J.K. Rowling on Dumbledore Revelation: “He is My Character” (Updated with Video)

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Oct 23, 2007

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At a press conference this morning in Toronto, author J.K. Rowling was asked repeatedly about the recent revelations regarding the background information on Dumbledore and the fact that she said she felt this character was gay. Saying “I’m not kidding,” about this statement Jo made last Friday in New York, the author went on to note “I know that it was a positive thing that I said it for at least one person because one man ‘came out’ at Carnegie Hall.”

The Star (DH plot spoiler at link!) continues on to note J.K. Rowling emphasized the information was revealed because she was asked a direct question about it, and said “she didn’t feel the need to be explicit about Dumbledore’s sexual preferences because she wanted to focus on character development.

“If you were an author then you would understand that when you write the ending it comes at the end,” she said.”

Update: The entire video press conference with Jo is now online, here. Thanks Mahri!)

Jo continued on to say:

The plot is what it is,” said Rowling. “(Dumbledore) did have, as I say, this rather tragic infatuation but that was a key part of the ending of the story so there it is. Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

Rowling said Tuesday she found it “freeing” to out Dumbledore, adding that the passages about him will mean different things to different readers.

“I think a child will see a friendship and I think a sensitive adult may well understand that it was an infatuation,” she said.

UPDATE: Reuters has more now from JKR, who elaborated on her decision to reveal the information about Dumbledore stating:”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

Jo also said again “she might work on a Potter encyclopedia for charity, but only after a long break.”It’s like the break-up of a marriage. It’s a good idea not to see each other for a while, then maybe you can be good friends afterwards,” she said.”

Update 3: Photos of Jo from the press conference in Toronto, Ontario Canada are now up in our galleries, here.





898 Responses to J.K. Rowling on Dumbledore Revelation: “He is My Character” (Updated with Video)

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BRAVO!!! WTG JO! That is exactly what I have thought all along, it is the sum total of DD’s personality that is important, not this one thing. Fabulous!!

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Finally, its nice to hear some clarification from Jo. This whole thing has gotten out of hand. Thanks Jo, you’re the best.

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Poor Jo, being quizzed over this issue. She almost sounds surprised it is such a big issue. But it also sounds like she is pleased in general that this is now out in the open, even if it is secondary to Dumbledore’s main character development.

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Thank you Jo! Relax, have a cup of hot cocoa and just let the idjits twist in the wind. They’ll blow themselves out and you have made the world a better place.

(Fools will not believe anything that contradicts their narrow minded assessments and they’ll be out there searching for another reason to whine and twitch now that they can’t use this as an excuse.)

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Damn right she wasn’t kidding! This is such an important part of Dumbledore and only reinforces his place as my fav character.

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So does this mean Grindelwald didn’t feel the same? Was he even aware of how DD felt? I’m curious from a story perspective. If they had a big break up, or if DD just finally took his rose colored glasses off and realized what he was all about.

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I’m disgusted by the news. I’ve lost all respect for Dumbledore.

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I think Grindelwald probably didn’t return the infatuation. Dumbledore probably just had to realize he was being “blinded by love”.

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I agree with “skh”. Jo is THE BEST!

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Jo will be able to exhale when she gets back home. No one here is going to send her hate mail or death threats for outing one of her characters. And the fact that she has reinforced what she said is great. No backtracking to save face.

These are HER thoughts on HER characters. We may well be free to interpret the books in our own unique way but I trust her judgement on the books more than mine, afterall, she wrote the bleedin’ things.

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Nice way to bolster profits. Maybe JO can donate new proceeds to homosexual efforts worldwide.

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Did we ever find out who killed DD sister for sure?

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i said it before and i’ll say it again, i am very dissapointed at Rowling, is not only that homosexuality is not natural and is not right. i think that Dumbledore was a role model for today’s kids, but now she declares that he is gay after selling her last book… it’s not right for the kids who use to think of him as a hero. now i am sure a lot of kids don’t know what to think. my nephews are confused and questioning us about homosexuality and i think it’s dangerous for them and any other kid in the world. and it is unfair that she decided to make the declaration after the last book.. if i had known that there was a gay charachter in a children’s book i would not have bought the book for my nephews and i would not have read it miself. i will not be buying any more books from Rowling. clearly she knew that many people were not going to support this. so she chose to do this after she sold millions of dollars and not before. that is coward, convenient and honestly a little dishonest.

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“Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

She didn’t even put it in book 7. Why not if it was a key part of the story. I’m sorry but she was too coward to do it. And of course there is the revenues to consider.

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Well I guess I was wrong…

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Jo created a wonderful yet tragic hero, that everyone can look up to and learn from. He is a beautifully written and very human character. Thanks Jo.

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I think that all the people who are commenting that they would not have read the book if they knew Dumbledore was gay are being stupid. I think that not knowing about it was a great thing. It allowed everyone to see him for the man he was, not for who he liked. It was a good way of showing that it is not someone’s sexuality that matters. If his being gay makes you like the character any less, that is dumb. I am proud that Jo didn’t put it in the books because it just goes to show how little sexuality should really matter.

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That is a contradictory thing to say. Either it’s key to the books or it’s not. If it was key why wasn’t it in the books? If it’s not key, why is she calling it that?

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I feel for JKR. And I feel for us. I wanted more details about what happened next! Think of the tidbits we could have gleaned if people were less obsessed with this issue. I find it fascinating because it adds more to Dumbledore’s backstory. But I really don’t think it is all that important. Oh what I would give to look at some of JKR’s notes on her characters!

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hahahahaaaa! Oh man, this news post title made me laugh. I guess some people were grasping at straws.

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It doesn’t matter if they are dumb or not. The fact is that this revelation will cause parents to pull the books from their children. The thing that i respected Jo for the most was getting kids to read. This really is a big deal, because it ruins it for so many children. Yes it is narrow minded, but that’s the way it is. There is no need to tackle the gay issue in a childrens book. The world is not ready for that. If she wants to tackle gay issues, she should do it in another series.

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If it doesn’t matter what your sexuality is then why did she announce that he was gay? It doesn’t matter right? WRONG! It does matter, it’s not right and it’s not natural. She is a coward for waiting till after all the books were sold and making her millions, she must have known she’d lose most of her fans if she’d said something from the beginning about dumbledore being gay. If it didn’t matter then why say anything at all? Because YOU do know it matters.

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How dare you say things like that about gay people CHE.

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saying that being gay is wrong because it isn’t natural is the same thing as saying pitching a baseball is wrong because it isn’t natural (it isn’t… your arm wasn’t made to be throwing 100 mph every pitch).

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Whitney, you’re comments are sickening. Do you think people choose to be gay? I certainly didnt. Stop posting your intolerant hate messages.

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People are not born gay. Ever notice they can’t reproduce? That should give you a clue.

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I AM GAY AND I NEVER CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE IT. How dare you speak of things you couldn’t possibly ever understand.

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By the way, I don’t hate gays I just hate them shoving their lifestyles down my throat.

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She said it because she was ASKED. She said it in a really matter of fact way. She didn’t want to make a big deal about it, but she also didn’t want to lie about it. So, rather than answer in a shady way, she told the truth. She didn’t try to “tackle” it as someone said before. When you are writing, your characters tend to invent themselves. She wasn’t trying to “make a statement.” She was just trying to write a story. It should not be the bid deal people are making it into.

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I’m sorry about that.

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Whitney, if you hate them shoving it down your throat, stop shoving your heterosexuality down theirs’

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Im surprised shes even going to do another HP book period after how you so-called fans have treated her. Its a shame how we live in the same world with you ignorant bigots.

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Whitney, your’re the one who has come in here shoving your i’ll informed opinions down peoples throats.

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These comments truly crack me up :D Did you really think that all these hundreds of characters were heterosexual? In what world were you living in again?

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I’m not the one who parades down streets and forces school to make little children learn about my lifestyle. Who’s the one shoving crap down peoples throat?

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It is unnatural to write a book where all of the characters are white, or black, or straight, or gay. Real life includes all of these features and a book that deals in our reality must include as many races, colors, and sexual orientations as possible. One cannot assume that a person is straight or gay because of the necessity to fit one’s own personal tolerance sphere. People are gay and straight all around us, and its our job to accept them all.

The next time someone feels the need to spout their intolerance, he or she should: a) Learn how to type. Ignoring punctuation, correct spelling and grammar makes you look like you are 3 years old. No one will take you seriously. b) State your claim from a logical point of view. Don’t say that it’s wrong because “I think so”, state its wrong for real reasons. Otherwise, it makes you look uneducated, intolerant and unwise.

This is only aimed at a few people here, and you know who you are.

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Well said kos. Whitney should just stop posting because novody can take her seriously.

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whitney ur comments are way out of hand jo is not a coward DD sexulity does not matter that much it just helps us relize how hard it was for him to finally go after gryindiwauld thats why it wasnt in the books why would jo need to keep fans she already has alot and she doesnt need the money plus one of the most important messages in these books is to accept people for who they are which apperantly u cant do so why were u evan reading them?

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I’ve said my thoughts on this topic in the comments before, and I just want reiterate that I think that this does not change Dumbledore’s characterization that much for me…it just brings more understanding and light to his character. As for people who are commenting about her “key part” response, I think she was talking more about the AD/GG relationship, and less about just Dumbledore being gay.

I understand that some find this against their beliefs, but why should that change what Dumbledore means (or meant) to you? This series, above all, is about love, something supported in the Bible and by religions across the spectrum. Don’t forget that.

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No we don’t need to teach others about our heterosexuality because it is just assumed that it is right, that is even worse. It is shoved down our throat everyday. How many books did you read when you were a little kid where a prince saved another prince and they lived happily ever after? That’s what I thought.

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How can people actually think she wants to bolster her sales even more than they already are? She said it herself, it was an answer to a direct question. The only way to get out of the hook would have been by lying. There’s absolutely no reason whatsoever for her to hide information anymore since the last book has already been written.

It’s a key part to the story because it explains in a new light Dumbledore’s actions but it wasn’t necessary to explain it in detail, since his sexuality was never even remotely important to the main plot and would have only served to distract from the really important issues in the book. She left the whole subject ambiguos enough for each reader to draw their own conclusions.

I can understand some parents being bummed about it, since many of them don’t like to talk about sexuality, specially homosexuality, with their kids and the books couldn’t shake their kiddy aura no matter how much darker they got as they progressed.

I don’t see this information increasing her sales, in fact, it could decrease them on some conservative parts of the world where the book hasn’t even been translated yet. Then again, they end up not buying one book while people who haven’t read the books and are now intrigued, could end up buying all seven.

Has anyone asked Jo if Dumbledore was the only gay character? There could be another one and we wouldn’t know about it because no one has asked her directly.

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Well said, JKR! She’s great!!

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I can accept people for who they are, I don’t care if you gay or not but why do you have to make such a huge deal out of it? Why do you have to parade down streets and make schools teach little children about your lifestyles? I don’t understand why you do it.

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oops sorry kos i probly should have paid attention to grammer on my comment but i cant spell and i never really rememember punctuation so people please take my comment seriously =)

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AM, that is prob one of the more profound posts i’ve read here. Thank you, that’s what it feels like sometimes.

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I know why she’s done this. There is a deep reason why. Remember she has always said that she would love it if her books were banned, and when the uproar of the misinformed christians in the USA started up, she wasvery excited. She wrote in too, in Hermione’s voice that if Umbridge could do anything good, it was banning the Quibbler, to ensure everyone had read it. She is trying her best to get her books banned for the same reason. Just think of all the reasons, subtle or otherwise she would want this.

Some of my best friends are gay, and I love them to bits. I used to have great respect for Rowling.

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Whitney, don’t even pretend to be tolerant of gay people. Your posts are say the exact opposite.

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There are parades and other events to promote the awareness of gay rights, because, like it or not, we don’t live in a free country. Until we get our rights that we deserve just as much as every other American, we won’t stop fighting. If the gay community just sat back and didn’t care, I can guarantee you life wouldn’t be as pretty (at least with our current president). All men are created equal? That is such a joke in this country it’s not even funny.

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Whatever, this has just made me love JKR even more.

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Lol.

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I love you all. Yes, even you.

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Okay, let’s try this again. This week, I have been very disillusioned and disapointed, not at the outing of Dumbledore, or Rowling, but at my fellow members of the fan base, I’m embarassed by the intolerance. Consdering that the books are about overcoming Prejudice and having tolerance, some fans really failed the test this week, for shame.

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Matt, I totally agree. Some people are just trying to stir things up.

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I’ve got better things to do than argue with you.

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And for those of us who are not intolerant, just ignore those who are posting mean and hateful comments. First of all, they’re just trolls, they’re not worth our time on these boards. Second, know that you are the better person for standing up against hate and prejudice.

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You should know by now that some of the people bashing gays are just plain trolling and loving the reaction.

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Wow, poor Jo, she sounds exasperated. If someone doesn’t like the fact that Jo said Dumbledore is gay, they can just ignore her and interpret the books how they want. I thought it was pretty obvious after reading DH, but aparently this is a big surprise to a lot of people. My reaction to her statement was simple pleasure at having my observation confirmed.

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Matt and woot, people’s support like yours is what the fandom should be about. Not spreading hate.

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I don’t really see what the big deal is. So Dumbledore is gay, that doesn’t change my opinion of the charachter. Did that change the fact that he was the only Wizard Voldemort feared? Nope. Did it change that he was one of the greatest wizards? Um, no again.

Just think if she had revealed it in book 1. How would that have changed the dynamic of the books? Why did Dumbledore trust Snape so much? Could it be they were having a relationship? Can you imagine the Dumbledore/Snape shippers? It added nothing to the story so she didn’t include it. Now it’s like Neville marrying Hannah Abbott an interesting tidbit about a favorite charachter.

The only thing that has changed is that some intolerant people now have something to complain about.

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“Soldior, you must be the most stupid person in the history of the world. Gay people are not child molestors or paedophiles. SHUT UP. Posted by Irishpotterfan on October 23, 2007 @ 12:31 PM”

Note the word “like” which means similar to but not exactly. Yes i used like and i said it is like incest with consent or bestiality with consent… homosexuality is just one of the three.

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I agree. It is things like this that show who the real fans are.Go Jo!!

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Just what many of us expected. All the proponents for JK’s comments are brandishing their sword of justice and gratitude while those that are opposed to homosexuality in general and the main character of a children’s book specifically are branded as bigots, hate-mongers, you name it. The bottom line is the life style is not recognized as legitimate, still, in the eyes of many and that belief is usually based on two things: one, one’s own perception/belief of morality and two, it goes against all that is nature . . . it flys in the face that is all Darwinian. Does it mean that I dislike gay people? No . . . I have some friends that are. Nevertheless, it doesn’t mean that I accept their choice in this respect.

So what is my point? We have a right to disagree with JK on her comments and the we have the right to say that she is wrong in “making” Dumbledore gay just to push some personal political agenda or belief system. I do not attack you for supporting her; do not attack me or others for saying she is wrong . . .

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I think it is GREAT that Rowling made Dumbledore Gay, and I knew this would unleash a firestorm among the disgusting homophobes in the world. I can kind of see that in Dumbledore, and it is just fine with me. And FYI, being gay is NOT unnatural, harmful or bad in any way, it is just another way for someone to be, it occurs in nature, and if millions of people are, then it is a normal alternative. I have supported gay rights, marched in parades with them, although I am not gay myself. Good for her, and I support her and Dumbledore 100%.

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Wow. I have never posted before, but now feel compelled. I understand that everyone will have a strong reaction to the news (I know I did), but the outpouring of hate in the previous posts is quite disturbing. Especially the most recent comments by soldior. Learn some tolerance.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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I think it is GREAT that Rowling made Dumbledore Gay, and I knew this would unleash a firestorm among the disgusting homophobes in the world. I can kind of see that in Dumbledore, and it is just fine with me. And FYI, being gay is NOT unnatural, harmful or bad in any way, it is just another way for someone to be, it occurs in nature, and if millions of people are, then it is a normal alternative. I have supported gay rights, marched in parades with them, although I am not gay myself. Good for her, and I support her and Dumbledore 100%.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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I’m tired of being the one under attack.

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This issue makes me angry. Never mind the fact as to whether or not being gay is wrong or not. Come on guys these stories are for kids, do we really want to start teaching our children this stuff. Even if you do it should be up to the parents to teach thier children about issues such as this, it is not a strangers place to start a childs questions with such an issue. I tell you what if it was my child that heard this issue for the first time from a stranger I would be mad. Thank you for allowing me to comment

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We need some moderators in here now! There are too many mountain trolls lurking in here (wishing I had a big club about now to knock them over the head)

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You are so brave, JKR. I knew you would never let such idiotic hysteria change what you said or let it even ruffle you.

You know what it only makes the character and plot deeper and better. You’re a great writer with great ideas and perceptions of humanity and everybody should see that!

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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“Okay, let’s try this again. This week, I have been very disillusioned and disapointed, not at the outing of Dumbledore, or Rowling, but at my fellow members of the fan base, I’m embarassed by the intolerance. Consdering that the books are about overcoming Prejudice and having tolerance, some fans really failed the test this week, for shame.”

Get over the it its real life issue here millions of children are being exploited by this JGAY Rolling I read the books watched the movie loved it hate her now hate the books hate the movie even though i don’t like to hate…

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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“I think a child will see a friendship and I think a sensitive adult may well understand that it was an infatuation,”

I think this quote is correct. Actually, I am 35 and only saw it as a friendship. This outing does not bother me at all. It does not change my image of him at all. What bothered me more about Dumbledore was how he was setting Harry up to die but in the end I was ok with that too.

It is a story and these are not real people they are JKR’s imagination. If you love reading you come across every type of character in many different setting. Sometimes there character is well know and the writer lets all the details of that character out in the story but there are many stories where you are left never knowing the “real” character or are left to make up your own mind on them. I think JKR has done a great job of showing that the wizarding world is not made up of only one type of person but is full of people from all walks of life just like in the real world.

The Potter series shows how intolerant some people are towards people who are not like them (like the pure blood vs muggle born story). What is funny or maybe sad is that we as potter fans say we don’t like Draco going on about muggle borns and such but on this board there have been so many comments that would be right up Draco’s ally.

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My, such a fuss on this. My first reaction has been “hun”?? i had never seen dumbledore like this. And never though the jkr would bring on the subject.

Yeah, gay is not normality, it’s not the way nature made us. So that ? That don’t make it wrong. Since when is not being normal a crime ? Na, gays people are just humans, no worse or better than the heteros.

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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE OUTED? AND WHY DOES IT REALLY MATTER IF HE IS GAY OR NOT? IS SHE GOING TO RIGHT ANOTHER BOOK ABOUT DD? OTHERWISE I DONT REALLY SEE THE POINT IN WHY THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL? ALSO, IS HE GAY IN REAL LIFE OR JUST HIS CHARACTER?

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While I’m very pleased that Ms. Rowling has elected to expound on this aspect of her character, I’d note that Mercedes Lackey’s Valdemar series (specifically, Magic’s Pawn, Magic’s Promise, and Magic’s Price) had an openly gay (shay’a’chern, as she dubbed gay folk) character who was the most powerful wizard on the planet, and saved the day (at great cost to himself.) These outstanding tales came out decades ahead of Harry Potter, so it’s not quite a unique notion. Maybe that means a prequel isn’t that far out of the question. If she can repeat Mercedes Lackey, why not Lucas’ prequels, too?

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Okay, okay. Let’s take a breath.

At some point the hoopla needs to die down. As much as I love the books and characters of HP, and as crazy as a fan I am … we do need to remember that we ARE talking about an imaginary person, here. This is a debate about a man made up in her IMAGINATION! If someone is so ridiculously upset by DD’s sexual preference … guess what? they don’t have to imagine it. They can focus on his love of socks.

Now onto a more exciting revelation … who is the Latino Hogwarts student? I mean, black, white, Asian, East Indian … can the Hispanics get a little love?

That’s what I’m going as for Halloween: Maria Juanita, the Latina Hogwarts Student. Viva la Gryffindor!

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Apalling -truly appalling. The financial motivation behind her cowardly decision to only out Dumbledore AFTER publication of all 7 books is obvious. Having said that, Dumbledore is one fo fiction’s most complex, devious, self-obessed, cruel and cowardly characters. As he himself said -His brother and indeed Harry are far, far finer people.

