particular person has not – but please, correct me I am mistaken). I don’t think that if some who may want to live an outed and active lifestyle – well, Dumbledore is NOT their guy. For what we know from the books, Dumbledore lead a chaste and celibate life. But this is from the stories themselves – I do wish we’d discuss it from the stories and not what we wish it might be. Do you see what I mean?

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Great article!

Melissa, so that wasn’t multiple people, just multiple personalities? LOL!

I actually liked the way we probably wouldn’t have guessed that Dd was gay. Like someone said, it was more realistic, and his sexual orientation wasn’t what he or the books were about. No where in the books is sex ever mentioned, or even sexual relationships, just various kinds of relationships. Budding romance and the feelings that go with it, but not sex. Even the mention about Dd’s relationship with Grindelwald was about feelings, not any ‘act’.

It can be seen as ‘how would we respond to the revelation that a loved one/relative was gay?’ There’s no reason to love or respect that person any less. They’re still the same wonderful person! Shouldn’t you love them for who they are, not who they bed? ...and when sex is in no way involved, what does it matter? In fact, when sex isn’t involved, doesn’t that make the love all the purer, albeit misplaced in this case.

I don’t get the argument that one can accept another as being gay, but not the ‘acting on it’. Can heteros act as who we are, but not allow homosexuals to do the same?

I’m with you, Bratpack, that’s what true Christianity should be about! You are a rare rose among an increasing number of thorns! You are the example others should see, not the vocal majority that scares them away! Kudos!

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I honestly think this whole subject is being blown out of proportion, and I don’t think Jo wanted it to be, judging by the way she told us Dumbledore was a homosexual, so honestly and matter-of-factly; then moved on. Remember people, this is a book, a work of fiction. It’s being taken too seriously, and I don’t think GLAAD should have gotten involved, either. It seems as though the gay rights groups are now going to think this is a huge victory for them.

I agree with what Rachel is saying here, about being “tolerant”. If Leaky wants to be tolerant, they should also interview a Christian who has read Harry Potter, and get their take on this whole thing. When it comes to Harry Potter and other such controversial issues, Christians are generally portrayed at hate-mongers and such because of what we beleive, but the truth of the matter is, Christianity is an “intolerant” faith. It is. We only have one God, and a certain lifestyle that does not tolerate certain things, homosexuality being one of them. I don’t want this to be a sermon, so I’ll stop here.

Anyway, I’m really confused as to why Jo told us about Dumbledore being a homosexual AFTER the book had been published. I honestly think she should have included it in Deathly Hallows or not at all. I don’t like or respect Jo - or Dumbledore, for that matter- any less because of it, but it is a bit saddening and dissapointing to me. It seems as though she was trying to diversify the characters even more, as if she though “Hey, why don’t I throw in a homosexual character too?”.

Also, I actually wonder if Dumbledore was really still a homosexual by the time Deathly Hallows came around, or if his infatuation with Grindlewald was just a one time thing. Like, did he have any more loves after Grindlewald? And also, did Grindlewald reciprocate the feelings? I doubt it.

Bratpack, what a great testimony!

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I would like to thank Rachel for her view-point, and wish to respond. I am a gay Chrstian, who is a HUGE HP fan. This was a victory for gays, straights, and everyone else. It proved that it doesn’t matter who you love, or what your orientation is, what matters is how much we can change the world for the better. JKR shows us that Dumbledore sacrificed a relationship with another man, in order to defeat evil. God Bless.

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I don’t know, Mary. Maybe we do have only one God, but if thats the case, he was the god of people long before Christianity came around and homosexuality has existed since man evolved- earlier if you count the fact that animals sometimes practice homosexuality as well. What happened to all those people before God sent Christianity to oppose it? Did they go to hell for acting on the only nature they knew? Why is it that God suddenly become so intolerant when Jesus came to earth. Jesus was supposed to promote love and understanding.

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I am a huge Harry Potter fan who has just heard the news of Jo Rowling’s announcement. How could she do this? It almost ruins the series for me and I wish I could turn back time and make it so I nevr heard this sad fact.

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Great work. Thanks, Melissa!

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Mary: “I agree with what Rachel is saying here, about being ‘tolerant’. If Leaky wants to be tolerant, they should also interview a Christian who has read Harry Potter, and get their take on this whole thing.”

Wh>? Why is a Christian’s viewpoint any more relevant than an Athiest’s, or a Muslim’s, or a Buddhist’s?

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For Jhon Granger’s thoughts on the issue, go here:

http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=198

It is a very good post.

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ZoeRose:

I hear ya, pal. To be blunt, I think the way Jo’s dealt with this whole issue is pretty crappy; from the months-later revelation to the fact that, when you get down to it, what’s actually IN the books is hardly a ringing endorsement of the positives of homosexuality…

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Joy, the Bible says that God created man. The first man, Adam. I really hate to bring up this cliche, but “God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve”. God gave the law to the Israelites (in Numbers and Dueteronomy, I beleive) and there was a law that said not to practice homosexuality. The Bible is explicitly clear on this, and this is what I beleive. Yes, Jesus promoted love and understanding, but he didn’t promote things against God’s law.

I don’t want to get into a debate with you on Christianity. This is what I believe, and it’s not my fault if you have a problem with it.

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Fenm, I’m not saying that a Muslim’s or Buddist’s viewpoint is less relavant, but as Christians seem to be the ones with the most complaints about Harry Potter, why not get their take? I haven’t heard any Muslims complaining…?

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Nice interview.

I don’t mind that he’s gay. Truth be told, I don’t care, although it kind of justifies his actions regarding Grindelwald a little more as well as his knowledge of love. I did wonder why he knew so much about love but had so little evidence of it.

(...you know, I actually wondered if Voldemort was gay… this based solely on the fact he didn’t ‘use’ Bellatrix.)

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Not trying to debate Mary just wondering what you thought. Oh and if you can clear this up: What does the bible say about dinosaurs? How does it explain creatures that existed 65mil years before man when the world was- according to the bible- created in a week?

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GLAD? Aren’t those the people attacked Jerry Lewis for making an innocent joke about a made-up gay person very late into a telethon? You know those telethons he has putting on for over 40 years to help kids with Muscular Dystrophy? Yep, he’s an evil one alright.

This was an opinion piece – Sean Lund’s opinion was that this was a great achievement for mankind. Now let’s hear from someone who is devastated by the decision.

The reason that will never happen is because EVERYTHING is taken as an insult by gay groups. Even if you simply disagree with them they you are a “bigot”, or “hateful”. Just read the comment boards and you can see that.

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ZoeRose: I think you make an interesting point. However, you call Dumbledore’s love of Grindelwald an “infatuation” but that’s not necessarily true, is it? Rowling said he “fell in love with Grindelwald” not that he “became infatuated.”

