PotterCast 143: Of Two Minds

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Mar 17, 2008

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The 143rd episode of PotterCast, our Harry Potter podcast, is online this evening with a lengthy discussion about the recent confirmation of a two part “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows” film, with Director David Yates and Screenwriter Steve Kloves returning as well. As it is the big news of the week, Melissa, Sue, and guest host Frak talk about the WB confirmation, David Yates and Steve Kloves returning, and reaction from various cast members and crew. Next, Bit-by-Bit covers the second half of Chapter Nine of “Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows” where we discuss Draco’s alliances and Harry’s visions. Our Scribby Five girls are here as well talking about the “What Is the Crux of a Soul?” essay in their recently released issue of Scribbulus. Finally, in the fabulous, fierce, and furosh Wrap Up of this week’s episode we make it work while talking some Harry Potter themed Project Runway ideas and much more. To listen, just hit the “Play” button on the right side of the page (->), or use iTunes, or direct download.

“Of Two Minds”

- Two parts of Deathly Hallows? That’s half the show¦
- Scottish book is underway.
- Draco’s allegiance and Harry’s visions.
- Grimmauld Place: Protection Charms are still working?
- Author Hilde (atschpe) joins Scribby hosts to discuss her essay in Issue 22, “What Is the Crux of a Soul? 7 Horcruxes ’ 7 Chakras?”
- And we are flamboyant, spot-on, and fierce.

RT: 1:17:25

Editors: Stede Bonnett, Samantha McManus and Andrew Garner

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58 Responses to PotterCast 143: Of Two Minds

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Yes!!! Been waiting for this one!

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Another amazing episode!!! Great Job!

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Man I’ve been waiting for The Trio’s and well I guess Frak’s reaction!!!! I sure miss John…=[[[

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i <3 pottercast ;)

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YESSS! A NEW POTTERCAST!!!

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I never get enough of Jo’s intro! Never change it! (like u would ever replace the author’s intro on a potter site!)

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Ahhhhhhhhh I’msoexcitedforthisone. :DDDDD Downloading!!!

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OMG YES I wasnt expecting a pottercast today when I opened iTunes!!!

THANK YOU made my day hehe

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Dang… I wished you’d’ve done Canon Conundrums… would much rather have that than Scribby 5.

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Wow that was fast!

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I am so glad you appreciated my video, Sue. You deserved every comment. :) ( This is the video for anyone who’d like to see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A1rveUXxSw )

xxx Kayley

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Yay, I’m downloading it! I just need to find my iPod connecter!

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AH! I’ve been waiting for this one. I SO agree with Sue about part 1 ending at Dobby’s death. Frak also sparked some interest in me about ending it at them riding on the dragon after breaking out of Gringotts (at first I thought it was too late, but then I sort of realized that there actually is A LOT that happens afterwards), it would indeed be a cool ending.

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ahh this was so awesome!!!! I think Frak’s idea about the first half of the DH movie ending after gringotts with the dragon is a great idea, never would have thought of that myself!!!!

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The split has to be before Malfoy Manor, so the second part starts just like the first part (should) start, with ppl in the dark, going up the road to Malfoy Manor.

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I have only recently become a PC addict and this one was so awesome. I loved loved loved hearing the reactions to the 2 movie news and Yates and all of it. It was a great episode. I too like the idea of ending it after Gringotts … and if not there then it would have to be after Ron destroys the locket.

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My I-Tunes isn’t downloading it :-( , can’t WAIT to listen to this episode, I was waiting for it!!

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Harry Potter Project Runway! lololololololol!

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hey this is the first time i have ever done this not on myspace yeah oblivion is just like the name says it its you will play till you go brain dead but pottercast is awsome i just satred lisening to it like a week ago and im hooked but im in japan at the moment so i cant tell them i want to be on the show but when i get back please let me be the 4th host

pellegrino!!!

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I totally agree with what Frak was saying about Yates being an actors’ director and the change he got out of the young actors compared to the previous films. That’s my main reason for being happy that he’s directing all the rest. I think the acting is going to be important from now on.

Having heard the discussion about the split, I’m also now liking the idea of a split just when Voldemort breaks into DD’s tomb and claims the wand, which is kind of a cliffhanger for those who haven’t read the book, and it’s also the point when Harry finally realizes what DD wanted from him.

We were watching GOF last night and I also TOTALLY agree with Frak about the red herrings too! We kept on picking them out in the film and the Karkarok entering the great hall is the biggest of them, but there are others too.

And I also agree with what they said about the Epilogue, that the actors should be the same. 35 really isn’t that old (speaking as a 36 year old!). There aren’t many wrinkles, or even grey hair on me and I look pretty similar to what I did in my 20s, if just a bit more tired! I think they can give the boys a bit of stubble and ‘older’ haircuts and clothing.