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Why is it that we can’t simply not agree with JKR’s choice to make such an important character gay? Why does that make us “Haters” or “Intolerant” or “Bigots”?

Just because we find homosexuality a sickening thought does not mean that we hate gay people.

And those who insist that saying Dumbledore is gay is the same as saying he is straight – stop kidding yourselves. By the very definition of the words straight is normal and natural, gay is not. Normal because the vast majority of the population say it is. Natural because that is the way nature intended the species to reproduce.

I don’t hate gay people. I don’t treat them any differently when I run into them. I don’t speak ill of them. I do not wish them violence or unhappiness.

I simply do not agree with their sexuality. Not because of religion, not because of “intolerence”, and certainly not because I hate. It’s just because it is disgusting to think about.

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I feel like some of the people in this discussion have not even read the books. They are only here to spout their intolerant views. Real Harry Potter fans would never act like this and I think JKR with this press-conference really suggested that.

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Not in a full moon!

I wont buy this ! Gays are wrong FREEDOM OF SPEECH !!

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Dear Roger,

I am left-handed and have hazel eyes.

So, technically, I am a mutant.

So am I not normal and terribly sickening to your psyche?

Thank you, Melissa

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@Whitney: JKR isn’t the one making the big deal out of it. IT’s stupid people who are. JKR answered a question at an event that’s all she did. As a matter of fact she answered several questions. The one about Arthur Weasley and MOlly Weasley and Bellatrix, the one about Snape’s portrait ALL had longer answers than the one about Dumbledore, but that’s the one people are all in an uproar about because they have a problem with it for some reason?! A problem I still can’t understand. I mean a character is Gay, so What? There are like over 100 characters mentioned in her books, you can’t have expected them all to be the same. But that’s what it is isn’t, People want all the characters in the books to be white and heterosexual or otherwise they’re going to have a problem.

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Sure everyone that doesn’t agree is ignorant doesn’t know what he/she is talking about etc… how typical…

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Whitney, Che and others…I feel very sad that you choose to be so negative. As far as “forcing sexual preference down anyones throat”, I don’t think this is the place for this conversation….Ms Rowling did a very good and noble thing. As far as the Tolerance part of her stories goes..how sad that we, here in the 21st Century, still have this problem. Children will not know that there is any problem, if the adults (and we are, aren’t we?) don’t make an issue of it. Live and let live….........

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I have been a huge fan of these books. I have read them all and seen all the movies. I am very unhappy that she made a comment about Dumbledore being gay. Forget the issue as to whether or not being gay is wrong or right. It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.

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Who’s to say being gay is not natural? Did God come down from the skies and give you a revelation? I didn’t think so :p besides, if it weren’t “natural” it wouldn’t be in “nature” in the first place.

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@Melissa: Some people in this discussion were obviously never REAL fans in the first place because they’re acting like idiots over something so small. I mean this is a big revelation and it’s makes Dumbledore’s character alot more complex. But seriously, all JKR did was give us more backstory on one of the characters. But people are all upset because the backstory involved something, that for some reason that i still can’t understand, is UNACCEPTED??!!!!

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I have been a huge fan of these books. I have read them all and seen all the movies. I am very unhappy that she made a comment about Dumbledore being gay. Forget the issue as to whether or not being gay is wrong or right. It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.

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There is all this talk about how it will affect the children. Why do they need to know about these comments? The thought that he was gay never even crossed my mind when I read it, and when my son is old enough to read it, I will not point it out to him (unless he comes up with it, then we will discuss it!) Jo even says that a child would see friendship, and I think that is all that is necessary.

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Regarding my previous post. This is embarassing, amazing for a troll to argue “Get over it”. Mind you, a little context, I’ve been a fan of the books since 2000. I contributed a little to the HP Lexicon and was a moderator for the HP Lexicon Forum for a good spell. Now, I don’t want to be a party with some of these alleged ‘fans’, it’s really a disgrace, best of luck though. Some people really need to look at themselves.

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Some people on these chats seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing. They have absolutely nothing productive to say. I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve gotten got up in these arguments during the past couple days. If you have only hurtful and hateful things to say, find another outlet for your anger. Don’t go insulting JKR or any of her fans.

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It upsets me to think that Homosexuals have become so public in the western hemisphere … tolerance should go two ways you should tolerate our sensitivity’s and stay quiet or we will have a indisputable right to talk back and stop you as you try to stop us.

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sorry I what I meant to say was, I’m embarrassed to admit I’ve gotten caught up in these arguments during the past couple days.

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Regarding gay not being Normal or the way nature made us: Nonsense. It’s a solidly established fact that there are gay and lesbian animals in all of nature. While were on the subject, the ability to procreate (or not) is no measure of the validity of the relationships. If it is, then un-marry those people who spent years together but are barren, have no children. What this is REALLY all about is people trying to control others, tell others what is Right or Wrong, what they “should” do. So long as no one is being harmed (and if they are, that’s a separate issue) someone’s orientation is none of anyone else’s business. In the real world, there are many very successful, happy, sane, normal people who just happen to be hardwired to love those of the same gender. Did you enjoy Gandalf, from Lord of the Rings? The ACTOR is openly gay, in a committed relationship. No one would ever accuse Gandalf of being a wimp, a stooge or anything else untoward.

Stick to your bedroom, keep you noses out of everyone else’s bedrooms, and be glad when people can find love in the world.

Peace & Creation,

JT

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I’ll have to side with Whitney on most of these issues. Why was it important to have a plant in the audience to ask that question in order to give a prepared answer? Why is it so important to discuss sexual preferences at age eight or nine (probably a decent stab at the average age of the readers).

(Kos, please notice I can utilize, emphasize, and, when I’m very fortunate, tantalize without those darn dangling participles and phrases that so often are quite a nuisance to good literature. My punctuation ain’t real wonky, either).

But why is it so important? Do normal people begin indoctrinating their children at age three as to be being heterosexual? Then why do homosexuals? And it was mentioned about shoving their beliefs down one’s throat. Mm. A bit weak on the evidence side unless you’re reaching to ads shown every day where a bride and groom are displaying a tux and gown for a business, etc.

But with that type of ad, was it the sole purpose to sell heterosexuality to an unsuspecting public? Were there subliminal messages hidden inside the gal’s train or the guy’s pocket hankie?

Why do we have to tell our children they can be homosexual? If this was a natural-born condition, wouldn’t they know?

And the bigotry. I’m sure many times there have been ugly displays of bigotry. You won’t find it from me although I do not condone this type of activity (alternate “lifestyle”?). But I will have to point out that most of the rantings I’ve seen do not come from the individuals who have taken a bit more stringent stance on the matter. Biblical stance, I dare say?

But, alas, the cat is in the cauldron and the intended message to promote homosexuality, or, as one put it, “shoving your i’ll (sic) informed opinions down peoples (sic) throats” has been accomplished.

I was perusing the local book shop recently, considering for my five-year-old son the complete set of books in hardback. It’s the one that comes with the locking box for storage? I thought he might enjoy them when he’s a bit older.

Fortunately, I heard this on the news before I put more money into the support of a lifestyle of which I do not condone.

We’re called bigots when we don’t agree with this militant group. But I’ll make a deal with them. I’ll wear one shoe, they wear the other.

Richard South Carolina

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ALL SHE WAS DOING WAS ANSWERING A SIMPLE QUESTION, I DONT THINK THIS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH SELLING MORE, I THINK EVERYONE ALREADY HAS THE BOOK ANYWAYS. OR ANYONE THAT WILL HAVE EVEN HEARD THIS NEWS! ALTHOUGH I DO NOT THINK ITS RIGHT FOR A CHILDRENS BOOK, MANY CHILDREN DONT EVEN FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT GAY IS, BUT THEN AGAIN THE ONES WHO DONT PROBABLY DONT WATCH THE NEWS ( OR READ THE NEWS) SO THEREFORE THEY DONT EVEN KNOW AND THEY JUST LOVE DD THE SAME!

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@Rachel: She’s not teaching anyone anything freakin’ thing. WHY are some of you people so freakin’ simple minded??? She said that when she was writing the character of Dumbledore that SHE pictured him as GAY and that HELPED her developed his character. THAT’s all she said. It’s not like she’s saying that everyone has to be accepting of homosexuals just because Dumbledore’s Gay. Because clearly in this WORLD that we live in today, EVERYONE can’t be accepted if THEY ARE DIFFERENT!!!

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Why don’t we just all agree that we were surprised and have differing opinions? I like debate, but I think people are taking it too far. Especially the type of trolls that ruined DH for me.

We all love(d) Dumbledore, you can accept him or not. You can choose to read the books to your kids or not. You can choose to read the books yourself or not. We beat the issue like a dead hippogriff. Dumbledore’s here, he’s queer, accept it or not. Jo did it, it happened, let’s say our piece and end it. You choose to be a fan, if you don’t want to anymore, than that’s your loss.

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“There is no need to tackle the gay issue in a children’s book. The world is not ready for that. If she wants to tackle gay issues, she should do it in another series.”

@Trick, I wasn’t aware that JKR did “tackle gay issues” in the books. There is no mention of homosexuality anywhere in HP that I can recall.

JKR certainly did deal with intolerance…something you may want to give some thought to.

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Might have known that bleedin’ Quidditch question would come up again! :)

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@Richard: Are you age 8 or 9? Is anyone in here 8 or 9 years old right now??? EXACTLY!! Most kids that age don’t even know what the word GAY means. So they probably don’t even care, it hasn’t changed a thing for them. I’m 20 years old and the only thing it’s changed for me is it’s made me like Dumbledore more! But I honestly wouldn’t care if she had said Dumbledore was a serial killer, I would still love the books just as much as I do now. Because they’re awesome!

Celia Alabama!

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How can people let her get away with this she destroyed Harry Potter…....... >:

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Okay, first I get tired of comments that say bla bla bla BUT bla bla bla. For example (not my words or feelings just an example): “I don’t hate gays, BUT their life style is disgusting” In the words of Doctor Phil, when you say BUT in the middle of a sentence you are saying forget what I just said now I’m really going to tell you how I feel. All right enough of that now…just a pet peeve of mine.

Secondly, choose to agree or disagree with Jo, but the bottom line is these are her characters, her story. This is how she pictured Dumbledore, just as she pictured Snape as a hidden nice guy who was still somewhat of a slimy git when it came to Harry. After the book came out she expounded on her feelings about Snape and his character, and not everyone agrees with her on this either. Alas does it matter? Not really, I personally think that Jo’s ideas are dead on because these are her characters she’s been with them longer than any of us and therefore knows them the best. However, if you don’t agree then don’t see them in that way. To me it’s as simple as that.

I am very glad to hear from Jo on this issue, and I agree that there was no reason to put much if anything about DD’s sexuality in the books. We didn’t really learn anything about Grindewald (other than what was on the chocolate frog cards) until the DH, so why would she have put anything in it earlier since he was the wizard DD was infatuated with. As to any mentions in DH well it really just depends on how you read it. When I read DD’s letter to Grindewald in DH for the first time I could feel the emotions that were radiating from the words. I had an inkling there was something more there, others may not have seen it nor ever see it that way. It just really depends on your interpretation doesn’t it. She had no need to put it in explicitly because in a sense she was allowing us to make what we would out of it. As she said, some will see it only as a friendship, others as an infatuation, it all depends on your perspective.

Why bring it up now…because she was asked a DIRECT question and answered it honestly. Truly it’s as simple as that. It doesn’t bother me one iota that DD is gay or had a love for Grindewald, to me that adds to his characterization, shows him as an even more loving person who was also blinded by that love.

Thanks again Jo.

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Superaurorgirl, I agree. I’m tired of arguing with these idiots. They can believe whatever. I myself, just can’t wait until movie 6 comes out. That’s going to be a long wait, but after seeing all of those pictures of Slughorn’s house and of that village. I just can’t wait!!! I’m sooo excited!!!

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Just please stop saying this woman is brave. There is nothing brave about the way she handle this whole gay issue. She didn’t even see it fit to include it in the last book, where she suppostly thought it was key. And those who argue she is already rich. She doesn’t need more money. Give me a break. Since when did having money stopped you from wanting more. This is the woman that sued a poor indian organization for building a fake hogwarts for their nonprofit religous ceremony. That is when I’m view on her went down like 50%. In the sued, she was asking for money. Not just demanding they stop.

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FAVORITE CHARACTERS:

1. Hermione 2. Harry 3. DUMBLEDORE!!

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I’d hoped I was done commenting on this. One last facet:

Regarding the effect on children, the only effect it will have on them is when narrominded bigots choose to shelter their kids from this, one aspect of true reality. Do you worry about explaining the relationship of Harry’s parental units? Are you concerned with all the heterosexual references on TV? OMG, how will I explain to Little Johnny why Mr. and Mrs. Cleaver are in the same bed together!? How do you plan to explain your OWN relations to the kids? The clear answer is that you don’t. They take it in, along with everything else in the world. They see it as just as standard/real as strawberry, chocolate, carmel and vanilla all being flavors of ice cream. They’re still only going to like what they like. Knowing that gay people exist doesn’t make them gay, any more than knowing straight people exist made gay people straight, even though most of the visual role models were hetero.

I had a BF, he lived with his best friend from HS, and his godson. The child was raised that people love each other. Some love boys, some love girls, and it’s all just people loving other people. He didn’t blink at us being affectionate towards each other. Tony and I holding hands was no different than his mom and her husband doing the same thing. Even when he barged into the bedroom one day and saw us making out, his “what are you guys doin’?” wasn’t in reference to the kiss. He wanted to know if we’d come out and play with him. The kiss never needed explained. Kids tend to take things in stride.

I find that people who are homophobic will use just about any excuse to justify their unreasonable hatred. Some call upon the (VERY few) references in the Bible to justify their prejudice (while ignoring all the OTHER sins that they commit regularly, including being unloving and intolerant.) Some try to use Nature (and switch to another arguement when that one falls short of fact,) and some try to suggest that children will be harmed. Fact is, gay men and lesbians have been raising children for decades now – very well adjusted HETERO children who love their parents very much. When will you homophobes give it up? Why is it so terribly hard for you to grasp that there is no harm, and just accept people, be glad that they love?

JT

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Japanese press report that Jo told that Grindelwald turned down Dumbledore, after he had shared a bed with the young DD three times. Therefore, there is a fierce bashing on Jo and the whole Harry Potter series. It’s crazy.

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JKR, YOU’RE AWESOME!!!!!!

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Please don’t feed the TROLLS, (Whitney, Rachel, Richard, Soldior, Wand of Harry…have I left anyone out?).

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Well, DUMBle if you had read the books then you would KNOW what went on during Harry and Dumbledore’s lessons. Since the books are from Harry’s point of view and everything. Nice try though.

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Mia—I’d really like to know where they heard that one. Jo hasn’t mentioned anything about that, or it would be in the press over here as well. Sounds like people are making up their own details.

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@Mia: JKR never said that Grindelwald returned Dumbledore’s feelings. Which is why Dumbledore had his heartbroken. He was infatuated with Grindelwald’s mind and when Grindelwald turned out to have so much hate in him Dumbledore was let down. This doesn’t have anything to do with sex at all. I don’t know why people ALWAYS think about sex whenever a Gay matter is brought up.

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I don’t hate homophobes, I just hate their shoving their beliefs down my throat. It’s a two way street, ya know.

Yet someway, somehow, there has to be a meeting place.

Thank you again Jo!

Brian:-)

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If I could send a howler to tell everybody to play nice in the sandbox I would.

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@Patronous: People are stupid, so they’re coming up with alot of stupid crap. I’m not Gay and I never really understood Gay people before, but after all of this, I really really feel sorry for them. No wonder they don’t want anyone to know that their Gay. I thought people had become accepting of them because of all the stuff I see on TV but clearly not. If HP “FANS” are getting upset just because JKR said she PICTURED Dumbledore as gay and I thought HP fans consisted of a pretty liberal and open-minded bunch of people, but I guess NOT!

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It is unfortunate that anyone who was disappointed at this news is viewed as “close-minded” or seemingly unable to think for themselves. The abusive language used here on a “fan” site (where hopefully all of us can at least agree that the books are fantastic and J.K. Rowling is a very gifted author) doesn’t lend credibility to either side of the issue. Almost all of us have taken the characters that Jo has written for us and know what they look like to us or what their voices sound like to us. In that respect, the characters become our own. Because they have become “ours,” you will have people who are disappointed with a specific actor being selected to play a part or because of an actor’s performance in the films.

Jo announcing this about a beloved character, after the series was complete, will shock any fan (some positively and others negatively). Regardless of the effect, this is a character that belongs to each of us in a very personal way. He’s a hero, and to some this news obviously comes as a severe blow to their very personal experience with him. And since they belong to each of us (at a personal level), there are many fans who resist any degree of tampering. There isn’t anything wrong with a fan if they feel the way that they express here (whether disappointed or excited at the news). When the dust settles from this, the version of Harry’s story that we chose to read will remain unchanged for each of us. Fan-fiction proves that despite what we may read in the books, or even what Jo may say herself, these characters are ours and we have that right (any Harry/Hermione shippers out there)?

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Here’s the thing (and there’s really no getting around it) there are gay people in the world. Whether or not you agree that is the fact. I applaud Jo for writing DD as a gay man. Maybe we can teach our children that being different is not a bad thing. For all those out there who use their religion as an excuse to bash the homosexuals in the world and now Jo for writing about them, let me ask you a question. Don’t you remember the part in the Bible that says “judge not, least ye be judged”? As for writing about it, Jo showed us that a person is not defind by their sexual orientaion. Dumbledor was a great man and taught Harry how to defeat evil. Nothing takes away from that aspect of the book, not even homosexuality.

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I love Harry Potter!!!

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Whitney wrote near the top of this thread: “I’m disgusted by the news. I’ve lost all respect for Dumbledore.”

I’m so glad JK decided to do this now. It really exposes all those for whom respect is conditional. I wonder what the reaction will be when a family member comes out to them? Will all those years of holidays, talks, and laughs suddenly mean nothing?

Probably. Small minds can only concentrate on small things.

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reading the comments and disgusted I’m DISGUSTED and almost EMBARRASSED to be called an HP fan. What ever did happen to being a fan and not putting people down. No, I’m not talking about the “haters”. I’m talking about some of you guys who are just as bad as the haters.

I’ve made my statement loud and clear that I don’t agree with homosexuality THAT DOESN’T MEAN I hate gays and lesbians. I’m merely stating my personal opinion and my belief and so are some. It’s like saying why Hindus don’t eat cows or Jews don’t eat pork. And we respect them (well some of us) and yet we can’t respect people have a different opinion towards homosexuality. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Granted some people are a little more outspoken than others. But DON’T YOU EVER EVER make it your personal mission to attack, just b/c you don’t like it.

What ever did happen to tolerance (I’m beginning to hate that word)?! I am truly disgusted by the HATE AND ANGER towards some of you guys have.

That also goes for Whitney and Soldier who are VERY outspoken and once we know your opinion, there’s not reason to state it over and over. Or you could’ve said it in a better way.

~Anita

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I shall place the Cruciatus Curse on the next person to insult my creator, J K Rowling, a fine woman and the only muggle I have any time for. You have been warned.

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As someone has already mentioned, it’s not whether you believe gayness is right or wrong. The fact remains that there are gay people in the world. “Sheltering” people is just dumb. All sorts of sex and violence are on TV, yet the anti-gay people who want to “shelter” aren’t campaigning against them.

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The news of Dumbledore’s homosexuality did sadden me. Because it is now being used to politicize the books. Once again there is a division between the political correct crowd and those who believe homosexuality to be wrong. It does make Dumbledore even more of a tragic figure, and clarifies the theme of unrequitted love. It gives Snape and Dumbledore more of an understanding. JKR as always has style and class.

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We all loved Dumbledore because he generously provided a home and love to those who were ostracized by society. He gave Hagrid a home even after he had been expelled, and when children’s parents learned that a half-giant was working at the school, Dumbledore defended him. Likewise, he ensured the safety of Lupin; he planted the Whomping Willow to protect Lupin from others during his “time of the month,” he employed him in the Order of the Phoenix, and yet again, he defended his teacher after parents learned of a non-normal staff member. Dumbledore showed love and respect for all types of living creatures (mermaids, centaurs, muggles and muggle-borns, orphans, and more). Dumbledore even continued to believe that there was good in people when all evidence pointed to the contrary (consider Malfoy). If anything, I believe this revelation about Dumbledore explains a little something his willingness to open his heart.

