Report: WB says No Decision Yet Made on “Deathly Hallows,” Kloves Back as Screenwriter

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Jan 14, 2008

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A follow up today regarding the rumor on a possible two part film of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. Empire magazine is reporting WB told them “no decision has been made about Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.” Also, Empire states Steven Kloves will be back as screenwriter for the final Harry Potter movie, as they say he “hasn’t starting writing the script yet, since the WGA strike prevents him from doing so.” One final note: We are still trying to obtain more on the director rumor for “Deathly Hallows”, and we will update with more on this when we can. Thanks adrian, katy, and d!





177 Responses to Report: WB says No Decision Yet Made on “Deathly Hallows,” Kloves Back as Screenwriter

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Well it sounds as though they are at least contemplating the possibility.

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oh no! he is a member of WGA too? I really hope they can reach an agreement!

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Sigh….Not Kloves again. I’m not a fan of his writing at all. It isn’t just his misrepresentation of the characters (particularly Ron and Hermione), it’s also that most of his original dialog is pretty bad and some excruciatingly cheesy. I was hoping for someone else to take over as screenwriter.

I also hope that the whole writer’s strike doesn’t stall the filming of DH. Dan, Rupert, and Emma deserve to be able to make the film in a timely manner so that they can concentrate on the future. They’ll also be able to play their epilogue characters as is if the decide to wait too long. They should have just hired a British screenwriter that wouldn’t be affected by the strike. Then again, hopefully, this won’t be a big factor in production.

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Steven Kloves will be back as screenwriter? Oh, god, the news keep getting worse.

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I am glad that Steven Kloves is back as the screenwriter! (Doesn’t that mean that SOME decisions can be/have been made even though there is a strike?) At any rate even though he cannot ‘officially’ work on the script because of the strike, I am sure that mentally he already well on his way. :-D

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I agree with you Ana…

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I really hope it will be Ron who will kill the horcrux in the forest, and who will tell Harry about saying aloud Voldemort’s name and NOT Hermione.

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That’s just sad about Kloves coming for DH, now we can just flush down the toilet any possiblity for Ron’s locket scene to be given any justice, even if it was still there! sigh

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Oh, no. Not Kloves.

I shudder to think of what Super Hermione will do this time.

I was so happy with the screenplay of OotP, and I was really hoping that Goldenberg (sp?) would come back for DH.

Ugh.

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Kloves….

Oh dear.

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I am glad Kloves will be back for the 7th movie because Michael Goldenberg, who replaced Kloves in the order of the phoenix, cut out a lot of important things (not that kloves hasn’t cut out important staff but I have got used to him). I understand of course that their work is very difficult and especially for Goldenberg who had to write the screenplay for the most difficult book of the series. There’s only one thing that makes me have doubts about Kloves and that’s Ron who is always overshadowed… WHY?? Ron is my favorite character

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Must stay positive about Kloves… Must stay positive…. must stay positive….. (I wonder if we keep repeating that all will be well…..)

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Kloves? EURGH. Ron hater! :D

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nooooo. I can’t stand Kloves. Goldenberg is much better. This film news keeps getting worse. Anyways, Kloves is British I think. and isn’t WGA just for Amercian people? You know what, I’m beyond caring about these films. I don’t think we’re ever going to get a decent one.

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Sorry I wanted to write important stuff not staff!!

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wow, you guys are a negative bunch. it reads like ‘harry potter glass half-empty club’... cheer up. this is all purely about entertainment! and face it, you’ve all already made the film in your heads, right?!

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One three hour movie. NO Spielberg. Del Toro, Burton, Gilliam or even Curaun would get it better. Yes to Kloves. He loves HP. He understands it. Don’t confuse what he has written (because you didn’t get to read it) with the director’s vision, and what occurs in the cutting room.

Sorry, unless the WB allows the movies to be 3 hours (Which they haven’t yet) then lots of the charming, nit-picky details that all of us HP fanatics love, are going to be left out. All of you armchair scriptwriters, get out your red pen and try to condense HBP down to 200 pages. Not easy.

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I think that a new screenwriter, but one who really understands the books would be better. Also I think i am in the bunch who didnt like Cuaron’s directing all that much but I did like David Yates’, although three movies is perhaps a bit too many. I’d personally like a new director and screenwriter for the last film… sigh… oh well it will still be an awesome film no matter what right? All the others have been. well mostly…

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Kloves? no!!! Aw is there anyway that Goldenberg isn’t part of this writer strike and if the strike carries on he can chip in. I agree with you ‘Silly Girl’ It’l be Hermione taking over the show, she’ll be the true master of the Elder Wand and once Ron leaves the camp Kloves will conveniently forget to write him back in! (Slight exaggeration but i think you get my position on Kloves) Please rehire Michael Goldenberg. oh and by the way pigwidgeon Kloves is American

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sigh…Kloves. I didn’t really realize why people wre critizing him until I saw OOTP. I liked Goldenberg much better. He portrayed Ron (and Hermione) way better. And I Kloves always seemed like an H/Hr shipper. In the last movie, I think it was obvious that Ron and Hermione liked each other. (Maybe too much…half the time when they walked in it looked like they had just finished a snogging session.)

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Great, Kloves is back, can’t wait to see Hermione dueling with Voldie, after Dd bites Harry’s head off at King’s cross. I just hope they’ll get good director, if only Yates could stay, he gets the characters.

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Why are the Harry Potter films effected by the writers strike. I thought if the strike only effected the USA not Great Britain.

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The strike affects writers and the writer is american.

We should get a british writer to do the screenplay. Someone who loves the characters and has the time. Hey, how about that JK Rowling woman? Think she’d be up to the task? :)

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Freddie: Steve Kloves is a member of the WGA and therefore cannot work (as of now)—so it affects the entire process, even if he’s only one guy. (But other people involved in the making of Potter films are undoubtedly members of WGA, too. . . and maybe even some British people, as is evidenced by JOHN OLIVER of The Daily Show).

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I’m going to put on a protective helmet, since I’m about to do the unthinkable and (gasp) actually defend Steve Kloves a little bit.

I’ll be the first to admit that Kloves has made some bad scriptwriting decisions, especially in regard to Ron’ character, but I think the guy gets a lot more criticism than he really deserves. He’s given us some pretty good moments, too, for which he is rarely given credit. He wrote some wonderful trio friendship moments in PS. And there was that brilliantly subtle moment in GoF between Harry and Ron on the Hogwarts Express, when Harry offered to pay for Ron’s food and Ron declined. That scene conveyed all of Ron’s feelings about his financial status, his unwillingness to let someone else pay his way, the awkwardness this caused him to feel around Harry, etc. It was done in one brief moment, with very few words, and I thought it was one of the most brilliant scenes in all the movies.

In general, I agree that Goldenberg is much better, but I don’t think Kloves is half as bad as everyone else does. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about DH, especially since it sounds as though he wrote some really nice moments for Ron in HBP. In fact, it sounds as though they’re really going for the whole Ron storyline with a lot of gusto this time around, which will be a treat.

As far as directors for DH, I’m just hoping and praying that David Yates comes back. That’s not a slight on the other directors whose names have been mentioned (except for Cuaron, who should never, ever, ever be allowed anywhere near these movies again). It’s simply that I love David Yates so much. He seems to “get it” in a way that none of the other directors have done, and I WANT HIM BACK FOR DH!!

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It’s hard to say who ’s better between Kloves and Goldenberg, because there are scenes they wrote that we’ve never seen.

They both made good job and I think at the end it’s the director who has the biggest impact on the story.

Kloves/Cuaron worked really well ! Kloves/Newell wasn’t really great !

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You know what, I’m staying optimistic about Kloves. I love POA, and, dang it, he did the script for that one! So I’m keeping my chin up! :D And I know there are a lot of people out there who don’t like Kloves, but wait and see what he does with Yates on HBP- don’t judge him yet. :) Oh, and I hope the strike doesn’t ruin everything- I don’t wanna wait any longer than I have to. :(

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When in 2007 the cast signed up for the final films, did they sign up for film 6 and 7 or for films 6, 7part 1 and 7 part 2. Surley it will effect the contracts signed by the cast…or at least if their agents are worth their weight in gold. it should do.After all despite how it’s filmed, if true be an extra film!

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Danielle, that scene on the train with Harry offering to pay for Ron was not written by Kloves. He said in an interview that the director added that in.

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Am so glad to hear WB is at least considering a two-part DH. I just don’t see how they could do justice to it otherwise.

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The WGA UK has supported the WGA US strike, and have said that there members should too. They say that if their members work for American companies, they will have no career afterwards. :( While showing solidarity is one thing, this comes across as a bit oppessive.

As for the screenwriter….as long as they do a good job and capture the essence of the book (regardless of their previous work) I’ll be happy.

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Guys, don’t be so hard on Kloves. Super Hermione was more of an invention done by Cuaron. I’ve read the poa script and Ron had good moments on the film. He wasn’t crying “Harry, Harry” while Sirius was taking him, instead, when Harry got hold of him, Ron let go of him. That’s our Ron! Cuaron was the one who made him cry like a coward.

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I never new there was a WGA UK. Why don’t they just get a British writer to do it then saying that the strike will be over be the time they start the 7th film.

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Why doesn’t Jo write the script for once?

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It’s really hilarious seeing people say things like a screenwriter was trying to work a fictional relationship about fictional people into the films.

Seriously, you guys. Just think about that for a second.

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Who was responsible for the weird emotionless dialogue in OOTP, and the uncomfortable pauses and all that? Was that the screenwriter, and was that screenwriter Steve Kloves? If so, I hope he isn’t back. Or was it the director’s fault? In any case, that movie was completely unwatchable (in my opinion), and I hope the people they bring on for movie 7 are very different than the people who worked on movie 5. Does anyone know about the music? I hope they get John Williams back.

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Well, no decision doesn’t make it not true. They could be considering it, you never know!

And damn strike! >:o

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I’m actually glad Kloves is back! I’m not particularly fond of his take on HP but at least he’s better than Goldenberg, who completely slaughtered OotP. As for the 7th being split in two, I’m all for it! But I think they wouldn’t have needed to do it if so, so much stuff hadn’t been left out of the others (OotP mainly). I REALLY hope Spielberg doesn’t direct, I want Del Toro for the 7th, he would be beyond perfect!! It’s his kind of movie. Or Gilliam would be great too!

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Steve Kloves…......I was hoping for someone else…......almost anyone else…...even the guy who wrote “The Queen’s Handbag”skit for the Queen’s birthday did a better job ,he did a job of his translation of the books and caputured aspecks not tounched on before ,for the films. :o) Kloves just doesn’t get how to translate JKR’s wonderful books into a form for the screen.He delutes all the character’s lines ,including Harry’s. But i am full of hope that he will put more thought into this last film,hopefully it will not be ” Hermione Saves the Day ” .