You also say that Rowling treats it from the traditional Christian standpoint, but I think here you’re guilty of the same thing you’re opposing. I could just as easily say Dumbledore refrained from discussing his sexuality, etc. because he was just too wounded from the situation with Grindelwald. That said, your viewpoint was eloquent and reasonable.

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Roger,

Jerry Lewis’ remarks would have been unacceptable if made in a racial or religious context. Why should they be acceptable in a context based on who one chooses to have romantic affection for?

If you wonder why any group is “sensitive,” it’s just generally because it hurts more to be kicked in the same place twice, than once. And I think we all know it’s a whole lot more than twice.

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God does not approve of the homosexual lifestyle. The cities of Sodom and Gomoarah are a testimony to that fact. I am a Harry Potter fan. I am no longer a Dumbledore fan.

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Clay,

Your God and my God, or at least your understanding of God and my understanding of God (and, as an aside, my understanding of the history of Biblical translation on that matter) have a difference of opinion there.

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Odd that everyone assumes Dumbledore was in the closet. We don’t know that he was. Perhaps he, like every other Professor except Lupin, did not discuss his home life with his students because it’s not something you generally discuss with your students.

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Beautiful article.

Thank you for posting this.

I hope everyone learns to be a little more tolerant.

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Great interview Leaky, I think this was very much needed! :)

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So all the jokes out there about a priest, a rabbi and a lawyer walking into a bar are insensitive and hurtful? Of course not. It’s the same think with the Jerry Lewis comment.

Sure, gay folks have every reason to be sensitive, and it is a sad truth that there are people in the world who would wish them harm. That is not an excuse for them to go on the offensive if the word ‘gay’ is used in anything but the most positive possible light.

How many people on these boards have had pages and pages of hate thrown at them from the gays simply because they stated a negative opinion of JKR outing Dumbledore? Worse, how many comments have been DELETED for simply stating an opinion?

And while I’m ranting, I’m really sick of all the religious talk here too. If you don’t agree with homosexuality then have the courage to say so on your own – there is no need to quote scripture to justify your opinion. As far as religion goes, everyone is entitled to their own.

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Was JK Rowling afraid to disclose this revelation early on. I say she was because you can bet that a lot of us would not have bought these books had we known she was going to do this. I certainly will not spend any more of my money on anything with her name on it.

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I don’t see why this has become such a big issue. It’s not that big of a deal. Dumbledore was a great character before we found out about this interesting detail about his past and he’s just an even more interesting character now that we know. It hasn’t changed anything for me.

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Little Me: Odd that everyone assumes Dumbledore was in the closet. We don’t know that he was. Perhaps he, like every other Professor except Lupin, did not discuss his home life with his students because it’s not something you generally discuss with your students.

That’s a good point. And the story is centered on Harry Potter. I don’t think he would’ve been that interested in those details of Dumbledore’s life.

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Mary said:

“Joy, the Bible says that God created man.”

Not everyone believes in the Bible.

“God gave the law to the Israelites (in Numbers and Dueteronomy, I beleive) and there was a law that said not to practice homosexuality.”

Leviticus, 18:22, and 20:13.

“The Bible is explicitly clear on this, and this is what I beleive. Yes, Jesus promoted love and understanding, but he didn’t promote things against God’s law.”

True. So why do some Christians eat shrimp and bacon?

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Well Cathy Smith, how about you go somewhere and tell people who actually care because we don’t. The people on this site actually like Harry Potter and respect JK Rowling. So that means you don’t belong here.

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i really think this is a typical narrowminded american discussion, im from the netherlands and on our forums it doesn’t even excist it’s just accepted and doesn’t change a thing!!the people who complain about gay people here don’t read that much if you know what i mean.

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Again, if this ‘devastated’ person has some special expertise on how to be responsible about accepting this fact, we’d be happy to interview them. We’re not asking for a referendum on whether it’s right or wrong, and neither is JKR. We have this fact, and have now to deal with it: how to do so responsibly is what’s at issue. The fact of one being devastated doesn’t make them an expert on that topic.

I am no expert on the Bible, by the way, but I believe it also says you can’t touch the skin of a dead pig or work on the Sabbath or wear threads with different fibers or a lot of other things that people, even religious ones, regularly do now. Interpretation is just that.

Thanks, all, for your respectful tone here as compared to some other places around the site in response to this issue. I appreciate it.

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In light of all the bashing of Dumbledore, I thought I would post this quote from JKR:

“It’s certainly never been news to me, that a brave and brilliant man could love another man.”

If you don’t like Dumbledore being gay, fine, you don’t have to like it, but don’t use Jesus to justify your hate and/or homophobia.

People were murdered throughout the series for not being pure-blood (normal), and yet so called fans are upset that Dumbledore is gay… Really, isn’t that just a detail? It does not define him as a person, and yet, he now lays before your judgment. A bit Hypocritical???

As a Christian, I implore the small minded poster’s, open your mind, and get a life.

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Mr. Lund was quite eloquent, wasn’t he? A little redundant, but still—eloquent. And what he had to say was especially interesting because he’s so familiar with the books.

Thanks, Leaky, for finding someone so well qualified to discuss this subject from one very relevant perspective.

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I find it unfortunate that there are HP readers who now appreciate these fantastic books less because of the recent mention by JKR that Dumbledore is gay. I would have hoped that with all of the lessons of acceptance and love that are wound through the series, fans of HP would react much better to this situation.

All that anyone is being asked to do here is to respect the opinions of others. If you feel that homosexuality is wrong, then don’t be homosexual yourself. If you feel Christian beliefs make no sense, don’t be a Christian and don’t subscribe to those beliefs. A person’s sexuality does not affect anyone else. Have some respect.

When I am older and read the HP books to my children, I will answer every question they have about anything in the story, including anything about the characters’ sexuality, and teach them to accept and celebrate the differences between themselves and others. I hope that my children will never know the intolerance that some of you have for other people and ideas.

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Some christians are just navis and Klu Klux Klan hiding behind the bible and pretending they love God, because deep down they know they’re horrible people and they know that they will go to hell if they pretend to be christians.

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Rachel and M Jones make extremely valid points regarding this issue and the interview Leaky did with GLAAD. It is one thing to present the “tolerant” side of the issue when reality suggests that those who call for tolerance do not want to tolerate or accept the opposing viewpoint.

The unfortunate problem is that some of the people who are posting here and feel homosexuality is not morally acceptable, are using hateful and hurtful language to try to make their point.

The opposing side is just as wrong to dismiss those views as “close-minded” or “homophobic” while maintaining they have more compassion.

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Whether or not Dumbledore was gay, played no obvious part in the stories. I think it’s great that Jo Rowling chose not to reveal it until now, as we all got used to him, just as himself, with no extraneous layer of “judgement”. Anyone who has a problem with it now, really needs to ask themselves why it’s important, what possible relevance could it have? Not a single word in the books has changed - Dumbledore is still as noble and flawed a person as ever. Apparently no one at Hogwarts has made an issue of it either - which is how things should be in our muggle world too.

