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Lexicon Update; Schedule Moved, RDR Request for JK Rowling's Notes Denied (Updated)
Companion BooksAn update containing JKR/WB’s response to RDR’s requests for information is at the second half of this post.
A few things of note today in the case by JKR/WB against RDR Books and those who wish to publish a print version of the Harry Potter Lexicon:
Firstly, the schedule has been moved again. RDR requested and received an extension to file their reply to the complaint. It was scheduled to be due on Feb. 5; it is now due Feb. 8. JKR/WB will reply by Feb. 27. There will be a hearing on the matter in New York on March 13.
Secondly, a judge has denied RDR’s request for copies of the notes that would comprise J.K. Rowling’s encyclopedia, but granted that JKR/WB submit statements J.K. Rowling has made in “publications” regarding her plans for her encyclopedia.
The letter, which you can download here in parts one, two, three and four (or view online here), is from David Hammer, lawyer for RDR, and says that the notes are requested in order to “test the merits” of J.K. Rowling’s claims that she is going to write an encyclopedia and that part of the reason for suppressing the HPL would be to suppress potential competition. RDR asked for “copies of any prepatory materials that Ms. Rowling has drafted or authorized to be drafted, including notes, outlines, drafts, marketing proposals, etc.”
JKR/WB indicated to RDR that they would resist the request, and so RDR asked the judge to convene a discovery conference, which occurred on Nov. 30. At the conference RDR argued, according to this letter, that the notes would determine “how far Ms. Rowling had progressed in this project…how similar, and thus how competitive, Ms. Rowling’s guide, and the Lexicon, were likely to be.” At the time, the letter says, the judge “expressly stated that defendant was entitled to anything that Ms. Rowling had so far composed or authorized.”
When RDR made the request for the papers, a lawyer for Ms. Rowling responded that:
“Ms. Rowling has made notes relating to each of the seven Harry Potter books which she will use in writing her long-planned Harry Potter companion guide. In addition, Scholastic’s Harry Potter continuity editor, Cheryl Klein, among others, has indexed the characters, places, creatures, spells and other things from the Harry Potter world which Ms. Rowling created. Ms. Rowling’s U.K. publisher, Bloomsbury, has similarly copiled four huge volumes of material constituting a comprehensive ‘bible’ of the Harry Potter world. Ms. Rowling believes the information from Scholastic and Bloomsbury to be more detailed and accurate than any other outside source (other than herself) regarding the Harry Potter series, including the Lexicon Website. Ms. Rowling would be free to draw on the materials from either of her two publishers should she choose to do so. The process of turning her existing notes into the definitive encyclolpedic Harry Potter companion guide is ongoing and is being continually augmented with the addition of further material from her creativemind on a regular basis.”
The letter states that RDR submitted a request for the materials in that response, and that JKR/WB provided nothing. (However, large portions of the Harry Potter ‘bible’ mentioned are freely available in the public court documents filed on January 16.)
The letter also states that JKR/WB responded that RDR’s request was “irrelevant and not calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence as the status of Ms. Rowling’s planned companion guide is irrelevant to the determination of whether Defendant has infringed Plaintiff’s copyrights in the existing Harry Potter works at issue.”
RDR says, “If plaintiffs no longer assert that the Lexicon must be suppressed to protect Ms. Rowling’s right to publish a future companion guide, they should make a clear and explicit statement to that effect. Absent such a statement, Ms. Rowling’s notes are highly relevant to this case.”
The letter asks for: 1. The notes that JKR has made on the seven novels 2. Cheryl Klein’s full index 3. Bloomsbury’s ‘comprehensive bible’ 4. The ‘further material from Ms. Rowling’s creative mind.’
The letter also notes that JKR/WB cited confidentiality concerns and stated they are willing to abide by any ‘lawyers only’ restriction to the review of materials, except for one expert witness.
The note from the judge at the bottom of the letter requires JKR/WB to provide RDR with statements contained in publications listed by JKR/WB in a response to one of RDR’s claims, but denies the rest, saying that RDR has “not shown the Court that any further discovery about Ms. Rowling’s notes would be helpful to Defendant’s position.”
You can read the full breakdown of the complaint filed by JKR/WB here and here. We will provide more information as it becomes available.
UPDATE
We’ve now reviewed the JKR/WB response to RDR’s requests (which also includes the text of those requests), which was sent as a letter to Judge Patterson, the NY judge overseeing the case. This is a 21 page document that says:
1. JKR/WB object to what it sees as RDR’s “pattern of writing the Court whenever it wishes without first making any effort to meet and confer, lte alone giving sufficient advance notice of its intended communication with the Court.”
2. The lawyers on the JKR/WB side called the attempt to access the “top secret, personal, proprietary notes” as “extremely burdensome and unnecessary for the resolution of any issue in this case, particularly in light of Ms. Rowling’s interrogatory responses and the documents that Plaintiffs produced in support of theirm otion for preliminary injunctin.”
3. At the Nov. 30 hearing RDR said it required “expedited discovery” to determine the ‘palpability’ of JKR’s planned encyclopedia, and that the court said RDR could serve interrogatories (which are requests for information) as well as seek discovery on any manuscript. That manuscript would be subject of review inside the judge’s chambers (not handed over). (The Court, according to this letter, did not originally grant full right to JKR’s notes at the Nov. 30 meeting, just gave RDR the right to request it – and presumably prove why they are necessary.)
4. JKR/WB responded to those requests for info by saying there was no manuscript of outline but that JKR had notes, and her publishers had indexes. After this response RDR requested “All COMMUNICATIONS and DOCUMENTS REFERRING OR RELATING TO” [caps in document] JKR’s notes as well as any further material. JKR/WB’s side say they far exceed the scope of discovery that RDR indicated it would require on Nov. 30, and says that they thought the documents from Scholastic and Bloomsbury filed with the motion for injunction would suffice to fulfill RDR’s request.