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I’ll stand with hpfan on Kloves…he cut very little of importance from the script—several scenes were filmed and then deleted, which aint his fault. And didnt JKR indicate all along that her preference was to have one screen writer, and that would be Steve Kloves?

In comparison, look at all the plot and subplot lines missing from OotP! Since my criteria is “coherence of story line”, and given the numerous omissions in OotP (note, I do not specifically blame Yates or Goldenberg or Mark Day the editor, but rather alll three of them as having collective decision making power), I’d rather see Kloves…even if some dialogue is clunky

...and give Evanna Lynch the final say in everything, she’s a least a die-hard fan like we are

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Well actually in my opinion Kloves served Ron a lot better than Glodenberg: in the OotP we never see him… I paid attention to his scenes, and I think he’s even in less scenes than that awful Nigel…Hermione is always there, she has a lot of lines, even useless ones, while Ron never speaks… I think his character was better described in Kloves’s screenplays. And I agree with Rhiannon: one thing is the screenplay and a completely different thing is the director’s view….

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I hope they just make it a really good 3 hour long film like LOTR:Return of the King was and I will be happy. I don’t think it will work to split it up, that would just be too complicated. But I am happy that Steve Kloves is coming back. He and JKR are so close that I think he’s the only one that can faithfully adapt the books to screen, even though Michael Goldenberg did a great job with OOTP.

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wow…did you guys watch movies 1-4 and then OofP? I mean Kloves at least kept close to the storyline. I mean dont know about you, but the whole ministry scene being cut was terrible in OofP. i was so looking forward to that. I’m glad Kloves is back. I think he understands the material way better than any other screenwriter. Plus he has the experience. You guys are crazy for hating him

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I’m ok with Kloves.

As for director, I’d like one of the one’s that already made HP film. Preferably Newel as Goblet seemed the most grown up film, and DH should be quite grown up. But Yates or Cuaron would be good too I think. As for score I’d like to see Patrick Doyle back for the 7th, his music is incredibly beautiful.

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Steve Kloves is from Texas not from England so he might be a member of WGA I hope he will not ruin Ron’s character (again) I hope both Kloves and the director of DH (I prefer Tim Burton or Del Toro for that and definitely not Spielberg) will stay faithful to the book as much as possible and the only way for that to happen is to make two films. I cannot see any cons to this choice

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boo! im sorry I really cant stand his writing…oh well there goes DH….all the possibly good dialog is out the window….bring on all the one liners..that dont fit into the movie at all ….pretty soon It will be Ron that takes Voldermort out…and HArry and Hermione will end up together!! sad sad day….

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Steve Kloves sucks!!! He invents his own lines, which, most of them are awful awful awful, instead of getting them directly from the book! YUCK

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I don’t particularly love or hate neither Kloves nor Goldenberg. In my opinion the director is the one who has the last word on what to put into the final film, so many of the mistakes that we do all recount in the HP movies may not depend on the screenplay (nor even on the director’s choices: it can also be the editor’s or the production’s fault…). What is very telling on that is that PoA was a very good film, while GoF was a little weak, and the screenwriter was Kloves in both cases. We have to consider that the production is the one who gives the main feature of the film: if Ron is a little stupid in PoA is probably because they had to respect a sort of balance. Ron cannot be as clever or as cool or as brave as Harry, because Harry is the main character, not Ron. And this is also because, in my opinion, they decided to give a bigger role to Hermione, because she’s Harry counterpart (not a romantic one, but she still is his mirror, she’s the one in whom he can trust). In this sense Ron’s role is seen more as a funny one, he’s the one who makes the jokes, who is clumsy, who makes us laugh. This is not what JK wrote, but this is what they needed to “simplify” her books to make them more “enjoyable”...

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Stephen Kloves?!

Oh God.

goes and tries to forget any excitement about a decent 7th film

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Goldenberg much better then Kloves.

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Kloves…

Enough said:(

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I don’t mind kloves or goldenberg… even though I’m slightly inclined towards goldenberg. But I just hope they don’t bring Cauron back as director, I HATED his direction. Someone needs to tell him that its Harry Potter and not Shakespere… I wouldn’t mind Yates or Columbus. And I’m still hoping for a two-part film!!!

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I’m glad Kloves is back. But seriously, can they not just reach some agreement on the stupid writers strike already? It’s starting to impact the economy, which isn’t what we need at all. If this stalls the release of Deathly Hallows I will give those writers something to strike about…

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oh and rose… You really don’t get any of the characters.

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As we know DH is going to need a lot of attention so if I was Kloves while the strike is on I would be writing the first draft for DH. Just because he can’t “offically write” on set doesn’t mean he can’t write at home.

For all we know he could be on the picketlines or on the London set but if I was him that is what I would be doing.

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I totally agree Phoebe… The strike is SO FRIKIN ANNOYING! I’m missing all the TV!!

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G-R-O-A-N! Oh, no – anything but Kloves. Well, they’ll probably save some money on other actors since now we’ll have Hermione taking out all the Horcruxes, cutting Nagini’s head off, killing Bellatrix and aiming Harry’s wand at Voldemort for him.

headdesk

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I think it’s better to have DH be one film, not two. Artistically, you can make an overlong film out of a book that feels breezy. It’s important not to do this by knowing when and where to edit. If I were adapting it, I would keep it one film, leave out Bill/Fleur (you can have a celebration of Tonks/Lupin’s wedding when the ministry falls), and you can cut out the break-in at the MoM by having Kreacher provide the locket. That way, you can focus on the later, more important events in the book and give them the weight that they require.

P.S. I’m saddened that Kloves is coming back. I don’t like his writing of Ron and Hermione. I would be VERY upset if Spielberg or his former protege Columbus came back to direct. Uggghh! Either give it to del Toro, or bring back Cuaron!

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Just when I thought I had the real Ron, he gets snatched away! Damn you Kloves!

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Kloves? Oy. I’m crossing all of my fingers and toes that this is not a bad omen for the outcome of this movie. This is so not a good thing.

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Ahhh… I heartily await the moment Neville rescues everyone from Malfoy Manor, gets killed by Bellatrix, and Hermione is the one to cut off Nagini’s head. Cheers. _

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Kloves? dang, get ready for a HELL of a lot of hermione! i really hope he does justice to ron and the horcrux, it was my favorite part of the book.

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I was hoping for Michael Goldenberg again. Even though a lot of stuff had to be cut in OotP, I feel that he convincingly worked in important plot elements even if the real scenes didn’t make the cut. (like Neville explaining his parents plight). I also thought that it was nice to see that Rupert was able to actually deliver Ron’s lines from the book rather than Emma or someone else.

But, I’ll watch and buy no matter who ends up writing and directing…

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I think that Newell brought out the best in the actors. GBF is definitely the right feel for DH. I therefore think that Spielberg would NOT be a good choice for Director. Another great director might be Robert Zemeckis ( Forest Gump). He has been very successful with this type of movie. He can handle any writer.

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Ugh! Kloves?! I guess we can assume Ron will be wimpering and cowering in the corner for the duration of DH, while Hermione intervenes in the final showdown between Harry and Voldemort to save Harry and defeat Voldemort.

Or…even worse…Ron will be written out after he leaves Harry and Hermione with the locket.

OotP was the first movie that I walked away from really liking Ron. I love Ron in the books, but I’m always upset with his portrayal in the movies. I really liked him in the OotP movie because his lines were SO MUCH better and in character for once. Why does WB still think Kloves should be writing these movies after they’ve seen how much better Goldenberg can do?

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I didn’t like Goldenberg. The dialogue was gone for most characters, he ruined the ending of the movie. Everyone knows the Prophecy now. There will be no surprise as to where the three characters are going. How will they figure it out for DH? Also, the part in the book with Sir Nicolas and Harry regarding Sirius coming back would have been a heart wrencher. Instead, they all say their usual good-byes and go home.

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Not Kloves again, he’s not a good writer for the HP series, he cut a lot of important characters/scenes, I liked Goldenberg’s work he make a very good, darker, emotionally story in OOTP. Steven Spielberg is a good director, I really like all of his work (War of the Worlds!!!). The person who directed & wrote LOTR and King Kong could be a good director & writer for DH because they put everything to the movies including the smallest detail. Well aquí les dejé lo que píenso ; )

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1. Get a writer that isn’t part of any union. 2. Sweet talk Columbus into finishing what he originally started as director. He stayed the most faithful to the books and as a result did the best job.

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I’m not too fond of Kloves. I liked what Goldenberg did with OOTP, regardless of the things that were cut. He made a emotional, moving, grown up film. I especially liked the way he made Ron more compassionate and not just the snarky sidekick. Kloves writes childish scripts and DH needs to be a grown up film.

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Over Christmas break, I started reading the series again and you guys are so right book Ron is soooooo much better than movie Ron. Some of his sarcastic remarks are hilarious and it’s a shame they don’t make it into the movies.

LOL TAD. I hope that doesn’t happen. I am praying that Dobby and Kreacher are in HBP. Harry can just be all “Dobby you work here now, both of you follow Draco everywhere he goes….” so that where he comes back for DH the HP movie fans will know who he is.

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I like Kloves fine, but I really enjoyed Goldenberg’s interpretation of the story and characters… OOTP caught the mood of the books better than any of the others I think.

As far as the Writer’s Strike goes, I bet that Kloves has started writing the script, but is not showing it to them, nor is he saying he has it begun. It is hard for a writer to NOT write. It’s in their blood. I know plenty of writers and screenwriters, and it doesn’t matter that there’s a strike… they’re still writing… their just not turning it in and getting paid for it.

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Boricua- Peter Jackson actually cut a whole lot out of the Lord of the Rings… he even rearranged it a bit. It doesn’t matter who the director is, with books as big as these, things have to be cut in order to even make the film.

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Well I haven’t seen HBP yet.Maybe Kloves will redeem himself,since he left to write a script for some other film ,which was why he didn’t write one for OOTP.Maybe having been away from HP for a while he will give a better script.Just hope he gets the right words in the right characters mouths.

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i hope they split it into 2 parts…thatd be cool…specially b/c of all the stuff they have to fit into it…as for the screenwriter idk wat they should do….he did cut some big stuff b4….maybe they should get someone new that will keep everything really important. particularly the battle of hogwarts and the hocruxes….

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I think they should have Goldenberg back as well. He did a good job with incorporating things directly from the book.