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Some christians are just nazis and KKK hiding behind the bible and pretending they love God, because deep down they know they’re horrible people and they know that they will go to hell if they DON’T pretend to be christians.

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I am a woman, an African-American, a Christian, and a heterosexual. I say this so you will know where I’m coming from.

I have seen racism my entire life and I know how terribly hurtful it is. If you have ever had a slur hurled at you because of your gender, ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference, then you should understand just how insidious any sort of bigotry is.

Nowadays, it is acceptable in many circles to be a homophobe. Some people say that Gays have become the new “n__”. I understand the subjugation Gays have to deal with and I am enraged by it. I understand the subtle and not so subtle offenses heaped upon them every day.

Slave masters kept their slaves away from books and other society because they understood what knowledge could lead to. Slave masters feared their slaves just as many people now fear Gays. That kind of fear leads to bigotry and bigotry invariably leads to discrimination. It has happened throughout human history. The only thing required to sustain bigotry – ignorance.

I’ve never been a bible thumper, but I do believe in “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Homophobia should not be tolerated in any society which dares to call itself civil.

It is NOT OK to preach hate on Leaky or anywhere else. It is NOT OK to call homosexuality an abomination or immoral. It is NOT OK to call homosexuals child molesters. It is NOT OK to offer passages from the Bible as justification for one’s bigotry. It is NOT OK to tell people “God will judge you” when we all know what you mean to say is “God will judge you HARSHLY”.

Bigotry is NOT OK. IT HURTS.

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KB Prez, I completely agree.

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celia if you pretend to be a christian you don’t really believe so you wouldn’t believe in hell

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GO JO AND KB PREZ! Those were the two best pro-gay rants I have ever heard!

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Why do people always say Adam and Steven? why cant it be Adam and Jason or Eve and Veronica.

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KB Prez—

Amazing.

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I’m not sure why some people are reacting so negatively about Prof. Dumbledore’s sexual orientation.

There have been plenty of well-known, real people who have been lesbian, gay, and bisexual throughout history including: Alexander the Great, Jane Addams, St. Augustine, Susan B. Anthony, Katherine Lee Bates (who wrote America The Beautiful for her female partner of 25 years), Michelangelo Buonarroi, Leonardo Da Vinci, Emily Dickinson, David and Jonathon (from the Old Testament), King Edward II, King James I, Anna Freud, King Richard the Lionhearted, Florence Nightingale, Saints Serge and Bacchus (who were joined in a holy Union), Eleanor Roosevelt, William Shakespeare, Bessie Smith, Socrates, Gertrude Stein, Alice Walker, King William II and King William III just to name a few.

My partner and I learned about these people while doing research for our book “How To Be A Happy Lesbian: A Coming Out Guide.”

We have a very large website with over 1,000 free resources for lesbian and bisexual women worldwide—especially women who are coming out. Included in these resources is a free support group for women who are coming out as lesbian or bisexual.

This group has over 750 members, and we provide free support for any woman who needs it. If you are a woman who is coming out, and you need support please visit our website:

http://www.amazingdreamspublishing.com

Sincerely,

Tracey

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KB Prez, that was a really excellent response to many of the comments here. Thank you. Really, you can use the Bible to justify anything. It just takes out of context quotes, or verses from Leviticus that detailed archaic Jewish laws. I really don’t care about this piece of news at all. It didn’t change my perspective, and I think it is unfortunate that the HP series is ruined for some people.

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ivo, i’m not that religious, but i mean some of these people that pretend they are christians just annoy me.

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there doesn’t seem to be any viewpoints other than favorable. Either that or they are all being deleted so that that only one side shows. As for me, I feel betrayed by JKR. I will not read another word she prints. Gay and lesbianism is a deviant lifestyle, the practicing of which is unacceptable in any Christian society. For JKR to come out after all the books have been printed and sold and made this statement is unfair to the readers who have made her a millionaire many times over.

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KB Prez: I am touched by your humanity. The world is a better place when it is filled with people like you. All the best.

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@emerald:I’m christian and i have no problem with homosexuals or anyone else. so don’t speak for every christian that’s not your place.

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right you are celia!! i’m not religious at all and i don’t hope i insulted you but just wanted to say that they hide behind it but don’t believe at all.

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Okay, i got you. that’s what i meant when i said that. those people annoy me sooo much. but like umbridge said, “Deep down they know they deserve to be punished.” hehehe.

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I am a Roman Catholic, and the revelation that Dumbledore is gay has not fazed me at all. True, the OLD Testament of my Bible claims that it is wrong, and sinful, but the NEW Testament has the words, “Love one another as I have loved you”.

Sadly, sometimes prejudices are inherited with beliefs. It makes me feel extremely disappointed and frustrated that people focus on one little part of the Bible. If that is the case, my dear right-wing Christians, why on earth do you read Harry Potter? The Old Testament says, “thou shalt not suffer a witch to live”.

But again, this is all from the OLD TESTAMENT. Evolve your beliefs, learn some tolerance and realise that hatred and anger in this issue will not resolve anything, or make you feel any happier.

I think Dumbledore is all the more interesting now that I know he is/was gay, and as a previous, very insightful, poster mentioned, Dumbledore would have suffered for his orientation due to the time in which he lived. This has coloured his tolerance, influenced how he treats people and overall made him the person he was when we read the books and all thought he was completely brilliant. It shows just WHY the man was so compassionate, so resolute and indeed, so Machiavellian.

If Dumbledore were straight, would he be the great wizard he grew to be? Or would he have been stuck at home taking care of his poor sister all his life, married and never risen to be the greatest headmaster of Hogwarts?

Dumbledore never gave up, even on the people society turned their backs on. He never once stopped believing that love would be what would overcome the evil in Riddle’s soul, and it was love that made him trust Severus Snape.

This is similar to Christ, who helped Mary Magdalene, who healed the lepers, and never once judged people for what they’ve done, or what they are, but loved them for who they are!

You Christians, learn to be more like your Christ and treat people with dignity and tolerance!

I am proud to be a non-bigoted Catholic, proud to support Dumbledore, and proud to support JK Rowling for giving us Harry Potter, Dumbledore and all the others.

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Superb Leaky, really superb. It makes me very proud to be a Harry Potter fan when you guys conduct this kind of insightful, intelligent and sensitive interview. It’s journalism of an exceptionally high standard and I’m incredibly impressed. Thank you Sean, thank you Melissa.

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“To me there is ‘another side’ of the argument that has already been touched on, but I want to mention again and that is: once the book has been written and published it takes on a life of its own. It has grown up and moved away from home. Its parent, the author, needs to let go and move on.”