5. The note calls JKR’s notes and publishers’ materials “completely irrelevant” to the question of whether the Lexicon book infringes copyright. “Obviously, needing to concede copying, RDR’s defense to such copying is based on fair use. It is in connection with RDR’s fair use defense that Plaintiffs have addressed the issue of potential market harm. ... Whether or not the books would be similar or identical and therefore directly competing is not the correct inquiry; it is rather whether or not Ms. Rowling would generally enter the market for companion books, which she already has done with her first two companion guides and has repeatedly stated she will continue to do with her planned encyclopedia to the world of Harry Potter.”
6. Even were the notes relevant, the letter says, JKR/WB is not saying that JKR’s notes are similar to the Lexicon book but that Scholastic and Bloomsbury’s guides that JKR may draw on are similar to the Lexicon book.
7. JKR’s “overwhelmingly sensitive” notes would serve “no legitimate purpose othre htan to harass Ms. Rowling. Rather, the burden of producing these notes far outweighs any benefit to RDR in obtaining them.”
The exhibit attached is an objection to RDR’s requests for then notes, saying that the requests:
-Seek information that is protected by attorney-client privilege, work-prouct doctrine, right to privacy and “any other applicable legal, statutory or constitutional privilege.” -Seek the disclosure of confidential, proprietary or trade secret informatoin -Seek information that RDR may otherwise obtain from public sources (ie, whehter JKR plans to write a companion book or not, not the content of her notes)
It also notes the objections don’t constitute acknowledgment of the relevance, importance or admissibility of any issue discussed.
The first request from RDR (No. 1) was for: outlines, proposals, manuscripts, marketing plans, lettres of intent or contracts that JKR has drafted, authorized to be draftd, or received from any of hre employees or agents concerning the encyclopedia. RDR asked that JKR/WB describe each document’s contents in detail, identify when it was composed and where it is presently located, and who holds it. JKR/WB responded that the request was vague and ambiguous, overbroad and unduly burdensome, because it does not seek a response toa question and is supopsed to be part of an expedited discovery process, which “generally only allows for very limited discovery demands.” It is apparently also very different than what was asked for on Nov. 30.
The second request from RDR (No. 2) was for JKR/WB to identify and describe all communications about the encyclopedia involving JKR or “any person that [she] has authorized to act on her behalf, and ay other person,” and to describe the content, idenfity when the communication took place, and identify the parties involved for each communication. JKR/WB’s response was the same as for No. 1, generally – claiming it is burdensome and overbroad, and not relevant, and such information subject to many restrictions, including lawyer-client privilege. It also notes that JKR has told reps from hre literary agency from as early as 2000, of her plans to write such an encyclopedia, and her agency has acted on her behalf to many other parties since 2001 – including pubilshers – though no contracts have been drawn. It also says she has made many public statements to that effect.
RDR, this exhibit reveals, also attached to its requests for information a press report from MTV News that says JK Rowling has not yet started her encyclopedia,and will take a break from writing before she does. RDR requested that JKR/WB state whether that is true, and describe any further public statements – as well as identify by name, address, phone number and affiliation the reporters who were present at that press conference, as well as a transcript of the press conference. JKR/WB responded with similar complaints to No. 1 and No. 2, and says that the quote is not inaccurate in that JKR had not yet, at the time of that conference, started to turn her notes into a manuscript, but she is “augmenting her existing notes.” She took a break after her tour, but “nevertheless penned some additional materials that are intended for inclusion in her Harry Potter companion guide.” The document then lists instances of 88 press reports of her statements on the encyclopedia ranging back to 2001, and mentions television interviews as well as Leaky’s PotterCast interview and several other web site postings that dealt with the possibility of her publishing an encyclopedia. This is the portion of RDR’s requests for info that the judge granted – that JKR/WB describe these statements, most or all of which are public record.
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Remember, friends – the real battle is going to be over the brand. If “Harry Potter” and all the words associated with the Harry Potter world are branded (and not just images from the movies, but the intellectual property – the words themselves) that will have an enormous impact on internet publications of fan sites and fan fiction and fan commentaries. As fans we need to think about this very very carefully.
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I hope RDR wins.
JKR wants the book blocked because she say she thinks it will hurt sales of her own work. That is ludicrous. No one can possibly believe that the millions of HP fans around the world won’t buy a new book about the HP world penned by JK herself. Further, The Lexicon is an encyclopedia of established events, places and characters in the HP world. The JKR book will reveal a lot of new information and is unlikely to be a simple listing.
WB wants to block the book because they are greedy. There is no other good reason for them to do so. WB wants to establish they own an intellectual monopoly over the works of JKR that they can milk for years to come.
The Lexicon isn’t a derivative work. It’s not like they’ve copy/pasted the HP books into new bindings. Instead the Lexicon is a reference guide that is nearly useless without a copy of the HP books themselves and is unlikely to interest anyone that isn’t a fan of the books. By asking for proof that JKR is actually working on an encyclopedia-like volume herself, RDR has made a very smart move by challenging JKR/WB to prove the truth to their claims of competing material.
Last, if the courts find against RDR what will be next? Will online versions of the Lexicon (or similar sites) be declared in violation of copyright? It seems logical to assume the answer is yes.

