J.K. Rowling on Dumbledore Revelation: “He is My Character” (Updated with Video)

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Oct 23, 2007

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At a press conference this morning in Toronto, author J.K. Rowling was asked repeatedly about the recent revelations regarding the background information on Dumbledore and the fact that she said she felt this character was gay. Saying “I’m not kidding,” about this statement Jo made last Friday in New York, the author went on to note “I know that it was a positive thing that I said it for at least one person because one man ‘came out’ at Carnegie Hall.”

The Star (DH plot spoiler at link!) continues on to note J.K. Rowling emphasized the information was revealed because she was asked a direct question about it, and said “she didn’t feel the need to be explicit about Dumbledore’s sexual preferences because she wanted to focus on character development.

“If you were an author then you would understand that when you write the ending it comes at the end,” she said.”

Update: The entire video press conference with Jo is now online, here. Thanks Mahri!)

Jo continued on to say:

The plot is what it is,” said Rowling. “(Dumbledore) did have, as I say, this rather tragic infatuation but that was a key part of the ending of the story so there it is. Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

Rowling said Tuesday she found it “freeing” to out Dumbledore, adding that the passages about him will mean different things to different readers.

“I think a child will see a friendship and I think a sensitive adult may well understand that it was an infatuation,” she said.

UPDATE: Reuters has more now from JKR, who elaborated on her decision to reveal the information about Dumbledore stating:”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

Jo also said again “she might work on a Potter encyclopedia for charity, but only after a long break.”It’s like the break-up of a marriage. It’s a good idea not to see each other for a while, then maybe you can be good friends afterwards,” she said.”

Update 3: Photos of Jo from the press conference in Toronto, Ontario Canada are now up in our galleries, here.





898 Responses to J.K. Rowling on Dumbledore Revelation: “He is My Character” (Updated with Video)

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BRAVO!!! WTG JO! That is exactly what I have thought all along, it is the sum total of DD’s personality that is important, not this one thing. Fabulous!!

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Finally, its nice to hear some clarification from Jo. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Thanks Jo, you’re the best.

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Poor Jo, being quizzed over this issue. She almost sounds surprised it is such a big issue. But it also sounds like she is pleased in general that this is now out in the open, even if it is secondary to Dumbledore’s main character development.

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Thank you Jo! Relax, have a cup of hot cocoa and just let the idjits twist in the wind. They’ll blow themselves out and you have made the world a better place.

(Fools will not believe anything that contradicts their narrow minded assessments and they’ll be out there searching for another reason to whine and twitch now that they can’t use this as an excuse.)

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Damn right she wasn’t kidding! This is such an important part of Dumbledore and only reinforces his place as my fav character.

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So does this mean Grindelwald didn’t feel the same? Was he even aware of how DD felt? I’m curious from a story perspective. If they had a big break up, or if DD just finally took his rose colored glasses off and realized what he was all about.

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I’m disgusted by the news. I’ve lost all respect for Dumbledore.

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I think Grindelwald probably didn’t return the infatuation. Dumbledore probably just had to realize he was being “blinded by love”.

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I agree with “skh”. Jo is THE BEST!

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Jo will be able to exhale when she gets back home. No one here is going to send her hate mail or death threats for outing one of her characters. And the fact that she has reinforced what she said is great. No backtracking to save face.

These are HER thoughts on HER characters. We may well be free to interpret the books in our own unique way but I trust her judgement on the books more than mine, afterall, she wrote the bleedin’ things.

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Nice way to bolster profits. Maybe JO can donate new proceeds to homosexual efforts worldwide.

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Did we ever find out who killed DD sister for sure?

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i said it before and i’ll say it again, i am very dissapointed at Rowling, is not only that homosexuality is not natural and is not right. i think that Dumbledore was a role model for today’s kids, but now she declares that he is gay after selling her last book… it’s not right for the kids who use to think of him as a hero. now i am sure a lot of kids don’t know what to think. my nephews are confused and questioning us about homosexuality and i think it’s dangerous for them and any other kid in the world. and it is unfair that she decided to make the declaration after the last book.. if i had known that there was a gay charachter in a children’s book i would not have bought the book for my nephews and i would not have read it miself. i will not be buying any more books from Rowling. clearly she knew that many people were not going to support this. so she chose to do this after she sold millions of dollars and not before. that is coward, convenient and honestly a little dishonest.

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“Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

She didn’t even put it in book 7. Why not if it was a key part of the story. I’m sorry but she was too coward to do it. And of course there is the revenues to consider.

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Well I guess I was wrong…

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Jo created a wonderful yet tragic hero, that everyone can look up to and learn from. He is a beautifully written and very human character. Thanks Jo.

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I think that all the people who are commenting that they would not have read the book if they knew Dumbledore was gay are being stupid. I think that not knowing about it was a great thing. It allowed everyone to see him for the man he was, not for who he liked. It was a good way of showing that it is not someone’s sexuality that matters. If his being gay makes you like the character any less, that is dumb. I am proud that Jo didn’t put it in the books because it just goes to show how little sexuality should really matter.

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That is a contradictory thing to say. Either it’s key to the books or it’s not. If it was key why wasn’t it in the books? If it’s not key, why is she calling it that?

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I feel for JKR. And I feel for us. I wanted more details about what happened next! Think of the tidbits we could have gleaned if people were less obsessed with this issue. I find it fascinating because it adds more to Dumbledore’s backstory. But I really don’t think it is all that important. Oh what I would give to look at some of JKR’s notes on her characters!

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hahahahaaaa! Oh man, this news post title made me laugh. I guess some people were grasping at straws.

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It doesn’t matter if they are dumb or not. The fact is that this revelation will cause parents to pull the books from their children. The thing that i respected Jo for the most was getting kids to read. This really is a big deal, because it ruins it for so many children. Yes it is narrow minded, but that’s the way it is. There is no need to tackle the gay issue in a childrens book. The world is not ready for that. If she wants to tackle gay issues, she should do it in another series.

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If it doesn’t matter what your sexuality is then why did she announce that he was gay? It doesn’t matter right? WRONG! It does matter, it’s not right and it’s not natural. She is a coward for waiting till after all the books were sold and making her millions, she must have known she’d lose most of her fans if she’d said something from the beginning about dumbledore being gay. If it didn’t matter then why say anything at all? Because YOU do know it matters.

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How dare you say things like that about gay people CHE.

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saying that being gay is wrong because it isn’t natural is the same thing as saying pitching a baseball is wrong because it isn’t natural (it isn’t… your arm wasn’t made to be throwing 100 mph every pitch).

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Whitney, you’re comments are sickening. Do you think people choose to be gay? I certainly didnt. Stop posting your intolerant hate messages.

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People are not born gay. Ever notice they can’t reproduce? That should give you a clue.

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I AM GAY AND I NEVER CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE IT. How dare you speak of things you couldn’t possibly ever understand.

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By the way, I don’t hate gays I just hate them shoving their lifestyles down my throat.

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She said it because she was ASKED. She said it in a really matter of fact way. She didn’t want to make a big deal about it, but she also didn’t want to lie about it. So, rather than answer in a shady way, she told the truth. She didn’t try to “tackle” it as someone said before. When you are writing, your characters tend to invent themselves. She wasn’t trying to “make a statement.” She was just trying to write a story. It should not be the bid deal people are making it into.

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I’m sorry about that.

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Whitney, if you hate them shoving it down your throat, stop shoving your heterosexuality down theirs’

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Im surprised shes even going to do another HP book period after how you so-called fans have treated her. Its a shame how we live in the same world with you ignorant bigots.

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Whitney, your’re the one who has come in here shoving your i’ll informed opinions down peoples throats.

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These comments truly crack me up :D Did you really think that all these hundreds of characters were heterosexual? In what world were you living in again?

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I’m not the one who parades down streets and forces school to make little children learn about my lifestyle. Who’s the one shoving crap down peoples throat?

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It is unnatural to write a book where all of the characters are white, or black, or straight, or gay. Real life includes all of these features and a book that deals in our reality must include as many races, colors, and sexual orientations as possible. One cannot assume that a person is straight or gay because of the necessity to fit one’s own personal tolerance sphere. People are gay and straight all around us, and its our job to accept them all.

The next time someone feels the need to spout their intolerance, he or she should: a) Learn how to type. Ignoring punctuation, correct spelling and grammar makes you look like you are 3 years old. No one will take you seriously. b) State your claim from a logical point of view. Don’t say that it’s wrong because “I think so”, state its wrong for real reasons. Otherwise, it makes you look uneducated, intolerant and unwise.

This is only aimed at a few people here, and you know who you are.

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Well said kos. Whitney should just stop posting because novody can take her seriously.

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whitney ur comments are way out of hand jo is not a coward DD sexulity does not matter that much it just helps us relize how hard it was for him to finally go after gryindiwauld thats why it wasnt in the books why would jo need to keep fans she already has alot and she doesnt need the money plus one of the most important messages in these books is to accept people for who they are which apperantly u cant do so why were u evan reading them?

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I’ve said my thoughts on this topic in the comments before, and I just want reiterate that I think that this does not change Dumbledore’s characterization that much for me…it just brings more understanding and light to his character. As for people who are commenting about her “key part” response, I think she was talking more about the AD/GG relationship, and less about just Dumbledore being gay.

I understand that some find this against their beliefs, but why should that change what Dumbledore means (or meant) to you? This series, above all, is about love, something supported in the Bible and by religions across the spectrum. Don’t forget that.

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No we don’t need to teach others about our heterosexuality because it is just assumed that it is right, that is even worse. It is shoved down our throat everyday. How many books did you read when you were a little kid where a prince saved another prince and they lived happily ever after? That’s what I thought.

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How can people actually think she wants to bolster her sales even more than they already are? She said it herself, it was an answer to a direct question. The only way to get out of the hook would have been by lying. There’s absolutely no reason whatsoever for her to hide information anymore since the last book has already been written.

It’s a key part to the story because it explains in a new light Dumbledore’s actions but it wasn’t necessary to explain it in detail, since his sexuality was never even remotely important to the main plot and would have only served to distract from the really important issues in the book. She left the whole subject ambiguos enough for each reader to draw their own conclusions.

I can understand some parents being bummed about it, since many of them don’t like to talk about sexuality, specially homosexuality, with their kids and the books couldn’t shake their kiddy aura no matter how much darker they got as they progressed.

I don’t see this information increasing her sales, in fact, it could decrease them on some conservative parts of the world where the book hasn’t even been translated yet. Then again, they end up not buying one book while people who haven’t read the books and are now intrigued, could end up buying all seven.

Has anyone asked Jo if Dumbledore was the only gay character? There could be another one and we wouldn’t know about it because no one has asked her directly.

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Well said, JKR! She’s great!!

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I can accept people for who they are, I don’t care if you gay or not but why do you have to make such a huge deal out of it? Why do you have to parade down streets and make schools teach little children about your lifestyles? I don’t understand why you do it.

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oops sorry kos i probly should have paid attention to grammer on my comment but i cant spell and i never really rememember punctuation so people please take my comment seriously =)

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AM, that is prob one of the more profound posts i’ve read here. Thank you, that’s what it feels like sometimes.

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I know why she’s done this. There is a deep reason why. Remember she has always said that she would love it if her books were banned, and when the uproar of the misinformed christians in the USA started up, she wasvery excited. She wrote in too, in Hermione’s voice that if Umbridge could do anything good, it was banning the Quibbler, to ensure everyone had read it. She is trying her best to get her books banned for the same reason. Just think of all the reasons, subtle or otherwise she would want this.

Some of my best friends are gay, and I love them to bits. I used to have great respect for Rowling.

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Whitney, don’t even pretend to be tolerant of gay people. Your posts are say the exact opposite.

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There are parades and other events to promote the awareness of gay rights, because, like it or not, we don’t live in a free country. Until we get our rights that we deserve just as much as every other American, we won’t stop fighting. If the gay community just sat back and didn’t care, I can guarantee you life wouldn’t be as pretty (at least with our current president). All men are created equal? That is such a joke in this country it’s not even funny.

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Whatever, this has just made me love JKR even more.

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Lol.

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I love you all. Yes, even you.

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Okay, let’s try this again. This week, I have been very disillusioned and disapointed, not at the outing of Dumbledore, or Rowling, but at my fellow members of the fan base, I’m embarassed by the intolerance. Consdering that the books are about overcoming Prejudice and having tolerance, some fans really failed the test this week, for shame.

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Matt, I totally agree. Some people are just trying to stir things up.

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I’ve got better things to do than argue with you.

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And for those of us who are not intolerant, just ignore those who are posting mean and hateful comments. First of all, they’re just trolls, they’re not worth our time on these boards. Second, know that you are the better person for standing up against hate and prejudice.

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You should know by now that some of the people bashing gays are just plain trolling and loving the reaction.

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Wow, poor Jo, she sounds exasperated. If someone doesn’t like the fact that Jo said Dumbledore is gay, they can just ignore her and interpret the books how they want. I thought it was pretty obvious after reading DH, but aparently this is a big surprise to a lot of people. My reaction to her statement was simple pleasure at having my observation confirmed.

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Matt and woot, people’s support like yours is what the fandom should be about. Not spreading hate.

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I don’t really see what the big deal is. So Dumbledore is gay, that doesn’t change my opinion of the charachter. Did that change the fact that he was the only Wizard Voldemort feared? Nope. Did it change that he was one of the greatest wizards? Um, no again.

Just think if she had revealed it in book 1. How would that have changed the dynamic of the books? Why did Dumbledore trust Snape so much? Could it be they were having a relationship? Can you imagine the Dumbledore/Snape shippers? It added nothing to the story so she didn’t include it. Now it’s like Neville marrying Hannah Abbott an interesting tidbit about a favorite charachter.

The only thing that has changed is that some intolerant people now have something to complain about.

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“Soldior, you must be the most stupid person in the history of the world. Gay people are not child molestors or paedophiles. SHUT UP. Posted by Irishpotterfan on October 23, 2007 @ 12:31 PM”

Note the word “like” which means similar to but not exactly. Yes i used like and i said it is like incest with consent or bestiality with consent… homosexuality is just one of the three.

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I agree. It is things like this that show who the real fans are.Go Jo!!

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Just what many of us expected. All the proponents for JK’s comments are brandishing their sword of justice and gratitude while those that are opposed to homosexuality in general and the main character of a children’s book specifically are branded as bigots, hate-mongers, you name it. The bottom line is the life style is not recognized as legitimate, still, in the eyes of many and that belief is usually based on two things: one, one’s own perception/belief of morality and two, it goes against all that is nature . . . it flys in the face that is all Darwinian. Does it mean that I dislike gay people? No . . . I have some friends that are. Nevertheless, it doesn’t mean that I accept their choice in this respect.

So what is my point? We have a right to disagree with JK on her comments and the we have the right to say that she is wrong in “making” Dumbledore gay just to push some personal political agenda or belief system. I do not attack you for supporting her; do not attack me or others for saying she is wrong . . .

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I think it is GREAT that Rowling made Dumbledore Gay, and I knew this would unleash a firestorm among the disgusting homophobes in the world. I can kind of see that in Dumbledore, and it is just fine with me. And FYI, being gay is NOT unnatural, harmful or bad in any way, it is just another way for someone to be, it occurs in nature, and if millions of people are, then it is a normal alternative. I have supported gay rights, marched in parades with them, although I am not gay myself. Good for her, and I support her and Dumbledore 100%.

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Wow. I have never posted before, but now feel compelled. I understand that everyone will have a strong reaction to the news (I know I did), but the outpouring of hate in the previous posts is quite disturbing. Especially the most recent comments by soldior. Learn some tolerance.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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I think it is GREAT that Rowling made Dumbledore Gay, and I knew this would unleash a firestorm among the disgusting homophobes in the world. I can kind of see that in Dumbledore, and it is just fine with me. And FYI, being gay is NOT unnatural, harmful or bad in any way, it is just another way for someone to be, it occurs in nature, and if millions of people are, then it is a normal alternative. I have supported gay rights, marched in parades with them, although I am not gay myself. Good for her, and I support her and Dumbledore 100%.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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I’m tired of being the one under attack.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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We need some moderators in here now! There are too many mountain trolls lurking in here (wishing I had a big club about now to knock them over the head)

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You are so brave, JKR. I knew you would never let such idiotic hysteria change what you said or let it even ruffle you.

You know what it only makes the character and plot deeper and better. You’re a great writer with great ideas and perceptions of humanity and everybody should see that!

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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“Okay, let’s try this again. This week, I have been very disillusioned and disapointed, not at the outing of Dumbledore, or Rowling, but at my fellow members of the fan base, I’m embarassed by the intolerance. Consdering that the books are about overcoming Prejudice and having tolerance, some fans really failed the test this week, for shame.”

Get over the it its real life issue here millions of children are being exploited by this JGAY Rolling I read the books watched the movie loved it hate her now hate the books hate the movie even though i don’t like to hate…

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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“I think a child will see a friendship and I think a sensitive adult may well understand that it was an infatuation,”

I think this quote is correct. Actually, I am 35 and only saw it as a friendship. This outing does not bother me at all. It does not change my image of him at all. What bothered me more about Dumbledore was how he was setting Harry up to die but in the end I was ok with that too.

It is a story and these are not real people they are JKR’s imagination. If you love reading you come across every type of character in many different setting. Sometimes there character is well know and the writer lets all the details of that character out in the story but there are many stories where you are left never knowing the “real” character or are left to make up your own mind on them. I think JKR has done a great job of showing that the wizarding world is not made up of only one type of person but is full of people from all walks of life just like in the real world.

The Potter series shows how intolerant some people are towards people who are not like them (like the pure blood vs muggle born story). What is funny or maybe sad is that we as potter fans say we don’t like Draco going on about muggle borns and such but on this board there have been so many comments that would be right up Draco’s ally.

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My, such a fuss on this. My first reaction has been “hun”?? i had never seen dumbledore like this. And never though the jkr would bring on the subject.