Can’t we follow Dumbledore’s example? Can’t we love people for the goodness of their soul? Please, let us not become these alarmist parents who dismissed muggle-borns, werewolves, or whatever else for their differences.

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Why is this still being debated over?? Why dont we all figure a solution?? All of the true HP fans that believe being predjudice is wrong and dont want bigotry part of a site we love so much tell these bigots to stop coming here and posting. Thats the problem isnt it? If you hate HP now so much and you’ve lost respect in JK and DD and the entire series then GO THEN! Be happy in your close-minded lives where everything you dont agree with you ignore its a part of normal everyday life. Just stop coming here and letting us know how horrible you are! You hate gays and thats the bottom line. Theres no way around it, period.

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Typical – everyone jumps on the band wagon. In my opinion innappropriate for a childrens book where sexuality of any kind should not be a consideration.

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Did I miss a chapter containing gay exotic literature or are most people over reacting? Anyone who has read the books and still discriminate against race,sexuality or religion has clearly missed the plot,how is it that children understand the plotline that it is wrong to discriminate but their parents dont…Live and let live.JK did not force a life style down anyones throat she simply mentioned that DD is gay and that isn’t even in the books.Sorry to burst the parent’s bubble but most 8 year olds know what sex is and some 10 year olds are having sex,I think that should be adressed rather than a fictional character being gay

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Its a sad day when a writer who has made billions from parents who bought her books to wait until the end of the series to announce such a stupid thing. My children know its morally wrong to be gay, and God will judge those people, not us. Yet I cant help that I was very happy to hear my 11 and 9 year old sons say that they would never read Harry Potter again if this is the way she wished to end it. As my oldest son said, that was just stupid for her to say that. I didnt force that opinion on them, they have it all by themselves. Even little kids know she just wanted to make more money, so she created a fuss so the talk of Harry Potter wouldnt fade out. SAD SAD SAD JK.

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That’s excellent, Jo! As shown by the extensive amount of ‘ships from our fan-fictions—we knew at least one was gay! She is right to say this will spark some fan-fiction.

I feel as though I should reread the books…again… and see if I can pick up on some things. :)

im sure Mallory will have a wonderful time with this though…

-M-B-W

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Ok, I was going to stay out of this, but here I go. To anyone who is wondering why she didn’t write (more) about Dumbledore being gay in the book: IT WASN’T ABOUT HIM!! What, you want a scene where Dumbledore is telling Harry about horcruxes and then goes “And by the way, I’m gay”? If Harry was gay, we would have known, as he was indeed a central character, and not a shadowy puppet master pulling the strings. And as far as Jo now saying it was an important plot point, only his relationship with someone who turned out to be a bad guy is relevant. The fact that Dumbledore was in love with him only helps that part of the plot make sense. And (again) if she had hinted at him being gay all along, then we would have known immediately what the story was between them. Sheesh! You’re the same people that like to see a whole movie in a 2 minute trailer.

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Please….just some PC crap that someone must have pushed her to. If he were homosexual, why not put it in one of the 7 books to be a inspiration to others? Why not Snape? or Black?

I understand they’re her characters, but this just smacks of PC back-tracking.

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I think any discussion of sexuality rather straight or homosexual in a childs book to be highly inapropriate. And it was not an important part of the story. She refuses to answer some questions and should have refused this one. It is unimportant to the books and should not be an issue. But she did it to cause debate not just to answer a question. And she did it to draw back attention and get HP in the news. I do not really care if he was gay or not. But this is a sad attempt by JR, in my opinion.

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I would like to set the record strait. Dumbledore was like a father to me. He loved me and I loved him. He was a great man, I named my second son after him for merlin’s sake! Dumbledore said that Love was a wonderful yet terrible power and now I understand what he meant more then ever. So lay of him and get a life!

H. Potter

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But Dumbledore is a fictional character. How is it possible to have a sexual preference? Well, easy enough. I’ve conceived of a story wherein Dumbledore is reformed as he comes to terms with his childhood molestation at the hands of a Hogwarts headmaster. This story teaches that life’s challenges and psychological harms can be undone.

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Why reveal anything about the characters now that the story is completed? Nothing like controversy to get some additional media attention.

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P.S. This new revelation has NOT changed the way I felt about Dumbledore. I still like him even if his past is a little rocky b/c of Harry (raising him as a pig for slaughter?! I guess), he changed and that’s why I respect him as a character. Jo Rowling has written him beautifully. I respect her and her decision.

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Im straight.. and think this is wonderful.

If ANY of you are being discriminatory about this…and suddenly wont read the series… or now hate Dumbledore… or now have lost respect for JKR because of it… then you have learned nothing, NOTHING from reading harry potter.

.period.

One of the main themes in the Harry Potter series is that it is wrong to discriminate…that one person isn’t better than another… that one thing about you makes you earn less respect.

Reread the books people. Get over it.

double woot for JKR.

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it was somewhat non necessary to say it in the book, the plot didn’t required it. then someone asked a question and jkr ansewed. Like someone said, “end of story, goodbye”

I have a rare disease, that make me not normal to some. so what ? I’m different and proud of it :) I am who I want to be, not what other would want me to be.

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I agree Susan and Christine. She is just trying to create media attention.

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as a parent of 3 wonderful kids (12,16 and 17), niece of a gay uncle, cousin to a couple of gay PEOPLE, I say, People are people. Dumbledore is a character and this character taught tolerance and understanding to harry and co. JKR knows her characters better than anyone. My kids have known about homosexuality since they were young-do I think their knowledge is going to ‘turn’ them gay-heck no! you either are or you aren’t, PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE, people. Let this go, there are much bigger things to worry about in life, there’s an unjust war happening in Iraq for one.

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@ patronous potter & Celia Yes, I read Jo’s interview on this blog and I know that Jo never mentioned something like that. I don’t understand where the Japanese press get that idea from. Perhaps some US media report? Or just mistranslation? I don’t know…but I’m really disgusted that people are now talking about DD as if he were a dirty old man who were trying to lure young boys. Really, really, disgusting.

When I first read the book 7, I thought the relationship between GW and DD was a bit strange. So I’m very pleased to hear that DD was in love with the evil Grindelwald. I thought it’s really convincing and I loved him more because of his tragedy and his weakness.

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I didn’t want any part of what I typed crossed over—I don’t know why that happened.

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I am think JKR might sell MORE books now that Dumbledore is out of the closet. To all those who are disappointed… mail your HP books to me. I’ll take them!

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  • BRAVO JO *

And would PLEASE the non Harry Potter Fans leave the Leaky Cauldron Website…Thank you

This used to to be a Harry Potter Website – everyone was friendly and respected each other’s opinion!

Leave us alone – so we can return to normality!!

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You know this is a wonderful opportunity to discuss and enlighten. For those who don’t understand homosexuality, by browbeating them into silence, you lose the chance to shed some light on it. But if people can’t speak their minds freely, then you lose an opportunity to make a difference in thier mindset.

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A cornucopia of love. ♥

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So Gind was evil and he was gay. And when DD had evil tendancies he was gay. But when he stoped being gay he turned good and killed the evil gay wizard. I think that is a horrible thing for JK to write. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. She is a truely evil woman after only profits.

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I think she said Dumbledore was gay. We don’t know that Grindlewald was too. She said it was an infatuation which suggests it was one-sided.

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@ VICKY: Sexuality of anykind should NOT be considered???? First of all, NOT a children’s book. Children read it because it appeals to everyone. It’s Universal so it offers stuff for everyone. Second of All, you mean HOMOsexuality should not be considered because Books 3-7 all Have sexuality in them! It’s just HETEROsexuality, which Of course makes everything okay. Book 3: Harry gets his crush on Cho. Book 4: It’s full of sexuality! Book 5: Again Full of it! Harry even KISSES a girl. Book 6: The WHOLE book is about sexuality! Book 7: Again Full of sexuality. Maybe you missed all of those sexual references Greyback kept making about Hermione!! The stuff about Dumbledor isn’t even in the book. And Dumbledore did NOT have a gay relationship with Grindelwald. He wanted too, because he was infatuated and intrigued by him. BUT Grindelwald DID NOT share those feelings!

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So Gind was evil and he was gay. And when DD had evil tendancies he was gay. But when he stoped being gay he turned good and killed the evil gay wizard. I think that is a horrible thing for JK to write. There is nothing wrong with being homosexual. She is a truely evil woman after only profits.

Posted by Dumble on October 23, 2007 @ 01:50 PM

you that is another thing. I don’t know why gays are happy about this. She completely destoryed DD’s good character in book 7, then she reveals him as gay.

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The reason that I am disgusted by JKR’s decision to “bring out” DD is the idea of changing/developing characters of a series that has already been completed and published. As a student of literature I find this both irresponsible and ,as many others have said, cowardly. I have not lost respect for DD, but my respect for JKR is all but gone. An author changing characters of a finished book is not done! It should not be done!

However, because this is a post publication developement I believe it is up to the individual reader to decide if they even want to accept this developement on the character of DD. Personally as a fifth grade teacher one of the reasons why I enjoyed this fantastical series was that sexuality was not an issue for the characters, thus keeping the books simpler and truly more enjoyable, especially for kids. In our current society we and our children are continually bombarded by sexuality, so it would be nice to keep some things, like childrens’ literature, free from the subject. Because sex complicates everything, and kids have no need for that complication.

In conclusion, please don’t worry so much about this new developement, for it is only JKR’s opinion. You as the readers have the choice to accept this idea about DD or completely disregard it, because it is really not in the book. In my opinion, please disregard it, and let the HP series along with its characters remain as they are written in their fantastical world free of sexual issues.

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I just heard news about another revelation from JKR:

She said the Whomping Willow works nights as a DOMINATRIX!!!!!

Go Willow!!!!!

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JK has taken something that has held a very special . . . almost magical place in our lives for the past 7 years . . . something we could turn to to escape the assault of moral decline and corruption that pervades our lives . . . and she has unceremoniously ripped that from our very bosoms . . .

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Whitney = Uncle Vernon + Malfoy

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How does the whomping willow fit into that leather outfit. I think this report is false.

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I burst out laughing when I read the headline.

I want to give her a hug for putting up with all of this (Lots of other reasons too, but this one is the most pertinent at the moment).

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@ber: she didn’t destroy Dumbledore’s good character all that stuff in book 7 happened like almost 100 years previously. And JKR said she has ALWAYS known Dumbledore was GAY meaning. He was gay when she was writing books 1-6 as well as book 7. So your argument makes no sense. And Grindelwald was NOT Gay. Dumbledore was infatuated with Grindelwald because of the way his mind worked and because both of them shared the same ambitions. And Dumbledore could have convinced himself that he was in love, because he was sooo intrigued by Grindelwald. But I don’t think Grindelwald shared those same feelings.

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@ Mr. Blair So, do you perhaps think Tolkien is the worst author in history? He made a crazy amount of character development after the Lord of the Rings books are completed. Just curious…

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”” The reason that I am disgusted by JKR’s decision to “bring out” DD is the idea of changing/developing characters of a series that has already been completed and published. ”” Then jkr saying after the book that harry was an auror is no good either ? it’s all stuff she had left out, but don’t means she made it up afterwards.

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Quite frankly I’m surprised that Dumbledore has been declared gay. I never once got the idea he was. He appeared to me to be a gentleman who simply had not found the woman he needed but made his life worth while anyway. And as far as him liking Harry, I felt it was a natural thing. He was infatuated with Harry but I didn’t feel it was because of gayness. Instead, I felt it was because of who Harry was. The character of Dumbledore gave me the feeling that he knew already what Harry could be because of the little guy’s incounter he already had with Voldemort. And being the kind of person Dumbledore was, and being such a genius, he would have recognized Harry’s potential. That, in itself, would have excited Dumbledore. And as far as his relationship with Grindewald, that too, would have excited a genius type person without engaging in any gay feelings. It would simply have been a kindred spirit with whom Dumbledore could relate. After all, It’s not every day a genius runs into another. So I am very surprised to learn Dumbledore is now considered gay.

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@ Celia. Fist how do you know she always knew DD was gay. Just because she said so? She said that only to validate her point. And her point was to get more press. Two how do you know Grind was not gay. She never said he was not. She never said those feelings were not returned. Stop making stuff up. Thank you. Drive through

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Good grief, has the world gone mad overnight? I was under the impression that the world was now a tolerant place but obviously I was quite deluded! Is the heart surgeon that saves your daughters life any less a person because he’s gay? The Doctor who cures cancer? The artist who’s painting is hanging on your wall?? It is biggots like those that have commented here that make young people afraid to believe in themselves and their own abilities for fear of oppression. Good on Jo for tackling these issues head on. Despite which, the books are quite literally an amazing read.Would the homophobes here present please submit their seven books that have been made into one of the most successful film series for our consideration…

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will people PLEASE STOP SAYING JKR IS GREEDY SHE – IS – NOT!!!!!!!! if there is anyone who definitely IS NOT greedy it’s JKR so SHUT UP!

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I can’t believe that JK Rowling revealed that Neville is a heterosexual, and that he got with Hannah! This information is completely irrelevant to the story, and if she wanted Neville to be straight, she should have mentioned it in the books instead of blurting it out in a Q&A session. When that person asked about Neville, she should have refused to answer, or better yet, lied. It’s so inappropriate to bring up sexual issues like Neville’s future relationship with Hannah, in front of children. Imagine the questions they’ll be asking. “Mommy, does that mean Neville, a man, loves Hannah, a woman? Do they have . . . sex?” How disgusting to think of the things that will be going through their minds at this revelation! Knowing that Neville likes Hannah has completely changed my view of the series. I used to love the books and especially Neville, but knowing this has changed my mind. I now hate Neville, as well as that greedy old witch, Rowling, who brought up this completely unnecessary, totally out-of-the-blue news just to get more money. I am proud to say that I will be burning the books straightaway. And my children will most definitely not be reading them, either—I don’t need them getting ideas about sex (it’s MY job to teach my kids about sex, thanks!), even if it is true that Neville’s heterosexual appetite is barely hinted at in the books.

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I think the world just needs to get over it already and move on.

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In this here world of ours we have the following:

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ETHNCITIESBUT THEY ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS BELIEFSBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT ABILITIESBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS

PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT SEXUALITIESBUT THEY ARE STILL HUMAN BEINGS.

The sad thing on this and the other thread, is too many people do not recognise this variety, and think that any recognition is pandering to political correctness. So me, as a Black person, should not be recognised in literature, otherwise the author is pandering to PC. And my best friend, as a gay guy, shouldn’t be acknowledged for the same reason. Thank you for that, thanks for recognising my humanity.

That ideology right there is VERY SIMILAR to Nazism. Just remember that.

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Kush are you saying that JK is a nazi? That is very out of line in my opinion.

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hear hear, Anonimus

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Whether we choose to accept it or not, JKR created Dumbledore. He’s her character. If she says he’s gay, then he’s gay.

When we read a book, the character we see on the page is nowhere near as detailed as the character the author creates. The creation process involves assigning details that never make it into the final draft. Each detail helps shape the character into a well-rounded individual. It may not matter to the story whether or not the character had a fight with his sister when he was six that led to him being grounded for a month, but a talented author will include that degree of specific information in the character’ s bio anyway.

To invalidate Rowling’s statement because it wasn’t explicitly described in the text doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. There is a multitude of info and backstory on all the Potter characters which we’ve not seen, information Rowling has in her notes. Just because she shares it with us after the series has ended doesn’t make it any less factual.

If her statement about an ‘offstage’ aspect of Dumbledore isn’t valid because she made it after ‘DH’ was published, then none of her post-DH statements are valid. Ginny never played professional Quidditch. Cho didn’t marry a Muggle. Hannah Abbot never became Hannah Longbottom, etc.

Rejecting the statement because of personal opinion is one thing. Saying it doesn’t carry any weight is another. The ‘Potterverse’ is Rowling’s world. We may each have our own ideas about that world, but in the end, she’s the final authority on the Wizarding World, not us. It was her brainchild.

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I love these books, and I always will. Dumbledore’s always been one of my favorite characters, and this hasn’t changed that. If anything, this makes Dumbledore a stronger character, in my opinion. The fact that he fought and defeated the person he was infatuated with shows just how strong a character he was and just how much Dumbledore believed in his own convictions. It makes him and his motives more admirable, if anything!

To say that JKR did this to boost sales or to get her books banned is idiotic, and I don’t think true fans of the series would EVER say that. While I’ll admit that Dumbledore’s sexual preference wasn’t necessary information to the storyline Jo decided to convey, what harm is there in knowing now that everything’s over? It just shows that when someone is fiercely loyal, brilliant, and strong the way Dumbledore was, what does it matter what gender, race, religion, or preference they were?

Sexuality doesn’t define someone. As Dumbledore himself said, it’s our choices that show what we truly are.

The hatred and intolerance in these comments are making me very sad, and in a perfect world this wouldn’t even matter. The world is clearly far from perfect.

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Dumble, read my post again. I’m saying the people who are NOT being accepting of variety amongst humanity have an ideology ‘close’ to Nazism. But I’m NOT directly calling anyone a Nazi, and JK is the polar opposite of a Nazi.

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Its funny that this is a new thread saying the same things. “why would I put a major plot story in book 1” because if you foreshadowed this in book 1 then we would have known he was “in love” with grindewald and not just awestruck or a brotherly love. If we knew he was gay, we would know he was ” in love”. She definately foreshadowed snape/lily in book 5, when I figured it out, so it wasnt a shocker in book 7 for sure for me, but I still dont see it when I read through book 7, I will re read it when I have time with her “outing” in mind, but I am not sure I will still see it as anything other than brotherly love.

I do think it would have changed her sales if she would have put it in book 1 though, just becuase of everything I am hearing and reading, I think she wouldnt have been the richest woman in Great Britain if she would have done it and I think she knows it too which is why she waited until after the books came out to do it or in book 7 when no one had a choice they had already given her their millions. when people read this in however many years after JKR is dead and gone then they probably wont see the “love connection” between grindewald either, unless they put it in the movies, which I sure hope they dont.

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I think everyone should just sit back, look at some Grindledore art and fic. Trust me… Fanart = love and tolerance for all. here’s one to get started:

http://railiens.deviantart.com/art/Dumbledore-Grindelwald-Collab-61871593

Slither, signing off love and peace all.

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LOL Anonimus, that was brilliant.

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Yeah that is funny anonimus but last I checked, neville went to the yule ball with a girl, so I think he likes girls….

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And last time i checked, Dumbledore was dancing with Madame Maxime at teh yule ball, sbf

(pulls out tongue)

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Seems to me that JK is damned if she does and damned if she doesn’t.

Argument 1: -Jo waited to reveal Dumbeldore’s sexuality so she could make more money! -Jo shouldn’t have said anything at all because she will make less money now and fewer children won’t be able to read it because Dumbeldore was gay

Argument 2: -Jo never should have said anything because it doesn’t change who Dumbeldore is/was -Jo should have said it at the beginning, it would have been beneficial to have an “out” character and also shed light on Dumbledore’s actions

And the list goes on. Keeping a character in the closet for the sake of readers will only lead to more close minded readers in my opinion. So what if we have society full of adults that read? The point of reading isn’t just to read—their is something to the subject matter that is beneficial to becoming a well-rounded and educated person.

And this has nothing to do with geography as much as just shock all the way around. If you are unsatisfied with the revelation, then by all means take your books back, burn them and never read them again. But I would hesitate before calling Jo deceitful or misleading because she failed to or decided too late or chose to announce Dumbledore’s sexuality at all.

While I did consider the possibility of Grindewald and Dumbledore, I never knew for sure. Now that I do, it helps me to understand Dumbledore a little more—but I don’t see him any differently.

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Which is another point why it wasnt foreshadowed, why didnt he dance with flitwick then?

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maybe because flitwick wouldn’t have agreed… Dumbledore wasn’t “out” in the books right? it seems to me he was only in love properly once (and not wit flitwick ugh)

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Do you think my taking all 7 books, 2 copies of each of the 6th and 7th book and paperback books also, along with other things (If I decided I wouldnt read them anymore, which I havent) would change anything. Do you think I would get my money back for books 1-7 that I paid for them if I did return them. I could use the money actually…. ponders… but I love the books still, and I dont think it changes the books since it wasnt in the books.