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The people that ruined these movies are the directors of the 3rd 4th and 5th films. The first two movies were awesome! Nothing would make me happier than if Chris Columbus was hired to direct the last movie. The 4th through 7th movies all should have been made into two part movies, one released in the summer, one in the winter. It would have been perfect, plus they would have been able to have all the other parts of the the books that they cut out that NEEDED to be in the films. I can’t for the year 2040 when they decide to remake all of these movies and actually make them well and as long as they need to be. True Harry Potter fans wouldn’t mind a 10 hour film version of OotP or HBP.

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Boricua has the right idea.

Peter Jackson is amazing.

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my friends reckon they should go back and make unabridged versions. then there wouldn’t be the issue of finding a good script- it’d be the book.

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The people that ruined these movies are the directors of the 3rd 4th and 5th films. The first two movies were awesome! Nothing would make me happier than if Chris Columbus was hired to direct the last movie. The 4th through 7th movies all should have been made into two part movies, one released in the summer, one in the winter. It would have been perfect, plus they would have been able to have all the other parts of the the books that they cut out that NEEDED to be in the films. I can’t wait for the year 2040 when they decide to remake all of these movies and actually make them well and as long as they need to be. True Harry Potter fans wouldn’t mind a 10 hour film version of OotP or HBP.

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I guess I am in the minority mostly in thinking that a two-parter for DH would be great. I love to see the films in the theater, but it’s the reviewing at home that I spend most of my time with. Ten years from now, when I have my HP weekends, I would rather watch 8 movies that include everything from DH instead of 7 with half of it cut out. I prefer to think long term.

Just my opinion though.

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A two-parter for DH would be alright. It would be both good and bad. Hiring Steve Kloves again would be mostly just straight out bad. He’s just not a good writer. Michael Goldenberg really ought to come back. I sound like a broken record I guess. Repeating everything. But seriously, Goldenberg’s script was so much better than Kloves’s. And if Chris Columbus came back… I don’t know if I’d watch it. Columbus wouldn’t be able to handle the dark meat of the story of DH. Columbus would… ugh. Columbus is just bad. I think Guillermo Del Toro would be good. Although he’s not great with actors in my opinion. I’d love David Yates to do the last one, if it was someone who has done it already. Just not Columbus, and not Newell. And if they get another new one, not Spielberg. If Spielberg did it. Oh dear. Voldemort and Harry would like shake hands in the end and say something like “I’m sorry, I was so mean to everyone. Let’s be friends.” No Spielberg!

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well guys, at least we know one thing about the Deathly Hallows movie for sure…

the Riddle-Harry/Riddle-Hermione scene from ‘The Silver Doe’ is gonna be HOTT!!

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Yes, please. A two part movie. One cinema could play part one and, another, next to it, could play part two. This way, one could watch part one and see part two at one’s convenience. The same day, the next day, the next week, etc.

One should not be obsessed with adapting a voluminous book with one film, as has been the case with book four…

Ciao!

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My local news is reporting it as a sure thing that DH will bea 2 part movie. But Lexington isn’t the most exciting of towns, nor the most accurate. At this point the only “nitpicky fanish” thing I despretly want is Molly and Bellatrix their duel and Molly’s line. Something that would be nice and most likey won’t make it is Molly giving Harry the watch for his birthday. To me it’s rather significant about how he’s been welcome as a part of their family and brings him closer to Ron. Without the people who love him and who he loves and cares for he would not be able to be victorious. I am very afriad they won’t kill off Fred in the movie, Teddy probably won’t exsist and Lupin and Tonks will live happily ever after along with the trio and D.A. all with thier mates in a sugar coated world where Voldemort doesn’t die but gets sent off to azkaban (the new, humane azkaban with no dementors and only wizard guards)

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10 onths, 7 days….and we’ll have HBP to chew over!

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NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT KLOVES!!!!!!!!!!! He’s gonna make it the Harry/Hermione show! He’ll make Ron seem like the wimp HE IS NOT! In DH he is just as brave and chivalrous (most of the time) as Harry. And now Klove is gonna stuff him up! I’m really worried for DH, first they say they might have it as two movies, whic is just WRONG, and now KLOVES is back!Let’s just hope we get a good director (Del toro).

I’m worried for DH, really worried

**Oh and stuff the writers strike, looks like it’s gonna affect DH!

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oh, let’s face it folks, we only know two things for certain about the film version of DH:

Harry won’t be naked at Kings Cross station

We’ll all go to see it

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Quite seriously, hearing that Steven Kloves is back is the worst news of this day.

And I’ve had a crappy day.

Everyone, you can wave goodbye to a true, honest presentation of Deathly Hallows. Hooray whiny Ron, Hooray SUPERFAB Hermione, Hooray bitchy Harry! I’ve missed you so!

....I’m so upset, haha…. this is ridiculous.

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ohhh noooooo :( poor ron. hes not going to have a good part if KLOVES is making the script. i loveee ronnn. grrrr.

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If David Heyman approves a two-part film and gives us Hogwarts Reloaded and Hogwarts Revolutions, just to squeeze every last drop of cash out of moviegoers, his reputation will go into the same bad place that Joel Silver (Matrix) and the Weinstein Brothers (Kill Bill) have fallen into. No director worth the name needs more than three hours to put Deathly Hallows on screen. No way am I paying to see Harry Potter: The First Camping Trip and Harry Potter: The Final Camping Trip months or years later.

Jo Rowling herself says the books could be cut. Maybe that’s going to offend the fandom cult too. The films are an opportunity to improve on the books and we’re lucky to have them. Kloves pretty obviously knows how to make a screenplay work and in filmmaking, that’s all that matters.

To the army of people driving themselves crazy over “Super Hermione” and “Movie Ron”, please try to get worked up about something that actually exists and matters. If you’re so desperate to see Buck-toothed Hermione and Serious, Handsome Heroic Ron starring in your imaginary Potter world, go borrow a camera and make your own, because nobody else will want to watch.

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I was hoping it was Goldenberg. Order of the Phoenix writing was so much better for me, on so many things.

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Will orwont: Here, here! I love you for saying what you just said and agree with you a hundred percent.

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I’ll take kloves over goldenberg any day. If you guys are complaining about how kloves never gave ron any lines, I mean, ron barely spoke at all when goldenberg wrote the script.

Welcome back kloves!

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Um, why can’t they just make Deathly Hallows one, 3 hour movie? I mean, any REAL fan would sit through the entire thing, and would probably see it again if they had the opportunity to do so [unless it totally stunk]! As for Kloves… I don’t care who does it, as long as its decent; 1. Portray the relationships and emotions right. 2. Stick with the book as much as possible. 3. Don’t mess up the Malfoy Manor, Silver Doe, or Prince’s Tale scene by cutting parts out and or changing around how things play out. 4. Consult JK Rowling before making ANY slight changes to the storyline. And one more thing for Kloves… SCREW UP THE RON/HERMIONE RELATIONSHIP AND YOU’LL GET A GRAND WHOOPIN, a la Mrs. Weasley style!!!!!!!!! that’s all i gotta say xP

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To Will Orwont:

Stop hating, man.

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...but the fact kloves is back doesn’t help me over the fact that i just rolled around like possessed harry potter on the basketball court fighting for the ball [owwwwww]. remember… A LA MRS. WEASLEY STYLEEEEEEE!!!

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will orowont – We’ve already had a film with bushy-haired, book hugging Hermione and brave Ron, ready to sacrifice himself for the cause. It was called Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone. And just check the box office figures, it’s the most successful one of the franchise. So much for your “no one else will want to see it.” More people wanted to see it than Cuaron’s super!Hermione in a pink hoodie riding on a whomping willow branch.

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...and i don’t know if anyone will be mad at what i said and will say “well, can you do better?”. the fact is, im still a student, and i probably wouldn’t be as experienced as a professional, but i’m curious to write one up and see how i can portray the book… peace outttt <3

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I didn’t realize wearing a pink hoodie made you a feminist superhero. I’m pretty sure smart awkward girls wear pink hoodies. I know I have.

One of the best things about these books is that the characters grow up, learn things, and evolve. Each character is put to the test in their own time and their own way. If Hermione/Emma acted the same way through films 1-7 that is not only poor writing, but a formula for a bad film.

Ron is not always “brave” Ron. In DH, he leaves Harry and Hermione because he is having second thoughts. He’s not perfect and I like him that way. Nevertheless, Ron does stand up for his friends in POA. He tells off Malfoy more than once and he tells his friends to run from the Grim and to run away from Sirius Black even though he would be left behind.

One more thing, box office does not equate to good adaptation. SS was the first film and it was new and exciting and kids of all ages could see it. The later films are scarier and more complex. Also, they are released at different times of year against different competing films. I think critical acclaim is a better barometer of a film’s success than money.

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“The films are an opportunity to improve on the books and we’re lucky to have them.”

Wow somebody needs to take off his rose coloured glasses. Then find a dictionary and look up the word adaption.

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This is the silliest argument that I have seen on this site yet! Everyone has their fav movie, character, director, scene etc…I personally think that OotP was the WORST one yet!!!! But that is my own personal opinion, and I would never expect anyone else to feel the same way. WB will do whatever it is that they feel will make them the most money in the end. Whichever screenwriter or director they pick will most likely NOT do DH like any of us have pictured in our minds, as everyone sees it differently. Hopefully the characters will actually get some lines in the movie…some that they can say with feeling…OotP was awful in that respect. The “after Harry and Cho kissing” scene was the epitome of the worst scene ever. Hermione talked so fast you could hardly understand her…There was NO emotion from any of them, and the laughing was ridiculous, and SO unbelievable. Anyhow, everone has their favs…and whatever will be will be!

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kloves…good lord…

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Kloves is going to away take all of Ron’s amazing scenes and lines. :’(

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I’d like to hear a robust discussion of Steve Kloves weak points and good points on the next pottercast.

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@Roni: OotP is far and away my favorite of the movies, but I do agree with you about the post-H/C kiss scene. I think it’s one of the two weakest scenes in the movie (the other being the Grawp scene), mainly because of the poor acting from Emma and Rupert; and because, as you said, you could barely understand a thing Hermione said, which meant that the casual viewer wouldn’t know what the hell they were laughing about.

I actually felt a little bad for Dan -who still has a long way to go as an actor but has nonetheless improved exponentially - having to perform in such a poorly-done scene with two fellow actors who, quite frankly, have not kept up with his rate of improvement. The whole thing was just… awkward. I honestly don’t understand why so many people loved it. I can only assume it was that the hard-core R/Hr crowd was just so happy to see Ron and Hermione OMGsmilingateachother! (Note: I’m not against R/Hr in any way. It just doesn’t make me go all melty, so it’s going to take more than one badly acted scene with them laughing to win me over.)

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Awwww, I really liked Michael Goldenberg’s work on OotP. But whoever writes the script, I hope the strike ends soon so we can get to it.

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I’m bummed about that. He writes Hermione as strident, not bossy. And poor Ron…please don’t turn him back into a dope! Let him be funny and brave!