Yeah, gay is not normality, it’s not the way nature made us. So that ? That don’t make it wrong. Since when is not being normal a crime ? Na, gays people are just humans, no worse or better than the heteros.

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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE OUTED? AND WHY DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE IS GAY OR NOT? IS SHE GOING TO RIGHT ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT DD? OTHERWISE I DONT REALLY SEE THE POINT IN WHY THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL? ALSO, IS HE GAY IN REAL LIFE OR JUST HIS CHARACTER?

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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Okay, okay. Let’s take a breath.

At some point the hoopla needs to die down. As much as I love the books and characters of HP, and as crazy as a fan I am … we do need to remember that we ARE talking about an imaginary person, here. This is a debate about a man made up in her IMAGINATION! If someone is so ridiculously upset by DD’s sexual preference … guess what? they don’t have to imagine it. They can focus on his love of socks.

Now onto a more exciting revelation … who is the Latino Hogwarts student? I mean, black, white, Asian, East Indian … can the Hispanics get a little love?

That’s what I’m going as for Halloween: Maria Juanita, the Latina Hogwarts Student. Viva la Gryffindor!

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Apalling -truly appalling. The financial motivation behind her cowardly decision to only out Dumbledore AFTER publication of all 7 books is obvious. Having said that, Dumbledore is one fo fiction’s most complex, devious, self-obessed, cruel and cowardly characters. As he himself said -His brother and indeed Harry are far, far finer people.

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Why is it that we can’t simply not agree with JKR’s choice to make such an important character gay? Why does that make us “Haters” or “Intolerant” or “Bigots”?

Just because we find homosexuality a sickening thought does not mean that we hate gay people.

And those who insist that saying Dumbledore is gay is the same as saying he is straight – stop kidding yourselves. By the very definition of the words straight is normal and natural, gay is not. Normal because the vast majority of the population say it is. Natural because that is the way nature intended the species to reproduce.

I don’t hate gay people. I don’t treat them any differently when I run into them. I don’t speak ill of them. I do not wish them violence or unhappiness.

I simply do not agree with their sexuality. Not because of religion, not because of “intolerence”, and certainly not because I hate. It’s just because it is disgusting to think about.

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I feel like some of the people in this discussion have not even read the books. They are only here to spout their intolerant views. Real Harry Potter fans would never act like this and I think JKR with this press-conference really suggested that.

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Not in a full moon!

I wont buy this ! Gays are wrong FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!

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Dear Roger,

I am left-handed and have hazel eyes.

So, technically, I am a mutant.

So am I not normal and terribly sickening to your psyche?

Thank you, Melissa

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@Whitney: JKR isn’t the one making the big deal out of it. IT’s stupid people who are. JKR answered a question at an event that’s all she did. As a matter of fact she answered several questions. The one about Arthur Weasley and MOlly Weasley and Bellatrix, the one about Snape’s portrait ALL had longer answers than the one about Dumbledore, but that’s the one people are all in an uproar about because they have a problem with it for some reason?! A problem I still can’t understand. I mean a character is Gay, so What? There are like over 100 characters mentioned in her books, you can’t have expected them all to be the same. But that’s what it is isn’t, People want all the characters in the books to be white and heterosexual or otherwise they’re going to have a problem.

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Sure everyone that doesn’t agree is ignorant doesn’t know what he/she is talking about etc… how typical…

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Whitney, Che and others…I feel very sad that you choose to be so negative. As far as “forcing sexual preference down anyones throat”, I don’t think this is the place for this conversation….Ms Rowling did a very good and noble thing. As far as the Tolerance part of her stories goes..how sad that we, here in the 21st Century, still have this problem. Children will not know that there is any problem, if the adults (and we are, aren’t we?) don’t make an issue of it. Live and let live….........

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I have been a huge fan of these books. I have read them all and seen all the movies. I am very unhappy that she made a comment about Dumbledore being gay. Forget the issue as to whether or not being gay is wrong or right. It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.

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Who’s to say being gay is not natural? Did God come down from the skies and give you a revelation? I didn’t think so :p besides, if it weren’t “natural” it wouldn’t be in “nature” in the first place.

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@Melissa: Some people in this discussion were obviously never REAL fans in the first place because they’re acting like idiots over something so small. I mean this is a big revelation and it’s makes Dumbledore’s character alot more complex. But seriously, all JKR did was give us more backstory on one of the characters. But people are all upset because the backstory involved something, that for some reason that i still can’t understand, is UNACCEPTED??!!!!

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I have been a huge fan of these books. I have read them all and seen all the movies. I am very unhappy that she made a comment about Dumbledore being gay. Forget the issue as to whether or not being gay is wrong or right. It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.

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There is all this talk about how it will affect the children. Why do they need to know about these comments? The thought that he was gay never even crossed my mind when I read it, and when my son is old enough to read it, I will not point it out to him (unless he comes up with it, then we will discuss it!) Jo even says that a child would see friendship, and I think that is all that is necessary.

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Regarding my previous post. This is embarassing, amazing for a troll to argue “Get over it”. Mind you, a little context, I’ve been a fan of the books since 2000. I contributed a little to the HP Lexicon and was a moderator for the HP Lexicon Forum for a good spell. Now, I don’t want to be a party with some of these alleged ‘fans’, it’s really a disgrace, best of luck though. Some people really need to look at themselves.

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Some people on these chats seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing. They have absolutely nothing productive to say. I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve gotten got up in these arguments during the past couple days. If you have only hurtful and hateful things to say, find another outlet for your anger. Don’t go insulting JKR or any of her fans.

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It upsets me to think that Homosexuals have become so public in the western hemisphere … tolerance should go two ways you should tolerate our sensitivity’s and stay quiet or we will have a indisputable right to talk back and stop you as you try to stop us.

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sorry I what I meant to say was, I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve gotten caught up in these arguments during the past couple days.

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Regarding gay not being Normal or the way nature made us: Nonsense. It’s a solidly established fact that there are gay and lesbian animals in all of nature. While were on the subject, the ability to procreate (or not) is no measure of the validity of the relationships. If it is, then un-marry those people who spent years together but are barren, have no children. What this is REALLY all about is people trying to control others, tell others what is Right or Wrong, what they “should” do. So long as no one is being harmed (and if they are, that’s a separate issue) someone’s orientation is none of anyone else’s business. In the real world, there are many very successful, happy, sane, normal people who just happen to be hardwired to love those of the same gender. Did you enjoy Gandalf, from Lord of the Rings? The ACTOR is openly gay, in a committed relationship. No one would ever accuse Gandalf of being a wimp, a stooge or anything else untoward.

Stick to your bedroom, keep you noses out of everyone else’s bedrooms, and be glad when people can find love in the world.

Peace & Creation,

JT

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I’ll have to side with Whitney on most of these issues. Why was it important to have a plant in the audience to ask that question in order to give a prepared answer? Why is it so important to discuss sexual preferences at age eight or nine (probably a decent stab at the average age of the readers).

(Kos, please notice I can utilize, emphasize, and, when I’m very fortunate, tantalize without those darn dangling participles and phrases that so often are quite a nuisance to good literature. My punctuation ain’t real wonky, either).

But why is it so important? Do normal people begin indoctrinating their children at age three as to be being heterosexual? Then why do homosexuals? And it was mentioned about shoving their beliefs down one’s throat. Mm. A bit weak on the evidence side unless you’re reaching to ads shown every day where a bride and groom are displaying a tux and gown for a business, etc.

But with that type of ad, was it the sole purpose to sell heterosexuality to an unsuspecting public? Were there subliminal messages hidden inside the gal’s train or the guy’s pocket hankie?

Why do we have to tell our children they can be homosexual? If this was a natural-born condition, wouldn’t they know?

And the bigotry. I’m sure many times there have been ugly displays of bigotry. You won’t find it from me although I do not condone this type of activity (alternate “lifestyle”?). But I will have to point out that most of the rantings I’ve seen do not come from the individuals who have taken a bit more stringent stance on the matter. Biblical stance, I dare say?

But, alas, the cat is in the cauldron and the intended message to promote homosexuality, or, as one put it, “shoving your i’ll (sic) informed opinions down peoples (sic) throats” has been accomplished.

I was perusing the local book shop recently, considering for my five-year-old son the complete set of books in hardback. It’s the one that comes with the locking box for storage? I thought he might enjoy them when he’s a bit older.

Fortunately, I heard this on the news before I put more money into the support of a lifestyle of which I do not condone.

We’re called bigots when we don’t agree with this militant group. But I’ll make a deal with them. I’ll wear one shoe, they wear the other.

Richard South Carolina

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ALL SHE WAS DOING WAS ANSWERING A SIMPLE QUESTION, I DONT THINK THIS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SELLING MORE, I THINK EVERYONE ALREADY HAS THE BOOK ANYWAYS. OR ANYONE THAT WILL HAVE EVEN HEARD THIS NEWS! ALTHOUGH I DO NOT THINK ITS RIGHT FOR A CHILDRENS BOOK, MANY CHILDREN DONT EVEN FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT GAY IS, BUT THEN AGAIN THE ONES WHO DONT PROBABLY DONT WATCH THE NEWS ( OR READ THE NEWS) SO THEREFORE THEY DONT EVEN KNOW AND THEY JUST LOVE DD THE SAME!

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@Rachel: She’s not teaching anyone anything freakin’ thing. WHY are some of you people so freakin’ simple minded??? She said that when she was writing the character of Dumbledore that SHE pictured him as GAY and that HELPED her developed his character. THAT’s all she said. It’s not like she’s saying that everyone has to be accepting of homosexuals just because Dumbledore’s Gay. Because clearly in this WORLD that we live in today, EVERYONE can’t be accepted if THEY ARE DIFFERENT!!!

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Why don’t we just all agree that we were surprised and have differing opinions? I like debate, but I think people are taking it too far. Especially the type of trolls that ruined DH for me.

We all love(d) Dumbledore, you can accept him or not. You can choose to read the books to your kids or not. You can choose to read the books yourself or not. We beat the issue like a dead hippogriff. Dumbledore’s here, he’s queer, accept it or not. Jo did it, it happened, let’s say our piece and end it. You choose to be a fan, if you don’t want to anymore, than that’s your loss.

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“There is no need to tackle the gay issue in a children’s book. The world is not ready for that. If she wants to tackle gay issues, she should do it in another series.”

@Trick, I wasn’t aware that JKR did “tackle gay issues” in the books. There is no mention of homosexuality anywhere in HP that I can recall.

JKR certainly did deal with intolerance…something you may want to give some thought to.

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Might have known that bleedin’ Quidditch question would come up again! :)

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@Richard: Are you age 8 or 9? Is anyone in here 8 or 9 years old right now??? EXACTLY!! Most kids that age don’t even know what the word GAY means. So they probably don’t even care, it hasn’t changed a thing for them. I’m 20 years old and the only thing it’s changed for me is it’s made me like Dumbledore more! But I honestly wouldn’t care if she had said Dumbledore was a serial killer, I would still love the books just as much as I do now. Because they’re awesome!

Celia Alabama!

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How can people let her get away with this she destroyed Harry Potter…....... >:

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Okay, first I get tired of comments that say bla bla bla BUT bla bla bla. For example (not my words or feelings just an example): “I don’t hate gays, BUT their life style is disgusting” In the words of Doctor Phil, when you say BUT in the middle of a sentence you are saying forget what I just said now I’m really going to tell you how I feel. All right enough of that now…just a pet peeve of mine.

Secondly, choose to agree or disagree with Jo, but the bottom line is these are her characters, her story. This is how she pictured Dumbledore, just as she pictured Snape as a hidden nice guy who was still somewhat of a slimy git when it came to Harry. After the book came out she expounded on her feelings about Snape and his character, and not everyone agrees with her on this either. Alas does it matter? Not really, I personally think that Jo’s ideas are dead on because these are her characters she’s been with them longer than any of us and therefore knows them the best. However, if you don’t agree then don’t see them in that way. To me it’s as simple as that.

I am very glad to hear from Jo on this issue, and I agree that there was no reason to put much if anything about DD’s sexuality in the books. We didn’t really learn anything about Grindewald (other than what was on the chocolate frog cards) until the DH, so why would she have put anything in it earlier since he was the wizard DD was infatuated with. As to any mentions in DH well it really just depends on how you read it. When I read DD’s letter to Grindewald in DH for the first time I could feel the emotions that were radiating from the words. I had an inkling there was something more there, others may not have seen it nor ever see it that way. It just really depends on your interpretation doesn’t it. She had no need to put it in explicitly because in a sense she was allowing us to make what we would out of it. As she said, some will see it only as a friendship, others as an infatuation, it all depends on your perspective.

Why bring it up now…because she was asked a DIRECT question and answered it honestly. Truly it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t bother me one iota that DD is gay or had a love for Grindewald, to me that adds to his characterization, shows him as an even more loving person who was also blinded by that love.

Thanks again Jo.

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Superaurorgirl, I agree. I’m tired of arguing with these idiots. They can believe whatever. I myself, just can’t wait until movie 6 comes out. That’s going to be a long wait, but after seeing all of those pictures of Slughorn’s house and of that village. I just can’t wait!!! I’m sooo excited!!!

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Just please stop saying this woman is brave. There is nothing brave about the way she handle this whole gay issue. She didn’t even see it fit to include it in the last book, where she suppostly thought it was key. And those who argue she is already rich. She doesn’t need more money. Give me a break. Since when did having money stopped you from wanting more. This is the woman that sued a poor indian organization for building a fake hogwarts for their nonprofit religous ceremony. That is when I’m view on her went down like 50%. In the sued, she was asking for money. Not just demanding they stop.

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FAVORITE CHARACTERS:

1. Hermione 2. Harry 3. DUMBLEDORE!!

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I’d hoped I was done commenting on this. One last facet:

Regarding the effect on children, the only effect it will have on them is when narrominded bigots choose to shelter their kids from this, one aspect of true reality. Do you worry about explaining the relationship of Harry’s parental units? Are you concerned with all the heterosexual references on TV? OMG, how will I explain to Little Johnny why Mr. and Mrs. Cleaver are in the same bed together!? How do you plan to explain your OWN relations to the kids? The clear answer is that you don’t. They take it in, along with everything else in the world. They see it as just as standard/real as strawberry, chocolate, carmel and vanilla all being flavors of ice cream. They’re still only going to like what they like. Knowing that gay people exist doesn’t make them gay, any more than knowing straight people exist made gay people straight, even though most of the visual role models were hetero.

I had a BF, he lived with his best friend from HS, and his godson. The child was raised that people love each other. Some love boys, some love girls, and it’s all just people loving other people. He didn’t blink at us being affectionate towards each other. Tony and I holding hands was no different than his mom and her husband doing the same thing. Even when he barged into the bedroom one day and saw us making out, his “what are you guys doin’?” wasn’t in reference to the kiss. He wanted to know if we’d come out and play with him. The kiss never needed explained. Kids tend to take things in stride.

I find that people who are homophobic will use just about any excuse to justify their unreasonable hatred. Some call upon the (VERY few) references in the Bible to justify their prejudice (while ignoring all the OTHER sins that they commit regularly, including being unloving and intolerant.) Some try to use Nature (and switch to another arguement when that one falls short of fact,) and some try to suggest that children will be harmed. Fact is, gay men and lesbians have been raising children for decades now – very well adjusted HETERO children who love their parents very much. When will you homophobes give it up? Why is it so terribly hard for you to grasp that there is no harm, and just accept people, be glad that they love?

JT

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Japanese press report that Jo told that Grindelwald turned down Dumbledore, after he had shared a bed with the young DD three times. Therefore, there is a fierce bashing on Jo and the whole Harry Potter series. It’s crazy.

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JKR, YOU’RE AWESOME!!!!!!

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Please don’t feed the TROLLS, (Whitney, Rachel, Richard, Soldior, Wand of Harry…have I left anyone out?).

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Well, DUMBle if you had read the books then you would KNOW what went on during Harry and Dumbledore’s lessons. Since the books are from Harry’s point of view and everything. Nice try though.

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Mia—I’d really like to know where they heard that one. Jo hasn’t mentioned anything about that, or it would be in the press over here as well. Sounds like people are making up their own details.

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@Mia: JKR never said that Grindelwald returned Dumbledore’s feelings. Which is why Dumbledore had his heartbroken. He was infatuated with Grindelwald’s mind and when Grindelwald turned out to have so much hate in him Dumbledore was let down. This doesn’t have anything to do with sex at all. I don’t know why people ALWAYS think about sex whenever a Gay matter is brought up.

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I don’t hate homophobes, I just hate their shoving their beliefs down my throat. It’s a two way street, ya know.

Yet someway, somehow, there has to be a meeting place.

Thank you again Jo!

Brian:-)

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If I could send a howler to tell everybody to play nice in the sandbox I would.

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@Patronous: People are stupid, so they’re coming up with alot of stupid crap. I’m not Gay and I never really understood Gay people before, but after all of this, I really really feel sorry for them. No wonder they don’t want anyone to know that their Gay. I thought people had become accepting of them because of all the stuff I see on TV but clearly not. If HP “FANS” are getting upset just because JKR said she PICTURED Dumbledore as gay and I thought HP fans consisted of a pretty liberal and open-minded bunch of people, but I guess NOT!

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It is unfortunate that anyone who was disappointed at this news is viewed as “close-minded” or seemingly unable to think for themselves. The abusive language used here on a “fan” site (where hopefully all of us can at least agree that the books are fantastic and J.K. Rowling is a very gifted author) doesn’t lend credibility to either side of the issue. Almost all of us have taken the characters that Jo has written for us and know what they look like to us or what their voices sound like to us. In that respect, the characters become our own. Because they have become “ours,” you will have people who are disappointed with a specific actor being selected to play a part or because of an actor’s performance in the films.