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read chapter 18 in DH then…

thinks more

also some nice subtext in “Kings Cross” (smiles helpfully at sbf)

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I consider his “in love properly” as you call it, the likeness of hermione loving lockhart. Obviously it was one sided, from the books, or nothing more than an infatuation and what if JKR decided to come out saying Lockhart liked to date his students, but it wasnt in the book, then we would all be like “I knew it, I figured hermione had to be in love with him”. All I am concerned about is if he wasnt out in his books, he shouldnt be “out” in his movies either and if JKR thought that it was such a plot point, why did only probalby 10% of her readers even see it, and why not add it at the end of the book instead of hinting at it, if it was so important.

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I agree to a certain degree with Whitney, because the fact that Dumbledore is gay has no place and no need in the book for a child. And it isn’t in the book – at least not for a child. You can read into it what you want, of course. When I read the comments about “I am so wearing a DD shirt to the next gay pride parade,” it really upset me. Because now these wonderful books, this great story line is going to be dragged through the mud, before you know it, there will be questions about what it means when Dumbledore says he loves Harry, and all that stuff. Do you all really want to see the series under attack, just so you can put another notch into your rainbow banners?

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@SBF: I think it would have deffenetly affected sales if she had put it in book 1. Saying otherwise is crazy. For right or wrong there are a lot. A LOT of people that think being homosexual is wrong. I do not agree but a lot of people think that way. Look at these post just to see. All those people, would not have bought the books. Look at how dificult it is in America to get the laws changed. Two A lot of people buy these books for thier children and do not want a author of a book to teach thier kids about sexuality.

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Dear Jo and LC,

This is goodbye. We have been delivered a Trojan Horse. I am shocked at the revelation of DD being gay, but the insinuation of homosexuality into our home is repungant. JKR has entirely misrepresented herself and has betrayed us in doing so.

I will always feel deeply betrayed by Jo, who is wrong and coward for not telling us sooner. I would have abandoned Harry a long time ago had I known, yes, even as much as I have loved the entire series. Harry and Jo are banned from this home for all time. I have defended HP to the harshest critics with a clear conscience, but no more. Yes, this is betrayal—I feel the greatest sucker punch. By withholding this information, JKR has been allowed to rise to unprecedented popularity.and now makes use of that popularity to teach children all over the world that homosexuality is acceptable. I cannot approve of DD as a role model to my children. My dh makes an excellent point: Imagine the outrage and betrayal in the gay community if it were the other way around. Suppose DD were gay from the beginning, the HP series (against the odds) rises to the wild popularity that it now enjoys. In the end, DD repents and is healed from homosexuality, falls in love with an outstanding witch and becomes an even greater wizard. The “sneakiness” would, more than the fact, create an outrage of betrayal. I never saw this coming, but now I am wiser for it. How far the mighty have fallen.

Goodbye,

DeeperMagic (see The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis)

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“People are not born gay. Ever notice they can’t reproduce? That should give you a clue.”

OH GOD!!! Don’t tell my daughter!!

What nonesence!

one of “THEM”!

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I will read it, but its strange how people will interpret it their different ways. I dont see how a childlike vision of “love” between 2 men as being brotherly love or like your bestest friend in the whole world is wrong to leave in our imaginations. Why does she have to make it a gay love, which is in no way “childlike” to me, it seems that she could have just left it in our imagination as we had wanted, even with answering the question. He could have said, the only person he felt anything near pure true love was for grindewald and let us make our own minds up.

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she never said it was very important to the plot at all sbf. which is why it wasn’t included. Its just fun background. =P

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sorry is jo.

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Well said, Anonimus!

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@ So Sad, I agree. I think we have to wonder about DD now. All those late nights with Harry in his study. All those times he told Harry he loved him. This is a very dangerous book. I think Harry might have to go to counciling.

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You tell ‘em Jo.

Just jumped on this board so haven’t read any comments yet but man, the poor girl looks like she’s being hounded.

i hope Jo constantly thinks of the overwhelming strong moral support she has from us fans to get through these hounding periods.

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For those who are offended and have forgotton the lession about choices defining the person, remember that the relationship was in DD,s teen years or early 20’s at most, and he died at about 150.

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If you are thinking thoughts like that dumble you are sick in the head too. you have no right to insinuate dumbledore is anything other than pure.

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JKR did not destroy HP and the series for me or my child. The stories are appropriate with guidance for children.

Conversations in public from both sides of this issue similar to the comments made here have destroyed the fun and safety of the series for us. People against the books have made snide comments to my child and “pro gay Dumbledore” people have made suggestive comments about Dumbledore in front of my child. I am not disappointed in JKR, but the uncivilized public.

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She said in this interview, why would i put such an important part of my story in book 1 (or something like that) if it was so important, then why wasnt it even in book 7. It may have been in her encyclopedia and it may be in the harry potter lexicon, but I am pretty sure that they didnt make the connection to put it in there either until JKR outed him. there are people who read things into every little thing on earth so why wouldnt some people assume that dd is gay because he “loved” grindewald, but the majority do not think that way and do not assume that just because someone “loves” someone means they are physically attracted to that gender. I think ron and harry loved one another and neither of them were gay (as far as I know).

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@ Minisha Did you read the last book? Even JK admited that DD had unpure thoughts. He thought about ruling the wizardly world. Are you trying to tell us that is your idea of pure. Do not blame me. JK brought up these topics. Not I. She wrote all this stuff not I. Do not take out your secret hatred of JK on me.

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Jut browsing through the comments

Here we go again, sigh

Where’s peeves – need him now for comic relief.

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Molly: I think I agree with you. I dont care about his sexuality, if it was in the books, maybe yes and maybe no about me reading them or freely letting my children read them, not sure yet. anyway, now there is no getting around it, most of us have proclaimed to be hp fans, defended the books, etc, and now with this coming out it is like we are up defending them again. Poor Jo, POOR US. we are the ones who have to defend now why do you let your kids read that. are you gay too since 1 character is. harry potter fans are gay, etc, etc, etc. I do not want gay rights people claiming the HP series as theirs, I do not want to be considered gay if I read it, like now, If I say, oooh a rainbow, i get asked, are you gay. No rainbows are pretty but they are not GAY. It annoys me that something can be considered gay and only for the gay community, (now dumbledore).

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@SBF I agree. It was not important and it never had to be an issue. Unfortuntly JK made it so. She has no comment on several questions fans have asked her but makes a comment on this. She is trying to make a statement and get publicity and she is using her books to do that.

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the wording for grindledore described in the book is a little stronger than platonic ron harry friendship (at least on albus’s part) I wondered for a while why people didn’t question it.

seriously i was on forums confusedly saying:

Grindledore??? heloooo? anyone else see it?

the words “caught and inflamed me…” ring any bells?? heloo?

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You can be caught and inflamed by a motivational speaker if they do it right, it doesnt mean you are attracted to them?

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To Jayden:

If JKR had come out to say that she is gay, it would not matter to me one bit, but she made a character in a children’s book thus, when it should not matter at all in a phantasy world (I keep hearing people referring to “the real world” – Harry Potter is NOT real, you all!), since Dumbledore is not involved with anyone in the books, that is written about, anyway.

Your comparison that an artist’s sexual orientation shouldn’t matter is faulty in this case – would I hang a picture of two men involved in my living room? Probably not.

Would I hang a picture of a gay artist in my living room? Certainly, if I like it, I don’t care if he or she is brown, black, yellow, white or green for that matter, or what is sexual orientation is, if he is a good artist.

I feel like I now need to monitor the movies at least – are they going to introduce a scene with young Dumbledore and Grindelwald? My kids don’t need to see that. And I think that’s what a lot of the hubbub is about.

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she made “no comments” before the series was over because the answes would give too much away duh

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Then you are one of the 10% who saw it, Slither, but seems that you even didnt get too many people agreeing with you right off.

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“I am proud that Jo didn’t put it in the books because it just goes to show how little sexuality should really matter.”

AM, that really sums it up. DD is still DD, and the books are still the books.

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I am more shocked for the fan reaction that for DD being gay. And believe this news surprised me!

With messages as “JKR has betrayed us” and “I will never defend the books for more”, I think some readers have minunderstood all the saga. please, remember this tolerance that supported the Order of the Phoenix. Death Eaters killed all the different. I think Jo was speaking about more than muggles, werewolves and squibs.

Anyways, if you can’t accept there is a character gay… please, ignore the info. If you will be happy, come on, ignore it.

And Jo said it would only affect fanfictions? wow with the fandom. and i am worried because it is an important part of the fandom the one that is angry now.

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The plot is what it is,” said Rowling. “(Dumbledore) did have, as I say, this rather tragic infatuation but that was a key part of the ending of the story so there it is. Why would I put the key part of my ending of my story in Book One?”

How come you didn’t put it in book 7 then?

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but why is that sbf??? headdesk

why must people always say

“Slash? ew. Jo would never include a slash pair in the books…”

but they were wrong and we were right…

shows how much everyone else knows.

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not so sure: That is what I am about. and are they going to claim the new HP theme park as a gay theme park? When we take our 7 year old kids there what will it be like? Also, at least in the movies they warn you what might be in them, this book had no warning or no foreshadowing in book 1 where we would be able to make up our minds if we wanted this aspect of someone’s life in our children’s life until well after we had already read them and introduced them to the characters. that is deceit, if there was a foreshadow in book 1 where we could make up our mind it would have been more responsible of her to do so. If they say there are going to be scenes with grindewald and dumbledore in the movie, i have a choice not to go see it before I pay my money and walk into it. It was irrepsonsible for her to do this after the fact.

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Well, thank goodness she didn’t put it in the book! I don’t really care about what theories she reveals about characters after the books are done! People should just leave her alone and quit asking her about what happened to the characters after the books! They aren’t real people anyway. I’m just glad she had enough sense to realize that her idea of Dumbledore being gay was NOT appropriate to put in a children’s book.

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But I think it was written in the books. albeit subtley.

people not wanting to see it that way; just caused them to ignore it. does it have to be spelled out to you?? it would be crude to write it in the book so clearly i think, because dumbledores infatuation with Gridlewald seemed to be above all that “gay” or “straight” buisness. Dumbledore is labeled “gay” only for the sake of argument.

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Wow. I never comment on here, but this is all completely ridiculous, so here’s my two cents.

So what?

First of all, there has been homosexuality in literature forever, going back to the Iliad and even before that. For a major character or a hero of a story to be gay is no earth-shattering news. Has anyone read a book other than Harry Potter? Sometimes on here, I get the feeling that the answer is no.

And yes, I am a big HP fan, and I have been since 1999.

If the idea that a character in the books is described (not even in the books themselves) as being gay, and you simply cannot stand it, then don’t read the books. It’s not even in the book for you to read, anyway!

Your children won’t know anything of Dumbledore being gay unless you introduce that notion to them yourself. Or maybe you let them read/watch the crap that passes for news these days where they’ll be bombarded with it, in which case I would say that Britney, Paris, and Lindsay are bigger threats to your child’s sense of morality than the post-canon outing of a fictional character.

And just for the record, I feel it should have been a part of book seven since it would make more sense of the whole “Dumbledore’s Past” thing that just came out of the blue. Plot wise and literature wise - or what have you - it just would’ve worked better to include it.

I’m disappointed she revealed it in this manner—and no I don’t think she’s been a hero or brave about it either. It all seems very convenient in timing. I’m more disappointed that people are so up in a (angry or ecstatic) fit about it.

That’s it. Go read some more books, and ignore all the trolls and unnecessary hub-bub about all of this. The end.

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slither: I dont understand what you are saying but its okay because maybe I dont want to know.

I am not saying I wont defend the books, or I will, I am saying now I have to defend them for a whole nother reason one that I didnt even know was in it. I knew there was going to be witchcraft in it, and death from the first book and continued to read, defending its “not real” aspect, but to defend against something that wasnt there, is ridiculous.

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Rowling used to answer questions with “No comment,” because the answers would have given away future plot details. Now that she has finished the books, she is free to answer any question she likes, and has acted accordingly.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I’m glad my comment provided entertainment for some of you. Aside from throwing an unflattering light on some of the absurd comments here, that was my goal. I will point out for the less . . . perceptive of you (of which I’m afraid there is little shortage) that it was a joke. No I’m not upset about Neville being with Hannah—that would be every bit as silly as being upset about Dumbledore, nor, thank goodness, do I have children (I’m only twenty, and I’m every bit as gay as Dumbledore, though not quite as badass, I’m afraid.)

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Not that anyone here or anywhere cares. But the author’s revelation has turned me off from the books, movies, fan website & Pottercast —for no other reason than being ‘preachy.’ Rowling just couldn’t resist going that one bit further, could she?

I now turn my back on the Hogwarts world and join the millions of the cynical anti-Potter hoards and leave the rest of you to your Rowling worship and adoration.

Nothing to see here, just another talented twit celebrity with a social engineering agenda.

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You’re right kids won’t know, but some of their parents won’t let them read the books in the first place. I know some parents that won’t let them read because they say it promotes wichcraft (absurd)now even more will say no way DD’s Gay. What a load of Poo Poo, but its true. Kids will suffer

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Oh dear, then that means you must also be screening Alice in Wonderland for all the opium references, or Cindarella for the child abuse, right?

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Gross, I think that she should not have said that hello it’s kids book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She should keep her thoughts to herself. Gay how can you make Dumblerdore gay. This tragic thing will not stop this book from my liking… it will just make me feel sick. I have nothing aganist Gay people. Its just that its gross. When I reread this book I will block the gay thing out. jk is still my Fav. auther. just next time don’t go blabbling out every thought you have for all the charectors. I just hope no one else is gay.

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I dont think that the books you are talking about are considered children’s books? Not sure, but I do agree that my kids have brought home worse books about teenagers cutting themselves or killing themselves, etc, than this is, but at least it is in the book flap for them to know what they are reading and me also, and it isnt that you come to respect the teacher that you have known since kindergarten only to findout that she is and always has been a prostitute. I mean it is a different thing when you know what is going on and when it comes out after it is over as an aside. I havent seen too many kids books that a 3rd grade teacher would read to the kids that have homosexuality in it though, and that is when my kids got introduced to the HP series.

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It’s not some “kids book” carly. glares

it transcends all age groups.

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It was published as a children’s book, just because other people read it does not mean it is not a “children’s” book.

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Bravo, Jo! I admire your choices.

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Jo never intended it as a kids book. (at the beginning)

I expect she was aiming for YA

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I dont really know what the Alice in wonderland, cinderella thing was but if someone came up to you and you were 6 and someone told you you must do drugs because you like Alice in wonderland, then I am sure it would be something they would not want to assoicate with again. It is the same thing, it is becoming a “gay” issue to like HP and I dont like that part of it when it wasnt in the books for us to choose whether we wanted to have that aspect in our lives.

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She never mentioned DD’s sexuality in the books nor did she even give any hints. All this hoopla after the fact is just, well, strange. Since it wasn’t mentioned, then it wasn’t important. DD is dead. IMHO, Jo should have let him rest in peace and so should we.

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At Literature geek. A parent should look at everything thier kids read. Expecially at a certain age. Rather it be disney or Carroll

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Doesnt matter what she was aiming for, the age group she wrote for was not Young Adult, it was for kids probalby 3rd or 2nd grade and up. she obviously stayed within those guidelines to keep the age range appropriate.

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Sorry for what i said ” of all ages” is that better?

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For heaven’s sake, can anyone really call these children’s books anymore? Certainly not the last three. It pisses me off that people are using their children and how this revelation may or may not influence them as an excuse to be intolerant. If parents are so worried about the content of Harry Potter, why not complain over the death, violence, cursing, or any of the frightening images in the books? Those elements aren’t exactly those of children’s books, if you ask me. One of the most frightening things I’ve ever read was in DH when Nagini came bursting out of Bathilda Bagshot’s dead body, and even as a college student that was a completely terrifying image to me. Characters are killed before our eyes, frightening things happen, Molly Weasley calls Bellatrix a bitch . . . all of these are pretty heavy things for the average child to take in.

But THIS is what’s being focussed on.

Has it come down to this, that parents either turn a blind eye to what their children are taking in or pitch a hissy fit because their children are learning about the real world? If parents are so worried about their children reading these books because Dumbledore is homosexual, I think their priorities are not quite in line.

When you chose to let your children read books with real issues in them, don’t start trying to filter out the things that YOU don’t like. Either let them learn about the world and hope they’ll grow into more tolerant adults than you or continue to hide their heads under your aprons.

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She could have kept it YA if she added dumbledore being gay in book 1, that would have been probably 7th grade and up, which is dangerous since that is when they experiment with EVERYTHING including clothes, makeup, sexuality, music, alchol, drugs, etc and is when they are most impressionable and pressured.

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god, she’s getting so irritating. and the obnoxious demanding fan base is no better, constantly begging for more information, as if the potter stories, though engaging and fun, are important historical accounts or something. can’t we just let the story end?

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The people who keep saying that she didn’t put this in Book 7 are being unfair. She did put the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindlewald in the book; she just didn’t go right out and label it as romantic. As someone myself who dabbles in writing, I can testify to the fact that you don’t spell every little thing out to the readers. There are some things that you let the reader infer for himself, and Dumbledore’s sexual orientation is a prime candidate (the alternative would be shocking many readers so much that they would require the next several hours to digest the information and get on with the story—never a good thing for a book).

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I think these are great books. However it takes away a little bit by DD being gay. She just never should have mentioned anyones affiliation. Be it gay or straight and just let the books stand on thier own. She is only doing this to get back into the limelight.

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I would also like to hear more about DD’s and Grindelwald’s relationship (was there one at all?)... but something tells me that now that the tour is over, we won’t be hearing from her again for a loooooooong time. :(

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Sillabub you may have apoint, I didnt like molly using that word either, because I had respected her more than that and that did shock me, even though it was against Bellatrix, and some of the violent scenes are horrifying to children, which is why it is PG13, but we also know that is in there by reading it, we know that the movies may or may not show such violent things, and visual is much worse than reading it, I think, because we can use our imaginations to make it as scary or as nonscary as we want it to be, but the movies will put their own twist on them. once again, if it was in the books, we could have made our choice whether we wanted to read it or not, I am sure my kids probaly still would have, but this is ridiculous that it wasnt in the books and now it is a “major plot issue”.

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you know, i think she totally made this up after the book was published. publicity and controversy and keeping her name in print. she claims so often that ‘this was the plan since the beginning,’ and, while meaning no disrespect, that can’t be the case for everything she’s laid said claim to. harry’s invisibility cloak is one example; it provided an easy out for the concept of three deathly hallows. and don’t tell me for one minute she always intended for neville to marry hannah abbot; she just made it up on the spot. this is why i agree with ‘move on’ above: let the stories freaking END when the last book is CLOSED.

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... and snape killing dumbledore wasnt a shock. I think she liked to shock her audience so it would have been fitting for her to shock us once again inside the books, unless she was afraid she would lose her fan base and schools would pull their books, etc.

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My brother’s gay and believe it wasn’t his choice. He struggled with it for years and he had girlfriends, but he was just very unhappy that way. I don’t mind Dumbledore is gay, it really doesn’t seem like such a big deal to me. And I think Jo thought the same way, but she was careful with outing dumbledore because… well… because al the christian fanatics out there, and I’m particularly refering to al lot of americans. No offence, but a lot of you people stil have a 1950’s idea of homosexuality. (Allthough I must admit that I’m not such a big fan of gay pride parades, dancing with lipstick on, in nothing but a pink ribbon, just rubbs people the wrong way.) please respond, I’m curious what other people think.

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who asked her the question? all she says is that she was answering a direct question from someone. who? and why? sounds more like a pollitically motivated issue than anything literary.

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We must remember that this is Jo’s books and Jo’s characters. She was asked a question and she answered it. That is it! If we are on the this website then we obviously love the HP series and we must remember that it would not exist with JKR. She is a wonderful woman who has created a world with characters that are so dear to us. Dumbledore was a tragic character and I believe this bit of information has shown why Dumbledore acted the way he did about Grendlewald. HP is a children’s series but we must remember the world is made up of people who are different from one another. I think this is a great lesson for our children.

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pamela: you’re so right. she likes to shock. she’s a little wrapped up in herself.

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Seems that Americans take everything to the extreme, whatever it is, so that is why we get more worked up about it. Maybe if it were a more “normal” appearing thing than people being over the top flamboyant about it it wouldnt get so much attention, but it does because it seems to be something that is.