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I’ve been thinking on where they should split it. As others have mentioned it being the trio in Malfoy manor. I just think when Harry & Ron are thrown into the dungeon, it’s complete darkness, so it can easily fade to black. It’s a cliffhanger ending, with all hope seemed loss for them. It will leave the viewer on the edge of the seat. Leaving them wanting more.

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The break for the Deathly Hallows part 1 might be best with the trio being caught by the snatchers. Then part 2 starts with Malfoy manor. That’s a good tension point both for the end of part one and the beginning of part 2.

Consider this about the on-screen time for the trio in DH:

7 Harrys – Dan only

The Wedding – No Dan

The Ministry – NO TRIO

Gringotts – No Emma

How bizarre it will be to have some of the most exciting parts of the movie not including the trio actors!

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The wedding they could do with Dan in makeup (ginger wig, or even cgi’ed changes). Emma would appear in Gringotts, as Hermione is washed back to her own appearance by the thief’s downfall.

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Score cant wait for this discussion!

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I miss John! I love Frak! (the two are not mutually exclusive:)

The movie split discussion was fantastic, y’all! There was one thing I thought of when you were talking about Neville. This clumsy forgetful boy came to school not believing he really deserved to be in Griffindor, and it was Harry, Ron and Hermione who befriended him, were kind to him and helped him on his own journey of self-discovery. Neville is just the kind of kid who would have been horribly picked on in school, yet our trio accepted him from day one.

Also – Oblivion is perhaps my favorite RPG ever! But it does require a disciplined effort not to get sucked in and stay there!

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Sue, I agree that the first film should end at shell cottage after Dobby’s death. My only problem is, we haven’t seen Dobby since the second film. Most none book readers will not remember who he was. Unless they reintroduce dobby earlier in the film, his death may not have the impact we’d all want. I wouldn’t be surprised if they replaced him with Kreacher to be honest.

I also like Frak’s idea about ending the film with the trio on the dragon. Remember when the deluxe Deathly Hallows cover came out, we all assumed the dragon image was the end of the story? That would be pretty cool. Still, I think that would put too much information in one part.

They could always cut it earlier, too. It would be very easy to move the Xeno scene to early in the story (prior to Ron’s departure).

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Fair Ravenclaw Glenn, I’ve been thinking the same thing, also Godric’s Hollow, one of the most important parts of the book won’t have any of them, if they go the Polyjuice route. They could do that scene without though.

7 Potters would have Emma and Rupert and the rest for a short while until they change. And Gringotts will feature Emma once the Thief’s Downfall activates.

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Ravenclaw Glenn and Anne, I doubt they will use very much polyjuice potion in this movie besides the 7 Potters. At the wedding, Dan will probably be completely exposed or under the invisibility cloke. In Godric’s hollow, they’ll probably just hide under the invisibility cloak. I’m not sure how they’ll do the Ministry, but I’m sure they will want their faces on the screen.

Now, I’m really excited to see Helena Bonham Carter pretend to be Hermione-pretending-to-be-Bellatrix. That could be pretty hilarious.

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Mine is only playing for 38 seconds, dam i’m angry

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I was just listening to Pottercast143. If you want to split the movies after the meeting with Lovegood, cut right after Harry, Hermione, and the Cloaked Ron fall thru the floor and apparate. Think about the scene. The death eaters are on the first floor of the home. There’s a loud bang. The ceiling explodes and our heroes fall thru the hole and disappear. Cut. Print. Roll previews of the second movie. That’s a good Idea.

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iTunes ain’t downloading mine, i just get errors… What am I to do? My source of joy is gone… gasp

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Benjamin, You can listen without going thru ITunes by clicking on the play button in the Pottercast square on the right side of this page.

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The polyjuice is a very difficult strand of the story. Non readers will be confused as to why the trio keep turning into different people during the film. Even if they do show them taking the potion, it will still leave people confused. I think Yates will avoid using it too much in the films. Like at the wedding, I think they’ll just leave Harry as he is. Also the invisibilty cloak is another problem. In DH, the trio are under it a fair bit, and the film makers will want to avoid using it too much. It will distrupt the flow of the film.

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JK did answer the question of Snape, he came in before Moody setup the enchantments.

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roonwit and anne,

Yeah, I knew I was forgetting something, it was Godric’s Hollow. I think it would be brave of the filmmakers to go all out with the polyjuice, but it would involve hiring a bunch of actors to take the place of the trio.