Jo announcing this about a beloved character, after the series was complete, will shock any fan (some positively and others negatively). Regardless of the effect, this is a character that belongs to each of us in a very personal way. He’s a hero, and to some this news obviously comes as a severe blow to their very personal experience with him. And since they belong to each of us (at a personal level), there are many fans who resist any degree of tampering. There isn’t anything wrong with a fan if they feel the way that they express here (whether disappointed or excited at the news). When the dust settles from this, the version of Harry’s story that we chose to read will remain unchanged for each of us. Fan-fiction proves that despite what we may read in the books, or even what Jo may say herself, these characters are ours and we have that right (any Harry/Hermione shippers out there)?

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Here’s the thing (and there’s really no getting around it) there are gay people in the world. Whether or not you agree that is the fact. I applaud Jo for writing DD as a gay man. Maybe we can teach our children that being different is not a bad thing. For all those out there who use their religion as an excuse to bash the homosexuals in the world and now Jo for writing about them, let me ask you a question. Don’t you remember the part in the Bible that says “judge not, least ye be judged”? As for writing about it, Jo showed us that a person is not defind by their sexual orientaion. Dumbledor was a great man and taught Harry how to defeat evil. Nothing takes away from that aspect of the book, not even homosexuality.

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I love Harry Potter!!!

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Whitney wrote near the top of this thread: “I’m disgusted by the news. I’ve lost all respect for Dumbledore.”

I’m so glad JK decided to do this now. It really exposes all those for whom respect is conditional. I wonder what the reaction will be when a family member comes out to them? Will all those years of holidays, talks, and laughs suddenly mean nothing?

Probably. Small minds can only concentrate on small things.

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reading the comments and disgusted I’m DISGUSTED and almost EMBARRASSED to be called an HP fan. What ever did happen to being a fan and not putting people down. No, I’m not talking about the “haters”. I’m talking about some of you guys who are just as bad as the haters.

I’ve made my statement loud and clear that I don’t agree with homosexuality THAT DOESN’T MEAN I hate gays and lesbians. I’m merely stating my personal opinion and my belief and so are some. It’s like saying why Hindus don’t eat cows or Jews don’t eat pork. And we respect them (well some of us) and yet we can’t respect people have a different opinion towards homosexuality. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Granted some people are a little more outspoken than others. But DON’T YOU EVER EVER make it your personal mission to attack, just b/c you don’t like it.

What ever did happen to tolerance (I’m beginning to hate that word)?! I am truly disgusted by the HATE AND ANGER towards some of you guys have.

That also goes for Whitney and Soldier who are VERY outspoken and once we know your opinion, there’s not reason to state it over and over. Or you could’ve said it in a better way.

~Anita

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I shall place the Cruciatus Curse on the next person to insult my creator, J K Rowling, a fine woman and the only muggle I have any time for. You have been warned.

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As someone has already mentioned, it’s not whether you believe gayness is right or wrong. The fact remains that there are gay people in the world. “Sheltering” people is just dumb. All sorts of sex and violence are on TV, yet the anti-gay people who want to “shelter” aren’t campaigning against them.

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The news of Dumbledore’s homosexuality did sadden me. Because it is now being used to politicize the books. Once again there is a division between the political correct crowd and those who believe homosexuality to be wrong. It does make Dumbledore even more of a tragic figure, and clarifies the theme of unrequitted love. It gives Snape and Dumbledore more of an understanding. JKR as always has style and class.

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We all loved Dumbledore because he generously provided a home and love to those who were ostracized by society. He gave Hagrid a home even after he had been expelled, and when children’s parents learned that a half-giant was working at the school, Dumbledore defended him. Likewise, he ensured the safety of Lupin; he planted the Whomping Willow to protect Lupin from others during his “time of the month,” he employed him in the Order of the Phoenix, and yet again, he defended his teacher after parents learned of a non-normal staff member. Dumbledore showed love and respect for all types of living creatures (mermaids, centaurs, muggles and muggle-borns, orphans, and more). Dumbledore even continued to believe that there was good in people when all evidence pointed to the contrary (consider Malfoy). If anything, I believe this revelation about Dumbledore explains a little something his willingness to open his heart.

Can’t we follow Dumbledore’s example? Can’t we love people for the goodness of their soul? Please, let us not become these alarmist parents who dismissed muggle-borns, werewolves, or whatever else for their differences.

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Why is this still being debated over?? Why dont we all figure a solution?? All of the true HP fans that believe being predjudice is wrong and dont want bigotry part of a site we love so much tell these bigots to stop coming here and posting. Thats the problem isnt it? If you hate HP now so much and you’ve lost respect in JK and DD and the entire series then GO THEN! Be happy in your close-minded lives where everything you dont agree with you ignore its a part of normal everyday life. Just stop coming here and letting us know how horrible you are! You hate gays and thats the bottom line. Theres no way around it, period.

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Typical – everyone jumps on the band wagon. In my opinion innappropriate for a childrens book where sexuality of any kind should not be a consideration.

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Did I miss a chapter containing gay exotic literature or are most people over reacting? Anyone who has read the books and still discriminate against race,sexuality or religion has clearly missed the plot,how is it that children understand the plotline that it is wrong to discriminate but their parents dont…Live and let live.JK did not force a life style down anyones throat she simply mentioned that DD is gay and that isn’t even in the books.Sorry to burst the parent’s bubble but most 8 year olds know what sex is and some 10 year olds are having sex,I think that should be adressed rather than a fictional character being gay

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Its a sad day when a writer who has made billions from parents who bought her books to wait until the end of the series to announce such a stupid thing. My children know its morally wrong to be gay, and God will judge those people, not us. Yet I cant help that I was very happy to hear my 11 and 9 year old sons say that they would never read Harry Potter again if this is the way she wished to end it. As my oldest son said, that was just stupid for her to say that. I didnt force that opinion on them, they have it all by themselves. Even little kids know she just wanted to make more money, so she created a fuss so the talk of Harry Potter wouldnt fade out. SAD SAD SAD JK.

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That’s excellent, Jo! As shown by the extensive amount of ‘ships from our fan-fictions—we knew at least one was gay! She is right to say this will spark some fan-fiction.

I feel as though I should reread the books…again… and see if I can pick up on some things. :)

im sure Mallory will have a wonderful time with this though…

-M-B-W

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Ok, I was going to stay out of this, but here I go. To anyone who is wondering why she didn’t write (more) about Dumbledore being gay in the book: IT WASN’T ABOUT HIM!! What, you want a scene where Dumbledore is telling Harry about horcruxes and then goes “And by the way, I’m gay”? If Harry was gay, we would have known, as he was indeed a central character, and not a shadowy puppet master pulling the strings. And as far as Jo now saying it was an important plot point, only his relationship with someone who turned out to be a bad guy is relevant. The fact that Dumbledore was in love with him only helps that part of the plot make sense. And (again) if she had hinted at him being gay all along, then we would have known immediately what the story was between them. Sheesh! You’re the same people that like to see a whole movie in a 2 minute trailer.

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Please….just some PC crap that someone must have pushed her to. If he were homosexual, why not put it in one of the 7 books to be a inspiration to others? Why not Snape? or Black?

I understand they’re her characters, but this just smacks of PC back-tracking.

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I think any discussion of sexuality rather straight or homosexual in a childs book to be highly inapropriate. And it was not an important part of the story. She refuses to answer some questions and should have refused this one. It is unimportant to the books and should not be an issue. But she did it to cause debate not just to answer a question. And she did it to draw back attention and get HP in the news. I do not really care if he was gay or not. But this is a sad attempt by JR, in my opinion.

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I would like to set the record strait. Dumbledore was like a father to me. He loved me and I loved him. He was a great man, I named my second son after him for merlin’s sake! Dumbledore said that Love was a wonderful yet terrible power and now I understand what he meant more then ever. So lay of him and get a life!

H. Potter

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But Dumbledore is a fictional character. How is it possible to have a sexual preference? Well, easy enough. I’ve conceived of a story wherein Dumbledore is reformed as he comes to terms with his childhood molestation at the hands of a Hogwarts headmaster. This story teaches that life’s challenges and psychological harms can be undone.

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Why reveal anything about the characters now that the story is completed? Nothing like controversy to get some additional media attention.

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P.S. This new revelation has NOT changed the way I felt about Dumbledore. I still like him even if his past is a little rocky b/c of Harry (raising him as a pig for slaughter?! I guess), he changed and that’s why I respect him as a character. Jo Rowling has written him beautifully. I respect her and her decision.

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Im straight.. and think this is wonderful.

If ANY of you are being discriminatory about this…and suddenly wont read the series… or now hate Dumbledore… or now have lost respect for JKR because of it… then you have learned nothing, NOTHING from reading harry potter.

.period.

One of the main themes in the Harry Potter series is that it is wrong to discriminate…that one person isn’t better than another… that one thing about you makes you earn less respect.

Reread the books people. Get over it.

double woot for JKR.

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it was somewhat non necessary to say it in the book, the plot didn’t required it. then someone asked a question and jkr ansewed. Like someone said, “end of story, goodbye”

I have a rare disease, that make me not normal to some. so what ? I’m different and proud of it :) I am who I want to be, not what other would want me to be.

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I agree Susan and Christine. She is just trying to create media attention.

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as a parent of 3 wonderful kids (12,16 and 17), niece of a gay uncle, cousin to a couple of gay PEOPLE, I say, People are people. Dumbledore is a character and this character taught tolerance and understanding to harry and co. JKR knows her characters better than anyone. My kids have known about homosexuality since they were young-do I think their knowledge is going to ‘turn’ them gay-heck no! you either are or you aren’t, PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE, people. Let this go, there are much bigger things to worry about in life, there’s an unjust war happening in Iraq for one.

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@ patronous potter & Celia Yes, I read Jo’s interview on this blog and I know that Jo never mentioned something like that. I don’t understand where the Japanese press get that idea from. Perhaps some US media report? Or just mistranslation? I don’t know…but I’m really disgusted that people are now talking about DD as if he were a dirty old man who were trying to lure young boys. Really, really, disgusting.

When I first read the book 7, I thought the relationship between GW and DD was a bit strange. So I’m very pleased to hear that DD was in love with the evil Grindelwald. I thought it’s really convincing and I loved him more because of his tragedy and his weakness.

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I didn’t want any part of what I typed crossed over—I don’t know why that happened.

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I am think JKR might sell MORE books now that Dumbledore is out of the closet. To all those who are disappointed… mail your HP books to me. I’ll take them!

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  • BRAVO JO *

And would PLEASE the non Harry Potter Fans leave the Leaky Cauldron Website…Thank you

This used to to be a Harry Potter Website – everyone was friendly and respected each other’s opinion!

Leave us alone – so we can return to normality!!

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You know this is a wonderful opportunity to discuss and enlighten. For those who don’t understand homosexuality, by browbeating them into silence, you lose the chance to shed some light on it. But if people can’t speak their minds freely, then you lose an opportunity to make a difference in thier mindset.

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A cornucopia of love. ♥

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So Gind was evil and he was gay. And when DD had evil tendancies he was gay. But when he stoped being gay he turned good and killed the evil gay wizard. I think that is a horrible thing for JK to write. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. She is a truely evil woman after only profits.

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I think she said Dumbledore was gay. We don’t know that Grindlewald was too. She said it was an infatuation which suggests it was one-sided.

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@ VICKY: Sexuality of anykind should NOT be considered???? First of all, NOT a children’s book. Children read it because it appeals to everyone. It’s Universal so it offers stuff for everyone. Second of All, you mean HOMOsexuality should not be considered because Books 3-7 all Have sexuality in them! It’s just HETEROsexuality, which Of course makes everything okay. Book 3: Harry gets his crush on Cho. Book 4: It’s full of sexuality! Book 5: Again Full of it! Harry even KISSES a girl. Book 6: The WHOLE book is about sexuality! Book 7: Again Full of sexuality. Maybe you missed all of those sexual references Greyback kept making about Hermione!! The stuff about Dumbledor isn’t even in the book. And Dumbledore did NOT have a gay relationship with Grindelwald. He wanted too, because he was infatuated and intrigued by him. BUT Grindelwald DID NOT share those feelings!

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So Gind was evil and he was gay. And when DD had evil tendancies he was gay. But when he stoped being gay he turned good and killed the evil gay wizard. I think that is a horrible thing for JK to write. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. She is a truely evil woman after only profits.

Posted by Dumble on October 23, 2007 @ 01:50 PM

you that is another thing. I don’t know why gays are happy about this. She completely destoryed DD’s good character in book 7, then she reveals him as gay.

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The reason that I am disgusted by JKR’s decision to “bring out” DD is the idea of changing/developing characters of a series that has already been completed and published. As a student of literature I find this both irresponsible and ,as many others have said, cowardly. I have not lost respect for DD, but my respect for JKR is all but gone. An author changing characters of a finished book is not done! It should not be done!

However, because this is a post publication developement I believe it is up to the individual reader to decide if they even want to accept this developement on the character of DD. Personally as a fifth grade teacher one of the reasons why I enjoyed this fantastical series was that sexuality was not an issue for the characters, thus keeping the books simpler and truly more enjoyable, especially for kids. In our current society we and our children are continually bombarded by sexuality, so it would be nice to keep some things, like childrens’ literature, free from the subject. Because sex complicates everything, and kids have no need for that complication.

In conclusion, please don’t worry so much about this new developement, for it is only JKR’s opinion. You as the readers have the choice to accept this idea about DD or completely disregard it, because it is really not in the book. In my opinion, please disregard it, and let the HP series along with its characters remain as they are written in their fantastical world free of sexual issues.

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I just heard news about another revelation from JKR:

She said the Whomping Willow works nights as a DOMINATRIX!!!!!

Go Willow!!!!!

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JK has taken something that has held a very special . . . almost magical place in our lives for the past 7 years . . . something we could turn to to escape the assault of moral decline and corruption that pervades our lives . . . and she has unceremoniously ripped that from our very bosoms . . .

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Whitney = Uncle Vernon + Malfoy

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How does the whomping willow fit into that leather outfit. I think this report is false.

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I burst out laughing when I read the headline.

I want to give her a hug for putting up with all of this (Lots of other reasons too, but this one is the most pertinent at the moment).

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@ber: she didn’t destroy Dumbledore’s good character all that stuff in book 7 happened like almost 100 years previously. And JKR said she has ALWAYS known Dumbledore was GAY meaning. He was gay when she was writing books 1-6 as well as book 7. So your argument makes no sense. And Grindelwald was NOT Gay. Dumbledore was infatuated with Grindelwald because of the way his mind worked and because both of them shared the same ambitions. And Dumbledore could have convinced himself that he was in love, because he was sooo intrigued by Grindelwald. But I don’t think Grindelwald shared those same feelings.

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@ Mr. Blair So, do you perhaps think Tolkien is the worst author in history? He made a crazy amount of character development after the Lord of the Rings books are completed. Just curious…

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”” The reason that I am disgusted by JKR’s decision to “bring out” DD is the idea of changing/developing characters of a series that has already been completed and published. ”” Then jkr saying after the book that harry was an auror is no good either ? it’s all stuff she had left out, but don’t means she made it up afterwards.

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Quite frankly I’m surprised that Dumbledore has been declared gay. I never once got the idea he was. He appeared to me to be a gentleman who simply had not found the woman he needed but made his life worth while anyway. And as far as him liking Harry, I felt it was a natural thing. He was infatuated with Harry but I didn’t feel it was because of gayness. Instead, I felt it was because of who Harry was. The character of Dumbledore gave me the feeling that he knew already what Harry could be because of the little guy’s incounter he already had with Voldemort. And being the kind of person Dumbledore was, and being such a genius, he would have recognized Harry’s potential. That, in itself, would have excited Dumbledore. And as far as his relationship with Grindewald, that too, would have excited a genius type person without engaging in any gay feelings. It would simply have been a kindred spirit with whom Dumbledore could relate. After all, It’s not every day a genius runs into another. So I am very surprised to learn Dumbledore is now considered gay.

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@ Celia. Fist how do you know she always knew DD was gay. Just because she said so? She said that only to validate her point. And her point was to get more press. Two how do you know Grind was not gay. She never said he was not. She never said those feelings were not returned. Stop making stuff up. Thank you. Drive through

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Good grief, has the world gone mad overnight? I was under the impression that the world was now a tolerant place but obviously I was quite deluded! Is the heart surgeon that saves your daughters life any less a person because he’s gay? The Doctor who cures cancer? The artist who’s painting is hanging on your wall?? It is biggots like those that have commented here that make young people afraid to believe in themselves and their own abilities for fear of oppression. Good on Jo for tackling these issues head on. Despite which, the books are quite literally an amazing read.Would the homophobes here present please submit their seven books that have been made into one of the most successful film series for our consideration…

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will people PLEASE STOP SAYING JKR IS GREEDY SHE – IS – NOT!!!!!!!! if there is anyone who definitely IS NOT greedy it’s JKR so SHUT UP!

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I can’t believe that JK Rowling revealed that Neville is a heterosexual, and that he got with Hannah! This information is completely irrelevant to the story, and if she wanted Neville to be straight, she should have mentioned it in the books instead of blurting it out in a Q&A session. When that person asked about Neville, she should have refused to answer, or better yet, lied. It’s so inappropriate to bring up sexual issues like Neville’s future relationship with Hannah, in front of children. Imagine the questions they’ll be asking. “Mommy, does that mean Neville, a man, loves Hannah, a woman? Do they have . . . sex?” How disgusting to think of the things that will be going through their minds at this revelation! Knowing that Neville likes Hannah has completely changed my view of the series. I used to love the books and especially Neville, but knowing this has changed my mind. I now hate Neville, as well as that greedy old witch, Rowling, who brought up this completely unnecessary, totally out-of-the-blue news just to get more money. I am proud to say that I will be burning the books straightaway. And my children will most definitely not be reading them, either—I don’t need them getting ideas about sex (it’s MY job to teach my kids about sex, thanks!), even if it is true that Neville’s heterosexual appetite is barely hinted at in the books.