I’m with you, SeaJay. I see lots of evidence for Dumbledore being in love with Grindelwald in DH, but I think it was important that we knew that and that it should have been clear in the book. Dumbledore’s relationship with Grindelwald sheds light on a lot of his actions, just like Snape’s relationship with Lily sheds light on a lot of his actions. Did JKR leave the question of whether Snape loved Lily up for debate? No, because it was important. Dumbledore is as important as Snape and his past was a large part of DH, especially the whole summer with Grindelwald.

It really wouldn’t have been that hard to add one little thing that let us know that Dumbledore was in love with Grindelwald. I wrote up a little possible scenario. Dumbledore and Harry are in that afterlife train station:

“I was frustrated with my family responsibilities,” Dumbledore said. “I was desperate to feel as important as I had at school, I was taken with Grindelwald’s ideas, I was in love – “

“You were in love?” Harry said, confused.

Dumbledore looked at him and suddenly he understood.

“Oh,” he said, feeling stupid. “I didn’t know that you and Grindelwald – “

“It felt as though we were compatible in every way,” Dumbledore said. “Until the day that – that Ariana died…”

See? Not a huge deal, but now we get it. Or the letter to Grindelwald that Harry reads could have ended “I love you, [signed] Albus”.

On a different note, I think it’s important for us to acknowledge Dumbledore’s flaws as a person and not just emphasize all of his good qualities so we can show how he’s a positive gay character. Dumbledore is a great person in a lot of ways, but like JKR said he can be manipulative and Machiavellian. And I like that, in relation to his being gay, because he has flaws like everyone else.

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To those arguing for an interview with “an alternative viewpoint”: Should Leaky also interview someone who thinks HP leads to Satanism? Someone who opposes “race-mixing” (blood-purity is a big topic in the books, after all)? How about someone who would have problem with one of Harry’s friends being Black?

The books raise a lot of topics some people oppose, yet this is the first time I’ve seen anyone saying that that opposing view should be given a forum here.

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Morals are not universal.

Acceptable behavior is not universal.

What’s tolerated and what’s not is not universal.

So there’s not going to be consensus.

Depending on where you grew, what religion you profess or believe, and your own experiences you will have some set of values.

Tolerance is good, but ultimate tolerance is the same as indifference. You will only tolerate things that match your moral values and since those are not universal then there you go.

Homosexuals are the IN thing at the moment. Everyone is coming out and the gay-er the better. So it’s being accepted, it has happened before in other cultures and times until some new order/religion/culture has made it amoral again and then it’s not ok.

For most people in the world executing criminals is amoral/disgusting. Yet in some states it’s still the Law. Is it amoral?

Anyway. I think that to talk or discuss about morals, values, religion, is a moot point as different groups understand them differently. Who can say who has the moral high ground?.

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Dumbledore being gay should have been in the book. It makes the reason/motivation behind not going after G more understandable. It was important to that story just as snape’s love for lily was important in his motivation to protect harry. There were hints for snape loving lily in the books, and it was 100% clear in DH. Dumbledore’s love for G, and how that blinded him was not in the book. Why? I would still feel the same if G was a woman. This info was not some little extra info like what was jame’s job was, etc. So I’m left with the question why jo didn’t give little hints in the books, and didn’t make it clear in DH.

She was either was too coward to put the info in the book, or if she really thought it was not necessary, then she is not much of a good author.

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There was someone on here that was upset with the books because he or she thought that JKR was against interracial relationships because none of the interracial relationships in the book were successful. and i thought that was a load of bullcrap. i mean i think some people just like drama so they just try to make a problem where there isn’t one in the first place. they look to deeply into things or some of them are just ignorant and don’t look at all, they just jump to stupid conclusions.

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First, another thank you to Melissa, for her very patient effort to be gentle and to guide this discussion into a calmer tone.

Second, may I plead for perspective here, and for a call to reality?

I’ve just finished watching the nightly news, coming out of a major city here on the east coast of the US. Let’s see… ...the city I live near is suffering under a staggering surge in murders, violence (especially against women and children) and drugs. ...southern California is burning ...the US is involved in a war that appears to have no foreseeable end and at a staggering cost (note i am not saying anything about justified or not, simply stating what is now accepted by all political parties and opinions) ...Darfur is witnessing a continuing genocide, with women and children again bearing the brunt of the violence ...Pakistan appears to be on the verge of civil war (and there are nucleur weapons there folks!) ...the Congo has collapsed into civil war, again ...Bengla Desh is still reeling from half of the country being underwater because of monsoons, and tens of millions of people remain displaced

Should I go on? Oh, I forgot global warming, sorry…

Please put the “Dumbledore Revelation” into perspective, regardless of your position. He’s a fictional character folks, JKR’s tidbit is mildly interesting but really has very little to do with the story line. In fact, there has not been a single mention that I have noticed about how the relationship between Dumbledore and Grndelwald does play a role in the overall story (ie, at their 1945 duel)!

This isn’t The History Boys, there is no ambivalence toward Dumbledore because of his sexual orientation.

Again, I can think of a good dozen questions based on the books I would rather have JKR answer than go on with this discussion…

Has anyone asked JKR yet what the core of the Elder Wand is? What happened to Dung? What happened to Kreacher? Where did Harry and Ginny end up living? Were Lily and James hiding in the Dumbledore home in Godric’s Hollow? What happened to Fudge? (I like to think he escaped when Voldy took over, and was hiding with the Muggle Prime Minister, who looks like Tony Blair…) and many more….

In brief, to all of you have been online and involved all day, please take a break. Go spend time with your loved ones. Pet your dog, play with your cat. Savor a good meal. Stand outside and look at the sky, and appreciate how beautiful the world can be.

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Personally, I think it was totally unnecessary to “out” Dumbledore. It serves no useful purpose other than to be provacative, to pander to liberal thinking ‘secular progressives’ (who dominate Europe already, and are making devastating inroads in the U.S.) and to jump on the “politically correct” bandwagon. The announcement does not advance the HP series in anyway, and only serves to be a divisive point among fans. Jo should’ve (IMHO) taken the same tack as when she answered the question from the 8 year old girl about Aberforth’s ‘goat charms’, i.e., give a ‘non-answer’ that protects childrens’ innocence and yet leaves room for adult speculation. Seems that no one, not even JKR, and resist using the ‘bully pulpit’, having achieved fame and fortune, to make ‘politically correct’ statements and shove them down people’s throats. Pity. (YMMV)

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The main problem here is that there are too many people spewing words they have heard spoken about the Bible without having read the Bible and thereby understood what they were reading.

Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed because they were homosexual. They were destroyed because they were wicked. They wanted to have sex with the angels whether the angels wanted to have or not. That is considered rape.

Someone asked the question about those quote Leviticus and then still eat shrimp and pork. That is actually a very good question. I will tell you why. It’s because of New Testament scripture that unlearned Christians think they can eat the foods that the Old Testament once told them was wrong. This is incorrect. The Bible does not contradict itself they way many people believe. Those foods are still not supposed to be eaten. But because people WANT to eat them, they will use other scriptures to support what they want.