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OotP was hands down the best so far. A great director can only work with what (s)he’s given. I wasn’t paying attention to the movie hype (I think there was something else going on…dh?) ;) so when I saw the movie I was floored at the difference. I remember coming out of the theatre saying “Who was behind this?” Editing, pacing, acting… all important stuff.. but you can only polish a turd so much.

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DESTINATION (eerie cave with greenly-lit central island, somewhere on a wild coast), DETERMINATION, DELIBERATION. ACCIO KLOVES! ACCIO GAMBON! ACCIO LITTLE BOAT! LEVICORPUS KLOVES AND GAMBON, MOBILICORPUS TO BOAT! ZOOMICUS BOAT TO ISLAND! Hey Michael, Steve – how’s the water? Just stick a hand in and let me know, why don’t ya… IMPERIO! STICK YOUR HAND IN THE WATER, CHAPS!

mad, bellatrix-like cackle!!!!

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@Danielle: First of all you make me sick. I think you’re just saying stuff to piss people off on purpose, because i just watch OOTP again yesterday and that scene after the kiss with Cho is still as funny as it was the first time I saw it and since you clearly have problems understanding perfectly clear British dialect i will translate the scene for you:

Ron: So how was it? Harry: Wet…she was sort of crying. Ron: That bad at it are you? starts to laugh. Hermione: I’m sure Harry’s kissing was more than satisfactory…Cho spends half her time crying these days. Ron: You’d think a bit of snogging would cheer her up. Hermione: Don’t you understand how she must be feeling? ron and harry exchange confused looks Hermione: Well obviously, she’s feeling sad about Cedric and therefore confused about liking Harry and guilty about kissing him…conflicted because Umbridge is threatening to sack her mum from the ministry and frightened of failing her OWLs because she’s so busy worrying about everything else. Ron: One person couldn’t feel all that…they’d explode. Hermione: Just because you’ve got the emotional range of a teaspoon.

There now you what they’re saying. happy now? That scene just like the whole movie is great and all of their acting is excellent. I hope you’re not expecting them to be George Clooney or Julia Roberts because if they were that good then I think it would take away from the whole realness of the friendship. Whatever flaws they do have makes the characters they play more real and therefore more relateable and likeable. So I love them and I think they all are perfect.

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@Andrea: Okay i didn’t understand that whole turd thing at all, but i do agree with on you on how good movie 5 is. it’s hard for me to pick a favorite because i love all the movies, but number 3 and 5 are definitely at the top of my list.

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I think i need to watch the movies again because i dont see what you guys mean about hermione taking over ron’s shine. if anything, i thought the first 4 movies were really close to the books. Wait except the 3rd movie. Can you give me an example of when Hermione took over Ron’s shine?

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Guys, what is this “Ron-hater” business? The fact is, in the action-oriented scenes of the Harry Potter books, Ron has never done much. He’s there for the dialogue (basically bickering with Hermione and being Harry’s friend, and coming up with laughably stupid theories), not the action.

But he had his chess scene in PS/SS. Did Kloves choose to petrify Ron and keep Hermione in COS? No. That was the book where Ron got more “screen time” if you will. Then JKR put Ron out of action during the time-turner scene of POA, so Hermione got that lost time back, Ron had gotten his time to shine in COS, now it was Hermione’s turn in POA. And this is where the problem seems to lie: it feels like people are crucifying Kloves because he’s given a couple of Ron’s lines to Hermione. Need I point out that Ron was moaning on a bed with a broken leg while said lines were being delivered. Well, guess what, POA was Hermione’s book, and Hermione’s film. It was her catch up if you will, since she was out of action at the end of COS. Then on to GOF where Hermione and Ron are balanced again. Actually, they were a lot more equal in GOF than they were in OOTP, Hermione got considerably more dialogue and a lot more action in the OOTP screenplay.

And what’s this Kloves is a Harry/Hermione shipper rubbish? There was a massive amount of Ron/Hermione foreshadowing in GOF and even more in POA (they held hands!) and Kloves wrote for both of them.

Goldenberg was the rubbish one, no wonder he didn’t come back (probably wasn’t asked based. Order of the Phoenix was a horribly paced film with horrible characterisation. It’s a wonder Harry managed to expel Voldemort. The scene with Hermione laughing was about the only scene in the whole movie in which anyone laughed. I hate how they wanted the movie to be dark for the sake of being dark. Yes, Voldemort’s back. Umbridge has taken over Hogwarts. That doesn’t mean every ounce of happiness has been sucked out of the world, and I hardly felt any of OOTP’s light in the film, all I saw was the darkness.

I think Kloves has done perfectly fine. So Hermione got some of Ron’s lines in POA. Big deal. Grow up. Get over it. Hermione is a more important character in the films, she actually does impressive magic and has greater knowledge and insight which is more important in a visual representation, when the various sideplots involving Ron being jealous, stupid or pigheaded are removed.

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MattyM: Read the books.

Violet Baudeliere: You win!

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MattyJM, POA was not hermione’s book. It was Harry’s. All of them are.

As for Ron, he actually was there alot more than for the dialogue. I suppose I should mention the Shrieking Shack, it was Ron that stood up to Sirius, while injured, and stated that he would have to kill them (Hermione and him) to get to Harry. And in the book it was never cowardly.

In OOTP book, Ron was referenced several times to have participated in battles and to have done quite well. He was not cowardly.

Ron is a flawed character, like all the characters in these novels. But to sugest that Ron is really just “jealous, stupid or pigheaded” does not match the books. (IMO)

Ron is an interesting character too a great many of us.

Just because the filmmakers don’t, in some people’s opinion, have the skill or inclination to make films that are somewhat more complex than typical Lead Hero + Lead Female + Stupid sidekick does not mean that we shouldn’t voice concern or disappointment or that our opinions our invalid or that we should “get over it”. Perhaps you should “grow up” and accept that other people have valid opinions.

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Kelly: I think you need to reread the books and rewatch the movies with an objective eye before you proclaim yourself and Violet Baudelaire as “winners” like a child. What exactly did MattyM say that was innaccurate? I am with some of the other fans who have commented that Ron’s character has not been as abused by the filmmakers as some would have us believe. To be upfront, I adore Ron as a character, particularly because he is flawed. I sometimes feel, that the perception that Ron is misrepresented in the movies is more a result of the lack of equal attention that Rupert Grint receives in the media compared to Emma and Dan. Why can’t some fans just accept Ron for who he is and wait patiently for him to come into his own in the time frame that Jo herself has designed, instead of pressuring and criticising the filmmakers.

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J: Exactly. The movies fall into cliche with the main trio and mold them to fit that stereotype and we should definitely be able to voice our discontent over that. There does not need to be a female character that is superfab and a stupid goofy sidekick to tell a good story. No, it really is not okay for Hermione to be more important in the movies. She’s not in the books. It’s not that all of Ron’s subplots need to be there (not all of Hermione’s are either), it’s that he needs to act like himself in the ones that are there. There’s no reason they couldn’t balance the trio equally even with having to cut some subplots here and there. And indeed Hermione was more involved at the end of PoA in bookverse as Ron was in CoS but they certainly super-sized her part there in the movie, completely (which they did not do with Ron at all). As for Ron and Hermione’s role being equal in GoF? Um…

Hermione is not that active in battle situations really. She’s not much more active than Ron at all (who should be noted, ended up helping in “revolutionizing” the auror department in Rowling’s version). And to the commenter that insinuated that Ron left in DH because he was cowardly (therefore matching movie Ron), I think you need to reevaluate the text. Ron leaving certainly displayed he was far from perfect and needed to complete his character maturation, but it was not due to cowardice at all.

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GingerLibby: I agreed with Violet’s comment (rather excitedly, I admit) and disagreed and Marty’s snark about Ron’s subplots being about being pigheaded and stupid. I think that if that’s all you think of Ron’s subplots, you do need to reread the books closer (ergo the comments about Hermione being more important in battle). That’s childish?

On the last paragraph- if the complaints about Ron's characterization in the movies started after DH then I might agree with you. However, the problem has been present for years and years longer than that. It's not as if fans are looking back from DH and saying "that's not Ron" because they now have the knowledge of the person he ends up being. They are saying he's not Ron because they're comparing the source material from when Ron was the same age he is in whichever particular movie.

I sometimes feel, that the perception that Ron is misrepresented in the movies is more a result of the lack of equal attention that Rupert Grint receives in the media compared to Emma and Dan.

I sort of agree with this and sort of not. I feel like the trio was pretty evenly represented in media through CoS. However, PoA changed that. I blame the PoA movie for kicking it off and the media for perpetuating it and keeping it going- thus making the moviemakers think that is what is wanted.

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J: As someone who truly wants to understand others’ points of view, as my own could be misguided or biased and I freely admit this, please provide me with some examples as to when the films portrayed Ron as stupid beyond what the books have depicted. Also, let’s all be realistic here. Ron spends a great deal of time in the books feeling inadequate. How are we supposed to understand his feelings of insecurity and low self-esteem if the filmmakers don’t set it up properly. He is ashamed of his lack of money, he doesn’t do well in his classes all the time, he is a nervous wreck before Quidditch, and Jo herself says he doesn’t really mature until DH. Also, what exactly is wrong with being someone’s sidekick? Frodo had Sam, Hamlet has Horatio—these characters are beloved not because of the amount of screentime or awesome lines that they have, but the friendship and support they offer the hero. Those of us who aren’t preoccupied with the films’ seeming misrepresentation of Ron that viewers like you see, still see the Ron that we love for who he is in the movies. All of this being said, I do admit that the line exchange in PoA was unfortunate, but I’m not sure if that one moment has destroyed film Ron just as much as I don’t think that the angry Dumbledore in GoF has destroyed Dumbledore’s character in the movies. These are singular scenes, please try to be objective and look at these films as a whole.

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I just wanted to reiterate something I said in a previous post:

“Ron is not always brave hero Ron. In DH, he leaves Harry and Hermione because he is having second thoughts. He’s not perfect and I like him that way. Nevertheless, Ron does stand up for his friends in POA. He tells off Malfoy more than once and he tells his friends to run from the Grim and to run away from Sirius Black even though he would be left behind.”

He also fights with Harry in GOF yet still provides him with the help he needs to prepare for the first task. He feels insecure throughout this book/film because of Harry’s fame and fortune as well as Hermione being with a famous Quidditch player. He nervously answers Moody’s questions about the Imperius curse, but so do Hermione and Neville. In OOTP, Ron clearly stands up for Harry on several occasions. In other words, the films have given us a gradual development of Ron’s loyalty and courage.

