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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)
Companion BooksAn update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.
A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:
Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.
Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.
The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”
JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”
When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:
“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”
The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)
The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”
RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”
The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’
The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.
The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”
You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.
UPDATE
We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:
1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”
2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”
3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)
4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.
5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”
6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.
7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”
The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:
-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)
It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.
The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.
The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.
RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.
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In case you haven’t read correctly, RDR is asking for JKR’s notes as proof in their case.
If you think that they’ve asked for it so that they could use her material, a) actually read the article b) think about exactly how they would explain how they got that new material without incriminating themselves
Wow, there’s a load of conspiracy theorists here.

THEY DID NOT. jo’s notes are her own, and no one else should be allowed access to them, they are all her brilliant ideas, not for someone else to see for ‘evidence’



RDR is out of line, but the lawyers request isn’t stupid because if they had got a lucky judgment they could have forced JKR/WB to drop some of the case because Jo would be unlikely to allow her notes to be copied in this way, and it would take an enormous effort to even copy Jo’s notes which are unstructured, sometimes on random bits of paper and in several boxes. So from their point of view it was definitely worth a try.

Its ridiculous that they would request she hand over such materials. Unthinkable that her original work must be turned over, and lets face it, no doubt leaked so then RDR can claim “well the public know now so no harm in printing the Lexicon” Some court that is!
If this book from the Lexicon is ever published I would seriously support a boycott…..and a boycott of the website for that matter. In the beginning I was trying not to cast judgement but always supporting Jo’s rights, but the more and more I read, the more I’m disgusted that a FAN would do this to her. Its HER world, SHE created it, SHE has the rights so she has every justification in stopping the Lexicon book.
I haven’t touched the site in ages because of all this, kinda feels like I’m betraying Jo and the world she gave us if I did. And after reading this, the URL has been removed from my bookmarks for good. I’m disgusted by the whole thing.

All this reminds me of the old adage – the wheels of justice move SLOWLY.
Harry may become a grandfather before this is decided.

It “s time for the fans to rise up and ban all that the Lexicon has to offer. I can’t believe a SO CALLED FAN of Harry Potter would do this. When the profit of this book is going to charity. SHAME ON YOU RDR. I will never buy anything from you. Sorry Leakey I know your friends with Lexicon, but its time.

I don’t think that RDR should be asking for Jo’s notes. The world of Harry potter is Jo’s PRODUCT for the public’s consumption. We as a public, have a right to buy the product, but do not have the right to its recipe. Do we have the right to coka-cola’s secret recipe? No. No more than we have the right to Jo’s recipe for Potter, unless she sees fit to give it to us.

i am a fan of jkrowling an love the books alot, but i think she can sometimes be a little mean(maybe just snippy). anyways i think she is overreacting! does she really think the lexicon is big competition?

A brief response to David.
Somebody said “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.”
I’m sorry, a can’t attribute the quote, but apparently RDR believes this. The more outrageous their requests whether denied or approved by the judge, it makes news, and advertises their proposed publication.
I too will not purchase any publication from RDR. I seriously doubt that they will prevail in this suit.
I just hope the foo-foo-rah of all this does not sour Jo on her ‘Scottish Book’ as she referred to her Encyclopedia during her interview on Pottercast.
OMT

Janie… It’s not the competition…
They’re nicking her stuff!
OMT

This is so stupid, the lexicon is not a ‘product’ and I think it has no right to anything, it was supposed to be for Steve’s enjoyment while he used his ‘skills’ to compile an online and free encyclopedia of sorts and has turned into a huge mess because of greed and selfishness. Where does Steve get off as a ‘fan’, whose only ‘skill’ is free-time, questioning JKR’s intentions and attempting to pry her private notes about HP from her. If Steve was a true fan he would accept whatever decision JKR makes and get over the so called ‘skills’ it took him to rip off JKR’s work. Encase you haven’t realised, I personally hope JKR/WB absolutely burn Steve/RDR for whatever they are worth!

janie: It isn’t just the book itself, because if Jo let this one through the market would be swamped by similar books.