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I think the world just needs to get over it already and move on.

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In this here world of ours we have the following:

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ETHNCITIESBUT THEY ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFSBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ABILITIESBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT SEXUALITIESBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS.

The sad thing on this and the other thread, is too many people do not recognise this variety, and think that any recognition is pandering to political correctness. So me, as a Black person, should not be recognised in literature, otherwise the author is pandering to PC. And my best friend, as a gay guy, shouldn’t be acknowledged for the same reason. Thank you for that, thanks for recognising my humanity.

That ideology right there is VERY SIMILAR to Nazism. Just remember that.

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Kush are you saying that JK is a nazi? That is very out of line in my opinion.

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hear hear, Anonimus

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Whether we choose to accept it or not, JKR created Dumbledore. He’s her character. If she says he’s gay, then he’s gay.

When we read a book, the character we see on the page is nowhere near as detailed as the character the author creates. The creation process involves assigning details that never make it into the final draft. Each detail helps shape the character into a well-rounded individual. It may not matter to the story whether or not the character had a fight with his sister when he was six that led to him being grounded for a month, but a talented author will include that degree of specific information in the character’ s bio anyway.

To invalidate Rowling’s statement because it wasn’t explicitly described in the text doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. There is a multitude of info and backstory on all the Potter characters which we’ve not seen, information Rowling has in her notes. Just because she shares it with us after the series has ended doesn’t make it any less factual.

If her statement about an ‘offstage’ aspect of Dumbledore isn’t valid because she made it after ‘DH’ was published, then none of her post-DH statements are valid. Ginny never played professional Quidditch. Cho didn’t marry a Muggle. Hannah Abbot never became Hannah Longbottom, etc.

Rejecting the statement because of personal opinion is one thing. Saying it doesn’t carry any weight is another. The ‘Potterverse’ is Rowling’s world. We may each have our own ideas about that world, but in the end, she’s the final authority on the Wizarding World, not us. It was her brainchild.

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I love these books, and I always will. Dumbledore’s always been one of my favorite characters, and this hasn’t changed that. If anything, this makes Dumbledore a stronger character, in my opinion. The fact that he fought and defeated the person he was infatuated with shows just how strong a character he was and just how much Dumbledore believed in his own convictions. It makes him and his motives more admirable, if anything!

To say that JKR did this to boost sales or to get her books banned is idiotic, and I don’t think true fans of the series would EVER say that. While I’ll admit that Dumbledore’s sexual preference wasn’t necessary information to the storyline Jo decided to convey, what harm is there in knowing now that everything’s over? It just shows that when someone is fiercely loyal, brilliant, and strong the way Dumbledore was, what does it matter what gender, race, religion, or preference they were?

Sexuality doesn’t define someone. As Dumbledore himself said, it’s our choices that show what we truly are.

The hatred and intolerance in these comments are making me very sad, and in a perfect world this wouldn’t even matter. The world is clearly far from perfect.

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Dumble, read my post again. I’m saying the people who are NOT being accepting of variety amongst humanity have an ideology ‘close’ to Nazism. But I’m NOT directly calling anyone a Nazi, and JK is the polar opposite of a Nazi.

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Its funny that this is a new thread saying the same things. “why would I put a major plot story in book 1” because if you foreshadowed this in book 1 then we would have known he was “in love” with grindewald and not just awestruck or a brotherly love. If we knew he was gay, we would know he was ” in love”. She definately foreshadowed snape/lily in book 5, when I figured it out, so it wasnt a shocker in book 7 for sure for me, but I still dont see it when I read through book 7, I will re read it when I have time with her “outing” in mind, but I am not sure I will still see it as anything other than brotherly love.

I do think it would have changed her sales if she would have put it in book 1 though, just becuase of everything I am hearing and reading, I think she wouldnt have been the richest woman in Great Britain if she would have done it and I think she knows it too which is why she waited until after the books came out to do it or in book 7 when no one had a choice they had already given her their millions. when people read this in however many years after JKR is dead and gone then they probably wont see the “love connection” between grindewald either, unless they put it in the movies, which I sure hope they dont.

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I think everyone should just sit back, look at some Grindledore art and fic. Trust me… Fanart = love and tolerance for all. here’s one to get started:

http://railiens.deviantart.com/art/Dumbledore-Grindelwald-Collab-61871593

Slither, signing off love and peace all.

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LOL Anonimus, that was brilliant.

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Yeah that is funny anonimus but last I checked, neville went to the yule ball with a girl, so I think he likes girls….

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And last time i checked, Dumbledore was dancing with Madame Maxime at teh yule ball, sbf

(pulls out tongue)

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Seems to me that JK is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.

Argument 1: -Jo waited to reveal Dumbeldore’s sexuality so she could make more money! -Jo shouldn’t have said anything at all because she will make less money now and fewer children won’t be able to read it because Dumbeldore was gay

Argument 2: -Jo never should have said anything because it doesn’t change who Dumbeldore is/was -Jo should have said it at the beginning, it would have been beneficial to have an “out” character and also shed light on Dumbledore’s actions

And the list goes on. Keeping a character in the closet for the sake of readers will only lead to more close minded readers in my opinion. So what if we have society full of adults that read? The point of reading isn’t just to read—their is something to the subject matter that is beneficial to becoming a well-rounded and educated person.

And this has nothing to do with geography as much as just shock all the way around. If you are unsatisfied with the revelation, then by all means take your books back, burn them and never read them again. But I would hesitate before calling Jo deceitful or misleading because she failed to or decided too late or chose to announce Dumbledore’s sexuality at all.

While I did consider the possibility of Grindewald and Dumbledore, I never knew for sure. Now that I do, it helps me to understand Dumbledore a little more—but I don’t see him any differently.

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Which is another point why it wasnt foreshadowed, why didnt he dance with flitwick then?

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maybe because flitwick wouldn’t have agreed… Dumbledore wasn’t “out” in the books right? it seems to me he was only in love properly once (and not wit flitwick ugh)

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Do you think my taking all 7 books, 2 copies of each of the 6th and 7th book and paperback books also, along with other things (If I decided I wouldnt read them anymore, which I havent) would change anything. Do you think I would get my money back for books 1-7 that I paid for them if I did return them. I could use the money actually…. ponders… but I love the books still, and I dont think it changes the books since it wasnt in the books.

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read chapter 18 in DH then…

thinks more

also some nice subtext in “Kings Cross” (smiles helpfully at sbf)

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I consider his “in love properly” as you call it, the likeness of hermione loving lockhart. Obviously it was one sided, from the books, or nothing more than an infatuation and what if JKR decided to come out saying Lockhart liked to date his students, but it wasnt in the book, then we would all be like “I knew it, I figured hermione had to be in love with him”. All I am concerned about is if he wasnt out in his books, he shouldnt be “out” in his movies either and if JKR thought that it was such a plot point, why did only probalby 10% of her readers even see it, and why not add it at the end of the book instead of hinting at it, if it was so important.

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I agree to a certain degree with Whitney, because the fact that Dumbledore is gay has no place and no need in the book for a child. And it isn’t in the book – at least not for a child. You can read into it what you want, of course. When I read the comments about “I am so wearing a DD shirt to the next gay pride parade,” it really upset me. Because now these wonderful books, this great story line is going to be dragged through the mud, before you know it, there will be questions about what it means when Dumbledore says he loves Harry, and all that stuff. Do you all really want to see the series under attack, just so you can put another notch into your rainbow banners?

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@SBF: I think it would have deffenetly affected sales if she had put it in book 1. Saying otherwise is crazy. For right or wrong there are a lot. A LOT of people that think being homosexual is wrong. I do not agree but a lot of people think that way. Look at these post just to see. All those people, would not have bought the books. Look at how dificult it is in America to get the laws changed. Two A lot of people buy these books for thier children and do not want a author of a book to teach thier kids about sexuality.

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Dear Jo and LC,

This is goodbye. We have been delivered a Trojan Horse. I am shocked at the revelation of DD being gay, but the insinuation of homosexuality into our home is repungant. JKR has entirely misrepresented herself and has betrayed us in doing so.

I will always feel deeply betrayed by Jo, who is wrong and coward for not telling us sooner. I would have abandoned Harry a long time ago had I known, yes, even as much as I have loved the entire series. Harry and Jo are banned from this home for all time. I have defended HP to the harshest critics with a clear conscience, but no more. Yes, this is betrayal—I feel the greatest sucker punch. By withholding this information, JKR has been allowed to rise to unprecedented popularity.and now makes use of that popularity to teach children all over the world that homosexuality is acceptable. I cannot approve of DD as a role model to my children. My dh makes an excellent point: Imagine the outrage and betrayal in the gay community if it were the other way around. Suppose DD were gay from the beginning, the HP series (against the odds) rises to the wild popularity that it now enjoys. In the end, DD repents and is healed from homosexuality, falls in love with an outstanding witch and becomes an even greater wizard. The “sneakiness” would, more than the fact, create an outrage of betrayal. I never saw this coming, but now I am wiser for it. How far the mighty have fallen.

Goodbye,

DeeperMagic (see The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis)

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“People are not born gay. Ever notice they can’t reproduce? That should give you a clue.”

OH GOD!!! Don’t tell my daughter!!

What nonesence!

one of “THEM”!

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I will read it, but its strange how people will interpret it their different ways. I dont see how a childlike vision of “love” between 2 men as being brotherly love or like your bestest friend in the whole world is wrong to leave in our imaginations. Why does she have to make it a gay love, which is in no way “childlike” to me, it seems that she could have just left it in our imagination as we had wanted, even with answering the question. He could have said, the only person he felt anything near pure true love was for grindewald and let us make our own minds up.

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she never said it was very important to the plot at all sbf. which is why it wasn’t included. Its just fun background. =P

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sorry is jo.

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Well said, Anonimus!

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@ So Sad, I agree. I think we have to wonder about DD now. All those late nights with Harry in his study. All those times he told Harry he loved him. This is a very dangerous book. I think Harry might have to go to counciling.

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You tell ‘em Jo.

Just jumped on this board so haven’t read any comments yet but man, the poor girl looks like she’s being hounded.

i hope Jo constantly thinks of the overwhelming strong moral support she has from us fans to get through these hounding periods.

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For those who are offended and have forgotton the lession about choices defining the person, remember that the relationship was in DD,s teen years or early 20’s at most, and he died at about 150.

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If you are thinking thoughts like that dumble you are sick in the head too. you have no right to insinuate dumbledore is anything other than pure.

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JKR did not destroy HP and the series for me or my child. The stories are appropriate with guidance for children.

Conversations in public from both sides of this issue similar to the comments made here have destroyed the fun and safety of the series for us. People against the books have made snide comments to my child and “pro gay Dumbledore” people have made suggestive comments about Dumbledore in front of my child. I am not disappointed in JKR, but the uncivilized public.

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She said in this interview, why would i put such an important part of my story in book 1 (or something like that) if it was so important, then why wasnt it even in book 7. It may have been in her encyclopedia and it may be in the harry potter lexicon, but I am pretty sure that they didnt make the connection to put it in there either until JKR outed him. there are people who read things into every little thing on earth so why wouldnt some people assume that dd is gay because he “loved” grindewald, but the majority do not think that way and do not assume that just because someone “loves” someone means they are physically attracted to that gender. I think ron and harry loved one another and neither of them were gay (as far as I know).

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@ Minisha Did you read the last book? Even JK admited that DD had unpure thoughts. He thought about ruling the wizardly world. Are you trying to tell us that is your idea of pure. Do not blame me. JK brought up these topics. Not I. She wrote all this stuff not I. Do not take out your secret hatred of JK on me.

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Jut browsing through the comments

Here we go again, sigh

Where’s peeves – need him now for comic relief.

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Molly: I think I agree with you. I dont care about his sexuality, if it was in the books, maybe yes and maybe no about me reading them or freely letting my children read them, not sure yet. anyway, now there is no getting around it, most of us have proclaimed to be hp fans, defended the books, etc, and now with this coming out it is like we are up defending them again. Poor Jo, POOR US. we are the ones who have to defend now why do you let your kids read that. are you gay too since 1 character is. harry potter fans are gay, etc, etc, etc. I do not want gay rights people claiming the HP series as theirs, I do not want to be considered gay if I read it, like now, If I say, oooh a rainbow, i get asked, are you gay. No rainbows are pretty but they are not GAY. It annoys me that something can be considered gay and only for the gay community, (now dumbledore).

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@SBF I agree. It was not important and it never had to be an issue. Unfortuntly JK made it so. She has no comment on several questions fans have asked her but makes a comment on this. She is trying to make a statement and get publicity and she is using her books to do that.

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the wording for grindledore described in the book is a little stronger than platonic ron harry friendship (at least on albus’s part) I wondered for a while why people didn’t question it.

seriously i was on forums confusedly saying:

Grindledore??? heloooo? anyone else see it?

the words “caught and inflamed me…” ring any bells?? heloo?

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You can be caught and inflamed by a motivational speaker if they do it right, it doesnt mean you are attracted to them?

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To Jayden:

If JKR had come out to say that she is gay, it would not matter to me one bit, but she made a character in a children’s book thus, when it should not matter at all in a phantasy world (I keep hearing people referring to “the real world” – Harry Potter is NOT real, you all!), since Dumbledore is not involved with anyone in the books, that is written about, anyway.

Your comparison that an artist’s sexual orientation shouldn’t matter is faulty in this case – would I hang a picture of two men involved in my living room? Probably not.

Would I hang a picture of a gay artist in my living room? Certainly, if I like it, I don’t care if he or she is brown, black, yellow, white or green for that matter, or what is sexual orientation is, if he is a good artist.

I feel like I now need to monitor the movies at least – are they going to introduce a scene with young Dumbledore and Grindelwald? My kids don’t need to see that. And I think that’s what a lot of the hubbub is about.

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she made “no comments” before the series was over because the answes would give too much away duh

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Then you are one of the 10% who saw it, Slither, but seems that you even didnt get too many people agreeing with you right off.

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“I am proud that Jo didn’t put it in the books because it just goes to show how little sexuality should really matter.”

AM, that really sums it up. DD is still DD, and the books are still the books.

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I am more shocked for the fan reaction that for DD being gay. And believe this news surprised me!

With messages as “JKR has betrayed us” and “I will never defend the books for more”, I think some readers have minunderstood all the saga. please, remember this tolerance that supported the Order of the Phoenix. Death Eaters killed all the different. I think Jo was speaking about more than muggles, werewolves and squibs.

Anyways, if you can’t accept there is a character gay… please, ignore the info. If you will be happy, come on, ignore it.

And Jo said it would only affect fanfictions? wow with the fandom. and i am worried because it is an important part of the fandom the one that is angry now.

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The plot is what it is,” said Rowling. “(Dumbledore) did have, as I say, this rather tragic infatuation but that was a key part of the ending of the story so there it is. Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

How come you didn’t put it in book 7 then?

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but why is that sbf??? headdesk

why must people always say

“Slash? ew. Jo would never include a slash pair in the books…”

but they were wrong and we were right…

shows how much everyone else knows.

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not so sure: That is what I am about. and are they going to claim the new HP theme park as a gay theme park? When we take our 7 year old kids there what will it be like? Also, at least in the movies they warn you what might be in them, this book had no warning or no foreshadowing in book 1 where we would be able to make up our minds if we wanted this aspect of someone’s life in our children’s life until well after we had already read them and introduced them to the characters. that is deceit, if there was a foreshadow in book 1 where we could make up our mind it would have been more responsible of her to do so. If they say there are going to be scenes with grindewald and dumbledore in the movie, i have a choice not to go see it before I pay my money and walk into it. It was irrepsonsible for her to do this after the fact.

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Well, thank goodness she didn’t put it in the book! I don’t really care about what theories she reveals about characters after the books are done! People should just leave her alone and quit asking her about what happened to the characters after the books! They aren’t real people anyway. I’m just glad she had enough sense to realize that her idea of Dumbledore being gay was NOT appropriate to put in a children’s book.

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But I think it was written in the books. albeit subtley.

people not wanting to see it that way; just caused them to ignore it. does it have to be spelled out to you?? it would be crude to write it in the book so clearly i think, because dumbledores infatuation with Gridlewald seemed to be above all that “gay” or “straight” buisness. Dumbledore is labeled “gay” only for the sake of argument.

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Wow. I never comment on here, but this is all completely ridiculous, so here’s my two cents.

So what?

First of all, there has been homosexuality in literature forever, going back to the Iliad and even before that. For a major character or a hero of a story to be gay is no earth-shattering news. Has anyone read a book other than Harry Potter? Sometimes on here, I get the feeling that the answer is no.

And yes, I am a big HP fan, and I have been since 1999.

If the idea that a character in the books is described (not even in the books themselves) as being gay, and you simply cannot stand it, then don’t read the books. It’s not even in the book for you to read, anyway!

Your children won’t know anything of Dumbledore being gay unless you introduce that notion to them yourself. Or maybe you let them read/watch the crap that passes for news these days where they’ll be bombarded with it, in which case I would say that Britney, Paris, and Lindsay are bigger threats to your child’s sense of morality than the post-canon outing of a fictional character.

And just for the record, I feel it should have been a part of book seven since it would make more sense of the whole “Dumbledore’s Past” thing that just came out of the blue. Plot wise and literature wise - or what have you - it just would’ve worked better to include it.

I’m disappointed she revealed it in this manner—and no I don’t think she’s been a hero or brave about it either. It all seems very convenient in timing. I’m more disappointed that people are so up in a (angry or ecstatic) fit about it.

That’s it. Go read some more books, and ignore all the trolls and unnecessary hub-bub about all of this. The end.

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slither: I dont understand what you are saying but its okay because maybe I dont want to know.

I am not saying I wont defend the books, or I will, I am saying now I have to defend them for a whole nother reason one that I didnt even know was in it. I knew there was going to be witchcraft in it, and death from the first book and continued to read, defending its “not real” aspect, but to defend against something that wasnt there, is ridiculous.