Can someone please tell me all of the chivalrous moments of glory that have been maliciously removed? Other than one or two lines per film because if Ron’s courage is dependent on a couple of lines than I don’t think it stands out as a particularly strong character trait until the later books and the yet to be released final films.

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GingerLibby: There’s nothing wrong with being a sidekick. I do not mind the term sidekick with Ron, but I would hasten to add that Hermione is a sidekick to Harry as well (and a lot of people lovingly refer to Ron and Hermione as “the sidekicks” actually). It’s the “goofy sidekick” role that a lot of fans feel Ron has been squeezed into in the movies that I think people have issues with.

But how is Ron being stupid connected to him feeling inadequate? That has little to do with intelligence (Ron is really quite bright when he puts his mind to it). After all, the point (and what Ron learns) is that he’s not actually inadequate at all. I actually think the DH plot will seem extremely out of place because they haven’t really portrayed that aspect of Ron well in the movies. I think they will have to cut his subplot if they don’t start really working on that in HBP. I want to see that on screen so badly.

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Reishbah… Do I really get not the characters? Well You actually don’t get what I write… That was not MY opinion: that is what the movies makes us think. And for Cuaron: his movie was great, it’s the best so far, and COLUMBUS???? What the hell, his movies were ridiculous and childish: and obviously he did a good job because the first two books are much shorter than the others… he couldn’t fail. Columbus has an American point of view and he created a Magical World that could perfectly fit into Disneyland or something like that: it looked like an amusement park, not like real world, real life. he did a movie for kids, (and that’s what he was supposed to do) but he cannot afford to do DH, which needs a very mature, deep, dark and threatening movie. Cuaron is a great director, and, being latino, gave the movie a European look, and that’s what Harry Potter is. And apart from that: JK said that she couldn’t expect any better from PoA, that Cuaron did exactly what she thought he would have done to respect and represent her story… Isn’t it telling that JK appears with the director only in PoA’s DVDs and not in the others? I would love Yates to do DH, because he proved to be in touch with the story and the books, but he has to “dare” more with the script…

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Rose: JK’s favorite movie is OotP- she said this after seeing the film. Also Cuaron is from Mexico City, which is of course North America. How does that make his movies more European than an American director? I would think that British and American cultures are far closer than British and Mexican.

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uhh… Kloves is a bad idea. I know he’s great at making money, but he’s not great at making US happy. We all know Ron being a high-pitched retard is a money spinner, and Emma Watson being Harry’s sexy/smart best friend can bring in the guys, but COME ON, please WB, it’s the last movie! Make it REAL!

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Kelly: I have read the books, thankyou very much.

Yes, Ron is jealous, pigheaded, insecure and rather unintelligent for most of the series. A lot of his dialogue revolves around these personality traits. His jealousy of Harry in GOF, his complete lack of understanding with regards to Ginny’s love life in HBP, his insecurities about Keeping in OOTP and HBP and his anger and jealousy toward Harry in DH (the locket Horcrux cultivated the seeds but Ron planted them).

Ron doesn’t solve the mysteries, Harry and Hermione do. Hermione found Flamel in her book in PS and figured out that the object was hidden in the school was the Philosopher’s Stone. Harry figured out that there was a Basilisk in the Chamber (with help from Hermione) and that the entrace was in Moaning Myrtle’s bathroom. Harry was the only one of the trio who realised that Draco was up yo something in HBP. Ron’s part in these things is generally to chime in with hilariously far-fetched theories that mostly turn out to be untrue.

I certainly don’t hate Ron, he is a very flawed character though, and JKR made him that way on purpose, he balances out the trio. Of course nobody is perfect, but Ron is an especially flawed character, and as JKR rightly says, the last of the trio to grow up. All I was trying to point out, was that most of what he says and does is not central to the plot, and what IS relevant to the central plot is given all due notice in the films (and I’m sure the scene where Ron destroys the Horcrux will be too). Therefore I think it’s completely unreasonable for anyone to say that Kloves is a Ron-hater. I think he gave Ron a bigger part than Goldenberg did in OOTP, actually.

I never said Ron was cowardly either, so I don’t know where you picked that up. Ron is not cowardly, he is merely the most magically inept of the trio so his bravery generally doesn’t translate to extraordinary magic.

And yes, Hermione got Ron’s line in the Shrieking Shack in the PoA film. I did mention this (indirectly) in my last comment. I would not have a clue why this was done. It’s such a minor change that it does not bother me at . We don’t even know if it was in the screenplay. It could have been Cuaron’s decision to give the line to Hermione, in which case we could be blaming him, not Kloves. Bottom line is, who cares? It’s one line, and it sounded fine coming from Hermione, although it would’ve sounded better coming ftom Ron, I agree. Other than this, I think Kloves has been faithful to Ron’s character and spirit and I don’t see where people are getting this Ron-hating stuff from.

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kelly: I know Jk’s favourite movie is OoTP, but I didn’t say that it was PoA…Anyway: Moviemaking has its rules, and also scriptwriting has its own balance to reach. In each and every movie we see there’s the Hero, his/her clever friend, the goofy and funny sidekick (who is the hero’s best friend most of the times) and the hero’s love interest. And that’s what people expect most of the times. What many people don’t understand is that a movie is not a book: you cannot afford to represent each and every detail, the nuances of a character, the peculiar aspects of a relationship. You can try to convey these ideas, but a book has a lot more room and time to do this, and, obviously, it does it better. So, when you write a screenplay, you have to make some choices: you cannot possibly represent every aspect of a character, so you have to simplify it, and stress his/her main qualities/defects. So that’s why they simplified Ron’s character (and also Hermione’s in my opinion): the scriptwriter couldn’t convey in the movie all the features of his character, so he chose what he thought to be his main characteristics and, in particular, what he thought would help more the story. We all know that Ron’s not what he is in the movies. But nor is Harry, nor Hermione. Or, at least, not completely. You have to think that most of the times in a screenplay you have to convey an idea (which in the book maybe it is described in a page) in a few seconds, with just a line, or perhaps with a gaze or an expression of the face. That’s not easy.

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Kelly: you are probably right on Cuaron, but I’m Italian, so probably his ideas are closer to mine, because we are both “latins”.... I don’t know….

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MattyJM: you got the point, thanks… I agree with you…

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I would love to add that I don’t think Ron is the only person butchered.

Hermione’s part is amplified. She gets Dumbledore’s lines (COS, “fear of a name…etc.”), she gets Hagrid and Ron’s line explaining Mudbloods (COS), she gets Ron’s line in POA, she gets Mr. Weasley’s line explaining the Dark Mark to Harry (and people assume she is the PERFECT all-knowing character, which is a flaw in the movies), and then she has that ridiculous scene with Harry (GOF) where she talks about how she’s worried about him, makes a lame joke about Viktor, hops from one side to another, overacting all over the place. Because we as fans view Hermione and Ron as a unit, rather than Harry and Hermione, or Harry and Ron, I feel Ron’s part is diminished because of Hermione. But Ron is not the only sufferer, yet because he is one of the main characters, I think this is a big deal.

Hermione in the books is book-smart, but not wizarding-world smart like Ron. Ron is the trio’s only connection to the reality of the wizarding world. When they screw with Hermione, and make her understand deeper things like the Dark Mark, or Mudbloods, it lessens the emotive and darker undertones of the books. This whole blood-discrimination shows the sophistication of Jo’s books, yet they have completely dropped that act since Movie 2. When Malfoy said it in movie 3, it was just awkward. It was just a name-call; there were no explanations or examples of cruelty that would’ve fitted perfectly during the Quidditch World Cup. That would’ve made the movies better… but now all we see is a stupid prophecy and a battle with Harry vs. Voldemort… not the issue of Racism.

Another thing that pisses me off is Voldemort’s name. They say it all the time; this creates a contradiction. This contradiction messes up the actual fear that Voldemort induces—something I believe they should have included when Mr. Weasley describes the feeling of someone coming home to a Dark Mark hovering over their house.

Not that I blame them, but this is all WB’s fault. They require the directors to milk the cash cow. Younger children won’t understand Ron’s jokes in the book, those that are funny, sarcastic and a bit witty. No, children can only as far understand funny that they can laugh at like Ron’s fear of everything, apparently, his jealousy of another race (as if he would want to beat up a koala if it “hit on” Hermione) thus trying to beat up the troll without a wand, his clumsiness, and his voice-breaking even though it’s been going on forever now. The fact that children don’t understand more sophisticated humor is the reason why Ron is essentially “dumb”. Children also enjoy laughing at the retardation of Trelawny, as shown in the Extras part on the OotP DVD. She is superstitious, but not mentally disabled. I found it unfunny, and an insult to Jo’s books.

Oh yeah, and as much as I am a R/Hr shipper, I have to say, Emma’s apparent love for Hermione’s “feminism”, and that “feminism” came completely out of her ass, and the script-writers, obviously, because nowhere in the books has Ron ever said anything sexist. That scene where Ron says, “I’ll go easy on you,” which our lovely Emma Watson described as “sexist”, showed Hermiones “girl power”, um “kick ass” side, which I loathed. How can you possibly enjoy a pairing like that after GOF’s horrible H/Hr kissing and hugging, while Ron and Hermione got in a fight. Completely misleading, my mom thought H/Hr was going to happen, because Emmione kept worrying and caring for Harry, while treating “Ronald” (don’t know why, but he’s only been called that by Mrs. Weasley, if ever) like an insolent child.

There, I said it. I hate you, WB. I hate your movies, too. I only watch it with the hope that the next will be more fan-friendly.

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Oh, I should’ve added that many of those faults could have lead to Kloves. But more importantly, we need to stop killing Kloves, and center the problems on the system itself. Thus, I disagree with the above argument about Kloves. It’s not just Kloves.

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Why do they keep bringing Kloves back, he’s the worst part of the franchise. He’s never loyal to the text and frequently misses out parts that are important in favour of cheesy, childish crap. I don’t like the prologue of book 7 anyway and he’s going to make me gag I just know it. If there was anyone who could make it as slushy as it could be it’s Kloves. I’m going to need several sick bags instead of just the one that should have come free with the book (I loved book 7 up until the last chapter). I was hoping they’d get someone talented in for the last film…what a shame. Let’s hope they get a corking director at least.

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Holy crap burningpumpkins you’re ABSOLUTELY right!!!!!!! The point is THESE MOVIES ARE MADE TO GAIN A LOT OF MONEY!!!! And WB don’t mean to “please” us fans, because they know that, in any case, we will go and watch the movie. Their main aim is to reach the ones who don’t read the books, and to do so they have to “ensnare their senses”, by giving them what I said above, that is to say: the usual and canon movie pattern. I’m a teacher in junior high, so my job is trying to understand kids: most of them don’t give a damn about the books and the original story, they just want “magic”, “Fights”, “jokes”. And that’s what WB give to them. Because they are the ones who buy their merchandising, they are the ones who go to the cinema… etc. Obviously they try to respect JK’s story, because they are conscious of the number of book fans, but, for god’s sake, they are trying to make money and if, in their opinion, Ron has to be clumsy and Hermione has to be wonder woman to do it, well… they just do it…

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Is there any reason why it can’t be 20 hours long? Imposing a time limit on what is going to be a total epic is ludicrous.