That is very cheeky/rude to ask for all her notes. Wow! I can’t believe RDR even tries to go this far. shakes head sadly
Until now I didn’t want to decide who is right, but with this request, RDR has lost all my sympathy.

newbis JK stated that the site is free for everyone and therefore she permits it.
And have you seen the copies of the Lexicon book? There were pages in the last report about the case. The book will be nothing like the website.

Can anyone point me in the direction of the court documents

Response to newbis:
Wow, I knew there were still some that were supporting RDR, but just, wow.
It’s been mentioned several times before, you say that only fans of Harry Potter would buy the book and that of course they’d buy The Scottish Book as well. What about kids who get the Lexicon as a gift (from someone not familiar enough with the HP world to know that the Lexicon is not the official encyclopedia: see court documents/the survey that was taken regarding the cover of the book) and than there parents refuse to get them The Scottish Book because they already have one HP encyclopedia and that they don’t need another?
If even one person buys the Lexicon and does not buy the Scottish Book when it comes out, that is detracting from JK’s sales (not to mention, the proceeds from The Scottish Book would be going to charity, not personal profit)
WB/JK want to block the book because it infringes on their copyright and does not follow Fair Use practices. Is WB interested in money? Of course they are, they’re a business, it’s their job to want to make money. Part of that making money though is protecting what rights they own because if they don’t, they can loose those rights just by not acting (one of the legal beagles may be able to clarify that for me if I’m wrong).
As for RDR’s request being a smart move to prove for competing material? Even if JK weren’t writing The Scottish Book it wouldn’t change that the Lexicon is infringing on her copyrights, the Seinfeld case (I believe) proved this. Also, the competition issue is only one of the 4 (?) issues regarding in Fair Use (again, legal beagles please correct me if I’m wrong).
Hope I made sense, sorry if I didn’t.

Slayer said “Can anyone point me in the direction of the court documents”
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/new-york/nysdce/1:2007cv09667/315790/

Slayer: The court documents are on the justia.com website at http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/new-york/nysdce/1:2007cv09667/315790/

Slayer, if for some reason the address I posted doesn’t work (it doesn’t work for me when I copy and paste it but it does when I click on it—weird), then just go to one of the previous leaky news postings on this and follow the link to justia they have in there:
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2008/1/17/jkr-wb-file-full-request-for-injunction-part-2/comments/9

The real issue here is the audacity the lexicon had to claim she endorsed the publication of his unofficial material.