Its funny becasue I can argue both sides of most arguments, but I cant argue and defend JKR for releasing this 3 months after the book to an audience with some children, etc, in it. if she was “responsible” enough to know it didnt have a place in a children’s book, why does it have the place now in a room with children in it. Fame has changed her, I think, and it is something that most people cannot deny.

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pamela, a teenage girl in the New York audience asked her if Dumbledore had ever been in love… I was right there, I saw it. Good lord, I really hope Jo is just tuning all of the nutters out at this point.

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She didn’t make it up on the spot: She had formerly mentioned this to the director of the HBP film. And even if she did, IT DOESNT MATTER ANYWAY. As the author, she retains every right to make things up about her characters whenever and however she so pleases. They’re her books and her characters. If you don’t like that, you’re free to avoid books for the rest of your life, as the same goes for the relationship between every other book and its author.

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I know she made it orinally and aults book, but she then made it a children book… im a kid.. it just makes me uncomfortble, me and my friends. Im just confused

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Whitney, you are an idiot. Go crawl in a corner and die. Do you really think that by now you havent been in contact with at least one gay person? Dellusion is a great thing to hide behind.

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question)

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formally when asked about dumbledores love life or

the teachers spouses or something… she declined to comment saying that this was key to a future book.

anyone else remember that?

was this what she meant? if so it meant she’d been planning a while… maybe she had no room to fit it in (after all she forgot about the person doing magic in later life) or it sounded a bit much in the book- maybe… the editors thought it was too contraversial and pressured her to tone it down to a few hints… maybe it took her this long to finally be asked the right question and finally answer it. ???

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question)

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what’s up with the JK dodging the more important and socially damaging issue of the stamp collector?

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I have to kids who now ask me if anyone else is gay ( There friends told them that he was gay, i didn’t want them to know because i knew they would ask these question) i don’t know what to say

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Minisha: she could have been referring about snape for the snape/lily plot line too.

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Weston (as well as anyone else of the same opinion), Yes you’re entitled to your own opinion but if that opinion is not based on a valid reasonable reason (especially when that opinion hurts someone else) then you have to ask yourself, is it the right opinion? There’s always been boy meets girl love stories even in children’s books. Cinderella with her prince charming not Cinderella with her princess charming or Cinderfella with his prince charming. Point is that Heterosexuality IS being pushed on people, from children’s books to most adult books. So if one character becomes gay it shouldn’t be a big deal though to many it suddenly is. Little kids grow up thinking that heterosexuality is the norm (and even to most adults this is true) and when they start feeling attractions towards the opposite gender, they suddenly start feeling like there’s something wrong with them when there isn’t. So many deaths occur just because of this alone.

Sexuality is neither choice nor biological, It just is, people need to start getting used to it. Homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. The very fact that it exists makes it natural. Whether it’s ethical really depends on whether it hurts someone else. Homosexuality isn’t hurting anyone, as such it shouldn‘t be unethical. If one doesn’t have a legitimate reason for having a certain opinion against a particular group then one shouldn’t have that opinion at all.

Soldier, You say you don’t like to hate, then why all the hate against gays?

Roger, “And those who insist that saying Dumbledore is gay is the same as saying he is straight – stop kidding yourselves. By the very definition of the words straight is normal and natural, gay is not. Normal because the vast majority of the population say it is. Natural because that is the way nature intended the species to reproduce.”

Just because the vast majority of the population says so doesn’t make it suddenly “normal”. Also being gay doesn’t make one sterile. Take into consideration infertile people as well. By you definition, their union is unnatural because they’re unable to reproduce and if the purpose of intercourse is to reproduce (and only reproduce) then anybody (even married couples) who sleep together without the intent to make a baby are doing an unnatural act. I’m not terribly fond of straight people slobbering over each other either. That, however, doesn’t mean I’m suddenly going to start a riot trying to ban them to do things or get huffy when I see something like that on TV. I’d change the channel if it gets to be too much.

Greg, Your comment made me tear up. That’s the sweetest most beautiful I’ve ever heard. Dumbledore was a great character, his sexuality shouldn’t change how one feels for him.

I’d also like to point out that I’m not trying to put anyone down and I’m sorry if I come across as such. I’m only giving a reasonable rebuttal to your arguments.

Mr. Blair, “Free of Sexual issues” Mr. Blair I think Celia explained it well. The books are littered with references to heterosexuality as such you can’t say that if JK had put in a Man with a man or women with a women, it would suddenly have sexual references. So if you don’t consider heterosexuality sexuality, you shouldn’t be considering, homosexuality sexuality.

JT, Avalon and onmassave

I couldn’t have explained it better myself, Thank you.

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Wow, how did I get sandwiched by an Upset mum ???

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I think this is wonderful. I’m so proud to be a Potterhead after this revelation. The people who are angry need to go back and look at what these books truly are. They also need to read the rest of that interview in which she says firmly that a huge theme for her novels is teaching tolerance. Go back to Sorceror’s Stone and read the first meeting between Harry and Malfoy. “I don’t think they should let the other kind in,” is what Malfoy says of Muggleborns. That backwards thinking was a gift from his parents. The haters here who angry because of one character’s sexuality and who are snatching the books from their kids are exibiting what Rowling is teaching against and they are doing it without falter or regret. My opinion on what the theme of the Harry Potter series is this: people are what they are and- good or bad- they can’t be anything else. This is a story about people becoming who they are made become and being what they were made to be. Dumbledore is no exception, nor should he be.

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sorry about that. clicked to many times

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If you asked her what hat size DD wore she would say its uniportant. Yet he wore a hat. She only did this to create contraversy (sp?) which she now has done. She made the headlines and she is probably happy. It did not matter. Some people do not know or care. It did not change the outcome of the book. She did it only to create publicity which she now has done. I personally think that it is pathatic but I still like the books. Who cares if the author is crazy.

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true-

or she could have meant both snape and dumbledore…

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she doesn’t need publicity.

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“I’m not the one who parades down streets and forces school to make little children learn about my lifestyle.”

Yeah, you are. If you don’t think everything in mainstream society – including schools and parades isn’t shoving your heterosexual lifestyle that you think is the only natural one down the throats of gays, gay children and children of gays, you’re an idiot. You’re probably a creationist too. But then I repeat myself.

“homosexuality is not natural “

You are an uneducated imbecile. If homosexuality was unnatural, it wouldn’t occur in Nature. Which it does. Frequently.

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At Joy: She teaches tolarance? Are you drinking. One EVIL wizard most likely is gay. And When DD is thinking about ruling the world he is gay. When he becomes straight is is all good and helping. THAT is the message you want to send people? Oh yea real tolarant. She hates homosexuals. Sad.

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@ Slither No she does not need publicity. No one does. She craves it. I had seen no front page headlines about her or HP in months and now this. Wow.

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uh dumble.

who said Grindlewald was that way inclined?

and also DUMBLEDORE IS STILL GAY.

you cant “become straight” you dufus

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Why can’t straight people spell?

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Ring Wraith: You’re correct. Completely dead on.

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im a very confused teen and now i wonder if any one else has a gay relationship. i thought they were just friend and now im grossed out and thick she only did that because she wanted the camras on her

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For the past year or so my daughter and I have sat down nearly every night to read about Harry Potter and his adventures but that has now come to an end. I knew that liberals were disgusting but this is pathetic. With all do respect, homosexuality is a disease that shouldn’t be encouraged with these well-written books.

Sincerely,

A disappointed father

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Mainstream society also tells us it is okay to cheat on our spouses, cuss, kill people, whatever else is in the shows that we watch or see, and a parent can talk to their kids when they see heterosexuality and say, son, I dont want you to do that, it just isnt natural, just as well as another can say that to their children when they see a homosexual couple, we can chose what we teach our kids as acceptable and unacceptable and whether we find it natural or not doesnt matter to one person or another, it isnt going to change what we feel about it either way.

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Who said he ever became straight?

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@ Minisha oh insulting people now. When arguments fail resort to insults. Way to prove your point. Is DD still gay? He is dead is he not. Think before you post. I mean really. Two he danced with a lady (somewhat at the ball) and had no boyfriends. The only time his gayness comes out is in book 7 when he is plotting evil. Read the books geez.

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Here’s the thing: just because Jo’s always thought of Dumbledore as gay doesn’t mean I did. And so, guess what, I still don’t. She invented him, but we, as readers, gave him individual life. There’s as many Dumbledores are there are readers of the books. So, Jo’s Dumbledore may be gay, but mine’s not. I’m sure plenty of people’s versions of Harry are gay. Who really cares. She needs to stop pushing for controversy.

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Dumble: She said Dumbledore IS gay—as in right now. She did not say that he suddenly turned straight after becoming a good wizard. Now you’re the one making things up on the spot.

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Ring wraith- oh and you know her personally then?

listen to pottercast you twerp. those are fans who actually got to know her.

why are you so fired up about this in particular?? she’s been in the paper before more times than this is it because your a backwards neanderthal?

quite possibly…

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@Stop and think; Very intelligent post. I agree. 100 percent

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anonimus: why are you spelling ‘anonymous’ incorrectly? that’s irritating.

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Ring Wraith, Thanks, I appreciate hearing that.

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To sbf The German version of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows will be released on Saturday 27th October. So far we have not heard that ANYONE has canceled their book order – or said in an interview that they won’t go and buy the book because of Dumbledore being gay!

So yes – it seems to me that the American people have a tendency to overact or get exited to news like that – the same people, I’m sorry to say, who send their sons to the middle East into sure DEATH! Please America don’t be insulted if I just said this – act like grown up’s who live in the 21th century. Or don’t be surprised if you are laughed at from the rest of the world. Because after all “The HP books are a fictive world!”

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This whole thing is gay. Gay as in stupid. Way to ruin a large part of harry potter rowling

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to cythia: shutup ok, this whole thing is stupid like u… i went there ( got my fingers snapping at u… do you need to spell check this????)

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@Slither Did I ever say I knew her? Are you ok? I just posted what she said. Calling people names? Very mature of you. I just posted the facts. She has not made front page news or yahoo headlines, ect.. And now she has. She did this because she wants attention. As long as people worship her blindly she will have many people like you who ignore the facts and insult people instead of arguing rationally.

Now I might be wrong. Or I might be right. But I am not going to act like a child and insult people. I have my opinion and a right to defend it. Thank you.

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dumbledore is dead. you cant use is to refer to him.

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Stop and think: I don’t know. Why does Rowling spell ridiculous wrong in the spell “ridikulus?” Punning, mayhap? It’s not now a crime to pun, I hope.

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I am curious as to what message people took away from the series prior to Jo’s announcement. So many people spoke of love, acceptance, etc. and lamented if only the world was like the HP fandom where we could accept any and everyone.

It’s funny how the minute we take it out of a HP context (how could anyone not accept Remus because he was a werewolf, he couldn’t help it! how could anyone not like hagrid as a half-giant, he was sweet and caring and his size shouldn’t matter!) and apply it to real-world circumstances (race, sexual orientation, class, etc.) we suddenly can’t stomach the notion of tolerance and acceptance. It would be okay if Dumbldore were half-elf because that is make believe. But gay Perish the thought. Some fans can accept what will never be but could never understand what is! Fans can accept what will never be (half-giant, werewolf, half-bloods) because it is safe and there is no accountability.

Hopefully children who continue to read the series will be young enough to continue to extrapolate the message of love and acceptance from the text and actually apply it to their everyday lives. Acceptance and unconditional love isn’t something you read about, it is something you do.

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right on nathan and hate cythia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

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It may be ruined for some people. But not for me.

I was slowly begining to resent Jo for her straight laced unrealistic sappily ever after epilogue.

because of this new revelation, i can forgive the epilougue

a bit late because i already cut it out of the book. but meh- i have my perfect story now…

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If they know everything that is going on at all, then why even by the books, she has told plot lines and other things from a week after the books came out, if they truly have been sheltering themselves from the media so they wont know what happened, then maybe they dont know anything about the 7th book until they read it for themselves. You cant say that they arent canceling their books because they are more forward thinking than we are. Being american means being several nationalities in one nation, for all you know I could be anti-gay and german lol or I could be pro gay and born right her in the US ofA.

I wont even respond to the disrespect you showed our american soldiers in your comment.

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I never felt the need to consider any of the characters sexuality. That wasn’t what the book was about. Don’t most kids go through school thinking that their teachers are non-sexual? It’s Jo’s book and character, but does it matter that he loved Grinswald in a physical way, not just as a boyhood best friend?

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Stop and Think:

Ditto! Very well put. Thank you for posting that.

Sometimes I feel that such huge fandoms such as this one what with all the movies, games, toys, theme parks (gag!) clamors for interviews, and the like just destroys the relationship of the book with the reader’s imagination. Sigh. That’s sad.

I mean, I love Harry Potter, and I will read them to my children, but ultimately the only thing that matters is what they see in it themselves, not what Jo or the fandom sees. Whether that means Dumbledore is gay or straight, again I say, so what? It’s whatever they choose to see.

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I took the message that I was right about snape loving lily all along and there was no “moral of the story” for me, I just found it a good read and was interested in finding out who died at the end and who lived. There was no acceptance for an elf if he happens to cross my doorstep. It was just a good story to escape reality for a few years. something to look forward to with the next book/movie.

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I really don’t see the reason Jo needed to disclose this… when I read the part about him and Grindlevald I never picked up any homosexual connotations – to me it read that he was infatuated with the ideal of wizard rule over the muggles that they were discussing at a very low time in DD’s life.

The reason it took so long to DD to confront GW was he obviously felt conflicted about how Ariana’s death occurred and his feelings of friendship for GW… I mean, what if Harry and Ron split up over something similar (like Ginny’s or Hermionie’s death) and Harry heard that Ron became evil… wouldn’t Harry fell conflicted about confronting his old friend?

JK is correct when she says that they are DD is ‘her’ character and she can make him gay if she wants to… but these characters have taken on a life of their own and this ‘revelation’ serves no purpose to the plot of the books.

Now she will have to answer question after question about DD’s sex life INSTEAD of answering more questions about the others characters lives… I ask you, which would you rather read?

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Don’t put on that pompous act, ring wraith. You made an unfounded statement, you deserved it.

bleh

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the reason was that someone asked

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@Slither I did not make a unfounded statement. My statements were all backed up by facts. Your however are flimsy. But that is ok. You can insult me if you like. It does not hurt me. And if it makes you feel better to insult others, feel free to insult me because it slides off.

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The timing of this announcement suggests Jo Rowling was aware of the effect it would have on sales and readership. I have co-workers who would not let their kids read the books because “wizardry is an instrument of the devil”. This will be one more reason to let their intolerance keep their kids from discovering these wonderful books. I’m sure a smart woman like the author is well aware of the uproar this will cause.

By the way, what’s “natural” about wizardry? If you want to keep your children away from any entertainment that includes gay people, better keep them from watching all movies, television and major sports, because, you twits, gay people are EVERYWHERE, leading regular lives, serving our country, paying mortgages and loving their children and standing right behind you in the grocery check-out line.

Somehow I don’t think Jesus preached hate, and I have a funny feeling Saint Paul was a Friend of Dumbledore, if ya know what I mean, wink,wink. That’s why he went nuts on the subject of homosexuality.

Next I’m hoping to find out Professor McGonigall has a hot young boyfriend, but maybe that’s just the 57 year-old wild woman in me talking.

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o rly? good. about your statement: I feel they were mad postulations then.

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at ring. I agree. This is no reasons to insult people. But remember Slither is probably around 10 or so. So its not his fault.

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Ring Wraith: I find it ironic that you’re calling Slither out for insulting you, after all the insults you’ve hurled at Rowling, Dumbledore, and gay people in general.

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I’m a girl

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@Slither; I said she has not been in the mainstream headlines. That is fact. I said she did not need to tell anything that it did not change the outcome of the book one way or the other. That is fact. I said she did it because she craves attention. That was opinion.

YOu have not backed up anything you have said with facts. You however felt free to insult me. I am sure that JK would be proud of you insulting people. Since you said she preaches tolerance in her books. I think that was you. That is really tolerant to insult people when you cannot make a point with truth.

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Sbf I don’t want to argue with you… ..maybe my English is not understandable. I am not showing disrespect to the American soldiers. I feel sorry that they have to go to a war which is senseless and I feel sorry for them. We in Europe have not forgotten what we owe the American’s who saved the world many a time! But then please don’t insult our Media over in Switzerland. We may be a small country but our News are accurate and bless me – we do have CNN or all kind of English channels..so yes we are informed what is going on in the world – and our children will know this Saturday – that Hogwarts Headmaster is gay.

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I have not insulted Dubledore. Not once. I do not care if he was gay. Just no reason to bring it up. NEver insulting Rowling either. Point out those post will you.

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but is that your only concern? you wouldn’t protest so much unless you had something against the subject being discussed by the media…

implying that you are intolerant.

do you think jo “preaches” tolerance of intolerance?

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Oh by the way how can one insult a fictional character. Some would say that is impossible.

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Personally, I call shenanigans and think this is some kind of publicity stunt because, honestly, I didn’t see anything in the books pointing him to be a gay character. He was a figurehead in a children’s book. So what if he didn’t have a relationship with a woman? He didn’t have one with a man, either. So what, beyond publicity, would be the reason for Rowling to out Dumbledore after the series had come to a close and there wasn’t any real, concrete evidence in the books pointing to him being gay? I personally think it’s a little ridiculous that Rowling’s being lauded as being so brave as to have included a gay character in her books when there wasn’t really anything pointing to that in the first place!

It’s just so odd to me that she’d make this announcement after the series came to a close. It doesn’t change the books for me at all. It wouldn’t’ve changed the books for me had she announced this within the confines of her literature. But it just seems to me to be some kind of ploy so far after the fact.

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But you did not see it that way doesn’t mean it wasn’t meant that way.

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in response to some comments made here, yes i do think homosexuality is not natural, but that is not the point. my point is that Rowling decided to wait untill after she was rich and sold millions of books to make this declaration. and it think that it proves how greedy she is, she knew that if she had done so before she would not have sold as many books and certainly a lot of people would not have let their kids read the books… its dishonest from her and disrespectful to do what she did. i do not hate gay people but i do think is not natural, throwing things with your arms is natural, that is what arms are for (this is in response to some early comments saying that throwing a baseball is not natural but people do it.. just like homosexuality). i do not care if all of the characters are gay, i just think that she should have said so before so that people who do not agree with such tendencies could decide not to buy the books. one more thing i receive ome criticism about my grammar, i live in Venezuela and my native language is spanish so i apologize for any mispelling or other kinds of errors in my writing.

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Ring Wraith: Right, because being asked the question is no reson to bring it up. She should’ve just lied or refused answer. Sure. And I think you’re projecting onto Jo: Just because you crave attention, doesn’t mean that every time a celebrity reveals shocking news that they’re doing it to get noticed. Sometimes people actually have a legitimate motive for letting out information that happens to be startling. Promoting tolerance is a fine example of such a motive.

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@Slither. I really think something is affecting your mind. Not trying to be insulting but your last post was confusing. You did not answer any post by bringing up facts. You did not address the fact that you showed intollerance for other peoples idea’s when you insult them. And I only brought up the media when pointing out that I though JK wanted to be in it.

Once again the whole of my argument is: There is no reason whatsoever for JK to bring this up unless she wants to get more media attention. There was hundreds of ways to answer the question without offending anyone or causing an uproar. Why did she do it then. To get back into the media’s attention.

But feel free to call me intolerant, I am not the one calling people neanderthals.

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”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

The readers have the right to read whatever they want into your characters. It becomes theirs. No wonder why she rants about snape being bad all the time whenever she hears some readers form different views. The woman doesn’t understand that. What a control freak.

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@G: That is what I am saying. Be carefull they will be insulting you next. lol

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michele, exactly what does the Iraqi war have to do with this subject? And as for the ‘acceptance’ of the Germans—what’s accepting about killing the Jews?

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interesting that people didn’t jump down JKR’s throat when Molly Weasley, the role model mom of all kids, openly cursed in the book. Note, many characters curse in the books, but this is the only open speech evidence of the choice of words. And people don’t think it’s necessary to pull the books out of their children’s bookshelves. But DD being gay suddenly opens a can of worms. I really do feel for him. First he is stuck at home taking care of his sick sister after loosing his mother, than he finds his equal and gets drawn like bee to honey (they did exchange nightly owls – did you miss that part of the book?); and then he is literally blinded by love and suddenly everything comes clean, his “soulmate” leaves and his sister is dead. Really sad…

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Ring Wraith, let me repeat: I think you’re projecting onto Jo: Just because you crave attention, doesn’t mean that every time a celebrity reveals shocking news that they’re doing it to get noticed. Sometimes people actually have a legitimate motive for letting out information that happens to be startling. Promoting tolerance is a fine example of such a motive.