The same is true about the Sabbath. Keeping the Sabbath is actually one of the Commandments. But because Sabbath keeping marked one as a Jew, early Christians (Catholics) began to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. Does this mean we no longer have to keep the Sabbath? No. But ask any Christian (Protestant) who worships on Sunday, and they will tell you that the New Testament did away with the Sabbath. This is not true. You can ask any Catholic about why they worship on Sunday and they will tell you.

The same is true about homosexuality. Yes, there are several verses that state that a man should not sleep with a man. But there is a reason and a context under which those statements were being made. The Bible also says that we should not fornicate – have sex without marriage; or commit adultery – have sex with someone else’s husband or wife; and yet those things are still done. There are support group out there for unmarried women with babies. Is this wrong? Divorce is rampant in the country; but is anyone out there trying to lynch divorce lawyers? No.

The point is that Jesus said to go forth and preach His kingdom; the one that is coming, not the corrupt one that is already here. This means walking His life and speaking in Love. Telling the world about the Love of Christ. I don’t care who you love; but I know the fact that you CAN love is paramount. Telling someone that the way they were born or that their sexual preference is wrong is NOT preaching the Love of Christ. This will not lead anyone to Christ. And it is NOT what He wanted those who love HIM to do! So stop worrying about who someone has sex with and start preaching about the LOVE of CHRIST like HE told you to do. Let HIM worry about the rest of it. Let HIM do the sorting out!

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When we read books, and that includes the Harry Potter novels, our own cultures and backgrounds affect how we interpret the characters and story. Whether the interpretations are right or wrong, I can’t say. I think, the passionate reactions this news has created says more about where the readers are coming from, then what JKR intended.

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I’d rather be a good person a good Christian any day.

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Ok…I didn’t want to post really long comments, so my two cents on Dumbledore are in my blog here: http://12amusings.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/dumbledore/

And my two cents on Christianity and Homosexuality are here: http://12amusings.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/neither-judge-nor-jury/

~Debbie

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To Bratpack: let me add my congratulations to you on being a REAL Christian. To Tracey: just to clarify one thing…It is my understanding that Alice Walker is bi, not gay. And to those of you who are saying you don’t want to be HP fans anymore: we don’t really need you, so buh-bye! :)

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The Leaky’s involvement in this development has been wonderful and I hope the relevation helps promote tolerance worldwide.

It was also nice to see Willow/Tara from Buffy mentioned, although I have to say that however she was eventually labeled, Willow’s actions showed her to be bisexual as opposed to unilaterally gay. She fell in love with at least two men and apparently experienced strong desire for them (although I agree Tara was her soulmate).

Anyway, good job, Melissa and crew!

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Go Dumbledore :)!

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to all the people telling those with other veiwpoints to leave the fandom-hows that tolerence?

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iamminerva – how are u an authority on what a real christian is? im a real christian even though i disagree with u.

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Excellent interview with clearcut questions and clearcut answers. I hope this interview helps those who are somewhat confused by the revelation and not sure what to think about gay people or indeed about Dumbledore.

I will admit in my younger days, I was more ignorant and oblivious to certain things – homosexuality was one of them. Having not met any gay people, I had a somewhat negative view of them. i felt it was just wrong. But then through gradual education, and meeting some, I realised my foolishishness. There are gay people, there are straight people. There are indians, there are africans. There are Californians, there are New yorkers. There are good gay people, there also bad ones. There are good hetrosexuals as well as bad ones. Everyone have their own characteristics. Being gay or not, is just one of them. Thats all.

So its articles like this which helps to educate and shed light on those who are uncertain. Perhaps if I read this while I was that ignorant young fella, I may have started to think sooner (which was not something I did frequesntly)

Leaky didnt need to take this kind of initiative but they have and kudos to them for doing so.

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Ya know, one thing i have come to dislike about US culture is the impossibility of having a reasoned, polite discussion. The solution, regardless of anyone’s position, is to state your piece, and don’t engage in angry conversations with those that disagree. sad, but true. and this discussion unfortunately has demonstrated the necessity of not engaging in meaningful conversations

for this to stop, those of you engaging in angry monologues must stop. please, stop

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Rev. Fred Phelps calls himself a Christian. He quotes the same scriptures as have been mentioned here. He holds the same beliefs, he’s just more vile and outspoken, HOPEFULLY, than most. But not getting as outright evil as Phelps doesn’t put anyone who shares his same beliefs in any better light in my book.

Here’s a link to the Anti-Defammation League website regarding the righteous Reverend:

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.asp

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I find it interesting that my comments were not posted. It shows where this forum is leaning too.

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Melissa, I hope this interview will help those HP fans who are struggling with the news of DD. I feel sad for those who can’t accept, who feel betrayed, who feel angry, who feel lost. It is a terrible place to be in to have all these strong emotions about something only to know that they, eventually, will lose their voice as more and more people see the simple truth that fiction is just a mere reflection of what is already present in the world. There will always be people who are gay and there will always be characters that are gay. It is an awful lot of wasted anger and rage at something that cannot be changed. So for all the hatefulness, outrage, etc. coming from these people, I think the responsibility of everyone else is to feel sorry for them because they only corner themselves in a box. These people will never live satisfied, well-rounded lives because their world is just to small to allow for differences.

Yes folks, even in fandom you will always have Malfoys. Even Dumbledore would feel sorry for them.

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To KB Prez, you have been a voice of reason in a very difficult world the last few days. Lord knows I’ve tried to get my point across, but I haven’t been able to do it as eloquently as you have.

Bratpack, thank you for represently the Christian faith with honesty and bravery. I think every Christian needs to study the history of their faith and figure out the context in which every rule and story is written in. Otherwise, you’re just blindly following. If God didn’t want you to think for yourself, he wouldn’t have given you free will and brain.

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well all I have to say is I love the news and am happy with the news that DD is gay.

This interview doesn’t tell me anything I need to know or don’t all ready know – not that I don’t have anything to learn about tolerance, everyone has room to grow in that area – but I all ready knew that it doesn’t change the most important stuff about Dumbledore – that he was a very talented Wizard who was also a good man, tolerant, kind, and giving, and a good mentor to Harry. For anyone who doesn’t know the issues touched on in this interview, or just wanted to see a supportive and tolerant response to the news that DD is gay in a way that fits with JK’s meaning for to book itself, well I’m proud of their decision to get put this interview out there. Maybe if society can change and grow a little more then every interview GLAAD has won’t have to start with “gay people are all different, they can be just like anyone else…most of us are frighteningly normal and even most of the ones that aren’t “normal” are great people and get criticized for things that wouldn’t even be questioned if they were straight” Prejudice against gay people is very much like prejudice against people of different races, very similar experiences. But so many people don’t know that, so they have to keep reiterating it in every circusmtance and never get the chance to go beyond it. The only way I see to go beyond it is to try and have that discussion with your gay friends and family and really try to get past the stereotypes with them.