Seeing Helena Bonham Carter being Hermione being Bella would be really cool! But unfortunately I think that Mollywobbles is right, they will figure a way to reduce the use of the polyjuice in order not only to keep the trio’s faces on screen, but to not confuse the non-book-reading audience – to which I say “It’s gonna be 2010 people!, You have time… READ THE BOOK!”

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Yeah thanks Phoenix, I hope they’ll fix it though. I like having it on my iPod in the Podcast section :p

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Scott -

If Jo said that, she was mistaken. In “The Prince’s Tale” Snape goes to Grimauld Place AFTER (accidently) cutting off George’s ear – by which time Moody was already dead. So the enchantments had to have been set up before then.

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I think the tongue-locking curse was designed specifically to prevent Snape from revealing the location of Grimmauld Place to anyone else. So the tongue sticking to the roof of the mouth was only symbolic to show that that specific knowledge was being locked in (for Snape only), yet anyone onto whom the curse passed would have felt a brief tongue-locking just because of the nature of the curse, even though it wasn’t designed for anyone but Snape.

At least, that’s the way I always understood it.

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“Well, Mad-Eye set up a couple of curses against Snape in case he turns up there again. We hope they’ll be strong enough both to keep him out and to bind his tongue if he tries to talk about the place, but we can’t be sure. It would have been insane to keep using the place as headquarters now that its protection has become so shaky.”

This is from Chapter 6 of DH, The Ghoul in Pajamas

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I think it would be cool to set up the second movie for the quest of the deathly hallows. Maybe stop the first one right before or right after Xeno’s house. The anticipation for the second movie would be larger if the first stopped at this point. It would leave the viewer going “no, you can’t stop it there!”.

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I am with you Christian, I think starting both movies at Malfoy Manor would be a cool tie in for both movies. I think the scene with Hermione getting tortured is a powerful scene that gets looked over a lot but to start the second movie with it would be so crazy. It would start 2 with a bang-Hermione being tortured, Dobby getting killed and then right into that long day of the bank, dragon, Neville and the ROR, the battle-it would be one great scene after another.

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Jo said (or typed) in the Bloomsbury web chat that Snape went to Grimmauld Place straight after escaping from Hogwarts, and before Moody put the protections in place. So either pensieve memories aren’t necessarily chronological, or Jo slipped up in the order they appear.

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Scribby Five girls are getting better :)

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(My suggestion for the) End scene for Harry Potter and The Deathly Hallows Part I:

Harry

Vol…

Ron

Don’t say it!

Harry

..demort’s looking for the Elder Wand!

SXF Popping and snapping as the enchantments protecting the tent are stripped away

Ron jumps up looking up to the top of the tent.

Ron

“Harry! I told you! The name’s TABOO! We’ve got to get the protections back up!

SFX of popping and of wizards moving around the outside of the tent.

Ron pulls out the deluminator and kills the light in the tent.

Cut to Black

Voice (Greyback)

Come out of there! You’re surrounded!

(super) To Be Continued…

(My suggestion for the) Opening Scene of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part II:

Open to Black

Voice (Greyback)

Come out of there! You’re surrounded!

Flash of light briefly illuminates Harry’s face. We see it start to swell, then the light fades.

POV inside tent (Black)- then the flap of the tent is ripped open and several Snatcher point their wands in through the opening.

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I don’t think it is too much of a problem having Harry under the invisibility cloak, because they can, like in PS, show Harry from under it, or from Harry’s view point. But I could see them reducing the scenes where Harry gets polyjuiced, though hopefully they will keep the 7 potters scene, as there would be great potential for a bit of visual humour before things get really serious.

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I don’t think people will be too confused with the Polyjuice potion, we saw it in the CoS, so it might be used in the DH as well.

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Love it! I was looking forward to Scribby 5 this week, because I thought they were gonna go unscripted, due to our rant on the comments, but i guessed wrong….. PLEASE SCRIBBY 5 GO UNSCRIPTED! Its just sooo hard listening to a scripted interview!

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where is john noe? I haven’t around for awhile. Been busy and everything. Did john noe leave pottercast for good or took a break?

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John took a break for a couple of weeks for educational reasons.

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Oh I’m sure the Polyjuice will be used in the film, just not as much as it’s used in the book. I def want them to keep the 7 Harry’s. I wonder who they’ll use, seen as Mundungus, Bill and looks like Fluer aswell won’t be in DH. That’s 2 Potters and a guardian.

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I haven’t finished listening, but I thought that the 2 HP podcasts I listen to had been switched this week. MC gets a great interview with Jim Dale (something that is usually the purview of PC) and PC goes on for ever (~30 minutes) about 1 news item. Guys, I love ya, but please try to reduce the digressions to a minimum. Melvin, you’re usually good at getting the train back on track, but not this week. We get it: the film’s getting split.