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I think that is exactly the point. your opinion toward homosexuality biases how you think about the entire matter. Suddenly Jo seems to be this huge money greedy person.

because you cant even comprehend this being a normal thing 9not even worth the front page). i found a very very small article about it on pg 23 in my local paper.

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Again, I must point out that most children will not even know about this announcement. And, if they are not told about it, when they read it, they will just see that Dumbledore cared for Grindewald like a friend. And again, I know others have said this, but feel I must reiterate, that she has mentioned a lot of things after the fact, like Neville and Hannah, and Harry being an auror, etc.

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@ Anonimus; At least your arguing rationally. I will be glad to discuss the point with you. But I would like to understand how by making that comment she is promoting tolerance. Look at this message board for example. Very little tollerance. And all comeing from her statement. Now I have not addressed the gay issue. In fact I said it does not change the book and I still like it. I am just addressing her comments.

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I’m at a loss why someone would reveal something shocking other than for gaining attention.

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Sadly, however, idiots reproduce every day.

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But it isn’t shocking. Not in England.

where is everyone from? btw (just curious)

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I’m not here to argue that this has promoted tolerance. What I am here to argue is that it was her GOAL to promote tolerance. Whether she was successful in that attempt is a different issue altogether.

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I must say I’m a bit confused as to why one of the arguably most-famous women on the planet would need publicity or why one whose net worth is greater than the Queen would need more money, but since these statements are made with such adamant sincerity and absolutely no apparent fear of libel, I must assume that all of those making them know her personally and can testify to them as fact. Interesting.

For all who are so concerned about supporting some alleged gay agenda, you indeed have a daunting task in your entertainment choices. May I suggest you refer to Wikipedia’s list of gay and bisexual persons as a handy guide while it is still only 28 pages – online, that is. I’m positive all concerned citizens will want to print a copy and refer to it before seeing any movies or plays, visiting any art galleries, purchasing and/or reading any books, listening to any music, watching any television or indulging in any other entertainment options.

Remember, though, this is only a list of the relatively-famous. You will have to perform your own due diligence regarding local entities to make certain, for example, that the restaurant you’re about to eat at or the store you’re about to shop in doesn’t employ any homosexuals. For circumstances in which you are not able to make such inquiries, such as while you or a loved one is being wheeled into the hospital trauma room with moments to live after a car accident, I suggest a card to be carried in your wallet along with your insurance stating that you will only consent to attendance by heterosexual personnel. If a completely-heterosexual staff is not available, then you and your family will have the satisfaction of knowing that death was not too high a price to pay for remaining unsullied.

Of course, there’s always the option of realizing that homosexual people have existed since the beginning of recorded history and it really should be a non-issue by now, but if you think it’s wrong and want to teach your children the same, fine. That’s up to you. Feel free to burn the entire Harry Potter series because of something that isn’t mentioned. Ms. Rowling isn’t telling you how to raise your children or how to think, and you cannot tell her what she should have been thinking about her copyrighted characters when she created them, or what she can or cannot say about them in response to reader questions. Please, write your own books if you think you can do a better job, but for pity’s sake, some of you, invest in a spell-checker before you do.

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if: Have you never told someone something shocking with a goal other than gaining attention? If not, I truly pity you.

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I’m from England.

was it in many papers here?

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Well I am gone. Got real life things to do but I would say how does anyone know what her goals were. They COULD have been to promote tolerance and they COULD have been to get her back onto the front page. I think the latter but the former is just as good as argument as any I guess. I do not believe it however. I am gone.

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Oh boy, I can’t believe there still people out there like Whitney and Co. How can homosexuallity be wrong? It has existed forever and always will.

I love the fact that DD is gay. Way to go!

If you don’t want your children to know he is gay, don’t tell them. It’s not in the books, they won’t be able to read it between the lines.

But I pray to God that none of your unfortunate children will turn out gay one day.

Yeez.

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Hellsing: Very nicely said! You make great points.

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I don’t think it was in many papers here. (just small articles) ???

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Bye Ring Wraith, I hope Slither follows you out. Then insted of wasting time and space with the bickering and nonsence that both of you are spewing at each other, those of us who have oppinions concerning the book and Jo’s anouncemnet can have a nice grown up discussion. Have a good day.

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Yet is hate the greatest immorality.

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He started it.

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Wow, just looked at the pics. So jealous how photogenic she is.

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Making everyone admire DD before revealing this last bit of information was very clever, and somewhat manipulative.

Quotation from the net: “Rowling declined to say whether her “outing” of Dumbledore might alienate those who disapprove of homosexuality.” (from: http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=entertainmentNews&storyID=2007-10-23T152444Z_01_N23210446_RTRUKOC_0_US-ARTS-ROWLING.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage2)

Of course it might… But I am sure Rowling thinks she is doing so “for the greater good”...

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I gotta say I always thought Dumbledore would be quite the ladies man… apparently not :)

Couldn’t care less if Dumbledore (or anyone real or fictional) is gay though, Dumbledore is the greatest wizard in the world, always has been and always will be. He had a dodgy past, and could be a tad manipulative, but when it comes down to it he’s a really great guy. And good on JKR for standing up for herself, she rocks!

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Oh come on people. Stop being so narrow minded! It’s just a fiction character. I love HP as much as anyone else on here, but come on. Get over yourselves. There’s more important issues to argue about in the world than the sexuality of a fictional character.

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I understand J.K. is the author and all but it just makes no sense why she would state that Dumbeldore is gay! There is no real mention of it in the book and no declaration that he ever had any type of love life. So why did she just now decide to say anything about it if it doesn’t even hint that he was gay in any of the books. I have no problem with the character being gay or straight it just seems like saying he is gay now is just because she wants media headlines. I loved the whole HP series but I just don’t think it really made any sense to say it because it has nothing to do with the book. I also think she might be doing it now to try to get even more people to pick up the book and analyze that character which the book isn’t based on.

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Isn’t there anyone on this board happily shipping the new cannon pairing?

I feel like I’m having a party at a funeral.

blows party blower

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Congrats JO! It takes courage and you are an example to the civilized world.

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First of all: about the choice issue. To the heterosexuals: if you tried really really hard, do you think it would be possible to have enjoyable “relations” with a member of the same sex? No? Well that’s the way it is for homosexuals and they don’t have any more choice over it than you have; otherwise I guarantee many of them would choose heterosexuality just to avoid the hassles from morons like… well like a few (thankfully very few) of the people here.

I would just like to remind the real potterheads here that I think the gaybashers here never actually read a Harry Potter book. They’re just trolls here to spread their hate-speech. Why? Misery loves company and nothing makes people more miserable than authority forcing them to arbitrarily hate some random group for completely made up reasons.

Most of the gaybashers are actually closet cases themselves. It’s just that this is the only way for them to safely (because the rest of their family or neighborhood is probably made up of bigots too) discuss homosexuality. That or their just inbred morons. You can tell by looking at what’s happened to many of the gaybashing politicians. They all get caught in homosexual affairs.

Either way, if these tourists (or trolls as some call them) actually read (or understood) the books, they would understand the importance of tolerance and understanding.

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Baradore,

there is no mention only if you can’t read between the lines. To many people that fact was already quite obvious.

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yeh, the subtext is quite clear (clearer than early R/Hr) if your adapted to reading it. (as all HP fans should be of course)

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Slither and Minisha, it got a brief mention in the Scottish and English Sunday papers including this quote from the gay rights group Stonewall, “It’s great that JK has said this. It shows that there’s no limit to what gay and lesbian people can do, even being a wizard headmaster.” LOL. I thought that was a brilliant and very funny quote from gay rights campainger with his/her head screwed on. Well done.

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thanks Lisa hands over a slice of cake

anyone have info about US press?

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Thanks! I could do with a slice of cake to go with my cup of tea as I sit down to watch the telly ;o)

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There is no place for introduction of the Gay Lifestyle in a CHILDREN’s BOOK. I am shocked, disappointed, and am considering getting rid of all of my books and DVD’s. This is shameful and enfuriates me that JKR would use her celebrity to promote a cause which is deviant and wrong and has no place in mainstream society. How dare she? Children should be allowed to be CHILDREN and their innocence should be guarded and preserved. SHAME ON HER.

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To If You asked what the American war in Iraq had to do with this discussion. If you have read ALL of the comments you would know why I responded to SFB comment. I quote: Seems that Americans take everything to the extreme, whatever it is, so that is why we get more worked up about it. And please it was not necessary to put that comment about the German’s. First of all, I am Swiss – you know where Switzerland is, yes? It’s that small country who helped hiding the Jews! So your nice little “torrent of hatred” backfired on you! And with your comment you have proven why we are still arguing for hours now!

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I’m not going to mince words here. If you honestly think she did this to boost sales, you’re stupid. Think about it for a second. Is homosexuality accepted by society? Generally speaking, no; as many of the comments here show, homosexuality is very widely hated. It logically follows, then, that revealing this information could serve only to hurt the book’s sales. Already many of you so-called fans have begun to despise Jo and her books (which makes me pity any of your friends or family who might be considering coming out: you’d probably send them death threats; in the very least you’d refuse to associate with them). I am confidant when I predict that we’ll see a significant drop in sales after this. Jo was willing to make that sacrifice in order to get a heartfelt message out. We should admire her for that, not wallow in petty hatred.

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lawlz.

RW- there should definitely be a place…

only then will the next generation be able to overcome prejudices we were brought up with.

that will be the end of hate ie racism, sexism, homophobia. the world will be a more beautiful place yes?

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Here is an excerpt from an article on Time Magazine’s website today: “So along comes Rowling with Dumbledore—a human being, a wizard even, an indisputable hero and one of the most beloved figures in children’s literature. Shouldn’t I be happy to learn he’s gay?

Yes, except: Why couldn’t he tell us himself? The Potter books add up to more than 800,000 words before Dumbledore dies in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and yet Rowling couldn’t spare two of those words—”I’m gay”—to help define a central character’s emotional identity? We can only conclude that Dumbledore saw his homosexuality as shameful and inappropriate to mention among his colleagues and students. His silence suggests a lack of personal integrity that is completely out of character.”

J.K. Rowling is contradicting herself. She is saying that his sexuality wasn’t a big deal, and she’s also saying that his feelings for G were his great tragedy. The brave thing to do would’ve been to mention his feelings for G in the book - she wouldn’t have had to use the word “gay” and it would’ve been taken by many as “Oh, that’s cool.” But she waited until her zillions of books were sold and then provides it as an answer to an audience member’s question - and it wasn’t even a direct answer. Her announcement at this time and in this manner was cowardly and certainly appears to be designed for shock value and of course more sales.

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maybe someone could ask her why on earth she didn’t include it in the book explicitly?

was she pressured? i really want to know…

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Oh no watch out peeves is coming

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Yes, I wish someone would ask her why she didn’t include it in the books, when it became an important part of his character development. Her millions of loyal readers accepted references to the Nazis, horrendous murders, torture scenes … why didn’t she think we could accept a gay character?

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I agree with the time article. She is a great writer and a great self promoter as she has proven by saying this

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“Mr and Mrs Drusley, of number four privet drive, where proud to say they where perfectly normal, thank you very much” these words are familiar aren’t they ? I guess some people need to think about this in relation with what happens later.

Society try to say this is “normal” , “normal” being what the majority do/think whatever. But that don’t mean it’s the right way. Or that it’s the only right way.

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I know… Why conform to social norms? think for yourselves and let others do what they want if its harmless.

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DeannaLii: Right, because not broadcasting your sexual orientation indicates that you’re ashamed of it. I myself am gay, and I have never felt the need to blurt it out. If someone asks me, I will tell them straight to their face that I most certainly am gay, and defend myself vehemently. Until asked, however, I see no need to bring it up; for one thing, I’d be accused of needlessly “forcing” it on others. I imagine Dumbledore had a similar stance (assuming homosexuality isn’t simply a non-issue in the wizarding world, in which case his silence becomes even easier to understand).

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Uh Anonimus Dumbeldore was not a real person. SO I do not think anyone asked him. If he was real as you seem to claim then JKR was wrong in outting him. I still doubt he is real though.

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that doesn’t matter, Dumble he is speaking hypothetically.

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If your not ashamed of your homosexuality why do you post under Anonimus?

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So your saying JKR only Hypothetically outed him?

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what does that have to do with being gay?

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You see what i mean. Look at all the intolerance we have for each other on this board. What do you think the next PTA meeting will look like. The kids loose on this one…..but hopefully only temporarily. At some point they will be old enough to decide for themselves.

Maybe that is what Jo’s thinking. The thing is that Jo was careful to say DD was gay in her mind. The thing that most people will miss is that he can be whatever you want him to be.

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I’m not surprised that Dumbledore is gay. It clears up a lot about his relationship with Grindelwald and why he acted the way he did.

What I am surprised about is some of the fans reactions. It’s almost as if those who are taking this news badly have missed the entire message of the Harry Potter books….Tolerance, acceptance and love. The books taught us from the beginning that prejudices exist and how bad they can be. It doesn’t matter if you’re muggle born, half giant, house elf, half blood, male, female, Gryffindor, Slytherins, Hufflepuff, Ravenclaw, black, white, Asian, Christian, Islamic, straight or gay.

Jo was asked by a fan if Dumbledore ever experienced love and she answered truthfully. She told the fan how she had always imagined Dumbledore to be. I have no doubt when she was writing book 7 and the letters from Dumbledore to Grindelwald that she knew Dumbledore was in love with him.

What I find upsetting is that if Jo would have said Dumbledore was in love with a girl when he was young but never had a family, there would be no “controversy”. People wouldn’t be complaining about knowing his sexual orientation because Dumbledore being straight would be acceptable, but because she answered truthfully that this wise great wizard, that many love and think so highly of is gay and loved another man, people now want to change their minds about him and the books…? Wow, that’s too bad. I guess you really did miss the messages of the Harry Potter books then.

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here is the link to te times article: http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1674550,00.html

DeannaLii, thanks for pointing that article out to us. People should read it. JK is speaking point side of her month in this issue, and why or why not it wasn’t in the book.

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he he he, o by the way peevesy having lots to say Snapey’s bravy all the way did you know dumble’s gay peevesy aint fussy any day

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I never said Dumbledore is a real person. Where you’re getting this, I have no idea.

I post under Anonimus because I dislike my name; also for the same reasons you post under an alias.

A relevant self-quote:

The people who keep saying that she didn’t put this in Book 7 are being unfair. She did put the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindlewald in the book; she just didn’t go right out and label it as romantic. As someone myself who dabbles in writing, I can testify to the fact that you don’t spell every little thing out to the readers. There are some things that you let the reader infer for himself, and Dumbledore’s sexual orientation is a prime candidate (the alternative would be shocking many readers so much that they would require the next several hours to digest the information and get on with the story—never a good thing for a book).

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he he he, o by the way.

peevesy having lots to say.

Snapey’s bravy all the way.

did you know dumble’s gay.

peevesy aint fussy any day

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I don’t understand what you are trying to ask me Dumble.

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Hey I am like DD I love gays. Just wondereing why one of the most EVIL wizards in her book is gay. And why when DD was thinking evil thoughts he was gay. Yet all the best people; Harry, Ron, James, Lupin, are hetrosexual. I think JR hates gays. And that is just wrong.

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This is interesting!! I am in Canada, and while it didn’t surprise me that DD was gay – when reading the book, I thought ” hmmmmmm, that’s interesting’ a few times in reference to DD and GNGLWLD – what has surprised me is the a- the intensity of the interest in this b- the fact, that some parents ( and I am one too..) would be taking the books from their kids…just because now, they know DD is gay.

Frankly..that is petty and lame. If you have different values then the culture around you, explain it to your kids, teach them about it..why you believe what you do – invite them to think about it. If you don’t – your kids will eventually..kick down what it is you have ’ forced upon’ them and will create their own new reality.

Trust me – growing up Jewish in a christian society – your messages, beliefs etc, are ” shoved down our throats” to qoute Whitney, every single day. We don’t complain, it is what it is, we teach our own values, we don’t pretend it doesn’t exist. We don’t run in fear, yelling at our children ” No! No! No!”

Perhaps JO, wanted us to think about the greater message of the HP books…it is all about diversity, tolerence and learning to understand, what truly motivated people…and not to judge ( look what we did to Snape…who turned out to be a hero as well…)

Keep on thinking folks…its our only hope!!

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Jo, you are great! Take your time writing the encyclopedia, you deserve a break.

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Quite frankly, I’m appalled by the fandom’s reaction to this news. Jo has always viewed Dumbledore as being a homosexual. Therefore Dumbledore has always been gay, we just haven’t noticed. This small point should not be something that will turn you off of the books completely. Homosexuality is not a choice. I don’t care what you say, from my personal experience, it is not a choice.

Dumbledore is gay, accept it. Homosexuality is a fact of life. Sheltering our children is not the way to deal with it, because that will just breed more narrow-minded people.

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I’m going to reiterate my point that these are NOT CHILDREN’S BOOKS. For heaven’s sake, stop acting like your children are suddenly victims of J. K. Rowling’s decisions! I personally have faith in her and am shocked that everyone keeps belittling this brilliant woman for answering a simple question honestly.

While the first few books may have been targeted at a younger audience, that can hardly be the case with the last ones. Children can enjoy the books, certainly, but there’s a REASON that the movie adaptations are PG-13. There are so many heavy, serious situations in the books that parents could worry about, but this revelation, something that’s not even STATED in the books, is what parents are pitching a fit about? No one cares that in the actual books the characters witness the cold, ruthless horrors of war, experience torture at the hands of evil people, or watch their parents commit murder? No one cares that many children probably learned the word “bitch” from Molly Weasley? Why would someone complain so much about the “gay lifestyle” appearing in these books when there are lifestyles in the books that actually give the reader a RELEVANT reason to be opposed to them? Gay is NOT EVIL.

When you chose to let your children read books with real issues in them, don’t start trying to filter out the things that YOU don’t like. Either let them learn about the world and hope they’ll grow into more tolerant adults than you are yourself or continue to hide their heads under your aprons in the hopes that they’ll remain ignorant.

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Misha do not worry. YOu will figure it out one day.

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Dumbledore was good… and gay…

i think he was gay and then because he was gay for grindy, he wanted to impress him, and went with his crazy schemes for world domination…

he was gay all his life- evil moments be damned.

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If you consider Dumbledore one of the most evil characters in the books, you have some serious issues, my friend. And Dumbledore was also gay when he was thinking good thoughts and risking his life in the war against evil. Your point=refuted.

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Silabub They have always been touted by the book company as Children/young adult books. Now you are saying they are not. Are you the publisher or advertiser? If so why do you change your stance now? And if not then how can you make such a statement.

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The sexuality of Dumbledore was really unimportant and as it has now been presented post-publication, becomes the main focus of the character. I find this entirely unfortunate because it takes what has been, up until now, a classic story for the ages and tosses it into a very unsavory arena that is riddled with social and cultural divisions. In other words, the harmony that bound the story to the masses has now been dissected and left to the wolves of social politics.

It will no doubt be cheered by the gay community, ripped to pieces by social conservatives and give parents, already wary from media accounts of pedophilia across the entire social structure, one big reason to second guess this series for their child’s library.

Regardless of the right/wrong issues of the gay lifestyle, this event will be most remembered as a dark day for the Potter series because it was first and foremost a wholly unnecessary one.

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Dumble… why don’t you explain it to me right now to save me the trouble?

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I consider the wizard he was consorting with one of the most evil characters in the book. Did you read it? How do you know DD did not change his lifestyle when he was risking his life? Since we are drawing conclusions and not using facts then how do you know that the only reason he was fighting V the second time was because of an affair he was having with Harry?

Maybe the first time he fought him it was a lovers spat. I mean as long as we are jumping to conclusions. Your point+Refuted.