I am sad that Dumbledore didn’t seem to have his romance work out, what seems to be his great love was also a cause of a lot of dissapointment. It does make for a compelling story but it’s very sad and even though DD was gay, and had a love, it was a tragic one and for all we know he lived a chaste life as a headmaster. Even if he had a relationship before or after Gridelwald, we don’t know how long any of them lasted and when, and so we’re left to believe that his only romantic love could’ve been a tragic one. People’s view of Dumbledore being so devoted to Hogwarts that he doesn’t have much room for a relationship could be very true – I always imagined he must have had a very colorful past to have learned all he learned but by the time Harry came around at least – indeed maybe even by the time he decides to duel his former love – he seems to be more devoted to being a teacher and for standing up against those who hate – even if he used to be in love with them – than anything else.

One thought is how that’s sad that the gay character has to have such a sad life. But it’s very honest. Even Romeo and Juliet died because of intolerance. While mixed-race couples are widely accepted in many areas in the US where I live, there are other areas in the US where people risk being violently attacked for dating someone of the opposite race. Or at the very least, the more subtle pain of not being accepted by racist members of the other race but also having their own race criticize them and say they don’t love their own race simply because they dated someone outside of it. Someone black, for example, having other black people criticize them for dating a white person is like a gay person coming out to their family and their family disowning them, not accepting them. At a vulnerable time when they are facing racism and need the support of other black folks they may find that they get criticism from there too. It can be very tragic and the challenges can end or destroy a very real love. I just read an article in Newsweek about an American soldier who fell in love with an Iraqi woman, even converted to Islam and learned to really love the Iraqi people. They had a kid. He was shot in the line of duty and now his kid says “Daddy” to her dad’s picture in the crib. That is a relationship, that like many gay relationships, was based on a very real, strong, and unselfish love and made the father more committed to fighting againt intolerance and spreading understanding but it was also fighting against many obstacles. Gay relationships are far from the only ones right now to be facing challenges, and far from the only ones in history to have faced challenges. So, sad but true, the tragic relationship isn’t an untrue representation, for many gay and non-gay relationships are doomed from the start due to intolerance, even in the most enlightened places in this day and age. The only hope is that more tolerance will make more loving relationships possible to last and more people will not only not be subjected to violence for their love, but have society be glad of any relationshp where the people are better, fuller, and happier people for it.

And before we say that the only tragic relationship she shows is gay – Snape’s only love was a tragic one, too.

And as mentioned, it is very positive that she created such an awesome character with so many great and interesting quaities and then said he was gay – THAT is at least very real and not stereotypical.

Finally, Dumbledore faced many temptations, including that he loved Grindelwald. Even before we knew he was gay we found out in the last book how human he was and how much he struggled. Some people disliked the book the last temptation of Christ because it showed Christ as very human, but others loved it because the fact a human could stuggle like that and still come out on top made the story of Jesus MORE remarkable to them. That he was more relateable because he actually DID experience some of the challenges all humans have face and it wasn’t easy for him just like it isn’t easy for us. They realized that it wasn’t simple or miraculous that Dumbledore or Jesus came out that way but a hard pressure cooker of challenges, lessons learned, hard work, and devotion along the way that turned a rock into a diamond. Harry may have had to accept Dumbledore was only human and wasn’t perfect, but I’m sure as he gets older he will grow to appreciate what DD did and how much DD sacrificed for those around him (even when it wasn’t easy) more and more.

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Yes folks, even in fandom you will always have Malfoys. Even Dumbledore would feel sorry for them.-yes we’re malfoys bc we disagee with u.

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Go Melissa! I love you!

A couple quick questions to those that believe J.K. Rowling should have included this information IN the books:

  • Can you imagine if she had “outed” Dumbledore in the books?
  • Had she included this information, would we all have debated Dumbledore’s sexuality rather than revel in the beauty of the last book? (Seeing all the comments posted here, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case!)
  • Given our present day-in-age, wouldn’t such information have disrupted the flow of the book? Even if the thought was, “Wow, I’m so impressed she did that” or “Awesome, Dumbledore’s gay!,” the thoughts would have disturbed the momentum of the story. Perhaps it would have set an amazing precedent, but in the world we live in, it would have been a bumpy diversion.
  • Would it have been appropriate for a teacher (even in death) to discuss his or her romantic life with a student? None of the other teachers ever did.
  • What about those readers who oppose all things gay – would they have quit reading the book midway through, even after having spent years with the series?

J.K. Rowling is a brilliant woman and had a lot to consider. She knows how to write a story. Give her some credit. She knew what she was doing.

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While I’m still not necessarily comfortable with things like timing or the purpose of a late revelation, I have a lot of appreciation for the tone that Sean used in his interview. He really stated his stance very diplomatically and respectfully. Nicely done.

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From Webster’s Dictionary to the person that said Sodom and Gamorah was not because of homosexula activity sodomy One entry found.

sodomy

Main Entry: sod·omy Pronunciation: \ˈsä-də-mē\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11 Date: 13th century : anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal — sod·om·it·ic \ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

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Greg: “Would it have been appropriate for a teacher (even in death) to discuss his or her romantic life with a student? None of the other teachers ever did.”

“The Prince’s Tale” was ALL BOUT Snape’s love life. And since he intentionally gave those memories to Harry, it’s almost like “discussing it” with him. And there’s Lupin and Tonks. And, no these people weren’t Harry teacher’s anymore, but neither was DD at the time they met in King’s Cross.

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Thank you, Melissa and Sean! This was a great interview, and I hope many in the comment threads I have been visiting these past few days can learn from them.

KB Prez, Professor Potter and many others, your positive contributions are respected and treasured. I also want to thank all those on the comments who have different positions but have managed to keep a kind tone to their arguments. Debate should never be discouraged, but I really hope that the fandom can eventually come together, whether to agree to disagree or to fully accept Dumbledore for what he is, a great, gay character.

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I am really glad Leaky took the time to do this interview (esp. Melissa who I know is busy with her own book writing!). I would’ve liked the question about how to approach children about homosexuality to have been better answered. A part of me wishes that Jo would’ve revealed Dumbledore was gay in book 7 so we could’ve understood him better and so there would be proof of this fact for future generations who read the book. But, a part of me thinks Jo was right to not write Dumbledore’s orientation into the story because some parents don’t feel comfortable introducing their young children to homosexuality. So, I would’ve liked GLAAD’s take on how to tell children about homosexuality, how much to tell them and how young should you tell them? I think it’s best to be completely honest (without being explicit, just like you would be with heterosexuality) but then again that brings us back to why didn’t JKR just give us this fact in the actual book to begin with?

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“From Webster’s Dictionary to the person that said Sodom and Gamorah was not because of homosexula activity sodomy One entry found.

sodomy”

WILL you PLEASE just HUSH!!!!