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Rowling used to answer questions with “No comment,” because the answers would have given away future plot details. Now that she has finished the books, she is free to answer any question she likes, and has acted accordingly.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I’m glad my comment provided entertainment for some of you. Aside from throwing an unflattering light on some of the absurd comments here, that was my goal. I will point out for the less . . . perceptive of you (of which I’m afraid there is little shortage) that it was a joke. No I’m not upset about Neville being with Hannah—that would be every bit as silly as being upset about Dumbledore, nor, thank goodness, do I have children (I’m only twenty, and I’m every bit as gay as Dumbledore, though not quite as badass, I’m afraid.)

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Not that anyone here or anywhere cares. But the author’s revelation has turned me off from the books, movies, fan website & Pottercast —for no other reason than being ‘preachy.’ Rowling just couldn’t resist going that one bit further, could she?

I now turn my back on the Hogwarts world and join the millions of the cynical anti-Potter hoards and leave the rest of you to your Rowling worship and adoration.

Nothing to see here, just another talented twit celebrity with a social engineering agenda.

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You’re right kids won’t know, but some of their parents won’t let them read the books in the first place. I know some parents that won’t let them read because they say it promotes wichcraft (absurd)now even more will say no way DD’s Gay. What a load of Poo Poo, but its true. Kids will suffer

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Oh dear, then that means you must also be screening Alice in Wonderland for all the opium references, or Cindarella for the child abuse, right?

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Gross, I think that she should not have said that hello it’s kids book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She should keep her thoughts to herself. Gay how can you make Dumblerdore gay. This tragic thing will not stop this book from my liking… it will just make me feel sick. I have nothing aganist Gay people. Its just that its gross. When I reread this book I will block the gay thing out. jk is still my Fav. auther. just next time don’t go blabbling out every thought you have for all the charectors. I just hope no one else is gay.

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I dont think that the books you are talking about are considered children’s books? Not sure, but I do agree that my kids have brought home worse books about teenagers cutting themselves or killing themselves, etc, than this is, but at least it is in the book flap for them to know what they are reading and me also, and it isnt that you come to respect the teacher that you have known since kindergarten only to findout that she is and always has been a prostitute. I mean it is a different thing when you know what is going on and when it comes out after it is over as an aside. I havent seen too many kids books that a 3rd grade teacher would read to the kids that have homosexuality in it though, and that is when my kids got introduced to the HP series.

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It’s not some “kids book” carly. glares

it transcends all age groups.

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It was published as a children’s book, just because other people read it does not mean it is not a “children’s” book.

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Bravo, Jo! I admire your choices.

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Jo never intended it as a kids book. (at the beginning)

I expect she was aiming for YA

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I dont really know what the Alice in wonderland, cinderella thing was but if someone came up to you and you were 6 and someone told you you must do drugs because you like Alice in wonderland, then I am sure it would be something they would not want to assoicate with again. It is the same thing, it is becoming a “gay” issue to like HP and I dont like that part of it when it wasnt in the books for us to choose whether we wanted to have that aspect in our lives.

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She never mentioned DD’s sexuality in the books nor did she even give any hints. All this hoopla after the fact is just, well, strange. Since it wasn’t mentioned, then it wasn’t important. DD is dead. IMHO, Jo should have let him rest in peace and so should we.

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At Literature geek. A parent should look at everything thier kids read. Expecially at a certain age. Rather it be disney or Carroll

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Doesnt matter what she was aiming for, the age group she wrote for was not Young Adult, it was for kids probalby 3rd or 2nd grade and up. she obviously stayed within those guidelines to keep the age range appropriate.

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Sorry for what i said ” of all ages” is that better?

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For heaven’s sake, can anyone really call these children’s books anymore? Certainly not the last three. It pisses me off that people are using their children and how this revelation may or may not influence them as an excuse to be intolerant. If parents are so worried about the content of Harry Potter, why not complain over the death, violence, cursing, or any of the frightening images in the books? Those elements aren’t exactly those of children’s books, if you ask me. One of the most frightening things I’ve ever read was in DH when Nagini came bursting out of Bathilda Bagshot’s dead body, and even as a college student that was a completely terrifying image to me. Characters are killed before our eyes, frightening things happen, Molly Weasley calls Bellatrix a bitch . . . all of these are pretty heavy things for the average child to take in.

But THIS is what’s being focussed on.

Has it come down to this, that parents either turn a blind eye to what their children are taking in or pitch a hissy fit because their children are learning about the real world? If parents are so worried about their children reading these books because Dumbledore is homosexual, I think their priorities are not quite in line.

When you chose to let your children read books with real issues in them, don’t start trying to filter out the things that YOU don’t like. Either let them learn about the world and hope they’ll grow into more tolerant adults than you or continue to hide their heads under your aprons.

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She could have kept it YA if she added dumbledore being gay in book 1, that would have been probably 7th grade and up, which is dangerous since that is when they experiment with EVERYTHING including clothes, makeup, sexuality, music, alchol, drugs, etc and is when they are most impressionable and pressured.

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god, she’s getting so irritating. and the obnoxious demanding fan base is no better, constantly begging for more information, as if the potter stories, though engaging and fun, are important historical accounts or something. can’t we just let the story end?

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The people who keep saying that she didn’t put this in Book 7 are being unfair. She did put the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindlewald in the book; she just didn’t go right out and label it as romantic. As someone myself who dabbles in writing, I can testify to the fact that you don’t spell every little thing out to the readers. There are some things that you let the reader infer for himself, and Dumbledore’s sexual orientation is a prime candidate (the alternative would be shocking many readers so much that they would require the next several hours to digest the information and get on with the story—never a good thing for a book).

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I think these are great books. However it takes away a little bit by DD being gay. She just never should have mentioned anyones affiliation. Be it gay or straight and just let the books stand on thier own. She is only doing this to get back into the limelight.

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I would also like to hear more about DD’s and Grindelwald’s relationship (was there one at all?)... but something tells me that now that the tour is over, we won’t be hearing from her again for a loooooooong time. :(

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Sillabub you may have apoint, I didnt like molly using that word either, because I had respected her more than that and that did shock me, even though it was against Bellatrix, and some of the violent scenes are horrifying to children, which is why it is PG13, but we also know that is in there by reading it, we know that the movies may or may not show such violent things, and visual is much worse than reading it, I think, because we can use our imaginations to make it as scary or as nonscary as we want it to be, but the movies will put their own twist on them. once again, if it was in the books, we could have made our choice whether we wanted to read it or not, I am sure my kids probaly still would have, but this is ridiculous that it wasnt in the books and now it is a “major plot issue”.

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you know, i think she totally made this up after the book was published. publicity and controversy and keeping her name in print. she claims so often that ‘this was the plan since the beginning,’ and, while meaning no disrespect, that can’t be the case for everything she’s laid said claim to. harry’s invisibility cloak is one example; it provided an easy out for the concept of three deathly hallows. and don’t tell me for one minute she always intended for neville to marry hannah abbot; she just made it up on the spot. this is why i agree with ‘move on’ above: let the stories freaking END when the last book is CLOSED.

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... and snape killing dumbledore wasnt a shock. I think she liked to shock her audience so it would have been fitting for her to shock us once again inside the books, unless she was afraid she would lose her fan base and schools would pull their books, etc.

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My brother’s gay and believe it wasn’t his choice. He struggled with it for years and he had girlfriends, but he was just very unhappy that way. I don’t mind Dumbledore is gay, it really doesn’t seem like such a big deal to me. And I think Jo thought the same way, but she was careful with outing dumbledore because… well… because al the christian fanatics out there, and I’m particularly refering to al lot of americans. No offence, but a lot of you people stil have a 1950’s idea of homosexuality. (Allthough I must admit that I’m not such a big fan of gay pride parades, dancing with lipstick on, in nothing but a pink ribbon, just rubbs people the wrong way.) please respond, I’m curious what other people think.

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who asked her the question? all she says is that she was answering a direct question from someone. who? and why? sounds more like a pollitically motivated issue than anything literary.

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We must remember that this is Jo’s books and Jo’s characters. She was asked a question and she answered it. That is it! If we are on the this website then we obviously love the HP series and we must remember that it would not exist with JKR. She is a wonderful woman who has created a world with characters that are so dear to us. Dumbledore was a tragic character and I believe this bit of information has shown why Dumbledore acted the way he did about Grendlewald. HP is a children’s series but we must remember the world is made up of people who are different from one another. I think this is a great lesson for our children.

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pamela: you’re so right. she likes to shock. she’s a little wrapped up in herself.

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Seems that Americans take everything to the extreme, whatever it is, so that is why we get more worked up about it. Maybe if it were a more “normal” appearing thing than people being over the top flamboyant about it it wouldnt get so much attention, but it does because it seems to be something that is.

Its funny becasue I can argue both sides of most arguments, but I cant argue and defend JKR for releasing this 3 months after the book to an audience with some children, etc, in it. if she was “responsible” enough to know it didnt have a place in a children’s book, why does it have the place now in a room with children in it. Fame has changed her, I think, and it is something that most people cannot deny.

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pamela, a teenage girl in the New York audience asked her if Dumbledore had ever been in love… I was right there, I saw it. Good lord, I really hope Jo is just tuning all of the nutters out at this point.

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She didn’t make it up on the spot: She had formerly mentioned this to the director of the HBP film. And even if she did, IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY. As the author, she retains every right to make things up about her characters whenever and however she so pleases. They’re her books and her characters. If you don’t like that, you’re free to avoid books for the rest of your life, as the same goes for the relationship between every other book and its author.

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I know she made it orinally and aults book, but she then made it a children book… im a kid.. it just makes me uncomfortble, me and my friends. Im just confused

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Whitney, you are an idiot. Go crawl in a corner and die. Do you really think that by now you havent been in contact with at least one gay person? Dellusion is a great thing to hide behind.

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question)

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formally when asked about dumbledores love life or

the teachers spouses or something… she declined to comment saying that this was key to a future book.

anyone else remember that?

was this what she meant? if so it meant she’d been planning a while… maybe she had no room to fit it in (after all she forgot about the person doing magic in later life) or it sounded a bit much in the book- maybe… the editors thought it was too contraversial and pressured her to tone it down to a few hints… maybe it took her this long to finally be asked the right question and finally answer it. ???

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question)

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what’s up with the JK dodging the more important and socially damaging issue of the stamp collector?

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question) i don’t know what to say

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Minisha: she could have been referring about snape for the snape/lily plot line too.

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Weston (as well as anyone else of the same opinion), Yes you’re entitled to your own opinion but if that opinion is not based on a valid reasonable reason (especially when that opinion hurts someone else) then you have to ask yourself, is it the right opinion? There’s always been boy meets girl love stories even in children’s books. Cinderella with her prince charming not Cinderella with her princess charming or Cinderfella with his prince charming. Point is that Heterosexuality IS being pushed on people, from children’s books to most adult books. So if one character becomes gay it shouldn’t be a big deal though to many it suddenly is. Little kids grow up thinking that heterosexuality is the norm (and even to most adults this is true) and when they start feeling attractions towards the opposite gender, they suddenly start feeling like there’s something wrong with them when there isn’t. So many deaths occur just because of this alone.

Sexuality is neither choice nor biological, It just is, people need to start getting used to it. Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. The very fact that it exists makes it natural. Whether it’s ethical really depends on whether it hurts someone else. Homosexuality isn’t hurting anyone, as such it shouldn‘t be unethical. If one doesn’t have a legitimate reason for having a certain opinion against a particular group then one shouldn’t have that opinion at all.

Soldier, You say you don’t like to hate, then why all the hate against gays?

Roger, “And those who insist that saying Dumbledore is gay is the same as saying he is straight – stop kidding yourselves. By the very definition of the words straight is normal and natural, gay is not. Normal because the vast majority of the population say it is. Natural because that is the way nature intended the species to reproduce.”

Just because the vast majority of the population says so doesn’t make it suddenly “normal”. Also being gay doesn’t make one sterile. Take into consideration infertile people as well. By you definition, their union is unnatural because they’re unable to reproduce and if the purpose of intercourse is to reproduce (and only reproduce) then anybody (even married couples) who sleep together without the intent to make a baby are doing an unnatural act. I’m not terribly fond of straight people slobbering over each other either. That, however, doesn’t mean I’m suddenly going to start a riot trying to ban them to do things or get huffy when I see something like that on TV. I’d change the channel if it gets to be too much.

Greg, Your comment made me tear up. That’s the sweetest most beautiful I’ve ever heard. Dumbledore was a great character, his sexuality shouldn’t change how one feels for him.

I’d also like to point out that I’m not trying to put anyone down and I’m sorry if I come across as such. I’m only giving a reasonable rebuttal to your arguments.

Mr. Blair, “Free of Sexual issues” Mr. Blair I think Celia explained it well. The books are littered with references to heterosexuality as such you can’t say that if JK had put in a Man with a man or women with a women, it would suddenly have sexual references. So if you don’t consider heterosexuality sexuality, you shouldn’t be considering, homosexuality sexuality.

JT, Avalon and onmassave

I couldn’t have explained it better myself, Thank you.

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Wow, how did I get sandwiched by an Upset mum ???

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I think this is wonderful. I’m so proud to be a Potterhead after this revelation. The people who are angry need to go back and look at what these books truly are. They also need to read the rest of that interview in which she says firmly that a huge theme for her novels is teaching tolerance. Go back to Sorceror’s Stone and read the first meeting between Harry and Malfoy. “I don’t think they should let the other kind in,” is what Malfoy says of Muggleborns. That backwards thinking was a gift from his parents. The haters here who angry because of one character’s sexuality and who are snatching the books from their kids are exibiting what Rowling is teaching against and they are doing it without falter or regret. My opinion on what the theme of the Harry Potter series is this: people are what they are and- good or bad- they can’t be anything else. This is a story about people becoming who they are made become and being what they were made to be. Dumbledore is no exception, nor should he be.

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sorry about that. clicked to many times

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If you asked her what hat size DD wore she would say its uniportant. Yet he wore a hat. She only did this to create contraversy (sp?) which she now has done. She made the headlines and she is probably happy. It did not matter. Some people do not know or care. It did not change the outcome of the book. She did it only to create publicity which she now has done. I personally think that it is pathatic but I still like the books. Who cares if the author is crazy.

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true-

or she could have meant both snape and dumbledore…

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she doesn’t need publicity.

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“I’m not the one who parades down streets and forces school to make little children learn about my lifestyle.”

Yeah, you are. If you don’t think everything in mainstream society – including schools and parades isn’t shoving your heterosexual lifestyle that you think is the only natural one down the throats of gays, gay children and children of gays, you’re an idiot. You’re probably a creationist too. But then I repeat myself.

“homosexuality is not natural “

You are an uneducated imbecile. If homosexuality was unnatural, it wouldn’t occur in Nature. Which it does. Frequently.

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At Joy: She teaches tolarance? Are you drinking. One EVIL wizard most likely is gay. And When DD is thinking about ruling the world he is gay. When he becomes straight is is all good and helping. THAT is the message you want to send people? Oh yea real tolarant. She hates homosexuals. Sad.

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@ Slither No she does not need publicity. No one does. She craves it. I had seen no front page headlines about her or HP in months and now this. Wow.

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uh dumble.

who said Grindlewald was that way inclined?

and also DUMBLEDORE IS STILL GAY.

you cant “become straight” you dufus

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Why can’t straight people spell?

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Ring Wraith: You’re correct. Completely dead on.

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im a very confused teen and now i wonder if any one else has a gay relationship. i thought they were just friend and now im grossed out and thick she only did that because she wanted the camras on her

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For the past year or so my daughter and I have sat down nearly every night to read about Harry Potter and his adventures but that has now come to an end. I knew that liberals were disgusting but this is pathetic. With all do respect, homosexuality is a disease that shouldn’t be encouraged with these well-written books.

Sincerely,

A disappointed father

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Mainstream society also tells us it is okay to cheat on our spouses, cuss, kill people, whatever else is in the shows that we watch or see, and a parent can talk to their kids when they see heterosexuality and say, son, I dont want you to do that, it just isnt natural, just as well as another can say that to their children when they see a homosexual couple, we can chose what we teach our kids as acceptable and unacceptable and whether we find it natural or not doesnt matter to one person or another, it isnt going to change what we feel about it either way.

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Who said he ever became straight?

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@ Minisha oh insulting people now. When arguments fail resort to insults. Way to prove your point. Is DD still gay? He is dead is he not. Think before you post. I mean really. Two he danced with a lady (somewhat at the ball) and had no boyfriends. The only time his gayness comes out is in book 7 when he is plotting evil. Read the books geez.

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Here’s the thing: just because Jo’s always thought of Dumbledore as gay doesn’t mean I did. And so, guess what, I still don’t. She invented him, but we, as readers, gave him individual life. There’s as many Dumbledores are there are readers of the books. So, Jo’s Dumbledore may be gay, but mine’s not. I’m sure plenty of people’s versions of Harry are gay. Who really cares. She needs to stop pushing for controversy.

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Dumble: She said Dumbledore IS gay—as in right now. She did not say that he suddenly turned straight after becoming a good wizard. Now you’re the one making things up on the spot.

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Ring wraith- oh and you know her personally then?

listen to pottercast you twerp. those are fans who actually got to know her.

why are you so fired up about this in particular?? she’s been in the paper before more times than this is it because your a backwards neanderthal?

quite possibly…

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@Stop and think; Very intelligent post. I agree. 100 percent

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anonimus: why are you spelling ‘anonymous’ incorrectly? that’s irritating.

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Ring Wraith, Thanks, I appreciate hearing that.

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To sbf The German version of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be released on Saturday 27th October. So far we have not heard that ANYONE has canceled their book order – or said in an interview that they won’t go and buy the book because of Dumbledore being gay!