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Poor J.K. Rowling. She thought this was the 21st century and that people were tolerant. I have a message for all of you: stop shoving your disgusting lifestyle down my throat. You women stop talking about what your husband won’t do in bed, stop holding hands in public, stop reading books about a 16 year old boy and girl kissing, stop putting all these mixed gender couples on television, and on billboards. Keep your disgusting little secrets behind closed doors where they belong.

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I dont think he wants to wast his time Minisha. I think it was a joke. Since you were talking hypothetically about a point you did not even start.

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Why are you assuming Grindlewald was gay then Dumble? for all you know, Dumbledores feelings could have been unrequited.

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Mike: The books have always been about challenging those social and cultural divisions, with blood purity and elf discrimination as clear metaphors. If you failed to grasp that, you clearly didn’t read the books very carefully.

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True Minisha but since everyone else is jumping to conclusions about things I just thought it was ok for me to as well

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“I’m going to reiterate my point that these are NOT CHILDREN’S BOOKS. For heaven’s sake, stop acting like your children are suddenly victims of J. K. Rowling’s decisions! I personally have faith in her and am shocked that everyone keeps belittling this brilliant woman for answering a simple question honestly”

Is that why only school age kids were allowed in this book tour except one. Is that why they always restrict these kind of events to 18 and under. Is that why they are classified in the childrens section in the book stores. wheather you see it as children book or not doesn’t matter. They are marketed as a children book.

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I believe she said that Dumbledore’s love was unrequited. Grindelwald was probably not gay, then.

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With all respect, i think it was pretty obvious anonimus was speaking hypothetically.

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I really feel sorry for the lovely tolerant people who are trying to reason with or talk sense to the homophobic bigots on this board (who insist that they are not bigots out of one side of their mouth while saying the most incredibly bigoted things out of the other side). I HOPE J.K. Rowling RUINED the series for you bigots. It’s what you deserve. To the lovely tolerant people—give it up, they won’t talk sense, they won’t answer questions, they’ll just spew out more filth and claim it’s because of the Bible. It’s no use to try to talk to them, explain things, tell them 4000 times that lesbiand and gays don’t molest children, that there are gay animals in nature, etc. etc. They won’t get it – they won’t change. However, it’s the MIDDLE of the road people who WILL change thanks to the incredible courage and integrity of J.K. Rowling. Someone else said that this whole thing is like a Foe Glass which has illuminated all the little Death Eaters among us. She is my hero!

Susan

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Exactly Minisha. You are getting it. He was speaking hypothetically about DD. And So was Dumble. And there you go. Solved.

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It doesn’t matter if they’re children’s books or not. It’s not going to kill a child to receive some exposure to reality, to learn that-horror of horrors-a man can love a man. My God, you act like she told us Dumbledore was a necrophile or something.

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I think calling people Bigots is wrong and just as bad as insulting homosexuals.

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WTG JO! ‘EAR! ‘EAR! ‘EAR!

she’s just so freaking amazing. .

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It is not JR job to educate our kids. Nor does she have the credentials to do so. I have to disagree with you on this Anonimus.

P.S. How do you know he was not a necrophile? No one has asked her yet. If they do they may recieve a shocking answer. Lke the last person who asked about his sexuality

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People deserve to be called bigots if they’re going to express baseless hatred against others. That is what a bigot is.

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I didn’t say that Dumbledore was not a necrophile; I said, quite plainly, that some of you are acting as though she said he was.

I never said it was her job to educate other people’s children. That doesn’t mean, however, that she doesn’t have a right to have a homosexual on her own book’s cast. By all means, shove your kids under a rock, and tell them that reality conforms to your prejudices. Meanwhile the real world will carry on.

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waves grindledore banner

I don’t think Jo has gone the wrong way about this at all…

theres so much depth to Dumbledores story now fangirls

clues

- Grindlewald was blond, laughing delighted (ie cute and striking) - the boys “took to each other at once” - they got on like a cauldron on fire - the owl in the middle of the night - esp in the letter (this was your mistake at durmstrang- but i do not complain because if you had not been expelled we would never have met) - you have no idea about how his ideas caught me, inflamed me… -wasted and useless… an then he came(dumbledore looked directly into harry s eyes)... Grindlewald

these are just the ones off the top of my head…

but oh gods, so much love… poor Albus…

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It’s my belief, and I maintain that they’re not intended only for kids. Harry Potter as a series is UNIVERSAL. Adults enjoy them, teenagers enjoy them, and mature children do, certainly.

Children’s books are ones such as Charlotte’s Web, Winnie the Pooh, and Babe. There are no harsh issues, little to no violence or bad language, just whimsical, moral fluff befitting a primary-school child’s earliest reading experiences. Harry Potter is not something I would place in that category. Philosopher’s Stone and Chamber of Secrets WERE children’s books, but MATURE children’s books. Since then the characters have grown up, and the situations became darker, more serious, and quite adult, but why would booksellers assign them to a new category as the books grew more serious? Perhaps that’s why the books are still sold in those categories. I would agree that books are, if anything, Young Adult books. But I would NOT put Deathly Hallows under the category of children’s books with Dr. Seuss and Grimm’s Fairy Tales. I happen to work in a bookstore, and our Harry Potter books are under the General Fiction and Young Adult sections.

This only proves that tolerance can’t be taught and the point of my previous post was completely missed.

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haha I Also figured that Elphias Doge had been harboring a wicked (likely unrequited) crush on Dumbledore.

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haha vitamin. so true. wow whitney and others. wow. your responses truly make me sick. you aren’t gay, that’s fine. you think its gross because you AREN’T gay. but it doesn’t make it wrong. did Jesus ever say anything about it? not that we know of. I’m a christian and i am all about human rights. if you aren’t a fan anymore for something like this, then fine. get over it and leave the site and Jo alone.

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Well, what a relief is it for me to know that JKR now feels “free” by letting everyone know one of literatures favorite characters is gay after the series has ended. I wonder if she gave any thought to the backlash? I’ve already heard Ryan Seacrest on E! ask about DD’s “magic wand”. Lovely. My all time favorite books are now going to be fodder for all the comedians to make fun of in the same disgusting way Seacrest did. And also, parents who were leary about letting their kids read HP because it involves magic now have another reason not to let them. This unnessary revolation by JK will now prevent kids from ever getting to read these wonderful stories. Hey, but she can relax now and THAT’S what’s really important. :(

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So Anonimus your saying that if someone does not raise thier kids in a manner you find correct then they are shoving them under a rock and should tell them that reality conforms to thier prejudices? Wow. That defines bigot.

IF, and I say IF, she markets her book a certan way then she has responcibilities. You do not get out of any responcibilities by claiming it is my book and I will do what I want with it. However Dumbledore (sp?) never confesses he was gay in the book. And should not effect anyone who is reading it. If you do not want him to be gay then he is not. At least in the book in which you paid 20 dollars for. Now maybe in the author’s mind he is. But once you put your book out there people have a right to interpet it their own way. They do not need anyones permission.

I have no problem with her saying he is gay. No one has to tell thier kids that he is, it is a work of fiction.

A parent has a right to educate their kids in a manner they agree with. Within limits of course. Some kids are ready for things at a different age. At least in America you have the right to move your kid into a school that reflects your views. To say that your giving them a bad education just because you do not agree with it is a narrow viewpoint.

My opinion only

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Susan is right. I love her “Foe Glass” metaphor. The Death Eaters among HP readership expose themselves!

Jo showed us, maybe unwillingly, just how much lots of people are not as tolerant as they think they are.

First: Hello!? Dumbledore is HER character. Entirely hers. And yes, it looks like he’s gay and still an admirable figure. Live with it, people who are disgusted by this news. I don’t share your feelings.

Whitney, CHE and others: You should rent “Kinsey” if you’re old enough, because there are things you obviously don’t understand in human sexuality.

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I think it is sad that people are undermining children’s intelligence. Many children already know about homosexuality and too many parents are sheltering their kids from reality. So yes, it is still a children’s book! I know when I have kids I am going to have them read HP and I will tell them about DD being gay. Their is no point in sheltering a child from something that is no big deal. If you claim your children don’t know about homosexuality just ask.. cause I bet they do.

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susan. yeah, that part sucks. it sucks that parents want to stick their kids under a rock for their life. but jo wanting to explain more about a character is HER CHOICE. its her book. its her character. we don’t own it. i commend Jo.

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Frankly, I’m rather shocked at all of this banter. For me it solely enhances the story and allows me to better understand the plot through Dumbledore’s eyes. I am a youth, and my life has not been torn apart by this news. I think that it is our duty in the world to learn as much as we can about different philosophies and lifestyles to understand where people are coming from and why they think the way they do, in order to be accepting and to keep ignorance at bay. Please pay attention to what I say; this is you future generation talking. People may have to learn to understand; who wants to go through life as an ignorant complainer? Do not get me wrong, I respect what everyone else thinks but am also expressing my opinion.

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I’d just like to remember one important distinction. To believe that homosexual actions are wrong is not equal to being a “bigoted gay-basher / gay-hater /etc.” (I’m not replying to anyone in specific here, BTW)

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oh so homosexuality is to harsh for kids, but violence, language, and other aspects of the books are ok?

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haha I Also figured that Elphias Doge had been harboring a wicked (likely unrequited) crush on Dumbledore. Posted by Minisha on October 23, 2007 @ 05:54 PM

Me too, I just reread that part. The way he talks about Dumbledore..who knows. =)

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I am so disappointed. I had hoped that JKR would not succumb to typical limelight political correctness that so many fall prey to. This revelation added nothing to the plot. It served no purpose other than to use her new found notoriety to make a political statement. If it was so important to DD’s character, why not mention it in the books? Because she knew it would harm sales. Why not just leave it up to the reader’s imagination and avoid such a polarizing subject? Why embroil these loveable characters in controversy? Why give close-minded bigots something else to complain about? It reminds me of an old adage, “Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.” Sighhhhh.

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I think it nearly does equal that. because that is the main reason why there is gay bashing… if that feeling was irradicated, there’d be no more bashing. :(

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I’ll be the third person to say that I got the strong impression Elphias had a thing for Dumbledore. My first thought when I read the phrase “our mutual attraction,” in reference to him and Dumbledore, was, What, am I about to find out Dumbledore was gay?! But then nothing much more conclusive was said, so I left the book as an agnostic on the issue.

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I agree bb. Many people on here have stated that very fact. But so many think that no matter what JR can do no wrong. That she is perfect in every way.

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I think Dumbledore put it best when he said that it’s our choices who make us who we really are. Were Dumbledore a real person, his homosexuality would not be his choice.

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It added such depth to the plot BB.

it was “love” again… (the main theme of the books?)

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WwW: Yes, as it obviously leads to hatred and bashing.

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lillink. that was a great point. thanks for writing it :)

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aw. poor elphias. he was dumbledores “sidekick” if i recall… i must find some fanfic regarding this…

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I wish she was kidding..

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No, i think you’ll find he was talking about Grindlewald…

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Grindlewald’s ideas “caught and inflamed dumbledore”...

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My school won tickets to the event today in toronto and the librarian told me I could go…..then the contest runners put a 15 year old age limit on the tickets we won. Ridiculous!

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Excuse me. DD is not Jo’s character, he belongs to us all. If you want him to be gay then let him be gay. If you don’t then let him be straight. Who cares. Its all up to you,not Jo

Listen to all of you… The PTA’s and the talking heads on the 24 hour news channels will be spewing the same crap that’s on this board for a month.

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threeghin: I read the seven books, and nothing suggested Dumbledore was “around little boys”. Never.

Go ahead. Let your imagination run wild. Imagining (because it all comes from YOUR assumptions) a criminal behavior from a character who happens to be homosexual, is slander. And yes, “gay-bashing”.

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threegihn. i’m not positive if you are serious or not. but just to be safe, i’m going to assume you are.

where did you get your information? i’m guessing nowhere, since the highest percentage of people molesting or sexually abusing children is STRAIGHT males. have you ever thought that gay males just want to… gasp teach?

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I know its no use arguing. but i want people to believe, to be convinced that Dumbledore is the same person he always was, and that his sexuality is a pure honest and human thing…

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Child molester?? How did we get there??

Well if that’s what you want him to be….thats pretty sick though. I guess all hetero men molest little girls…..

If you loved the books and don’t like a gay DD, then let him be straightas he was in your mind all these years. It’s your choice

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That just shows you how UGLY some people are. They prejudice against gay people so much that to them, gay = pedophile. Illogical and irrelevent, total hypocrite and just very very ugly believes. No matter how honorable person a gay person is, he will be under suspicious of (and always assume guilty) being predatory toward boys. Shame on the lot of you who made ‘how dare she have a great hero as gay” a big deal and accused Dumbledore like Rita Skeeter. You all are (you know who you are, hypocrites!) the ones who have an ugly mind and deprave soul, at best are like Uncle Vernon, at worst just liket he Malfoys and Pureblood maniac.

These angry fans really tainted my image of American Christians, I never knew there were so many zealot fundamentalists. I pity their children, to have suffer under such intolerant bigot parents full of hate and prejudice.

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Trick: As long as Jo continues to talk, write, sing, etc. about the universe SHE created, it stills hers.

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hmm. still hers yes.

but its ours for interpretation too. if i want to imagine that Harry and Draco are going at it in a broom closet, i will…

using that logic i can ignore the epilogue. i suppose its only fair to allow some people to believe in their het!Dumbledore.

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And I’m beginning to have a feeling that a lot of this tripe is coming from trolls elsewhere on the internet and is not all from Leaky Members.

In answer to the multitude of cries about not wanting to explain this to their children, let my children have childhoods, etc.

By the time kids are in elementary school they are getting sex education in order to help augment the education on sexuality the parents are SUPPOSED to be giving their children at home. Even the very narrow “values parenting” people recommend explaining sex to children at the age of 8, with preliminary “as needed” simplified discussions beginning as early as 3.

Between 8 and 12, before they reach puberty, the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that children know the names of sexual organs, what happens during puberty, the nature and purpose of menstruation, what sexual intercourse is and how girls become pregnant, how to prevent pregnancy, same sex relationships, masturbation, activities that spread sexually transmitted diseases, and your expectations and values.

By the time a kid is in 3rd grade they’re hearing sexually oriented conversations and have more than likely heard the words “gay” and/or “queer”. By the time they are in 5th or 6th grades they most assuredly have heard these terms as well as used them unless they are home schooled and locked in a cupboard under your stairs.

HP and the Sorceror’s Stone was recommended for children between the ages of 8 and 13, others are for ages 9 and up. Thus, if your child is 8 to 13 and you haven’t initiated these conversations you are being neglectful of your parenting duties. If you are handing these books to or reading them to a child younger than 8 to 13 it is YOU that are not “letting him/her be a child”. I mean truly, why would anyone read or give books that are about 11 to 17 year olds to children who are 6 or 7 or younger anyway? If you wish to blame someone get up, walk to the bathroom and look in the mirror.

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mandy. beautifully put. but question.. you didn’t zealot fundamentalists? are you talking in the HP community, or just in general? cause i know MANY extreme fundies in general, but I am surprised about them in the HP community. unless there are people on here that already hated HP and just come on here to fight?

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Oengus,

She wrote them for you. They can be whatever you want. She said that she always saw DD as gay, that does not mean that we have to. Especially if its going to cause a person to hate the books and keep your children from reading them. Let him be what evr you want. She did not specifically state in the book that he is gay.

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oops. mandy, i meant, you didn’t realize there were so many?

and “mom weasley” that was interesting. i didn’t know all of it, thanks for sharing!

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It is true that the view that homosexual actions are wrong can, in some situations, lead to “gay-bashing”, “gay-hatting”, etc. but it doesn’t necessarily happens this way... A well-informed Catholic, for example, would object to the practice of gay sex in much the same way that he would object tho the practice of sex before marriage. It does not mean that Catholics “hate” people who have sex before marriage, only that they think the specific act was wrong.

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They might be giants: I’m saying that if you try to pretend to your child that homosexuality does not exist that you’re being somewhat dishonest with your child, which you are. You have every right to be so, certainly, but you do not have a right to be outraged when the light of reality peeks through the comfortable shell you’ve placed your child in. By all means, enforce for your child the impression that there is no murder, no rape, no anything-that-you-disagree-with. But you’re a fool if you think the illusion is going to persist. Sooner or later your child is going to learn that the world does not always follow Mommy or Daddy’s comfortable views. Any parent who has a problem with that has little choice but to throw their child in a dungeon for the rest his life. The much preferred alternative is to calmly accept the fact that your children are going to learn uncomfortable truths, and to look at it, not as a curse, but as an opportunity to impart valuable (in your mind) lessons.

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Minisha: Yes, it’s fun to imagine things for possibilities that Jo did not think about.

But from the moment the author (Jo) states something, you’re not a honest reader if you change it because “you like it better this way”.

For example, I heard Film companies (Wraner?) wanted to set the story in the United States. Jo said a big “no-no”. Many fans kept asking “are you going to include an American character?” She declined. That’s her choice.

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“I’m at a loss why someone would reveal something shocking other than for gaining attention.”

@if, Why are so many people questioning JKR’s motivation??? She was responding to a question for goodness sakes!!!

Also, you should know that not everyone is SHOCKED by the news about Dumbledore. This is the 21st century, and honestly, I don’t understand why so many people are SHOCKED – even those who are upset by it.

Surely, you know that gay people exist throughout the world. You probably come into contact with at least one or two every day. Oh, what a SCARY thought that must be for some. Look out, Halloween is next week – a goblin may get one of you!

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Thank you CHE.

“i said it before and i’ll say it again, i am very dissapointed at Rowling, is not only that homosexuality is not natural and is not right. i think that Dumbledore was a role model for today’s kids, but now she declares that he is gay after selling her last book… it’s not right for the kids who use to think of him as a hero. now i am sure a lot of kids don’t know what to think. my nephews are confused and questioning us about homosexuality and i think it’s dangerous for them and any other kid in the world. and it is unfair that she decided to make the declaration after the last book.. if i had known that there was a gay charachter in a children’s book i would not have bought the book for my nephews and i would not have read it miself. i will not be buying any more books from Rowling. clearly she knew that many people were not going to support this. so she chose to do this after she sold millions of dollars and not before. that is coward, convenient and honestly a little dishonest.

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I just don’t understand why it was relevant to include such information. The child asked “Will Dumbledore ever find love?” Her answer could have simply been that due to the outcome of book 6 (as not to give anything away) there was no love in the future for Dumbledore. Her books have caused enough controversy as it is. I don’t see the need to create more. I agree that it ruins things for those who saw Dumbledore as a hero.

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This is all very sad. Heck the fact that this is in the media and newspapers makes it even sadder. In a good world, Jo would have said he was gay. People would have been shocked but said ‘ok’ and moved on.

Almost everybody has prejudices of some kind.

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Sorry Oengus I respect your opinion, but I just believe that all books and movies are open to the interpretation of the reader or viewer. Again Jo said that for her DD was gay. If she had said this in a back room somewhere and nobody heard it, would it change anyone’s perception of DD? No, because she left it to our interpretation in the book. She did not address it there. Anyway I know people disagree with that, but in the end that’s what we are left with….our interpretation.

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No, CRR, the question was DID Dumbledore ever find love, and her answer was yes he DID, he loved Grindelwald. I know that’s how the question was asked because I was there.

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CRR: “I agree that it ruins things for those who saw Dumbledore as a hero.”

Me: Right because gay people can’t be heroes. That’s what you’re saying, and it makes you-I shall not mince words here-a bigot. It would be like someone saying that they can no longer see Dumbledore as a hero because he’s descended from Native Americans. It’s pure, unadulterated bigotry, and frankly you should be embarrassed for even thinking it.

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“It is not a strangers place to teach our children about such issues. It should be up to the parents. What is this world coming to when it is ok for a stranger to raise such questions for our children.” yeah.. my poor children might grow TOLERANT! How sickening!!

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Trick, I respect your opinion too. You have your “reading”, and we all have our own “reading”/”interpretation”. That was an interesting exchange (I really do think so).

But I like Jo’s choices: For example, the good guy has black hair, some bad guy turned ok was blond (Draco Malfoy). I think Voldie has chestnut hair, I have to check. In US movies, the bad guy often has darker hair than the good guy. Now, don’t change the haircolor in your imagination : we saw the movies; it is set in stone now ;-D

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Since the conversation has evolved a bit, allow me to add a few things.

First, people who disagree with the gay lifestyle are not bigots (at least not all of them) or… whatever ugly word you choose to insult them with. They simply believe differently than you and if tolerance is a benchmark, it is by definition a two-way street.