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Greg, you make some very logical points. I think I tend to agree with what you had to say.

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Alaine: Ok, I’ll bite: Where in what you quoted does it say that the residents of Sodom where destroyed for their homosexual proclivities?

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Everyone is entitled to say what they feel. Just because I don’t share the same view point I should hush. No I think not. I do not agree with JKR and the outting of DD. I think it was wrong. I am entitled to that opinion. I am disappointed not angry, or mad just totally disappointed in JKR and the whole thing. This forum can do what they want and say what they want because we have freedome of speech just like us Christians have freedom of speech.

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Very illuminating and respectful interview, and while it does address the issue thoroughly, I really can’t believe the hoopla about this revelation. Yes, the books (and films) are deservedly popular and some of the die-hard fans just can’t accept this fact that Dumbledore is out of the closet (or are either abandoning the series because of this news). I mean, I was pretty shocked when I first heard the news, but now I’m all right with the news.

J.K.R. did a great thing by taking another step against ignorance, bigotry and intolerance with this news, but some fans treat the series as if it was their read and butter or the Holy Bible/significant religious text—come on, it’s fiction and people should make a distinction between that and actual reality. I’m not saying disregard the values the books represent (nor the fact that DD is gay), but that some people need to look at it from a different perspective and think before they speak.

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  • Sorry about the last post, I meant “their bread and butter”, not “read and butter”!
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I didn’t know if this had already been mentioned or not, but did any of you see Oprah today? Her show was about being gay all over the world. Different views about being gay and how it affected people in different countries. India and Jamaica. Wow some of those countries are very unaccepting of homosexuals.

In the very beginning of the show she did say something abouit DD being gay and a few people in the audience clapped.

Basically I just don’t get how it affects anyone else, why people feel the need to slam others for what they are. Live and let live I say. And I have to laugh at those who use the Bible as reason for their hatred. Ya that makes sense. I don’t know the Bible by heart but I can’t remember any passages that says to hate, make fun of or anything like that to ANY people.

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Carly-u r clearly ignoring what some of us are saying. we aren’t saying to hate or make fun of anyone. u miss the whole point

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Kendra I wasn’t speaking directly to this board, but what I saw happening on Oprah today. I haven’t read this board today, but have read some of the past few days and some of it is just as hateful as what they say happens in other countries.

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This is a great article, and thanks so much for sharing this information with the public. There have been so many hurtful and downright stupid things said in the last few days, but as someone with gay and lesbian family members, it was a good thing to have this character “come out”. It was just another way that the world of Harry Potter reflects the reality of family life. Thanks so much again.

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In quoting Levitical or Mosaic Law the posters here show they know almost nothing about Christian doctrine. The old law as given to Moses was replaced with the new law upon Christ’s death for us. He gave himself up as the sacrificial lamb, blameless and without blemish. Christians now live under the new law as laid out in the New Testament. Part of that doctrine is Romans 1:27 and it reminds us of the immorality of homosexuality: “In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” We were given free choice by God at birth and are free to choose the way we live understanding there are consequences when we choose to sin. Homosexuality is defined as a sin as the above text shows (there are others in New Testament, but I won’t fill pages here). God offers us forgiveness freely if we accept Christ’s sacrifice for our sins. I agree with those who have stated that Christ taught us to love. He also taught us to flee from sin and to not consort with sinners. I have always defended this series and have repeatedly stated that if Rowling had chosen to call them all wizards instead of wizards and witches then the Christian community would have listed the books among the great Christian allegories of all time like Narnia and LOTR. There is no defense for including a homosexual character. Moreover there is no defense for releasing this information at the end after her millions were made. If the fact that she had created Dumbledore as a gay man had come out before the series end the sales of her books would have suffered and the series most likely would have ended with whatever book was out at the time.

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Fenm

According to Genesis, Sodom (Hebrew: סְדוֹם, Standard Sədom Tiberian Səḏôm, Greek Σόδομα) and Gomorrah (Hebrew: עֲמוֹרָה, Standard ʿAmora Tiberian Ġəmôrāh / ʿĂmôrāh, Greek Γόμορρα) were two cities destroyed by God.

For the sins of their inhabitants Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, and Zeboim were destroyed by “brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven” (Genesis 19:24-25). Since then, their names are synonymous with impenitent sin, and their fall with a proverbial manifestation of God’s wrath (Jude 1:7).

Sodom and Gomorrah have been used as metaphors for sinfulness and sexual deviation. The story has therefore given rise to words in several languages, including English: the word “sodomy”, meaning acts (stigmatized as “unnatural vice”) such as homosexual sex and zoophilia, and the word “sodomite”, meaning one who practices such acts. However, the name Sodom is derived from a Hebrew word meaning “burnt”, and Gomorrah from a word meaning “buried”, which refer to their destruction[citation needed].

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Love and tolerance are the very core the series we all know and love. It is that you love, not who you love that matters. I for one often find myself looking to the books to remind me of what is truly important in life; love, tolerance, unity, loyalty, etc. The series teaches us the dangers of hate. Hate of all kinds, race, ethnicity, and now sexuality. At this time it would do us all good to learn from the books we have all enjoyed.

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Leaky, could you be any less objectionable?

I don’t get it. Why have you decided to take a part in shoving the secular humanist agenda down my throat, just like the rest of this rapidly degrading culture?

I trusted you guys.

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“Part of that doctrine is Romans 1:27 and it reminds us of the immorality of homosexuality: “In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” We were given free choice by God at birth and are free to choose the way we live understanding there are consequences when we choose to sin. Homosexuality is defined as a sin as the above text shows (there are others in New Testament, but I won’t fill pages here).”

Romans in the New Testament was written by Paul after Jesus died, when he was touring Rome. It is the preaching of Paul not Jesus that you are choosing to defend your answer. Paul was trying to unit the different sects of Christianity that had sprouted up through out Rome and Israel.

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I would really like to see a copy of the “agenda” that people keep talking about. Because I have asked all my gay and liberal friends, and they haven’t heard of it.

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Remember that agenda that everyone is talking about…hmmmmmmm this interview is fishy.

Of course leaky and mugglenet are going to defend JK Rowling. Are you nuts Leaky/Mugglnet have defined the community and created it. Which of course they deserve it because they have done an awesome job.

But we need to take this in account is how much this has split our community, our fandom, the kids,the parents,the teachers, this has affected many people. For me it hasn’t be JK Rowling is still not rational on her judgement, she opened up a can of worms and basically the community is now going downhill.

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By the way I am liberal and vary open minded, but JK Rowling did screw this up. You got look more into this than the whole issue and what it has it done to us. Look at the hate,controversy and worried parents now.

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This GLADD thing is very admirable and all, but please don’t use Dumbledore as your mascot. Let’s not let Dumbledore be known only as a homosexual, when he’s discovered the 12 uses of dragon blood, he’s the only one that Voldemort feared, etc etc.