So yes – it seems to me that the American people have a tendency to overact or get exited to news like that – the same people, I’m sorry to say, who send their sons to the middle East into sure DEATH! Please America don’t be insulted if I just said this – act like grown up’s who live in the 21th century. Or don’t be surprised if you are laughed at from the rest of the world. Because after all “The HP books are a fictive world!”

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This whole thing is gay. Gay as in stupid. Way to ruin a large part of harry potter rowling

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to cythia: shutup ok, this whole thing is stupid like u… i went there ( got my fingers snapping at u… do you need to spell check this????)

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@Slither Did I ever say I knew her? Are you ok? I just posted what she said. Calling people names? Very mature of you. I just posted the facts. She has not made front page news or yahoo headlines, ect.. And now she has. She did this because she wants attention. As long as people worship her blindly she will have many people like you who ignore the facts and insult people instead of arguing rationally.

Now I might be wrong. Or I might be right. But I am not going to act like a child and insult people. I have my opinion and a right to defend it. Thank you.

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dumbledore is dead. you cant use is to refer to him.

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Stop and think: I don’t know. Why does Rowling spell ridiculous wrong in the spell “ridikulus?” Punning, mayhap? It’s not now a crime to pun, I hope.

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I am curious as to what message people took away from the series prior to Jo’s announcement. So many people spoke of love, acceptance, etc. and lamented if only the world was like the HP fandom where we could accept any and everyone.

It’s funny how the minute we take it out of a HP context (how could anyone not accept Remus because he was a werewolf, he couldn’t help it! how could anyone not like hagrid as a half-giant, he was sweet and caring and his size shouldn’t matter!) and apply it to real-world circumstances (race, sexual orientation, class, etc.) we suddenly can’t stomach the notion of tolerance and acceptance. It would be okay if Dumbldore were half-elf because that is make believe. But gay Perish the thought. Some fans can accept what will never be but could never understand what is! Fans can accept what will never be (half-giant, werewolf, half-bloods) because it is safe and there is no accountability.

Hopefully children who continue to read the series will be young enough to continue to extrapolate the message of love and acceptance from the text and actually apply it to their everyday lives. Acceptance and unconditional love isn’t something you read about, it is something you do.

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right on nathan and hate cythia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

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It may be ruined for some people. But not for me.

I was slowly begining to resent Jo for her straight laced unrealistic sappily ever after epilogue.

because of this new revelation, i can forgive the epilougue

a bit late because i already cut it out of the book. but meh- i have my perfect story now…

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If they know everything that is going on at all, then why even by the books, she has told plot lines and other things from a week after the books came out, if they truly have been sheltering themselves from the media so they wont know what happened, then maybe they dont know anything about the 7th book until they read it for themselves. You cant say that they arent canceling their books because they are more forward thinking than we are. Being american means being several nationalities in one nation, for all you know I could be anti-gay and german lol or I could be pro gay and born right her in the US ofA.

I wont even respond to the disrespect you showed our american soldiers in your comment.

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I never felt the need to consider any of the characters sexuality. That wasn’t what the book was about. Don’t most kids go through school thinking that their teachers are non-sexual? It’s Jo’s book and character, but does it matter that he loved Grinswald in a physical way, not just as a boyhood best friend?

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Stop and Think:

Ditto! Very well put. Thank you for posting that.

Sometimes I feel that such huge fandoms such as this one what with all the movies, games, toys, theme parks (gag!) clamors for interviews, and the like just destroys the relationship of the book with the reader’s imagination. Sigh. That’s sad.

I mean, I love Harry Potter, and I will read them to my children, but ultimately the only thing that matters is what they see in it themselves, not what Jo or the fandom sees. Whether that means Dumbledore is gay or straight, again I say, so what? It’s whatever they choose to see.

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I took the message that I was right about snape loving lily all along and there was no “moral of the story” for me, I just found it a good read and was interested in finding out who died at the end and who lived. There was no acceptance for an elf if he happens to cross my doorstep. It was just a good story to escape reality for a few years. something to look forward to with the next book/movie.

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I really don’t see the reason Jo needed to disclose this… when I read the part about him and Grindlevald I never picked up any homosexual connotations – to me it read that he was infatuated with the ideal of wizard rule over the muggles that they were discussing at a very low time in DD’s life.

The reason it took so long to DD to confront GW was he obviously felt conflicted about how Ariana’s death occurred and his feelings of friendship for GW… I mean, what if Harry and Ron split up over something similar (like Ginny’s or Hermionie’s death) and Harry heard that Ron became evil… wouldn’t Harry fell conflicted about confronting his old friend?

JK is correct when she says that they are DD is ‘her’ character and she can make him gay if she wants to… but these characters have taken on a life of their own and this ‘revelation’ serves no purpose to the plot of the books.

Now she will have to answer question after question about DD’s sex life INSTEAD of answering more questions about the others characters lives… I ask you, which would you rather read?

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Don’t put on that pompous act, ring wraith. You made an unfounded statement, you deserved it.

bleh

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the reason was that someone asked

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@Slither I did not make a unfounded statement. My statements were all backed up by facts. Your however are flimsy. But that is ok. You can insult me if you like. It does not hurt me. And if it makes you feel better to insult others, feel free to insult me because it slides off.

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The timing of this announcement suggests Jo Rowling was aware of the effect it would have on sales and readership. I have co-workers who would not let their kids read the books because “wizardry is an instrument of the devil”. This will be one more reason to let their intolerance keep their kids from discovering these wonderful books. I’m sure a smart woman like the author is well aware of the uproar this will cause.

By the way, what’s “natural” about wizardry? If you want to keep your children away from any entertainment that includes gay people, better keep them from watching all movies, television and major sports, because, you twits, gay people are EVERYWHERE, leading regular lives, serving our country, paying mortgages and loving their children and standing right behind you in the grocery check-out line.

Somehow I don’t think Jesus preached hate, and I have a funny feeling Saint Paul was a Friend of Dumbledore, if ya know what I mean, wink,wink. That’s why he went nuts on the subject of homosexuality.

Next I’m hoping to find out Professor McGonigall has a hot young boyfriend, but maybe that’s just the 57 year-old wild woman in me talking.

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o rly? good. about your statement: I feel they were mad postulations then.

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at ring. I agree. This is no reasons to insult people. But remember Slither is probably around 10 or so. So its not his fault.

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Ring Wraith: I find it ironic that you’re calling Slither out for insulting you, after all the insults you’ve hurled at Rowling, Dumbledore, and gay people in general.

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I’m a girl

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@Slither; I said she has not been in the mainstream headlines. That is fact. I said she did not need to tell anything that it did not change the outcome of the book one way or the other. That is fact. I said she did it because she craves attention. That was opinion.

YOu have not backed up anything you have said with facts. You however felt free to insult me. I am sure that JK would be proud of you insulting people. Since you said she preaches tolerance in her books. I think that was you. That is really tolerant to insult people when you cannot make a point with truth.

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Sbf I don’t want to argue with you… ..maybe my English is not understandable. I am not showing disrespect to the American soldiers. I feel sorry that they have to go to a war which is senseless and I feel sorry for them. We in Europe have not forgotten what we owe the American’s who saved the world many a time! But then please don’t insult our Media over in Switzerland. We may be a small country but our News are accurate and bless me – we do have CNN or all kind of English channels..so yes we are informed what is going on in the world – and our children will know this Saturday – that Hogwarts Headmaster is gay.

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I have not insulted Dubledore. Not once. I do not care if he was gay. Just no reason to bring it up. NEver insulting Rowling either. Point out those post will you.

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but is that your only concern? you wouldn’t protest so much unless you had something against the subject being discussed by the media…

implying that you are intolerant.

do you think jo “preaches” tolerance of intolerance?

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Oh by the way how can one insult a fictional character. Some would say that is impossible.

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Personally, I call shenanigans and think this is some kind of publicity stunt because, honestly, I didn’t see anything in the books pointing him to be a gay character. He was a figurehead in a children’s book. So what if he didn’t have a relationship with a woman? He didn’t have one with a man, either. So what, beyond publicity, would be the reason for Rowling to out Dumbledore after the series had come to a close and there wasn’t any real, concrete evidence in the books pointing to him being gay? I personally think it’s a little ridiculous that Rowling’s being lauded as being so brave as to have included a gay character in her books when there wasn’t really anything pointing to that in the first place!

It’s just so odd to me that she’d make this announcement after the series came to a close. It doesn’t change the books for me at all. It wouldn’t’ve changed the books for me had she announced this within the confines of her literature. But it just seems to me to be some kind of ploy so far after the fact.

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But you did not see it that way doesn’t mean it wasn’t meant that way.

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in response to some comments made here, yes i do think homosexuality is not natural, but that is not the point. my point is that Rowling decided to wait untill after she was rich and sold millions of books to make this declaration. and it think that it proves how greedy she is, she knew that if she had done so before she would not have sold as many books and certainly a lot of people would not have let their kids read the books… its dishonest from her and disrespectful to do what she did. i do not hate gay people but i do think is not natural, throwing things with your arms is natural, that is what arms are for (this is in response to some early comments saying that throwing a baseball is not natural but people do it.. just like homosexuality). i do not care if all of the characters are gay, i just think that she should have said so before so that people who do not agree with such tendencies could decide not to buy the books. one more thing i receive ome criticism about my grammar, i live in Venezuela and my native language is spanish so i apologize for any mispelling or other kinds of errors in my writing.

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Ring Wraith: Right, because being asked the question is no reson to bring it up. She should’ve just lied or refused answer. Sure. And I think you’re projecting onto Jo: Just because you crave attention, doesn’t mean that every time a celebrity reveals shocking news that they’re doing it to get noticed. Sometimes people actually have a legitimate motive for letting out information that happens to be startling. Promoting tolerance is a fine example of such a motive.

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@Slither. I really think something is affecting your mind. Not trying to be insulting but your last post was confusing. You did not answer any post by bringing up facts. You did not address the fact that you showed intollerance for other peoples idea’s when you insult them. And I only brought up the media when pointing out that I though JK wanted to be in it.

Once again the whole of my argument is: There is no reason whatsoever for JK to bring this up unless she wants to get more media attention. There was hundreds of ways to answer the question without offending anyone or causing an uproar. Why did she do it then. To get back into the media’s attention.

But feel free to call me intolerant, I am not the one calling people neanderthals.

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”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

The readers have the right to read whatever they want into your characters. It becomes theirs. No wonder why she rants about snape being bad all the time whenever she hears some readers form different views. The woman doesn’t understand that. What a control freak.

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@G: That is what I am saying. Be carefull they will be insulting you next. lol

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michele, exactly what does the Iraqi war have to do with this subject? And as for the ‘acceptance’ of the Germans—what’s accepting about killing the Jews?

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interesting that people didn’t jump down JKR’s throat when Molly Weasley, the role model mom of all kids, openly cursed in the book. Note, many characters curse in the books, but this is the only open speech evidence of the choice of words. And people don’t think it’s necessary to pull the books out of their children’s bookshelves. But DD being gay suddenly opens a can of worms. I really do feel for him. First he is stuck at home taking care of his sick sister after loosing his mother, than he finds his equal and gets drawn like bee to honey (they did exchange nightly owls – did you miss that part of the book?); and then he is literally blinded by love and suddenly everything comes clean, his “soulmate” leaves and his sister is dead. Really sad…

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Ring Wraith, let me repeat: I think you’re projecting onto Jo: Just because you crave attention, doesn’t mean that every time a celebrity reveals shocking news that they’re doing it to get noticed. Sometimes people actually have a legitimate motive for letting out information that happens to be startling. Promoting tolerance is a fine example of such a motive.

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I think that is exactly the point. your opinion toward homosexuality biases how you think about the entire matter. Suddenly Jo seems to be this huge money greedy person.

because you cant even comprehend this being a normal thing 9not even worth the front page). i found a very very small article about it on pg 23 in my local paper.

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Again, I must point out that most children will not even know about this announcement. And, if they are not told about it, when they read it, they will just see that Dumbledore cared for Grindewald like a friend. And again, I know others have said this, but feel I must reiterate, that she has mentioned a lot of things after the fact, like Neville and Hannah, and Harry being an auror, etc.

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@ Anonimus; At least your arguing rationally. I will be glad to discuss the point with you. But I would like to understand how by making that comment she is promoting tolerance. Look at this message board for example. Very little tollerance. And all comeing from her statement. Now I have not addressed the gay issue. In fact I said it does not change the book and I still like it. I am just addressing her comments.

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I’m at a loss why someone would reveal something shocking other than for gaining attention.

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Sadly, however, idiots reproduce every day.

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But it isn’t shocking. Not in England.

where is everyone from? btw (just curious)

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I’m not here to argue that this has promoted tolerance. What I am here to argue is that it was her GOAL to promote tolerance. Whether she was successful in that attempt is a different issue altogether.

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I must say I’m a bit confused as to why one of the arguably most-famous women on the planet would need publicity or why one whose net worth is greater than the Queen would need more money, but since these statements are made with such adamant sincerity and absolutely no apparent fear of libel, I must assume that all of those making them know her personally and can testify to them as fact. Interesting.

For all who are so concerned about supporting some alleged gay agenda, you indeed have a daunting task in your entertainment choices. May I suggest you refer to Wikipedia’s list of gay and bisexual persons as a handy guide while it is still only 28 pages – online, that is. I’m positive all concerned citizens will want to print a copy and refer to it before seeing any movies or plays, visiting any art galleries, purchasing and/or reading any books, listening to any music, watching any television or indulging in any other entertainment options.

Remember, though, this is only a list of the relatively-famous. You will have to perform your own due diligence regarding local entities to make certain, for example, that the restaurant you’re about to eat at or the store you’re about to shop in doesn’t employ any homosexuals. For circumstances in which you are not able to make such inquiries, such as while you or a loved one is being wheeled into the hospital trauma room with moments to live after a car accident, I suggest a card to be carried in your wallet along with your insurance stating that you will only consent to attendance by heterosexual personnel. If a completely-heterosexual staff is not available, then you and your family will have the satisfaction of knowing that death was not too high a price to pay for remaining unsullied.

Of course, there’s always the option of realizing that homosexual people have existed since the beginning of recorded history and it really should be a non-issue by now, but if you think it’s wrong and want to teach your children the same, fine. That’s up to you. Feel free to burn the entire Harry Potter series because of something that isn’t mentioned. Ms. Rowling isn’t telling you how to raise your children or how to think, and you cannot tell her what she should have been thinking about her copyrighted characters when she created them, or what she can or cannot say about them in response to reader questions. Please, write your own books if you think you can do a better job, but for pity’s sake, some of you, invest in a spell-checker before you do.

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if: Have you never told someone something shocking with a goal other than gaining attention? If not, I truly pity you.

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I’m from England.

was it in many papers here?

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Well I am gone. Got real life things to do but I would say how does anyone know what her goals were. They COULD have been to promote tolerance and they COULD have been to get her back onto the front page. I think the latter but the former is just as good as argument as any I guess. I do not believe it however. I am gone.

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Oh boy, I can’t believe there still people out there like Whitney and Co. How can homosexuallity be wrong? It has existed forever and always will.

I love the fact that DD is gay. Way to go!

If you don’t want your children to know he is gay, don’t tell them. It’s not in the books, they won’t be able to read it between the lines.

But I pray to God that none of your unfortunate children will turn out gay one day.

Yeez.

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Hellsing: Very nicely said! You make great points.

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I don’t think it was in many papers here. (just small articles) ???

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Bye Ring Wraith, I hope Slither follows you out. Then insted of wasting time and space with the bickering and nonsence that both of you are spewing at each other, those of us who have oppinions concerning the book and Jo’s anouncemnet can have a nice grown up discussion. Have a good day.

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Yet is hate the greatest immorality.

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He started it.

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Wow, just looked at the pics. So jealous how photogenic she is.

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Making everyone admire DD before revealing this last bit of information was very clever, and somewhat manipulative.

Quotation from the net: “Rowling declined to say whether her “outing” of Dumbledore might alienate those who disapprove of homosexuality.” (from: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-10-23T152444Z_01_N23210446_RTRUKOC_0_US-ARTS-ROWLING.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2)

Of course it might… But I am sure Rowling thinks she is doing so “for the greater good”...

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I gotta say I always thought Dumbledore would be quite the ladies man… apparently not :)

Couldn’t care less if Dumbledore (or anyone real or fictional) is gay though, Dumbledore is the greatest wizard in the world, always has been and always will be. He had a dodgy past, and could be a tad manipulative, but when it comes down to it he’s a really great guy. And good on JKR for standing up for herself, she rocks!

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Oh come on people. Stop being so narrow minded! It’s just a fiction character. I love HP as much as anyone else on here, but come on. Get over yourselves. There’s more important issues to argue about in the world than the sexuality of a fictional character.

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I understand J.K. is the author and all but it just makes no sense why she would state that Dumbeldore is gay! There is no real mention of it in the book and no declaration that he ever had any type of love life. So why did she just now decide to say anything about it if it doesn’t even hint that he was gay in any of the books. I have no problem with the character being gay or straight it just seems like saying he is gay now is just because she wants media headlines. I loved the whole HP series but I just don’t think it really made any sense to say it because it has nothing to do with the book. I also think she might be doing it now to try to get even more people to pick up the book and analyze that character which the book isn’t based on.

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Isn’t there anyone on this board happily shipping the new cannon pairing?

I feel like I’m having a party at a funeral.

blows party blower

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Congrats JO! It takes courage and you are an example to the civilized world.

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First of all: about the choice issue. To the heterosexuals: if you tried really really hard, do you think it would be possible to have enjoyable “relations” with a member of the same sex? No? Well that’s the way it is for homosexuals and they don’t have any more choice over it than you have; otherwise I guarantee many of them would choose heterosexuality just to avoid the hassles from morons like… well like a few (thankfully very few) of the people here.

I would just like to remind the real potterheads here that I think the gaybashers here never actually read a Harry Potter book. They’re just trolls here to spread their hate-speech. Why? Misery loves company and nothing makes people more miserable than authority forcing them to arbitrarily hate some random group for completely made up reasons.