Is there any reason why it can’t be serialised – a one hour slot weekly for a year – so we get a feel for the real scope and tragedy of the thing?

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Oh, and it’s an epilogue, not a prologue, as in after and before respectively.

We never have control over the films so just enjoy the books, see everything in your mind, and accept that WB are unimaginative and the medium of ‘block-buster movie’ will never, EVER serve art. The people in charge are motivated by money. The people with ideas are on strike. And the people in between are almost as powerless as us. Maybe in the future, as with Austen books, the HP series will be serialised with a new cast, giving more time and attention to detail and less gloss and formula – giving the stories the depth they deserve. Otherwise, pick up a book and enjoy. That is where the riches are and always will be.

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A variety of odds and ends, some of which I’ve posted before (or others have), adding up to a lengthy post I fear.

First, a rather nasty tone crept into some of this discussion, can we stop the personal attacks please? We agree to disagree, since as Roni (?) put it we all envision the films differently and want them to match our imaginations.

Second, we can type til our fingers bleed, but we have no say in any of the decisions.

Third, the control in film making is a vague and constantly shifting relationsip (sheez, just like the Dark Arts!) between director, screen writer and editor as the three most influential members of the production staff…and others have influence on the process as well. So, focusing on just Kloves or Goldenberg, Columbus or Yates, etc makes little sense. I personally want Evanna Lynch paid extra to be the on the set HP expert since she is a true fan as well as perfect for her role.

Next, please do remember that the films were being cranked out while the books were still being written? Despite consultations with JKR there were obviously portions of the films ….as a continuous story line and within each film as a stand alone, independent story …that couldnt predict what the final outcome of the HP novels would be.

Also, I recall that JKR has said on several occasions that she really enjoyed Kloves as screenwriter and felt that she could trust him to capture the essence of her novels. I don’t have my file of her interviews handy, perhaps those remarks can be found on Accio Quote? I’ll also add in fairness that she has pretty much said that each film is her favorite, that she enjoys them all.

The suggestion has been made by others as well as by me (and my daughter and I actually have done this for the first four books). Buy a paperback copy of each novel, and a set of different colored markers. Highlight those areas that absolutely must be in the filmthe over all series to make sense, and for the individual film to have its own coherence. Use a different color to highlight those sections that are not important to the individual film or overall series and can therefore be deleted. Go back over the marked up copy several times to make it as short as possible. Then you’ll have a good idea of how a screenwriter starts imagining the script.

And last, although I know Bella will disagree with me: there will be a remake, someday. Minimum 20 years, probably not for 30 or more… some of you will be lucky enough to see those, and will be able to argue happily in the New Leaky Cauldron discussion boards. Its unlikely, but I hope I’m still around as well…

In the meantime, let’s just admit, despite our differing opinions about and our differing desires for the films, we all will go and see them in the theatres, we’ll buy the dvds, we’ll buy the extended versions when those come out around 2012…let’s just enjoy?

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NO, NOT KLOVES!!!!

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Ugh…the writer’s strike again! It’s bad enough it’s making TV impossible to watch, now it has to affect my HP movies too!

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Not quite OT, but related: I have not read all the posts, here or on the site of the “original rumor”...I will say this, though. Steve Kloves IS a pretty good writer. It IS unfortunate that the Writer’s Guild is on strike. I, too, hope it can resolve soon. The ‘Deathly Hallows’ screenplay, will not be an easy one to write. If WB does go, with a two-part film, there is one more possibility. In 1939, there was a movie. I believe it was 4 hours long. From a VERY long novel and it was a VERY long time ago.. A Classic. I believe that the Harry Potter Books, now fall under that category. The movie, produced by MGM, was in two parts…..at the same time. There was an intermission, between the two parts. Nowadays, that might be a bit of a stretch. Not many theaters will go for it. Unfortunately, it may also force the movie to be shown, only in certain theaters, at certain times. All this, in consideration. The movie was Margret Mitchell’s classic ‘Gone With The Wind’.....it could work. Maybe. Just My Humble Opinion…from an “old classic movie buff”

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Aw, man! I thought Goldenberg was brilliant, I want him back!!!

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Thank God for Steve Kloves!!!!!! Come on guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is brilliant…. Defects from OOTP are because screenwriter blow it, not David Yates.He’s a wonderful director. And you’ll see that both upcoming movies will be the best and huge part because of Kloves!!! I still want two part film!

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Actually, this is probably old but unreleased news. Steve Kloves had to have been on board for DH before the WGA strike even began (early Nov.), as it’s against strike rules for a member to even discuss business with any studio on the WGA strike list.

The final product for any movie is a combined effort of many. Screenplays are re-written constantly during production, with input from others. I’m not the biggest Kloves fan (cut scenes from the books, if you have to, but please don’t re-define characters), but maybe as part of a strong team, we won’t be as disappointed as we were with…oh, say…GOF? But then, I’m trying to be optimistic.

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If I were in David Heyman’s shoes, I’d say… YES to a loooong movie, NO to a 2-part version YES to Michael Goldenberg, NO to Steve Kloves YES to Yates, Cuaron or Del Toro; NO to Spielberg

Whatever happens, am looking forward to 2010… =)

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If I were in David Heyman’s shoes, I’d say…

YES to a loooong movie, NO to a 2-part version YES to Michael Goldenberg, NO to Steve Kloves YES to Yates, Cuaron or Del Toro; NO to Spielberg

Whatever happens, am looking forward to 2010… =)

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If I were in David Heyman’s shoes, I’d say…

YES to a loooong movie, NO to a 2-part version

YES to Michael Goldenberg, NO to Steve Kloves

YES to Yates, Cuaron or Del Toro; NO to Spielberg

Whatever happens, am looking forward to 2010… =)

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romaiel you’re spamming… but I agree with what you say. WB: Take advantage of the strike and ditch Kloves… he is not the best choice for an HP script. Seriously.

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I’m a little confused as to why you guys DON’T like Steve Kloves? Especially since movie 5 was the shortest of all the movies and you guys are talking about how you want a looooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg movie and everything. All of the HP movies that Steve Kloves has done have been 2 hrs. and 35 mins. So if you want a long movie then Steve Kloves is the guy and I personally think he’s funnier than Goldenberg. I laughed my ass off on movies 1-4, but not so much in movie 5. If something was funny it’s because Goldenberg took it straight from the book which he did ALOT. I don’t think he’s as creative as Steve Kloves, so I definitely like Kloves better.

And in case you guys haven’t realized this

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Sorry i got cut off. i hate posting in this forum it’s too complicated. But like i was saying, in case you guys don’t realize this:

THE MOVIE ISN’T GOING TO COME OUT IN 2010 IF THE WRITER’S STRIKE DOESN’T END SOON BECAUSE STEVE KLOVES CAN’T AND WON’T START WRITING THE SCRIPT UNTIL THE STRIKE IS OVER. SO HE MIGHT NOT START ON IT UNTIL MID TO LATE 2008 AND I’M SURE THEY WILL HAVE TROUBLE FINDING A DIRECTOR IF THEY DON’T HAVE A SCRIPT. AND TRANSFERRING A BOOK AS BIG AS BOOK 7 INTO A SCREENPLAY CAN TAKE UP TO A YEAR. SO THAT MEANS THE SCRIPT WON’T BE FINISHED UNTIL MID TO LATE 2009 AND THEN THEY HAVE TO FIND A DIRECTOR AND THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE TO DO SOME CASTING AND THEN ALL THE PRE-PRODUCTION STUFF LIKE SCOUTING LOCATIONS TO FILM AND MOVIE 7 IS GOING TO HAVE ALOT OF ON-LOCATION FILMING BECAUSE OF ALL THE TRAVELING THE TRIO DO AND THEN OF COURSE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO FILM THE MOVIE WHICH WILL TAKE UP 13 MONTHS AND THEN THEY HAVE TO DO POST-PRODUCTION LIKE EDITING AND SOUND AND MUSIC. SO BY THE TIME THE MOVIE ACTUALLY COMES OUT IT WILL PROBABLY BE LIKE 2012.

But that depends on WHEN the WGA stops striking and I’m sure they’re not going to stop until they get what they want. So it could go on for 2 years.

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Kloves did a fantastic job in the OOTP but i wasn’t too happy with composer he really needs to go, I just wish John Williams return for the DH he is simply the best composer around look at his records he has almost composed in every epic movies and i just love the ‘Hogwarts forever’ theme which he used in both the first two harry potter movies also i dont blame Yates about the ending of the OOTP the composer could have made it epic, with his composing, Trust me music at times can be magical but Nicholas Hooper failed to make it sound epic and magical, if there is no music then the film wont be that good and also music should be used more to make most harry potter scenes more emotional

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Gabbie i agree wid ya they needa get John Williams back for DH he is such a epic composer and ya right he composed movies which have been always big hits such as Star wars, JAW, Superman, Indiana Jones, Jurrasic Park, Lord of the Rings, several james bond movies, Dracula, E.T, Empire of the sun, Home alone 1 and 2, Saving private ryan and other classic movies they should really get him back.

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MattyJM:

Dear god even Kloves understands Ron and Hermione better than you do. That takes some feat. Congrats! Now go read the books.

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Wow, I am just amazed at how polarized the fandom is regarding Kloves coming back to write the screenplay for DH. As for whether Kloves will “sabotage” the Ron/Hermione relationship in DH, let’s wait for HBP to come out before we can start judging him again. From what the actors and Yates have said, it seems that Kloves is giving Ron his due in HBP in terms of how much he plays into the story—remember the Quidditch, Lavender, the poisoned mead, etc.?

I, for one, didn’t mind Kloves writing the first four films—he did a fine job with condensing the novels into workable screenplays (not that they were flawless or anything), but they did need a bit of work. I was happy with Goldenberg coming on to write OOTP and I was pleased that he had a better grasp of maintaining the story’s integrity and overall plot. I was a bit miffed at some of the story elements getting short shrift in the film (including Ron’s involvement), but I think that was due to them being cut for time constraints (and not the fault of the screenwriter, because Yates did say his rough cut of OOTP was close to 3 hours long). And J.K. Rowling was happy with Goldenberg coming on to the fifth film, because she was very supportive in what his decisions were in writing the screenplay and what to leave in. (Michael Goldenberg and Steve Kloves are both WGA members, so even if the WB wanted Goldenberg instead of Kloves they’d still have to wait for the strike to end.)