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This is not going to end well….

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Human rights groups rarely use people as mascots. Let alone fictional people. I don’t think you have anything to fear.

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It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called ‘After the Ball’[10], where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame…. They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit: Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible… Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers… Give homosexual protectors a just cause… Make gays look good… Make the victimizers look bad… Get funds from corporate America.[1]

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Sarah—actually no, Paul was unable to visit Rome at the time (We’re not told why, some think he was ill, others that he was in prison. However, he usually mentions being in prison when he writes if that’s the case.) and his purpose was to give the churches the teachings of Christ that he had learned since his conversion. Paul was an apostle (to be an apostle, one must be directly called by Jesus as the original 12 were; Paul was the only one called after Jesus’ death) and thus his writings were divinely inspired.

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Speaking of BtVS…

GODS, I miss Willow and Tara now. I didn’t like them when they first came out, because I wanted Buffy/Faith, I wanted Faith to renounce evil for /Buffy/, and for Buffy to accept that, thus undoing all the major gay evil cliche of “Bad Girls”.

...but then Wilow and Tara got dark in a realistic way, I’ve always knew that Willow was a control freak, and then I got mad at Willow and sad for Tara, and then somehow, they got back together, WITHOUT wiping the slate, and then we lose them to the pattern again. The only other canon gay person in Buffy was Larry, who was summed up as 1. Gay, 2. Dead.

I liked the…turnout of this though. Grindelwald didn’t turn evil, he was the way he was, and his gay love interest, Dumbledore, was the /redeeming influence/ instead of a corrupting one. Dumbledore died, much older than everyone else, and in Harry Potter, death is but the next adventure.

...and I find the idea that Grindelwald is Dumbledore’s one tragic love, romantic, and I hope that there was no other, because URGH, remember ‘Kennedy’, the love-at-first-sight girlfriend they gave Willow? TOO SOON.

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Bravissimi for a well-thought-out interview and a different angle for our fandom. I hope that those who are upset by Jo’s “new” information will read what GLAAD had to say about looking at Dumbledore’s character and take it to heart!

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Main Entry: sod·omy Pronunciation: \ˈsä-də-mē\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1–11 Date: 13th century : anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal — sod·om·it·ic \ˌsä-də-ˈmi-tik\ or sod·om·it·i·cal \-ti-kəl\ adjective

Alaine, have you read this whole definition? I don’t know how old you are, but you realize that you are condemming a great deal of heterosexual couples for commiting sodomy by posting this definition?? If not, i’m sure you can find many heterosexual couples (married ones too) who can enlighten you.

I find the debate about homosexual acts not natural kind of strange. What is natural? Sex only for procreation? What about couples who use birth control or couples that are infertile but still have an active sex life? Do married couples really only when they want to have children? Just something to think about.

Also, using phrases like “sin” or “acts against God” to me makes them on par with acts of murder, rape, cruelty where their offenders quite frankly deserve an eternity in Hell. This is probably why such comments are seen as hurtful, insulting, and hateful. You can say all you want that you hate the act, but by condeming the “act” in such a way, many people will see this as condeming them. This is probably why emotions run so high on this topic.

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Well, in that case all activists of any type have a “goal” or “agenda”, no matter their political or social association. They way the term is used though, it makes it seem as though gays want to dominate the world. Seems a bit ridiculous. Last time I checked, they just wanted the same rights and heterosexuals.

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“Can you imagine if she had “outed” Dumbledore in the books?”

Yeah, I can. ;)

“Had she included this information, would we all have debated Dumbledore’s sexuality rather than revel in the beauty of the last book? (Seeing all the comments posted here, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case!)”

If it had, I think that would be our problem and not JKR’s problem or the book’s problem. DH was where we found out Dumbledore’s past. This is a pretty influential part of Dumbledore’s past and should have been in the book.

“Given our present day-in-age, wouldn’t such information have disrupted the flow of the book? Even if the thought was, “Wow, I’m so impressed she did that” or “Awesome, Dumbledore’s gay!,” the thoughts would have disturbed the momentum of the story. Perhaps it would have set an amazing precedent, but in the world we live in, it would have been a bumpy diversion.”

So you put it at a non-momentous moment. (Would have been more interesting of all those weeks camping in the woods!)

Besides, how do you change a world you live in? By always doing what was done in the past?

“Would it have been appropriate for a teacher (even in death) to discuss his or her romantic life with a student? None of the other teachers ever did.”

I’m with whoever said that Snape purposefully gave Harry his memories about Lily and that constitues discussing it with him. We knew about Lupin/Tonks as well, so this whole “Harry never heard about another teacher’s love life” thing isn’t true.

“What about those readers who oppose all things gay – would they have quit reading the book midway through, even after having spent years with the series?”

Oh, you could use that argument for anything. You could say that Harry shouldn’t have dated Cho in OotP because what about those readers who oppose all things interracial – would they have quit reading the book midway through, et cetera. No one should have to cater to an attitude they don’t share when they write.

Aberforth and the goat is probably more of a morally debatable topic (how can the goat consent?), but JKR wrote it in such a way that we accepted it. She could have done the same with Dumbledore/Grindelwald. Could finding out Dumbledore was gay have been worse than wondering whether he kept his sister locked in the cellar? Could it have been worse than finding out he was willing to let Harry die? For some people, yes, but if JKR knew Dumbledore was gay and was introducing his ex-boyfriend as a character, she should have been willing to address that.

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Yes I read the whole article not just a portion of it. I believe you can love the person but hate the sin in itself. In my faith I have been taught that this is a sin and I beleive it is. After looking at all sides of the issue and also praying on it. For me the confirmation has always been shown to me. But I accept this is my opinion and not necessarily the worlds opinion. Scripture also tells us to be of the world not in the world. I hope I quoted that correct. As someone else said God gave us free will to decide we can decide to sin or not to sin it is up to us. It is the same for any type of sin a person commits. You can love the person and hate the sin that they commit. Scripture gives to us what is natural verses unnatural.

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Alaine, I meant did you read the whole definition of sodomy that you posted (not the article), especially what I emphasized. You can apply that definition of sodomy to heterosexuals

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jedi2814 – Your right. I confused Paul and Peter. Peter was in Rome. Paul was the one who had the “vision” of Jesus. Never the less, he wasn’t Jesus. And from what I understand from my Ethics professor a much more unpleasant man. He was human after all, and he seems to associate homosexuality with the Roman pagan religion. I don’t know why that is, but it doesn’t seem to be something to take too seriously. There are much more important messages that can be interpreted from that book.

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Bravo on this well-thought-out interview! As soon as the revelation was announced, I KNEW there would be the inevitable backlash. The reactions I’ve seen have ranged from “Whoohoo!!” to “What?” to “Because ‘gay’ = bad (in some people’s minds), now the enti