Most of the gaybashers are actually closet cases themselves. It’s just that this is the only way for them to safely (because the rest of their family or neighborhood is probably made up of bigots too) discuss homosexuality. That or their just inbred morons. You can tell by looking at what’s happened to many of the gaybashing politicians. They all get caught in homosexual affairs.

Either way, if these tourists (or trolls as some call them) actually read (or understood) the books, they would understand the importance of tolerance and understanding.

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Baradore,

there is no mention only if you can’t read between the lines. To many people that fact was already quite obvious.

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yeh, the subtext is quite clear (clearer than early R/Hr) if your adapted to reading it. (as all HP fans should be of course)

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Slither and Minisha, it got a brief mention in the Scottish and English Sunday papers including this quote from the gay rights group Stonewall, “It’s great that JK has said this. It shows that there’s no limit to what gay and lesbian people can do, even being a wizard headmaster.” LOL. I thought that was a brilliant and very funny quote from gay rights campainger with his/her head screwed on. Well done.

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thanks Lisa hands over a slice of cake

anyone have info about US press?

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Thanks! I could do with a slice of cake to go with my cup of tea as I sit down to watch the telly ;o)

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There is no place for introduction of the Gay Lifestyle in a CHILDREN’s BOOK. I am shocked, disappointed, and am considering getting rid of all of my books and DVD’s. This is shameful and enfuriates me that JKR would use her celebrity to promote a cause which is deviant and wrong and has no place in mainstream society. How dare she? Children should be allowed to be CHILDREN and their innocence should be guarded and preserved. SHAME ON HER.

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To If You asked what the American war in Iraq had to do with this discussion. If you have read ALL of the comments you would know why I responded to SFB comment. I quote: Seems that Americans take everything to the extreme, whatever it is, so that is why we get more worked up about it. And please it was not necessary to put that comment about the German’s. First of all, I am Swiss – you know where Switzerland is, yes? It’s that small country who helped hiding the Jews! So your nice little “torrent of hatred” backfired on you! And with your comment you have proven why we are still arguing for hours now!

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I’m not going to mince words here. If you honestly think she did this to boost sales, you’re stupid. Think about it for a second. Is homosexuality accepted by society? Generally speaking, no; as many of the comments here show, homosexuality is very widely hated. It logically follows, then, that revealing this information could serve only to hurt the book’s sales. Already many of you so-called fans have begun to despise Jo and her books (which makes me pity any of your friends or family who might be considering coming out: you’d probably send them death threats; in the very least you’d refuse to associate with them). I am confidant when I predict that we’ll see a significant drop in sales after this. Jo was willing to make that sacrifice in order to get a heartfelt message out. We should admire her for that, not wallow in petty hatred.

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lawlz.

RW- there should definitely be a place…

only then will the next generation be able to overcome prejudices we were brought up with.

that will be the end of hate ie racism, sexism, homophobia. the world will be a more beautiful place yes?

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Here is an excerpt from an article on Time Magazine’s website today: “So along comes Rowling with Dumbledore—a human being, a wizard even, an indisputable hero and one of the most beloved figures in children’s literature. Shouldn’t I be happy to learn he’s gay?

Yes, except: Why couldn’t he tell us himself? The Potter books add up to more than 800,000 words before Dumbledore dies in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and yet Rowling couldn’t spare two of those words—”I’m gay”—to help define a central character’s emotional identity? We can only conclude that Dumbledore saw his homosexuality as shameful and inappropriate to mention among his colleagues and students. His silence suggests a lack of personal integrity that is completely out of character.”

J.K. Rowling is contradicting herself. She is saying that his sexuality wasn’t a big deal, and she’s also saying that his feelings for G were his great tragedy. The brave thing to do would’ve been to mention his feelings for G in the book - she wouldn’t have had to use the word “gay” and it would’ve been taken by many as “Oh, that’s cool.” But she waited until her zillions of books were sold and then provides it as an answer to an audience member’s question - and it wasn’t even a direct answer. Her announcement at this time and in this manner was cowardly and certainly appears to be designed for shock value and of course more sales.

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maybe someone could ask her why on earth she didn’t include it in the book explicitly?

was she pressured? i really want to know…

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Oh no watch out peeves is coming

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Yes, I wish someone would ask her why she didn’t include it in the books, when it became an important part of his character development. Her millions of loyal readers accepted references to the Nazis, horrendous murders, torture scenes … why didn’t she think we could accept a gay character?

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I agree with the time article. She is a great writer and a great self promoter as she has proven by saying this

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“Mr and Mrs Drusley, of number four privet drive, where proud to say they where perfectly normal, thank you very much” these words are familiar aren’t they ? I guess some people need to think about this in relation with what happens later.

Society try to say this is “normal” , “normal” being what the majority do/think whatever. But that don’t mean it’s the right way. Or that it’s the only right way.

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I know… Why conform to social norms? think for yourselves and let others do what they want if its harmless.

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DeannaLii: Right, because not broadcasting your sexual orientation indicates that you’re ashamed of it. I myself am gay, and I have never felt the need to blurt it out. If someone asks me, I will tell them straight to their face that I most certainly am gay, and defend myself vehemently. Until asked, however, I see no need to bring it up; for one thing, I’d be accused of needlessly “forcing” it on others. I imagine Dumbledore had a similar stance (assuming homosexuality isn’t simply a non-issue in the wizarding world, in which case his silence becomes even easier to understand).

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Uh Anonimus Dumbeldore was not a real person. SO I do not think anyone asked him. If he was real as you seem to claim then JKR was wrong in outting him. I still doubt he is real though.

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that doesn’t matter, Dumble he is speaking hypothetically.

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If your not ashamed of your homosexuality why do you post under Anonimus?

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So your saying JKR only Hypothetically outed him?

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what does that have to do with being gay?

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You see what i mean. Look at all the intolerance we have for each other on this board. What do you think the next PTA meeting will look like. The kids loose on this one…..but hopefully only temporarily. At some point they will be old enough to decide for themselves.

Maybe that is what Jo’s thinking. The thing is that Jo was careful to say DD was gay in her mind. The thing that most people will miss is that he can be whatever you want him to be.

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I’m not surprised that Dumbledore is gay. It clears up a lot about his relationship with Grindelwald and why he acted the way he did.

What I am surprised about is some of the fans reactions. It’s almost as if those who are taking this news badly have missed the entire message of the Harry Potter books….Tolerance, acceptance and love. The books taught us from the beginning that prejudices exist and how bad they can be. It doesn’t matter if you’re muggle born, half giant, house elf, half blood, male, female, Gryffindor, Slytherins, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, black, white, Asian, Christian, Islamic, straight or gay.

Jo was asked by a fan if Dumbledore ever experienced love and she answered truthfully. She told the fan how she had always imagined Dumbledore to be. I have no doubt when she was writing book 7 and the letters from Dumbledore to Grindelwald that she knew Dumbledore was in love with him.

What I find upsetting is that if Jo would have said Dumbledore was in love with a girl when he was young but never had a family, there would be no “controversy”. People wouldn’t be complaining about knowing his sexual orientation because Dumbledore being straight would be acceptable, but because she answered truthfully that this wise great wizard, that many love and think so highly of is gay and loved another man, people now want to change their minds about him and the books…? Wow, that’s too bad. I guess you really did miss the messages of the Harry Potter books then.

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here is the link to te times article: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1674550,00.html

DeannaLii, thanks for pointing that article out to us. People should read it. JK is speaking point side of her month in this issue, and why or why not it wasn’t in the book.

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he he he, o by the way peevesy having lots to say Snapey’s bravy all the way did you know dumble’s gay peevesy aint fussy any day

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I never said Dumbledore is a real person. Where you’re getting this, I have no idea.

I post under Anonimus because I dislike my name; also for the same reasons you post under an alias.

A relevant self-quote:

The people who keep saying that she didn’t put this in Book 7 are being unfair. She did put the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindlewald in the book; she just didn’t go right out and label it as romantic. As someone myself who dabbles in writing, I can testify to the fact that you don’t spell every little thing out to the readers. There are some things that you let the reader infer for himself, and Dumbledore’s sexual orientation is a prime candidate (the alternative would be shocking many readers so much that they would require the next several hours to digest the information and get on with the story—never a good thing for a book).

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he he he, o by the way.

peevesy having lots to say.

Snapey’s bravy all the way.

did you know dumble’s gay.

peevesy aint fussy any day

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I don’t understand what you are trying to ask me Dumble.

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Hey I am like DD I love gays. Just wondereing why one of the most EVIL wizards in her book is gay. And why when DD was thinking evil thoughts he was gay. Yet all the best people; Harry, Ron, James, Lupin, are hetrosexual. I think JR hates gays. And that is just wrong.

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This is interesting!! I am in Canada, and while it didn’t surprise me that DD was gay – when reading the book, I thought ” hmmmmmm, that’s interesting’ a few times in reference to DD and GNGLWLD – what has surprised me is the a- the intensity of the interest in this b- the fact, that some parents ( and I am one too..) would be taking the books from their kids…just because now, they know DD is gay.

Frankly..that is petty and lame. If you have different values then the culture around you, explain it to your kids, teach them about it..why you believe what you do – invite them to think about it. If you don’t – your kids will eventually..kick down what it is you have ’ forced upon’ them and will create their own new reality.

Trust me – growing up Jewish in a christian society – your messages, beliefs etc, are ” shoved down our throats” to qoute Whitney, every single day. We don’t complain, it is what it is, we teach our own values, we don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. We don’t run in fear, yelling at our children ” No! No! No!”

Perhaps JO, wanted us to think about the greater message of the HP books…it is all about diversity, tolerence and learning to understand, what truly motivated people…and not to judge ( look what we did to Snape…who turned out to be a hero as well…)

Keep on thinking folks…its our only hope!!

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Jo, you are great! Take your time writing the encyclopedia, you deserve a break.

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Quite frankly, I’m appalled by the fandom’s reaction to this news. Jo has always viewed Dumbledore as being a homosexual. Therefore Dumbledore has always been gay, we just haven’t noticed. This small point should not be something that will turn you off of the books completely. Homosexuality is not a choice. I don’t care what you say, from my personal experience, it is not a choice.

Dumbledore is gay, accept it. Homosexuality is a fact of life. Sheltering our children is not the way to deal with it, because that will just breed more narrow-minded people.

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I’m going to reiterate my point that these are NOT CHILDREN’S BOOKS. For heaven’s sake, stop acting like your children are suddenly victims of J. K. Rowling’s decisions! I personally have faith in her and am shocked that everyone keeps belittling this brilliant woman for answering a simple question honestly.

While the first few books may have been targeted at a younger audience, that can hardly be the case with the last ones. Children can enjoy the books, certainly, but there’s a REASON that the movie adaptations are PG-13. There are so many heavy, serious situations in the books that parents could worry about, but this revelation, something that’s not even STATED in the books, is what parents are pitching a fit about? No one cares that in the actual books the characters witness the cold, ruthless horrors of war, experience torture at the hands of evil people, or watch their parents commit murder? No one cares that many children probably learned the word “bitch” from Molly Weasley? Why would someone complain so much about the “gay lifestyle” appearing in these books when there are lifestyles in the books that actually give the reader a RELEVANT reason to be opposed to them? Gay is NOT EVIL.

When you chose to let your children read books with real issues in them, don’t start trying to filter out the things that YOU don’t like. Either let them learn about the world and hope they’ll grow into more tolerant adults than you are yourself or continue to hide their heads under your aprons in the hopes that they’ll remain ignorant.

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Misha do not worry. YOu will figure it out one day.

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Dumbledore was good… and gay…

i think he was gay and then because he was gay for grindy, he wanted to impress him, and went with his crazy schemes for world domination…

he was gay all his life- evil moments be damned.

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If you consider Dumbledore one of the most evil characters in the books, you have some serious issues, my friend. And Dumbledore was also gay when he was thinking good thoughts and risking his life in the war against evil. Your point=refuted.

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Silabub They have always been touted by the book company as Children/young adult books. Now you are saying they are not. Are you the publisher or advertiser? If so why do you change your stance now? And if not then how can you make such a statement.

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The sexuality of Dumbledore was really unimportant and as it has now been presented post-publication, becomes the main focus of the character. I find this entirely unfortunate because it takes what has been, up until now, a classic story for the ages and tosses it into a very unsavory arena that is riddled with social and cultural divisions. In other words, the harmony that bound the story to the masses has now been dissected and left to the wolves of social politics.

It will no doubt be cheered by the gay community, ripped to pieces by social conservatives and give parents, already wary from media accounts of pedophilia across the entire social structure, one big reason to second guess this series for their child’s library.

Regardless of the right/wrong issues of the gay lifestyle, this event will be most remembered as a dark day for the Potter series because it was first and foremost a wholly unnecessary one.

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Dumble… why don’t you explain it to me right now to save me the trouble?

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I consider the wizard he was consorting with one of the most evil characters in the book. Did you read it? How do you know DD did not change his lifestyle when he was risking his life? Since we are drawing conclusions and not using facts then how do you know that the only reason he was fighting V the second time was because of an affair he was having with Harry?

Maybe the first time he fought him it was a lovers spat. I mean as long as we are jumping to conclusions. Your point+Refuted.

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Poor J.K. Rowling. She thought this was the 21st century and that people were tolerant. I have a message for all of you: stop shoving your disgusting lifestyle down my throat. You women stop talking about what your husband won’t do in bed, stop holding hands in public, stop reading books about a 16 year old boy and girl kissing, stop putting all these mixed gender couples on television, and on billboards. Keep your disgusting little secrets behind closed doors where they belong.

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I dont think he wants to wast his time Minisha. I think it was a joke. Since you were talking hypothetically about a point you did not even start.

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Why are you assuming Grindlewald was gay then Dumble? for all you know, Dumbledores feelings could have been unrequited.

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Mike: The books have always been about challenging those social and cultural divisions, with blood purity and elf discrimination as clear metaphors. If you failed to grasp that, you clearly didn’t read the books very carefully.

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True Minisha but since everyone else is jumping to conclusions about things I just thought it was ok for me to as well

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“I’m going to reiterate my point that these are NOT CHILDREN’S BOOKS. For heaven’s sake, stop acting like your children are suddenly victims of J. K. Rowling’s decisions! I personally have faith in her and am shocked that everyone keeps belittling this brilliant woman for answering a simple question honestly”

Is that why only school age kids were allowed in this book tour except one. Is that why they always restrict these kind of events to 18 and under. Is that why they are classified in the childrens section in the book stores. wheather you see it as children book or not doesn’t matter. They are marketed as a children book.

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I believe she said that Dumbledore’s love was unrequited. Grindelwald was probably not gay, then.

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With all respect, i think it was pretty obvious anonimus was speaking hypothetically.

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I really feel sorry for the lovely tolerant people who are trying to reason with or talk sense to the homophobic bigots on this board (who insist that they are not bigots out of one side of their mouth while saying the most incredibly bigoted things out of the other side). I HOPE J.K. Rowling RUINED the series for you bigots. It’s what you deserve. To the lovely tolerant people—give it up, they won’t talk sense, they won’t answer questions, they’ll just spew out more filth and claim it’s because of the Bible. It’s no use to try to talk to them, explain things, tell them 4000 times that lesbiand and gays don’t molest children, that there are gay animals in nature, etc. etc. They won’t get it – they won’t change. However, it’s the MIDDLE of the road people who WILL change thanks to the incredible courage and integrity of J.K. Rowling. Someone else said that this whole thing is like a Foe Glass which has illuminated all the little Death Eaters among us. She is my hero!

Susan

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Exactly Minisha. You are getting it. He was speaking hypothetically about DD. And So was Dumble. And there you go. Solved.

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It doesn’t matter if they’re children’s books or not. It’s not going to kill a child to receive some exposure to reality, to learn that-horror of horrors-a man can love a man. My God, you act like she told us Dumbledore was a necrophile or something.

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I think calling people Bigots is wrong and just as bad as insulting homosexuals.

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WTG JO! ‘EAR! ‘EAR! ‘EAR!

she’s just so freaking amazing. .

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It is not JR job to educate our kids. Nor does she have the credentials to do so. I have to disagree with you on this Anonimus.

P.S. How do you know he was not a necrophile? No one has asked her yet. If they do they may recieve a shocking answer. Lke the last person who asked about his sexuality

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People deserve to be called bigots if they’re going to express baseless hatred against others. That is what a bigot is.

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I didn’t say that Dumbledore was not a necrophile; I said, quite plainly, that some of you are acting as though she said he was.

I never said it was her job to educate other people’s children. That doesn’t mean, however, that she doesn’t have a right to have a homosexual on her own book’s cast. By all means, shove your kids under a rock, and tell them that reality conforms to your prejudices. Meanwhile the real world will carry on.

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waves grindledore banner

I don’t think Jo has gone the wrong way about this at all…

theres so much depth to Dumbledores story now fangirls

clues

- Grindlewald was blond, laughing delighted (ie cute and striking) - the boys “took to each other at once” - they got on like a cauldron on fire - the owl in the middle of the night - esp in the letter (this was your mistake at durmstrang- but i do not complain because if you had not been expelled we would never have met) - you have no idea about how his ideas caught me, inflamed me… -wasted and useless… an then he came(dumbledore looked directly into harry s eyes)... Grindlewald

these are just the ones off the top of my head…

but oh gods, so much love… poor Albus…

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It’s my belief, and I maintain that they’re not intended only for kids. Harry Potter as a series is UNIVERSAL. Adults enjoy them, teenagers enjoy them, and mature children do, certainly.