And I think the strike won’t directly affect the production of DH. The film is scheduled for a 2010 release (and filming would have to start early next year), so the strike would have to end close to the end of this year in order for it to have an effect on the production. I think the strike will end by spring or summer of this year, so the DH movie production shouldn’t be affected.

Oh and macka—Howard Shore composed the scores for the LOTR trilogy, John Williams had nothing to do with it.

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Why the hell you guys wants goldenberg back?

he made many mistakes in OOTP

first when harry and the advance guard fly with their broom, why would they fly around the river ? THEY WOULD BE sEEN BY PEOPLE

then there’s Kreacher problem? What’s his role in the movie? just to introduce him?

Then the CHO CHANG problem? why make cho chang the culprit and then nothing, she just gone, missing.

And where the hell is all the dreams? it’s gone!!! there’s just two scene but something that totally nonsense.

And the whole battle in the ministry was cut off!! “they said to make the climax comes early”

and Where’s DObby!!! how they would redeem Dobby in DH if theyy never show him anymore?

My friends who were the biggest fans of HP all said the script of OOTP are the ugliest. And this comes from a freakin film students.

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@gabbie: Interesting that you think that. I actually loved Nicholas Hooper and I’m soooooooooo excited that he’s going to be composing the 6th film too. The OOTP soundtrack is the only one I’ve ever bought because I just loved it so much. John Williams is credited for coming up with the main themes like Hedwig’s Theme and whatever the Harry Potter theme is. But I just really liked Hooper’s spin on it. I wouldn’t mind if he did movie 7, but I think it would also be kind of cool for John Williams to do it since he’s the one who created all the main themes. Patrick Doyle was pretty cool too. But I don’t understand what you mean by Kloves doing a fantastic job with OOTP because he wasn’t even involved in making that movie. I think Micheal goldenberg might have consulted Kloves a couple of times but other than that Kloves didn’t have anything to do with movie 5. That was all Goldenberg, Yates, Craig, Heyman, Barron, and the actors and crew.

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@hagiz: There’s a little thing called creating excitement and that’s what Goldenberg did with that flying scene. I love that scene it looks awesome on screen and the music and the scenery is the icing on the cake. the cinematography is also amazing in that scene.

Obviously, Kreachers role was just an introduction because they did originally cut him out in the first place, they just had to put him back in because JKR told them he would be important.

i thought the Cho Chang being the snitch was a good idea because it gave Harry a reason to end their relationship, but he still felt guilty in the end because he found out Umbridge had given her veritaserum.

i thought that ministry battle was awesome, one of the best action sequences i’ve seen in any movie not just HP.

i personally think they’re just going tobe cutting dobby out of the movie altogether. i mean i think they can work around him in movie 7 and maybe get Kreacher to rescue them instead, but not kill him.

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MattyJM: What you said. You’re quite right to point out that the characters develop at a different pace and get different amounts of airtime along the way, even though all the stories are centred on Harry. Amazing that it has to be spelled out, but there you go. For those who keep boasting about how much they hate the films, please try to stop yourself sinking to ever-nastier depths, ever more slanderous, ever further from the facts.

And while we’re on that, recently JK Rowling said something quite impressive. On PotterCast she took the trouble to prick that bloated balloon of online hate about Michael Gambon. And she did this even while knowing, no doubt, how disappointed some of the hardcore online fringe would be to hear it. The fact is, Gambon is a class act; he was long before the films and he will be long after. So glad that the films have someone who isn’t always mechanically playing along with the hype. Dumbledore’s no saint and Gambon brought that out long before Rowling made it official.

And for the record: last year JK said OotP was “the best”, after having said previously that she had a soft spot for PoA; and at the same time she usually says that she’s happy with all of them. Personally I hope the best is yet to come, and if it does it certainly won’t be achieved by catering to the hateful fan cultists.

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Okay, I’m not going to come down on Kloves just yet, but he ABSOLUTELY MUST KEEP EVERY BIT OF RON IN THE MOVIE!!!! I mean, Ron is such an amazing character, and he has a big role in Deathly Hallows. He must have Ron destroy the locket, he must shout angrily in the basement of Malfoy Manner for Hermione, and he must inturrupt Ginny and Harry mid snog. Sigh, I really think they should just make a ten hour movie and have the script be directly from the book. No cuts, no added “artsy” scenes coughalfonsocuaroncough, and plot points should all be kept in, no matter how small they are. And come on, I would sit through a ten hour movie. How bout you guys?

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We need to mass-protest this lunatics appointment….he is so anti-Ron that it should be investigated. The character of Ron showed tremendous range while Koves was in exhile. The worst part is that Heyman lets him do as he pleases. Defend him all u want, the man uses a template and has no room in any of his four lobes to show any degree of creativity. Might as well bring Columbus back as well. What a farce, and what a sell-out!

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hagiz: don’t say that! Dobby must be kept in!!!! Dobby must! Doby must! He was the only death I truely cried over. I will protest outside of WB if the scene is cut.

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I used to get really angry about had badly written the characters were in the films. Now I’m just kind of resigned to it. The films are a dumbing down of the books. In order to sell the movies as big action filled spectacles – a.k.a the kind of films that make $$$ – then characterisation was one of the first things to go. So they decided to make Ron makie weird faces and act scared all the time because that is what movie sidekicks do for laughs. And Hermione becomes a blonde smirking heroine because in the movies there has to be a female heroine for the tweens to look up to and for the old men to perve over. It is all about the money and complex characterisations of sidekicks like Ron and Herm (and Neville as well – his big scene of glory in DH will be one of the first things to go most likely) just don’t pull in the largest movie audience. Which – unfortunately for the rest of us who enjoy more intelligent films – happens to be the young male movie goer at the moment. Can you imagine that audience caring about the horcrux scene in DH? Me either. They’ll just get confused that the goofy sidekick is getting such an important scene. So no doubt Hermione will get that scene instead.

It’s all about the $$$ unfortunately.

Also I dont get how anyone could get canon and movie Ron and Hermione messed up? They don’t look or act anything alike. They are very easy to tell apart.

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I am going to say something that is very unpopular since everyone loves to blame the directors and writers for everything: Ron and Hermione’s crap characterisation is just as much the fault of the actors as it of the aforementioned directors and writers.

Multiple interviews have proven time and time again that Emma “OMG girl power!” Watson and Rupert “Ron’s a wimp and I hope he dies” Grint that neither actor has much of a handle of the canon characterisations of their characters. Maybe Ron and Hermione wouldn’t be so dumbed down in the movies if the actors themselves understood them better?

Of course Watson and Grint aren’t entirely to blame, but we have to admit that they have played their part.

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Well what do you expect, number 1, its a movie and of course all the potter lovers will be disapointed by the lack of detail (because so am I) its frustrating that directors and screen writers cant get it right for us. If you havent figured it out BOOKS ARE ALWAYS BETTER THAN MOVIES so why the high expectations? Anyway whatever happens in half-blood prince wont matter when DH comes out, which they will have to get right, they know that. relax. Im sure since there gonna want to make more money of the last one, it will be a 2 parter…personally i believe that they will end the first part with ron comming back and destroying the horcrux.

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Why Kloves? Why? *

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I should add that I really don’t want Guillermo del Toro. He is a further example of someone who wants to make the films dark for the sake of being dark.

I desperately want Cuaron back. PoA is still my favourite film to date. PoA had an overall darker tone (which suited it) but still had beautiful emotional moments that I rarely felt in OOTP. Plus it was the best film CGI-wise, in my opinion. Dumbledore still staring at the air after the case around the Goblet has melted away enters my mind at this point. Plus clunky old Grawp and the Centaurs which were kept in shadow since they were badly animated.

I also want John Williams back to score. PoA had my favourite score as well. Window to the Past is still the most gorgeous piece of music in the series to date IMHO and Double Trouble was a genius addition.

If we can’t have John Williams back, then Patrick Doyle would be my next choice, there were still some moving moments in that score. I didn’t like Nicholas Hooper’s score, it didn’t move me at all, although the mixing could have been partially to blame, it totally lacked depth or orchestral flair IMHO.

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@ Deanna: Hermione is definitely GIRL POWER! I think Emma probably knows alot more about Hermione than all the readers. She has been playing her for 7 years and she’s also close with JKR. And I mean seriously how could you have read the books and not think Hermione is kick ass. I mean she: discovered what was in the chamber of secrets, she punched Draco, came up with the idea to create Dumbledore’s Army, made Harry give an interview to Rita Skeeter which led lots of people to believe him, she fought with harry at the ministry, she taught Ron a valuable lesson in book 6, she came up with a cover story while she was being tortured by bellatrix, she accio the horcrux book so that they could know what they were, she was pretty much awesome in every scene in book 7. but you get my point. now if i could only think of some good stuff about Ron…nothing is coming to me at all.

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Celia: It’s Ron’s line from PoA: “If you want to kill Harry, you’ll have to kill us too!”

It was given to Hermione in the PoA film. Apparently this classifies Kloves as a Ron-hater for some reason.

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Celia: I doubt Emma knows much about Hermione if she thinks she’s a feminist. In fact, Hermione is not really kickass at all. I don’t recall Hermione punching Draco, but rather slapping him, which is a very, if you don’t mind me saying, effeminate gesture.

Throughout the books, Hermione is always grabbing onto Harry and Ron’s arms, squealing, being afraid of heights, crying and whatnot. She may be smart, but she’s always guided by Harry. Only in the movies is she directing and uncharacteristic. Not to mention, ruined even further by bad acting.

Ron isn’t very smart like Hermione, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any “good stuff”. And Hermione isn’t as perfect as you would like to think. I have to say that you are a very biased reader, and from what I gather, I think you can’t tell between the movies and the books anymore. Ron AND Hermione come up with Dumbledore’s Army, even though it’s not shown in the movies, it is WRITTEN in the books. It’s a little hard to like a character as much as Hermione, because she’s had a reasonably better childhood than both Harry and Ron. But she’s also high-maintenance, bitchy, bossy, prude, sniffs a lot, and loves ignoring Harry when she thinks he’s wrong. She’s ratting him out, being annoyed at his potion making, thinks he’s being naive when he talks about his theory about the hallows. She doesn’t make many jokes as a character, and is serious.

But I still love Hermione because in the books, I like her nerdiness, and her desperate hand shooting up to answer questions, and looking smug at knowing all the answers… all of which is never shown in the movies.