LMB3:
The problem is essentially this.
1. JKR & WB do not have an objection to non-for-profit fan endeavors such as websites and fan fiction. The Lexicon website is therefore allowed to exist.
2. RDR/SVA decide to publish the Lexicon for profit. JKR/WB say “no, you can’t do that, it’s copyright infringment.”
3. RDR/SVA say, “Well, you allowed the Lexicon website to exist, and that’s copyright infringement too! Therefore, you have no right to object to the book!”
Thus, if they win the lawsuit, it will be a precedent for any website in the future who wants to publish their derivative contents (fanfic, fanart, etc) for profit. If this becomes precedent, then JKR/WB will have to restrict fan activity to make sure there’s no Snape/Mrs. Norris slash being published and sold to unwitting children.

I wish this idiot would just drop it. He is appearing more and more (to this legally trained mind, anyway) like a creepy stalker with grandiose thoughts that they he and Rowling are somehow “peers.” Harry Potter and his world are JKR’s IP. Period.
LET IT GO so JKR will have time to finish the book and publish it!
Madeleine

Since all of this nonsense has started, I refuse to go to the lexicon site and I will never ever buy this book. I cannot beleive how Steve Vander Ark and his party is acting. I have lost all respect for him.

All I can say is, “Give me a break RDR! It’s HER World. If she says no then that’s how it has to be!”

QueenCirce:
If they allow the publication of the book I don’t think it will have anything to do with that argument. The lawyers on both sides are throwing every legal argument they can find at each other, in hopes that one of them sticks.
It would be preposterous to state that because someone allows their work to be used in a non-profit manor, such as a web site that this is giving them permission to use it in a for profit manor like publishing a book. That argument is completely absurd, and I would even bet RDR/SVA’s lawyers knew that when they wrote it, it was just one more thing to try to give more weight to their claim.
Thanks.

Yes, I agree with LMB3 here. It depends a lot on what grounds RDR wins on whether there are implications for fandom. If for example it is decided that the Lexicon book fits into the criteria for fair use, then it will be the contents that determine that, and Jo’s endorsement of the Lexicon will be irrelevant. That result might not be good for JKR/WB as there could then be a profusion of “academic” Harry Potter books, but I can’t see at the moment how it would impact fandom.

This case just angers me to no end. First, It’s J.K.Rowlings Charcters & Creative Rights; she is a woman of fine character who would complete the task of making her “Scottish Book”. This whole legal issue is probably holding up the real work and publication of J.K.Rowlings “Scottish Book”. I want J.K.Rowlings to be able to enjoy taking her time compiling her “Scottish Book” when she is ready to, since many of her Characters are still giving her the scoop.
Idiots and madmen, with lots of legal pads and laptops picking at the finer points. Can’t a Judge throw this out of court on grounds that this case has no worthy merits? It appears now more like as a harassment case against J.K.Rowlings, and invasive incursion into information they have no privy to? This news about documents demanded by RDR disgusts me to no end.
My creep factor is telling me they are up to some tricky legal entanglements that if not dealt with, could lead to future problems for J.K.Rowlings, Bloomsbury and Scholastic, as well as Warner Brothers. I know J.K.Rowlings has the support and backing from her publishers and agents, but can you imagine dealing with this headache, and try at the same time to just get some privacy and peace for her and her family. They have had enough – and have given more than most people.
If it just keeps getting more messy – possibly Leaky would have better New’s Items to publish, than this horrid reminder that feels like it’s crossed too many lines without any personal regard or respect for J.K.Rowlings, her Agents, and Publishers.

Helyx Helyx: Yes this legal issue could well affect when the Scottish Book appears. On the one hand all these legal issues are undoubtedly taking up time that Jo could otherwise be spending on the Scottish Book, and it might also discourage her from working on it, and her lawyers might encourage her not to make too much progress in case what she has done is dragged into the court case. The other side of the coin is that the result might require Jo to produce the Scottish book quickly. But this might result in a rushed book, or maybe a Scottish book split up into pieces so that the first part can be published relatively soon.

“When you cut away the legal bull it comes down to this: Steve wanted official sanction and recognition and a job. Jo refused all three. So he got mad.”
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I’m another one who’s fairly new to HP fandom but have been following this whole lawsuit situation. I think what bothers me most about it is the damage that could be done to other writers if RDR wins. It’s easy to say that Rowling is being too protective and what’s the problem with someone else having a chance to make a little money since she’s already very wealthy. But what about the struggling writers who might end up in a similar sort of situation and suddenly there’s a legal precedent that weakens their position when trying to defend their rights? It is absolutely Jo’s right to fight this, and I for one hope that the basic copyright infringement issues don’t become too obscured by all the talk about possible competition between the books. That really isn’t the point at all.