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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)
Companion BooksAn update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.
A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:
Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.
Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.
The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”
JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”
When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:
“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”
The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)
The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”
RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”
The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’
The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.
The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”
You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.
UPDATE
We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:
1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”
2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”
3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)
4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.
5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”
6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.
7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”
The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:
-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)
It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.
The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.
The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.
RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.
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Without knowing this entire situation from all points of view, it’s hard for me to say exactly how I feel.. except that I’m extremely saddened (and a bit annoyed) that this had to happen.
Steve Vander Ark and his associates’ work on the free Lexicon website is nothing less than impressive, but I really think it’s ABSOLUTELY necessary that J.K. Rowling and the Harry Potter series are given the respect that they deserve (which happens to be lots and lots and lots and lots)...

I agree, just add the “period” between the “2” and the “jpg” in the file name of the second page, press return and I can see the document. Intel iMac with Firefox.

I agree with the opinion “The longer this goes on, the more stupid RDR looks.” I suppose, assuming SVA is not supporting this lawsuit thing, or anyways that he is not the villain if we knew “the whole story,” that eventually he will, reguardless of legal stuff, just tell the whole story so he doesn’t have to be known as one of the biggest fans in existence and then to be known as “That-Guy-From-The-Lexicon-That-Got-Sued-And-Brought-Horrific-Dishonor-On-The-Fandom.”

It would be best if Vander Ark and RDR would drop the whole thing. I have no intention of buying the book and I have removed the Lexicon from my favorites list and have no intention of using it anymore. Vander Ark and RDR have become a joke.

HPL is a decent site, but I find the Harry Potter Wiki more useful overall – harrypotter.wikia.com. I, too, have stopped using HPL.

I’m stunned! I really hope those guys fall flat in their faces in this lawsuit and get even their websites put out… I would like like that.

SVA should write a book called “How to Crap on a Fandom”. I know he’s got lots of his own original material he could use for that, so no one would sue him for copyright infringement.
I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Wow, they DO have some nerve asking Jo for her encyclopedia notes! Ha! They are delusional…

Typical american behavior – greed for money, fame and recognition. When all others would’ve stopped this madness law quarrel long ago and admitted they were wrong, the americans behind Lexicon insist on pursruing a futile future for their publication. What is it with these guys? It makes me sick!
I know that not all americans are like this, but we see this sort of behavior every day anyway and we say – “Only in America!”, meaning it couldn’t happen elsewhere.

I would hardly blame Steve for this ordeal at all, except for choosing RDR as a publisher. To anybody wishing to publish a book: Be careful when choosing a publisher.
I am completely on JKR’s side here, but I can’t believe some of the people who are vowing to never use the Lexicon again and dismissing his love of Harry Potter as a fraud. You can’t possibly create (with or without helpers) a website as detailed as the Lexicon and not be devoted to the subject. That’s insane! I’m not about to detail every single bit of information contained in The Scarlet Letter because I’m out to make money.
There’s another point, too: When has Steve ever made money off the Lexicon before? He can (and does) hardly pay the employees he has now.
I think he had good intentions for making the book. I definitely don’t think he did it explicitly for financial gain.
That’s all for Steve. RDR, on the other hand, I think was in it for the money to begin with and took advantage of Steve’s idea and milked it for all it was worth. I’m sure RDR knew what they were getting into and proceeded along anyway because it would be their biggest sell yet. I think RDR deliberately ignored warnings because they never thought JKR would take legal action against someone like Steve, or against as small of a company as theirs.
I think they’re really playing up the big-dog-vs.-little-dog act. And it’s despicable. Not only are they ruining what little credibility they had as a publishing company, they’re also making fools of themselves and Steve in front of the world, not to mention putting out a poor image of the Harry Potter fandom in general.
I’m sure they’re silencing Steve in some way – at least, I hope so.

I dont trust any information about Harry Potter unless it comes from Jo herself, but that is because I truely respect her, and love her for what she has done. This would be like in highschool where you were in a group and someone did all the work and then the rest took the credit for doing nothing. Tis a shame. I wont buy any encyclopedia but hers. At least it has nothing to do with stupid fundamentalists! Ha Ha. ( I hate them)

hehe nice one tyler.
this is the most ridiculous thing i’ve ever heard. not only is it peddling someone’s works as your own, but having the audacity to charge for it. Morons. did they really think they’d get away with it?

David, i’m pretty sure steve makes money off the ads on his site…

The first thing I thought when I finished reading this post was “The nerve of some people…!!”. What’s next? Are they going to search her house for post-its? Subpoena her harddrive? Tsk, tsk…

But, Nicole, from my understanding the ads are a recent thing (since Leaky will no longer be hosting the Lexicon, correct??), and also, as has been mentioned even in the court papers, JK/WB have no problem with ads being used on sites to cover your typical webhosting/bandwidth costs—such ads really aren’t ‘for profit’ as the book would be.
As for this ‘request’ from RDR books? I’ll admit, I pretty much literally had to bite my tongue when I read the part about them not just requesting her notes but requesting “The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.” because I was ready to say some choice words that would’ve been inappropriate for my work place.
I’m grateful the judge denied that request and is limiting it solely to the interview transcripts (from my understanding, that’s all JK/WB has to provide).
RDR is just looking worse and worse in my eyes.

“Wow, they’ve got some nerve…”
You took the words right out of my mouth.
These RDR people make me SO ANGRY!

THIS IS UNBELIEVABLY STUPID!!!
I mean, how can they think Jo is going to just give up all of her notes and anything she has ever compiled about HP?! She has every right to keep what is rightfully hers, and is legally COPYRIGHTED to her.
But, I can understand RDR’s angle too. A tone of other books were published abou7t HP, for example, the book The Complete Idiot’s Guide to The World of Harry Potter. BUT…...there is a disclaimer. Its even directly printed on the cover in about 11 point font that says:
“This book was not authorized, prepared, approved, licensed, or endorsed by J.K Rowling, Scolastic, Warner Bros., or any other individual or entity associated with the Harry Potter books or movies.”
So, abviously they never wanted Jo’s support or knowledge in order to publish the book. RDR is directly asking Jo for her entire arsonal of info she has compiled over the past ten or so years. Thats a lot to ask.
I say drop the case and use your own sources and imagination to write the book!

Thank you Leaky for writing these summaries and for being so objective on the whole RDR matter, you are a top quality journalist Melissa.

Karen_W “Fishing for more of JK’s material, are they?” That’s exactly what I thought when I read it!

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@ May.
The request was denied, hon.