Children’s books are ones such as Charlotte’s Web, Winnie the Pooh, and Babe. There are no harsh issues, little to no violence or bad language, just whimsical, moral fluff befitting a primary-school child’s earliest reading experiences. Harry Potter is not something I would place in that category. Philosopher’s Stone and Chamber of Secrets WERE children’s books, but MATURE children’s books. Since then the characters have grown up, and the situations became darker, more serious, and quite adult, but why would booksellers assign them to a new category as the books grew more serious? Perhaps that’s why the books are still sold in those categories. I would agree that books are, if anything, Young Adult books. But I would NOT put Deathly Hallows under the category of children’s books with Dr. Seuss and Grimm’s Fairy Tales. I happen to work in a bookstore, and our Harry Potter books are under the General Fiction and Young Adult sections.

This only proves that tolerance can’t be taught and the point of my previous post was completely missed.

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haha I Also figured that Elphias Doge had been harboring a wicked (likely unrequited) crush on Dumbledore.

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haha vitamin. so true. wow whitney and others. wow. your responses truly make me sick. you aren’t gay, that’s fine. you think its gross because you AREN’T gay. but it doesn’t make it wrong. did Jesus ever say anything about it? not that we know of. I’m a christian and i am all about human rights. if you aren’t a fan anymore for something like this, then fine. get over it and leave the site and Jo alone.

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Well, what a relief is it for me to know that JKR now feels “free” by letting everyone know one of literatures favorite characters is gay after the series has ended. I wonder if she gave any thought to the backlash? I’ve already heard Ryan Seacrest on E! ask about DD’s “magic wand”. Lovely. My all time favorite books are now going to be fodder for all the comedians to make fun of in the same disgusting way Seacrest did. And also, parents who were leary about letting their kids read HP because it involves magic now have another reason not to let them. This unnessary revolation by JK will now prevent kids from ever getting to read these wonderful stories. Hey, but she can relax now and THAT’S what’s really important. :(

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So Anonimus your saying that if someone does not raise thier kids in a manner you find correct then they are shoving them under a rock and should tell them that reality conforms to thier prejudices? Wow. That defines bigot.

IF, and I say IF, she markets her book a certan way then she has responcibilities. You do not get out of any responcibilities by claiming it is my book and I will do what I want with it. However Dumbledore (sp?) never confesses he was gay in the book. And should not effect anyone who is reading it. If you do not want him to be gay then he is not. At least in the book in which you paid 20 dollars for. Now maybe in the author’s mind he is. But once you put your book out there people have a right to interpet it their own way. They do not need anyones permission.

I have no problem with her saying he is gay. No one has to tell thier kids that he is, it is a work of fiction.

A parent has a right to educate their kids in a manner they agree with. Within limits of course. Some kids are ready for things at a different age. At least in America you have the right to move your kid into a school that reflects your views. To say that your giving them a bad education just because you do not agree with it is a narrow viewpoint.

My opinion only

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Susan is right. I love her “Foe Glass” metaphor. The Death Eaters among HP readership expose themselves!

Jo showed us, maybe unwillingly, just how much lots of people are not as tolerant as they think they are.

First: Hello!? Dumbledore is HER character. Entirely hers. And yes, it looks like he’s gay and still an admirable figure. Live with it, people who are disgusted by this news. I don’t share your feelings.

Whitney, CHE and others: You should rent “Kinsey” if you’re old enough, because there are things you obviously don’t understand in human sexuality.

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I think it is sad that people are undermining children’s intelligence. Many children already know about homosexuality and too many parents are sheltering their kids from reality. So yes, it is still a children’s book! I know when I have kids I am going to have them read HP and I will tell them about DD being gay. Their is no point in sheltering a child from something that is no big deal. If you claim your children don’t know about homosexuality just ask.. cause I bet they do.

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susan. yeah, that part sucks. it sucks that parents want to stick their kids under a rock for their life. but jo wanting to explain more about a character is HER CHOICE. its her book. its her character. we don’t own it. i commend Jo.

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Frankly, I’m rather shocked at all of this banter. For me it solely enhances the story and allows me to better understand the plot through Dumbledore’s eyes. I am a youth, and my life has not been torn apart by this news. I think that it is our duty in the world to learn as much as we can about different philosophies and lifestyles to understand where people are coming from and why they think the way they do, in order to be accepting and to keep ignorance at bay. Please pay attention to what I say; this is you future generation talking. People may have to learn to understand; who wants to go through life as an ignorant complainer? Do not get me wrong, I respect what everyone else thinks but am also expressing my opinion.

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I’d just like to remember one important distinction. To believe that homosexual actions are wrong is not equal to being a “bigoted gay-basher / gay-hater /etc.” (I’m not replying to anyone in specific here, BTW)

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oh so homosexuality is to harsh for kids, but violence, language, and other aspects of the books are ok?

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haha I Also figured that Elphias Doge had been harboring a wicked (likely unrequited) crush on Dumbledore. Posted by Minisha on October 23, 2007 @ 05:54 PM

Me too, I just reread that part. The way he talks about Dumbledore..who knows. =)

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I am so disappointed. I had hoped that JKR would not succumb to typical limelight political correctness that so many fall prey to. This revelation added nothing to the plot. It served no purpose other than to use her new found notoriety to make a political statement. If it was so important to DD’s character, why not mention it in the books? Because she knew it would harm sales. Why not just leave it up to the reader’s imagination and avoid such a polarizing subject? Why embroil these loveable characters in controversy? Why give close-minded bigots something else to complain about? It reminds me of an old adage, “Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.” Sighhhhh.

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I think it nearly does equal that. because that is the main reason why there is gay bashing… if that feeling was irradicated, there’d be no more bashing. :(

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I’ll be the third person to say that I got the strong impression Elphias had a thing for Dumbledore. My first thought when I read the phrase “our mutual attraction,” in reference to him and Dumbledore, was, What, am I about to find out Dumbledore was gay?! But then nothing much more conclusive was said, so I left the book as an agnostic on the issue.

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I agree bb. Many people on here have stated that very fact. But so many think that no matter what JR can do no wrong. That she is perfect in every way.

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I think Dumbledore put it best when he said that it’s our choices who make us who we really are. Were Dumbledore a real person, his homosexuality would not be his choice.

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It added such depth to the plot BB.

it was “love” again… (the main theme of the books?)

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WwW: Yes, as it obviously leads to hatred and bashing.

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lillink. that was a great point. thanks for writing it :)

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aw. poor elphias. he was dumbledores “sidekick” if i recall… i must find some fanfic regarding this…

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I wish she was kidding..

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No, i think you’ll find he was talking about Grindlewald…

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Grindlewald’s ideas “caught and inflamed dumbledore”...

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My school won tickets to the event today in toronto and the librarian told me I could go…..then the contest runners put a 15 year old age limit on the tickets we won. Ridiculous!

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Excuse me. DD is not Jo’s character, he belongs to us all. If you want him to be gay then let him be gay. If you don’t then let him be straight. Who cares. Its all up to you,not Jo

Listen to all of you… The PTA’s and the talking heads on the 24 hour news channels will be spewing the same crap that’s on this board for a month.

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threeghin: I read the seven books, and nothing suggested Dumbledore was “around little boys”. Never.

Go ahead. Let your imagination run wild. Imagining (because it all comes from YOUR assumptions) a criminal behavior from a character who happens to be homosexual, is slander. And yes, “gay-bashing”.

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threegihn. i’m not positive if you are serious or not. but just to be safe, i’m going to assume you are.

where did you get your information? i’m guessing nowhere, since the highest percentage of people molesting or sexually abusing children is STRAIGHT males. have you ever thought that gay males just want to… gasp teach?

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I know its no use arguing. but i want people to believe, to be convinced that Dumbledore is the same person he always was, and that his sexuality is a pure honest and human thing…

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Child molester?? How did we get there??

Well if that’s what you want him to be….thats pretty sick though. I guess all hetero men molest little girls…..

If you loved the books and don’t like a gay DD, then let him be straightas he was in your mind all these years. It’s your choice

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That just shows you how UGLY some people are. They prejudice against gay people so much that to them, gay = pedophile. Illogical and irrelevent, total hypocrite and just very very ugly believes. No matter how honorable person a gay person is, he will be under suspicious of (and always assume guilty) being predatory toward boys. Shame on the lot of you who made ‘how dare she have a great hero as gay” a big deal and accused Dumbledore like Rita Skeeter. You all are (you know who you are, hypocrites!) the ones who have an ugly mind and deprave soul, at best are like Uncle Vernon, at worst just liket he Malfoys and Pureblood maniac.

These angry fans really tainted my image of American Christians, I never knew there were so many zealot fundamentalists. I pity their children, to have suffer under such intolerant bigot parents full of hate and prejudice.

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Trick: As long as Jo continues to talk, write, sing, etc. about the universe SHE created, it stills hers.

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hmm. still hers yes.

but its ours for interpretation too. if i want to imagine that Harry and Draco are going at it in a broom closet, i will…

using that logic i can ignore the epilogue. i suppose its only fair to allow some people to believe in their het!Dumbledore.

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And I’m beginning to have a feeling that a lot of this tripe is coming from trolls elsewhere on the internet and is not all from Leaky Members.

In answer to the multitude of cries about not wanting to explain this to their children, let my children have childhoods, etc.

By the time kids are in elementary school they are getting sex education in order to help augment the education on sexuality the parents are SUPPOSED to be giving their children at home. Even the very narrow “values parenting” people recommend explaining sex to children at the age of 8, with preliminary “as needed” simplified discussions beginning as early as 3.

Between 8 and 12, before they reach puberty, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children know the names of sexual organs, what happens during puberty, the nature and purpose of menstruation, what sexual intercourse is and how girls become pregnant, how to prevent pregnancy, same sex relationships, masturbation, activities that spread sexually transmitted diseases, and your expectations and values.

By the time a kid is in 3rd grade they’re hearing sexually oriented conversations and have more than likely heard the words “gay” and/or “queer”. By the time they are in 5th or 6th grades they most assuredly have heard these terms as well as used them unless they are home schooled and locked in a cupboard under your stairs.

HP and the Sorceror’s Stone was recommended for children between the ages of 8 and 13, others are for ages 9 and up. Thus, if your child is 8 to 13 and you haven’t initiated these conversations you are being neglectful of your parenting duties. If you are handing these books to or reading them to a child younger than 8 to 13 it is YOU that are not “letting him/her be a child”. I mean truly, why would anyone read or give books that are about 11 to 17 year olds to children who are 6 or 7 or younger anyway? If you wish to blame someone get up, walk to the bathroom and look in the mirror.

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mandy. beautifully put. but question.. you didn’t zealot fundamentalists? are you talking in the HP community, or just in general? cause i know MANY extreme fundies in general, but I am surprised about them in the HP community. unless there are people on here that already hated HP and just come on here to fight?

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Oengus,

She wrote them for you. They can be whatever you want. She said that she always saw DD as gay, that does not mean that we have to. Especially if its going to cause a person to hate the books and keep your children from reading them. Let him be what evr you want. She did not specifically state in the book that he is gay.

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oops. mandy, i meant, you didn’t realize there were so many?

and “mom weasley” that was interesting. i didn’t know all of it, thanks for sharing!

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It is true that the view that homosexual actions are wrong can, in some situations, lead to “gay-bashing”, “gay-hatting”, etc. but it doesn’t necessarily happens this way... A well-informed Catholic, for example, would object to the practice of gay sex in much the same way that he would object tho the practice of sex before marriage. It does not mean that Catholics “hate” people who have sex before marriage, only that they think the specific act was wrong.

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They might be giants: I’m saying that if you try to pretend to your child that homosexuality does not exist that you’re being somewhat dishonest with your child, which you are. You have every right to be so, certainly, but you do not have a right to be outraged when the light of reality peeks through the comfortable shell you’ve placed your child in. By all means, enforce for your child the impression that there is no murder, no rape, no anything-that-you-disagree-with. But you’re a fool if you think the illusion is going to persist. Sooner or later your child is going to learn that the world does not always follow Mommy or Daddy’s comfortable views. Any parent who has a problem with that has little choice but to throw their child in a dungeon for the rest his life. The much preferred alternative is to calmly accept the fact that your children are going to learn uncomfortable truths, and to look at it, not as a curse, but as an opportunity to impart valuable (in your mind) lessons.

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Minisha: Yes, it’s fun to imagine things for possibilities that Jo did not think about.

But from the moment the author (Jo) states something, you’re not a honest reader if you change it because “you like it better this way”.

For example, I heard Film companies (Wraner?) wanted to set the story in the United States. Jo said a big “no-no”. Many fans kept asking “are you going to include an American character?” She declined. That’s her choice.

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“I’m at a loss why someone would reveal something shocking other than for gaining attention.”

@if, Why are so many people questioning JKR’s motivation??? She was responding to a question for goodness sakes!!!

Also, you should know that not everyone is SHOCKED by the news about Dumbledore. This is the 21st century, and honestly, I don’t understand why so many people are SHOCKED – even those who are upset by it.

Surely, you know that gay people exist throughout the world. You probably come into contact with at least one or two every day. Oh, what a SCARY thought that must be for some. Look out, Halloween is next week – a goblin may get one of you!

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Thank you CHE.

“i said it before and i’ll say it again, i am very dissapointed at Rowling, is not only that homosexuality is not natural and is not right. i think that Dumbledore was a role model for today’s kids, but now she declares that he is gay after selling her last book… it’s not right for the kids who use to think of him as a hero. now i am sure a lot of kids don’t know what to think. my nephews are confused and questioning us about homosexuality and i think it’s dangerous for them and any other kid in the world. and it is unfair that she decided to make the declaration after the last book.. if i had known that there was a gay charachter in a children’s book i would not have bought the book for my nephews and i would not have read it miself. i will not be buying any more books from Rowling. clearly she knew that many people were not going to support this. so she chose to do this after she sold millions of dollars and not before. that is coward, convenient and honestly a little dishonest.

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I just don’t understand why it was relevant to include such information. The child asked “Will Dumbledore ever find love?” Her answer could have simply been that due to the outcome of book 6 (as not to give anything away) there was no love in the future for Dumbledore. Her books have caused enough controversy as it is. I don’t see the need to create more. I agree that it ruins things for those who saw Dumbledore as a hero.

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This is all very sad. Heck the fact that this is in the media and newspapers makes it even sadder. In a good world, Jo would have said he was gay. People would have been shocked but said ‘ok’ and moved on.

Almost everybody has prejudices of some kind.

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Sorry Oengus I respect your opinion, but I just believe that all books and movies are open to the interpretation of the reader or viewer. Again Jo said that for her DD was gay. If she had said this in a back room somewhere and nobody heard it, would it change anyone’s perception of DD? No, because she left it to our interpretation in the book. She did not address it there. Anyway I know people disagree with that, but in the end that’s what we are left with….our interpretation.

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No, CRR, the question was DID Dumbledore ever find love, and her answer was yes he DID, he loved Grindelwald. I know that’s how the question was asked because I was there.

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CRR: “I agree that it ruins things for those who saw Dumbledore as a hero.”

Me: Right because gay people can’t be heroes. That’s what you’re saying, and it makes you-I shall not mince words here-a bigot. It would be like someone saying that they can no longer see Dumbledore as a hero because he’s descended from Native Americans. It’s pure, unadulterated bigotry, and frankly you should be embarrassed for even thinking it.

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“It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.” yeah.. my poor children might grow TOLERANT! How sickening!!

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Trick, I respect your opinion too. You have your “reading”, and we all have our own “reading”/”interpretation”. That was an interesting exchange (I really do think so).

But I like Jo’s choices: For example, the good guy has black hair, some bad guy turned ok was blond (Draco Malfoy). I think Voldie has chestnut hair, I have to check. In US movies, the bad guy often has darker hair than the good guy. Now, don’t change the haircolor in your imagination : we saw the movies; it is set in stone now ;-D

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Since the conversation has evolved a bit, allow me to add a few things.

First, people who disagree with the gay lifestyle are not bigots (at least not all of them) or… whatever ugly word you choose to insult them with. They simply believe differently than you and if tolerance is a benchmark, it is by definition a two-way street.

Secondly, Christians are not the only people of faith to find fault with homosexuality. Muslims are equally, if not more opposed to it. Honest families of Christian faith have children, raise them to their beliefs just as you would in whatever beliefs you hold. They are no different just because they, like you, do not choose to remain silent on an issue they hold to be important.

Finally, the story would have survived to be a classic in the sense so many have in the past. But social norms change. Observe how Mark Twain is banned in many places (including some countries that don’t readily practice Christianity). It may be that someday, this will seem silly but for right now, you either respect those who disagree with you are YOU are the intolerant ones.

I truly appreciate the chance to speak here. I have enjoyed the Potter series but do not number myself one of the guardians. I merely think of them as books, talent and imaginative. In that space, homosexuality is not a requirement… just a vision that goes beyond what we have when we close the cover.

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Anon I agree. But that was never the point saying that homosexuality did not exist. It seemed as if you were saying that a parent should let them read childrens books containing homosexuality because they are going to find out about it anyway or that by not doing so is a disservice to a child. That is just not so. A parent has a right to teach thier children about homosexuality when they feal the child is ready. It is not up to JR to decide that for the parent. I FIND NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. Having said that some people do. And teaching thier child that might not be correct in our minds, they DO have that right. Just as you have a right to raise your child to whichever religion you like. Even if some do not agree. Now there is boundries. I would never want a child taught satanism. but. lol

If one wanted to be very technical. We could say that JR is wrong in him being gay. He is a fictional character. As such he only exist in the boundries that are presented. In this case a book. Now it may have been hinted at, but it is never said outright in the book. And even the hints can be questioned as many on the board have. If it is never written in the book that he is homosexual, then he really is not. JR can say anything she wants and you can choose to have the books follow that path or not. However it is fiction and does not really exist outside the book.

Just my opinion.

On your point also that is her book. An author does have responcibilities. If I tell my agent that I am writing a horror novella and they go and sell it as such I cannot turn in a sci-fi epic. The first few books she did market as childrens books. And I think anyone reading them can tell that is the way it was intended. However she also stated that the last few books were intended for adults. However I think that the marketing people, not her necissarly (sp?), sold it as such.

If I mis