What a complete joke. At this point, Van der Ark seems to be only pressing the point as a matter of ornery, childish pride. Just let it go, dude. It’s not your story or your characters. Never has been, never will be. Just PLEASE drop this silly pissiness (because that’s what it is now-pure pissiness) before the real writer gets so sick of the idea of the encyclopedia that she says a resigned ‘eff, it man. Jusssst eff it.’ (Which is what I would do, but I’m just like that. Hahaha). Also, to anyone saying that JKR is the one losing face here-Are you mad, darlings? What part of, ‘Harry Potter is hers’ is not ringing clearly, here? I just cannot fathom…Jeez, I don’t even know what I can’t fathom, this case is so ridiculous.

”...granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.”
How can almost every HP fan know of JK’s plans for an encyclopedia, but SVA and RDR do not???? Talk about playing dumb.
“The letter asks for: ... ...4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’”
And how would they go about that? Hook her up to a lie dector? Veritaserum? I keep on thinking of the brains in the department of mysteries.

Okay, I’m not sure why my text is struck out up there, but just ignore it.

Wow… unbelievable. I’m sure most posters have a similar reaction, but I can not believe these RDR people. They want the stuff in JKR’s “creative mind”??? They want to judge the progress of her encyclopedia? There making themselves sound like idiots who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar and are now just trying to cloud things with their obnoxious behavior. I know this sounds terrible, but I hope JKR/WB just trounce RDR in this lawsuit.

Though I can understand their need for discovery and wanting to see whether or not JK’s notes would in fact “infringe” in Lexicon’s book, it just seems like an awfully suspicious way of going about it. Especially considering that she has been talking about writing her own type of Encyclopedia (full of information that no one but her knows) for months, since “Deathly Hallows” came out in fact, when questions about whether or not this was the end of Harry Potter and the entire Potter World (especially with that Epilogue) first came about.
For RDR to want to see every note she has that she would be using for the encyclopedia, seems not only ridiculous, but rather suspicious, simply on the grounds that I’m sure her husband doesn’t even know half the things she has written down. Despite the fact that she has done a very large amount of interviews since July, there is no way that anyone, with the exception of JK herself, knows everything that is going to be in that book. We know some (what happened to each character after the end, but after all, do any of us know what happened to say…Madame Rosemerta? Because I have yet to hear about her) but we don’t know everything. And we shouldn’t know everything. That’s half the fun of waiting. We get to hang out with our Potter friends and talk about what happened to each character and when her book finally comes out some of us will be right and some will be wrong.
RDR, in his very strong feelings to want everything JK has every written, is only making himself look as though he is digging for things that his client doesn’t already know so that if he becomes the victor of the suit, his client will have that much more in his book.
We must also remember that JK’s biggest problem with this book is that she wants to write one herself. That she loves her characters. She wants to keep them hers. That if anyone is going make profit off of them, it should be her, as they have been hers from day one. She plans on making an encyclopedia herself, for charity.
We must also remember that if this was anyone of us, if someone had taken our characters whom we had lovingly, painstakingly written for 17 years and turned them into a book of their own, with no new ideas, and was turning it out for profit, we would be equally out raged. Because though they are not a tangible thing, Harry Potter is a person who lives solely in our imaginations of the pages of a book, she deserves the right to do with him what she will. With no one else tainting them.

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Leaky Poll
Moving the HBP film to July 2009 is:
- Completely unforgivable16 (45%)
- Annoying, but I'll get over it13 (37%)
- Not something I care about.1 (2%)
- Cool; who wants to go to the movies in the winter anyway?1 (2%)
- Awesome! I get to save $10 until next year.0 (0%)
- Awesome! I get to save $10 because now I'm skipping this movie!3 (8%)
- I've made a Facebook group, started a protest, called my local councilman, staged a sit-in, started a boycott, and organized a million-fan march because we won't stand for the - wait, what was this about again?1 (2%)
“Wow, they’ve got some nerve…”
Definitely. RDR is way out of line.