I’m sad to hear the Scribby5 segment is still scripted. I know it’s difficult for some to be freeform in such a constrained time period, but I hope they try. Until that time, I’ll skip Scribby5.

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Just a small claim to fame for a moment (It made my day, so I’m telling everyone I can) When they were talking about their fans during the drums, and Frak said “I like when they take pictures of themselves with Pellegrino bottles,” That was me (: Frak told me on Facebook. My day/life has been made now xD

There are so many great places they could split the movie. I think it’s such a difficult choice and I’ll really interested to see which one they pick. As of right now, I agree with Sue on right after Dobby’s death would be a good place to split.

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That was an excellent Pottercast! I agree with Sue that the split should be at Dobby’s death. I really don’t like suspenseful cliffhangers because they are way too abrupt. I think that no matter how part 1 ends, people will go see part 2 just the same. Someone mentioned that Dobby hadn’t appeared since movie 2, but what if Dobby appears in movie 6? Remember Harry had Kreacher AND Dobby tail Malfoy?? And even if Dobby isn’t in this next movie, he should still be in DH. I just think this ending would be calm and slow-paced, when the rest of part 1 is mostly action and suspense. It could fade out with the sound of the waves crashing onto the rocks, and Harry digging a grave for Dobby, or Harry just staring at the makeshift headstone. I don’t know, I just really like the idea.

I definitely think they’ll include the 7 Potters scene, wouldn’t it be such a great boost for Dan’s acting skills? Can you imagine Dan as Fleur who transformed into Harry giving Bill that sickening look overflowing with love? I think it’d be hilarious. It’d just be great.

Also, I do recall Jo mentioning that Snape went to Grimmauld Place right after he killed Dumbledore. But in “Prince’s Tale”, he didn’t go there until after the 7 Potters, so like someone else had said, the protection Moody set up against Snape must have already been in place. But I’m pretty sure those memories were in chronological order, so Jo must’ve slipped up. Maybe Snape got through Moody’s protection ‘cause he’s just mad skilled like that.

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I love Frak!! “Pellegrino!” Gosh, I’m going around everywhere saying that , it’s hilarious!! Loved this episode, though I hope you guys do a special on this split soon, I’m hoping for that!!

Anyhow, about the split, I thought they’d do it from the Silver Doe part till now. It’d be a great stand-alone film as well as a two-part film and it’d end on a note of hope. As Melissa said, it’d give a lot of hope to know that someone is on their side. But I like Frak’s idea about Gringotts too, because then, it’d be devoting a lot of time to some of the more important scenes like the battle and Snape’s story and King’s Cross station. Dobby’s death would be good too, as long as they show Harry making a resolution that “I am going to fight this.” and they show him emerging as the true leader that he is. That’s be full of a hope too, and a sort of cliffhanger ending at the same time! Ok, I’m confused now!!!

Oh, and that tongue-locking thing got me confused too, but I think Jo did say Snape came right after Dumbledore’s death, before Moody came in. So, does this mean that the memories are not in order? I don’t know, but it’s the only logical explanation. The taboo, I think it did work inside Grimmauld Place too, the death eaters swarming around outside proved that, but the Fidelius Charm kept it hidden, I think. That’s why they knew someone was saying it,but couldn’t find them. Otherwise, why else would they stak out at Grimmauld Place for so long.

Great show guys! I’m still hoping for a John-Frak one when John returns! It’s going to be a classic, I’m sure!!

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THANKYOU for pottercast it gets me through visual arts! plus now I don’t have to listen to my Parents music in the car!!!. ITS FANTASTIC , Love FRAK but miss JOHN.

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In reference to where the first of the Deathly Hallows movies should end, I was thinking that it should end right at the end of the chapter called “Deathly Hallows”. The trio have learned about the Deathly Hallows from Xenophilius Lovegood and have just listened to Potterwatch. it is after that when Harry uses Voldemort’s name and the Death Eaters find them because of the Taboo. I think it would be a great cliffhanger to have them walking out to the Death Eaters and leave the people wondering what will happen. I think this is allow for plenty of time for the battle while including enough of the Deathly Hallows in the first movie and leaving the viewers excited to watch the next one.

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I would definitely cast Jason Isaacs!Lucius as Michael Kors on the HP version of Project Runway XD.

Great episode guys!

...PELLEGRINO!

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What dou you mean, “James wasn’t a good father”? COME ON.. you don’t even know how HE WAS, but it’s not nice to judge a dead person, who didn’t got the chance to criate his son!!!! Think a little before talking people. GIVE the life for his family IS BEEN A GOOD FATHER, AND A HERO.

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