As for Ron, I find him a wholesome character. I’m very attached to insecure people—those who grow up poor, are sensitive and gets embarrassed easily. His character is fun to read, because he’s not clumsy (as made on in the movies), but he’s got wit in his humor. He’s fun to read about, has his own endearing story about overcoming insecurities, and afterall, he comes back to Harry in the end. While Hermione and Ron are loyal, we know Ron was the one who stepped up first in Year 3 to give up his life. He is always agreeing to Harry’s decisions, while Hermione questions him and only knows one place to go to (books). He’s versatile, and it’s a pity you can only enjoy a character that suffers the least.

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WORLDWIDE GROSSES Please notice who is top and who is bottom.

Rank Title Studio Worldwide 1 Titanic Par. $1,845.0 2 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King NL $1,119.3 3 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest BV $1,066.2 4 Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone WB $976.5 5 Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End BV $961.0 6 Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix WB $938.5 7 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers NL $926.3 8 Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace Fox $924.3 9 Shrek 2 DW $919.8 10 Jurassic Park Uni. $914.7 11 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire WB $896.0 12 Spider-Man 3 Sony $890.9 13 Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets WB $879.0 14 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring NL $871.4 15 Finding Nemo BV $864.6 16 Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith Fox $850.0 17 Spider-Man Sony $821.7 18 Independence Day Fox $817.0 19 Shrek the Third P/DW $797.7 20 Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban WB $795.5

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@ celia I think you misunderstood and twist my word around

about flying scene: I know all about Visual excitement (since I’m in film school) but think about this, they were flying next to a freaking boat. Hmmm.. what would the passenger said when they see 7 people flying WITH A BROOM? crazy?

i bet when you think about it, you’ll feel kinda stupid. They could’ve create the same scenery from flying above the sky. Though it’s not the same, it would still beautiful and not making us dumb.

All the people here are saying kloves didn’t follow the book for Ron. Hey, Goldenberg didn’t follow the rules for wizardry. SO it’s okay to flaunt that you’re a wizard, but it’s not okay just to change a little dialogue?

about Kreacher: Hey if you want to put him in, at least make him do something, not just grumbling some random stuff. I know he was put in later, but it’s not an excuse not to create a better story?

about cho chang: you got me wrong here. I don’t have a problem with cho chang being a snitch. but They made a big mistake by not solving her character in the end. They just leave her behind. We never even saw her again after the punishment by Umbridge.

So how would we feel for Harry Potter’s feeling bad, when he can’t show it? (since cho Chang nowhere to be found)

A bout the last battle: what are talking about? 2 & 1/2 minutes battle? you called it awesome? where’s the brain room? I told my friend who never read harry potter before that the climax would be awesome, when he watched it. He said it was awful. Where’s the golden statue? I think you need to see them again. coz the first time you watch HP, there’s this rush. so everything is good.

About Dobby: if they cut dobby out in 7, they’re stupid. Dobby’s scene will be the most dramatic scene in 7 coz all along we know dobby is crazy elf. so when he finally become a hero and die, it would be so powerful. do you honestly believe if Kreacher save harry, it would be as dramatic?

or when we see kreacher leading a bunch of houseelf for the first time, would it be the same as i we already see him before? and making kreacher save them would ensue more question. how did he escape from the house? who told him that they’re there?

There’s a lot more stuff that i couldn’t even remember that makes OOTP a HP film with a beautiful scenery, & cinematography but lacking in the story area.

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Oh dear. Looks like I’ve been put in place by a canon “expert.” Thanks so much for that, Celia. I never realised that Hermione punched Draco in book three instead of slapping him. Silly me.

"Ron is always scared and nervous,"

Yeah, and I’m Tutankhamun. Look, your inability to tell the difference between the books, the films and your own fantasies are your own loss. Not to mention the difference between characterization and plot device (I notice those who worship Hermione as a Mary Sue have this problem a lot.) And the correlation between girl power and physical violence makes me sad. Have fun, though!

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Goldenberg butchered OotP. Kloves was more true to the books than him, although there was a lot of stuff left out there also. OotP had so much changed, the first scene taking place in a viaduct of some sort, Neville finding the Room of Requirement, Dobby’s absence, The WEAK “MoM” battle, Ron and Hermoine looking like they were mad at Harry throughout the movie, Umbridge giving the O.W.L. examinations. The list goes on and on. The only way to do the book (DH) justice, is to get someone who will stay true to the book and keep in the key points. This is the end of an extremely fantastic series. It needs someone who has read the books through a few times and understands the way JKR Writes and thinks and how much us fans love the stories. We were short changed on OotP. Don’t let the Finale be the same! Please!!!!!!

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Wow! I need to read comments more often. Didn’t know there were so many others who are sick of Kloves’ interpretation of the books, thinks he misrepresents Ron dramatically (when he bothers putting him in at all), and would really like Hermione better if she was written as Hermione (not an all-knowing Wonder Woman).

Kloves also seems to ignore Snape (certainly after the first two movies). Not sure how lightning struck tower will play out if he pares down his role much more. Maybe he’ll only get to say “Avada”; the whole spell would keep Rickman on screen too long.

Please: no Kloves (although that doesn’t seem likely). No Cuaron (director of the most boring HP film ever – slept through end twice and never bothered watching again). And no Del Toro (he thinks Cuaron did a great job & is excited by the way he completely ignored the book to go off in a totally different direction).

Spielberg could be interesting.

Like Yates a lot, but 3rd film probably too much. Liked Chris Columbus - did not find him pedestrian and unimaginative, just true to the books (plus he had to develop the whole visual HP world from scratch) - but no chance there.

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but…but… Kloves is the worst thing about the entire franchise… Why would they do that to people who enjoy the books?

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“I doubt Emma knows much about Hermione if she thinks she’s a feminist. In fact, Hermione is not really kickass at all.” burningpumpkins

No you’re right, she isn’t kickass; she betrays an uncertain side in pressured situations and does look to Harry for leadership. As does Ron, too, though.

You don’t need to be kickass to be a feminist though; you can even be feminine and be a feminist. Hermione is feminist with a small f in that, from time to time, she does leap down the boys’ throats when they appear to make sexist comments (or she interprets perfectly innocent remarks as sexist!), eg in GOF when discussing potential Yule Ball partners, or HBP when discussing the gender of the Prince.

By the way, I don’t think Hermione and Ron are equals in DH so Kloves will be in his element. I think Hermione has a really crucial role to play in the book, almost as important as Harry, whereas Ron is nothing. It’s not just her knowledge but her support, loyalty and care for Harry that becomes important.

But Hermione’s softer side is something they don’t get right in the films and I hope they get it right for DH. I love her in DH, especially when Harry’s going through that crisis after Godrics Hollow. She takes over from Ron in the loyal and supportive role (she does in GOF too, come to think of it); I do wonder why people think it’s Ron who’s thought the loyal one.

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Good to see the harmoanians out it force

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Okay clearly my comments affected alot of people, but whatever!

@burningpumpkins: Okay first of all I just listened to JKR’s interview with podcast and it came from the CREATOR herself that Hermione is a feminist!! I mean seriously how could you not think Hermione isn’t a feminist??? She believes in education more than “looking pretty” and flirting with boys and primping in front of a mirror! And I think it’s perfectly NORMAL for her to get scared when she’s riding on the back of a hippogriff and a dragon when she can be bucked off at any second i would be scared to death too. All the situations in the book where Hermione is scared, everyone else is or would be scared. The only person who isn’t is Harry and we all know he has this freakin’ unnatural bravery. He’s not scared of anything.

and i’m not surprised you brought up the bad acting thing, because i suspected that this was probably a jealousy issue involving emma watson and you’re just taking it out on Hermione. I think all the trio are awesome actors by the way. And I never said Hermione was perfect. she’s one of my favorite characters but she DOES have her annoying moments like Harry and Ron. Like in book 6 when she and ron didn’t believe Harry about draco that was annoying and in book 7 when she was reluctant to believe Harry about the Deathly Hallows, that was a little annoying until we found out that dumbledore had wanted that to happen in the first place. But I don’t think any of the characters are perfect, they all have flaws. I just happen to love the character of Hermione because she represents the strong females in the books and there aren’t that many of them and Hermione is the main one.

and i’m still confused about what everyone has against the movie Hermione because I think she’s just as clever and annoying in the movies as she is in the books. So what’s the deal seriously?? they don’t put in every single funny thing Ron says or every little mean thing that Draco and Snape say either, so those characters aren’t precisely like they are in the books either. the only one who is pretty much identical to the book character is Harry because in the movies they focus primarily on Harry’s journey and all the other characters are pretty much secondhand. But I think Hermione in the movies is spot on and so is Ron, but obviously that’s just me.

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@ hagiz: yeah i know what you meant about the flying scene i was just saying i didn’t care about it technically “violating wizarding laws” because the lighting from the boat and the city lights made the scene look amazing onscreen. And if they had been all the way up in the sky then it would have just looked like that scene on the thestrals at the end.

About Kreacher…hmmm…i’m trying to think of what exactly he DID in book 5 other than wondering around and mumbling random stuff, but for some reason nothing else is coming to mind. it might because he DIDN’T do anything else but that, unless you count that part when he lies to Harry.

Again about Cho, I don’t recall Harry and her really wrapping things up in the book either that’s why they kind of avoided each other in book 6. but i mean when snape says in the movie, ” you used the last of my veritaserum interrogating ms. chang” harry looks shocked and guilty. so that wrapped it up for me. i personally didn’t need to see a scene with harry apologizing especially since i already knew he would end up with ginny anyways. so who cares.

about he battle, like i said I thought it was awesome. I saw the fountain in that dumbledore and voldemort battle it just didn’t spring to life, but again i didn’t really care about that because i didn’t really like that part in the book anyways. but i saw the movie 3 times in the theaters and that battle scene was amazing everytime i couldn’t even breathe. especially on that part when voldemort breaks all the glass and then dumbledore turns it to stone. freakin’ awesome.

i don’t really care about dobby. i really think they may cut him out of movie 7 altogether to be honest and i really don’t care. i mean i like him in the books, but he’s just null and void in the movies. the books and movies are two completely different things, so everything isn’t going to be in there. i’m a huge fan of both of them and i don’t even think about the books while i’m watching the movie. i mean you said you were a film student so i would think that you would do the same. you should know that what works on paper does NOT always work onscreen.

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@anne: i agree with you; however i think hermione’s softer side is in the movies. i see it atleast. she has the same type of mothering role in the films as she does in the movies. but as far as loyalty goes i think Hermione is alot more loyal than Ron. ron is definitely loyal, but Ron also gets jealous of harry alot which leads him to get angry at harry for no reason and therefore basically abandon him. I mean Hermione never left Harry once the whole series except for that time in book 3 when harry and ron were mad at her but that wasn’t her fault. But Ron left harry twice, even dumbledore knew that even though ron was very loyal to harry, he wasn’t the most reliable person which is why he gave ron the deluminator.

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