Secondly, Christians are not the only people of faith to find fault with homosexuality. Muslims are equally, if not more opposed to it. Honest families of Christian faith have children, raise them to their beliefs just as you would in whatever beliefs you hold. They are no different just because they, like you, do not choose to remain silent on an issue they hold to be important.

Finally, the story would have survived to be a classic in the sense so many have in the past. But social norms change. Observe how Mark Twain is banned in many places (including some countries that don’t readily practice Christianity). It may be that someday, this will seem silly but for right now, you either respect those who disagree with you are YOU are the intolerant ones.

I truly appreciate the chance to speak here. I have enjoyed the Potter series but do not number myself one of the guardians. I merely think of them as books, talent and imaginative. In that space, homosexuality is not a requirement… just a vision that goes beyond what we have when we close the cover.

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Anon I agree. But that was never the point saying that homosexuality did not exist. It seemed as if you were saying that a parent should let them read childrens books containing homosexuality because they are going to find out about it anyway or that by not doing so is a disservice to a child. That is just not so. A parent has a right to teach thier children about homosexuality when they feal the child is ready. It is not up to JR to decide that for the parent. I FIND NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY. Having said that some people do. And teaching thier child that might not be correct in our minds, they DO have that right. Just as you have a right to raise your child to whichever religion you like. Even if some do not agree. Now there is boundries. I would never want a child taught satanism. but. lol

If one wanted to be very technical. We could say that JR is wrong in him being gay. He is a fictional character. As such he only exist in the boundries that are presented. In this case a book. Now it may have been hinted at, but it is never said outright in the book. And even the hints can be questioned as many on the board have. If it is never written in the book that he is homosexual, then he really is not. JR can say anything she wants and you can choose to have the books follow that path or not. However it is fiction and does not really exist outside the book.

Just my opinion.

On your point also that is her book. An author does have responcibilities. If I tell my agent that I am writing a horror novella and they go and sell it as such I cannot turn in a sci-fi epic. The first few books she did market as childrens books. And I think anyone reading them can tell that is the way it was intended. However she also stated that the last few books were intended for adults. However I think that the marketing people, not her necissarly (sp?), sold it as such.

If I misquoted you or have what you were saying wrong then I appologize. As I stated I made my originall statement based on one of your statements about how it was her book.

Peace,

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Perhaps JKR didn’t reveal Dumbledore’s sexual orientation because she was afraid he would have been fired from Hogwarts. You do realize that in America you can be fired from your job if you are gay. Everybody created equal? I don’t think so. Perhaps Hogwarts has the same messed up discriminatory laws as the US.

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Oengus,

I like her choices too. I was referring to the people saying that they could no longer read the books. To them I say, then let him be straight in your mind. Don’t worry! be happy! Life is short. get over it.

Good luck

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I’ll tell you what I’d be worried about if I were a parent. I’d be worried about my children being exposed to the hatred many of you are espousing. (Shall I express outrage at you for exposing my hypothetical children to this, the way you have JK? Shall I declare that you have no right to speak your offensive words within my children’s hearing range?) However, unlike you, I would view it as a precious opportunity to explain to my children the wrongness of the views you express. It would be a welcome chance for me to better equip my children to enter adulthood as loving, tolerant individuals. I wonder why you don’t take a similar view of JK’s revelation.

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Mike; well written. Mark Twain should never be banned in my opinion. Sad day for us all. lol

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What is so wrong with a hero who is gay? It doesn’t take away from who he is- hell, I think it adds a great dimension. People love to scream how it unnatural, but it occurs in nature amoung other animals. Why should we be any different? We’re creatures of instinct. It shouldn’t be something to be ashamed of.

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You can’t legally be fired from your job in the US for being gay.

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Besides she wrote him as she knew him. If she saw him as gay, we’ve read him as gay. If we fell in love with the character as she wrote him, then we must have loved the gay that was there too.

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Yes, you can be fired in a lot of states. Don’t believe me? Wikipedia ENDA.

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TO dimitri, In America you cannot be fired from your job if you are gay. That is a totally false statement. We do have laws protecting indviduals of certain rights. Now you could say in Amderica Homosexuals are not allowed to marry and be correct. If you are Homosexual and are fired you have a lot of options and it will probably end up costing your employer a huge amount of money and if it is a big employer bad press. However this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I am lucky to be an American and feel obligated to defend her from lies and misconceptions.

Thank you

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People can be fired for almost anything. I know a guy who’s friend got fired because he preferred Miller Light over the beer his company made. By the way good post Mike, well said.

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Trick: In most U.S. jurisdictions discrimination against people on the basis of sexual orientation is perfectly legal. So yes, a gay citizen of the United States could potentially be fired simply because he is gay.

Quoting myself from the end of the previous page, for those who might have missed it:

I’ll tell you what I’d be worried about if I were a parent. I’d be worried about my children being exposed to the hatred many of you are espousing. (Shall I express outrage at you for exposing my hypothetical children to this, the way you have JK? Shall I declare that you have no right to speak your offensive words within my children’s hearing range?) However, unlike you, I would view it as a precious opportunity to explain to my children the wrongness of the views you express. It would be a welcome chance for me to better equip my children to enter adulthood as loving, tolerant individuals. I wonder why you don’t take a similar view of JK’s revelation.

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To “if” Plenty of pro-muggleborn bigotry written here. If you’re pro-muggle-born, it’s superior. That is thinking I don’t understand. Shame on those who think it’s ‘wonderful’ that JKR suddenly decided Hermione should be a muggle-born.

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Anonimus: The passages in quotes in my post were from Time Magazine’s website, not me. My message was that I think it would’ve been cool if she had mentioned Dumbledore’s attraction to G in Book 7 since, in her words, it was Dumbledore’s “great tragedy.” The sentence “Dumbledore is gay” wouldn’t have been needed—just explaining the reasons behind his “great tragedy” would’ve truly shown the character’s sexuality as a non-issue, which I believe it is. (And if you guys think this thread has gotten out of hand, you should read the one on abcnews.com if it’s still there…)

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Joining my 2 previous posts:

To believe that homosexual actions are wrong is NOT equal to being a “bigoted gay-basher / gay-hater /etc.” It is true that the view that homosexual actions are wrong can, in some situations, lead to “gay-bashing”, “gay-hatting”, etc. but it doesn’t necessarily happens this way... A well-informed Catholic, for example, would object to the practice of gay sex in much the same way that he would object tho the practice of sex before marriage. It does not mean that Catholics “hate” people who have sex before marriage, only that they think the specific act was wrong.

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Do not believe everything you read on Wiki. I live in Fl and know there are laws agains it. You can go to myflorida website and find this out with a little searching. However fl is listed on the map as being a place where you can be fired. Not true at all.

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If you had hard evidence that your employer fired you over being gay. Then one would have a strong case, but they would have to have proof that firing was over the person sexual orientation . This would be hard to proof unless witness had heard the boss being anti-gay. I wonder if any characthers were transgendered

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They might be gaints: The point is that there are places where you can be fired for being gay. Maybe not Florida, but there are certainly places in the United States where you can be.

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This is totally off the subject by the way. There are plenty of forums for just this subject and if you really feel strongly the laws must be changed there are a lot of groups you can join and a lot you can do. However if your protesting just to change the subject or for fun then you are doing a lot of people a disservice. Also there are a lot of countries that it is illegal to even practice homosexuality. And there are few countries with clear defined laws protecting homosexuality. Sad as that may be.

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This one is bad enough. I’m done. Good luck to you all. I will go back to my books and reread them all another five or six times before I die, and DD being gay will be a non-issue for me.

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Why do you think that you have to explain gay sex to explain what “gay” is? It’s so hilarious to me that that is the first conclusion so many people jump to. Do you have to explain straight sex since Hermione and Ron are in love?

Here’s a tip: “Well, gay means when a boy loves a boy or a girl loves a girl.” See how I didn’t have to explain anything regarding bedroom preferences?

You’re meager attempt to disguise your intolerance as “protecting children” is horrid.

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Anonimus I believe you. I was wrong about that. I truely thought it was a federal law. Which supersides state laws. However no mater where you live you can sue and most likely win. If for nothing else then for the distress and pain that you had to go through. This does not make it right. But few employers would really take that chance and few would want to be in the media as such. It is a sad case that there are places you can be fired for your sexual oritation. But I do not believe this is the forum to discuss it. Unless we are commenting on JR comments or statements.

But that is just me. I can point you to some great sites that fight just this kind of discrimination.

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Shame on the person who said Jo could burn in hell. Everybody sins when it comes down to it no sin is worse then another. Should we be against people who have premarital relations? It is not up to anyone but our heavenly father to judge people, gay people, straight people whatever.

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They might be giants: I’m not the one who brought it up. I was merely back up what someone else had said. And yes, for the record, I do agree that it has little relevance to the issue at hand.

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Well WwW, puhlease, why are there so many angry christians/catholics here say things that sound like what Voldemort’s supporters would say?

Why to these christians, everything suddenly ‘changes’? Because they just have so much prejudice already and looked down on gays as inferiors and deviants like how Pureblood look down on ‘mudblood’? That they would accuse all gay = pedophile? That all the sudden they see these books as all about gay lifestyle and sexuality? (you angry lot, please point out to me where in the book do we get ‘gay lifestyle’?). These christians are the ones who made such a big deal over this whole thing, and made ignorant retard comment how a great brilliant heroic man cannot be gay, and in grand delusion that this is a staged stunt JKR pull, etc. etc . etc. these embarassing wank are endless.

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Foi uma besteira o que Rowling fez Dumbledore não é brilhante para ser gay por que não o Harry, Ron Dumbledore é fantastico, essa escritora fez uma pessima coisa eu adoro o personagem Dumbledore ele nos filmes não tem jeito de gay nem nada, esta muito bravo com j.K. Rowling por isso que ela fez.

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To Little Me, Sorry but there is a difference. Depending on a kids age they may know about love but not sex. And if they know about sex maybe not all forms of it. lol. And it is a parents job to teach them not JR. It mentions that Ron and Hermoine are in love and they kiss but thats it. Why do you feel she left sex out of the books? She could have written it in. She did not because, my opinion only, she knew some parents would not buy them for thier kids. When she came out and said that Dumbledor was homosexual it leads to the child asking what is homosexuality. And some parents may not be ready to deal with that subject with thier children yet. Just as if she said someone was straight, or a dominatrix.

Now I could argue with all the death in the final books it was never meant for children who do not yet know what sex and its many forms are. lol. But the publishers have marketed that way. And the movies are deffinetly for young adults. They do whatever they can here in america to get them a pg rating.

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Dumbledore being gay had no effect in me. What’s the big deal? He’s still my fav character. And just to clarify some people, recent research shows that sexuality, be it hetero-, homo- or bi-, is something that is socially formed, and that is why there are more heterosexual people. And about religion: God said to love, not to hate one another. I think that covers all.

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In England whether a person’s attracted to the same sex or to the opposite sex is no longer much of an issue on the whole (can’t say how things are in Scotland). I expect Jo forgot she was not in England!

It now seems that how we each end up ‘wired’ may be in part connected to the chemical balance in the womb at a certain point in foetal development. Once we are born, environmental pressures (mostly parental/guardian inputs) may then play some part.

Nothing to make a fuss about.

It is scary how a lot of the hateful comments emanate from people who claim to be religious. Never a good idea to claim that God is on your side (ever heared of ‘humility’)- it always denotes that exactly the opposite is certain to be the case.

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THis is sickening. homosexuality is wrong in all aspects, and you can’t be born gay (it’s unatural, if you could be born gay then you’d be able to reproduce, but YOU CAN”T). I have lost all respect for Dumbledore, i’d rather not known that he was gay. if he never came out during the book, then it musn’t matter to him, so why tell the world if dumbledore didn’t do it himself. I agree with some people about JKR not wanting to reveal this until after the release, if she had revealed it before the release, then she would have lost billions of dollars. I must admit that it was a smart move, but a tricky and dispicable one at that. oh well, another person (though, he is fictional) has been lost.

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They might be giants: “It’s a parents job to teach them not JR.”

I fail to see how revealing Dumbledore’s sexual orientation is teaching children more about sex than the numerous make-out scences in the last couple of books. Dumbledore likes men vs. Harry and Ginny snogging. You tell me which is more sexually explicit. That aside, you have no right to complain when children learn about the real world; sooner or later the comfortable shell against reality which many children are placed under is bound to crack, whether at the hand of Rowling or a classmate. It’s something to be counted on and prepared for, not responded to with outrage.

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Jake maybe but I do not think she would have lost billions of dollars. Somewhere in the hight thousands is more accurate. And she also makes money off of the movies. If it was totally a money issue she would have waited untill after the films.

However I do think there was no point in this. And do not understand why she would. As I stated in a earlier post Dumbledor is a fictional character and does not exist really outside those bounds. YOu can easly make the argument that he is not a homosexual by the book in which his characters are written.

What is really sad is that it changes the books for some. They are brillant books. And will in time be classics. She should have stayed true to the books and let people speculate as they will.

What is really amusing is that if someone came on these boards last week and said Dumbledor is gay. They would have been torn apart most likely. lol

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“Grindlewald, you can not imagine how his ideas caught me harry, inflamed me. Muggle’s forced into subservience, we wizards triumphant.Grindlewald and I, the glorious young leaders of the revolution.” -jkr

In the audio book, you can really hear how infatuated Dumbledore was with Grindlewald and everything he represented. Maybe not in a strictly sexual sense, but it was an infatuation of Grindlevald’s intelligence and personality.

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jake: Your statement that homosexuality is unnatural is both incorrect and irrelevant. Incorrect because homosexuality regularly occurs in nature (please research bonobos and male giraffes, among others); irrelevant because whether something is unnatural or not is not an indication of whether it is moral (such a declaration would be guilty of the naturallistic logical fallacy; it would also make medicine, surgery, and automobiles equally wrong, as these things are even more unnatural).

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I never thought of Dumbledore as gay….or straight for that matter. I didn’t think of him in a sexual connotation because it’s children’s literature. Let’s keep the sexuality on an adolescent level….If JKR (or whatever team that wrote the books) wanted to have one of the kids be gay or bi…I would be fine with that, but let’s leave adult sexuality out of it….for crying out loud we don’t even really know how James and Lily managed to hook up….so what do I care of the sexuality of Dumbledore, Sirius or anyone else?

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It is FICTION, Dumbledore is NOT REAL, his sexuality (which does not matter to the storyline much – is FICTION) It is JKR’s character, her story, so get a life folks. The books are wonderful and I love my signed copy. Thank you to the super nice JKR…my eighth Weasly child has not come back to the earth since her book was signed last Friday and JKR told her she loved her beautiful red hair.

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To anon we could argue this all day. I will never agree however that it is the same. And like it or not, right or wrong. A boy and girl kissing is different from a man likeing other men. And in todays society we can have a girl and guy on tv kissing and not a man and man kissing except at certain times. Does not make it right. Just the way it is. And not just in america. I have seen plenty of cartoons catering to kids have a boy and girl kissing. Name one that has to boys or two men kissing. IN any country. Does not make it right.

Also name me a religion in which a man and woman cannot be together. THey may have to be married but by all religions I can think of it is the norm. ANd religion is important. Since all religions accept one and not the other and the majority believe one way and not the other it affects how children are taught.

Of course children are going to learn there are differnt aspects. But that is a PARENTS job not an author. Not a preacher. Not a teacher.

Look at this board for example. Hate it or not people were getting along a lot better a week ago. Her commit served no real purpose.

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Plus….#1 It’s a fictional character…if you’re thrilled DUmbledore is gay good for you, but get a life! #2 If you don’t like it….just remember, she didn’t write about it in the books--it most likely won’t be in the movies—ignore it and get a life!

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I didn’t ask you whether television or religion was generally accepting of homosexuality. It’s not relevant. What’s relevant is that Dumbledore is gay, and if you have a problem with that, you’re more than welcome to take a hike. Meanwhile those of us with no prejudice against homosexuals will continue to enjoy the books and their message of tolerance.

And on that note, dinner is ready; good day!

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This is the reason why our world is so messed up today. If people have a problem taking a thing as a person’s sexuality so personally (when it is a private factor) and going to the extent to shielding their blessed, sweet, innocent young children from it, what are people going to do twenty years from now when sometime else turns up just as controversial? I’m not saying that you should accept that people are gay, I’m saying you shouldn’t shield yourself from everything that scares you just because it’s different. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, yes. Is it fair though, to believe that your opinion, (note: OPINION) is correct and anyone that thinks differently is wrong? Definitely not. It is things like these, when people get scared of things that are different from themselves that leads to war (I’m not saying this will! but other things have) hate ad discrimination. Things that we have also taught are wrong. It’s like people wanting to shield their kids from the gruesome details of the Holocaust. If you shield and get rid of everything that freaks you out, you won’t learn lessons and history will repeat itself, and mankind won’t make any progress. Don’t get me wrong, as I said before, you can and will have your own opinions and ideas on such controversial topics, but just because YOU think it does not automatically make it correct. Try to be the bigger person and see if from someone else’s viewpoint. It is ridiculous how something like this has blown up this big, but what can you do about it. You learn from differences, that’s why they exist. Everyone has their own morals for a reason. The world is not perfect. You are not perfect. No one is perfect. You have to accept differences before you can call yourself a true adult.

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“Excuse me. DD is not Jo’s character, he belongs to us all.”

@Trick, I have yet to see “us all” listed as the author’s name on any of the HP books.

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Some of these comments are sickening, especially Whitney’s. Jo probably can’t wait to get back to the UK and away from all of us nutter American fundamentalist Christians.

I’ve never seen so much hate, intolerance, and bigotry in one place in my life.

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To “They might be giants”, “Whitney”, and others in this long discussion who have voiced their displeasure at this revelation:

I’m baffled by the sheer number of people like you that refuse to believe the reality that’s existed around them since mankind began. Homosexuality has been here and will forever be here, and in every possible way that you could draw a direct analogy to a similiar heterosexual situation.

The morality of it is something that’s only recently become this huge discussion, because of the perverse and corrupting influence opinion masquerading as religious dogma has had on people the past ~400 years. Look into real, unbiased history and you’ll find ancient Romans and Spartans regularly participating in homosexuality, in ways that were considered the status quo because that was their accepted custom.

Whether you accept it or not, there are people born homosexual and people who choose it (yes, both kinds). You can choose to not believe the sky is blue, or stupidly go around crowing how the blueness of the sky is somehow unnatural or evil, but it still is going to resolutely stay blue in reality. It’s your choice whether to accept reality and learn to tolerate it.

This isn’t a question of morality, or whether you accept it or believe in it, or even a question of if it’s real. Here, on this site, and all over this planet Earth, are millions of homosexual people telling you that it exists, all around you, every day of your life, and it’s time you get used to the idea and how you will live with it. Because it’s not going away, especially not for you or the precious children you so want to keep the truth hidden from for some reason.

Now let’s shut up about it, because seriously this has very little to do with anything in the books, and is just an excuse for intolerant and ignorant people to stand on their soapbox and preach to others about ignoring reality.

Thank you, Jo, for your phenomenal books and always being truthful and real about everything in your books, including things small-minded and blind people will somehow find “immoral”. You really are a beautiful role model to every human being, religion, race, background nonwithstanding.

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And when we thought J.K. couldn’t possibly surprise us any more! Dumbledore is AMAZING no matter what. I am so glad Rowling came out for him.

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I love all this “tackling homosexuality in a children’s book” crap! Honestly people, homosexuality was never tackled at any point in these books. Most of you never realized Dumbledore was gay until JKR said it, so at what point in the books was homosexuality being tackled? Here’s an idea for ya: don’t mention it to your children (because they aren’t going to notice just from reading the books), and if they hear it from someone else, don’t go into all the down and dirty details when explaining what it means.

Use your brains (assuming you have some) and use your best judgement (assuming you have any of that either) and don’t make a big deal out of it!! It’s way more traumatic for kids when parents lose it over issues and start railing on and on, and the kids have no idea what they’re talking about! And anyway, kids don’t see these characters in terms of their sexuality (they’re not adults!) They look for if the person is good or bad, nice or mean. They aren’t reading Harry Potter and wondering who’s doing it with who. My opinion of the character of Dumbledore has not changed at all. Who he loved when he was 18 doesn’t make him any less of a great character!

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Mandy, I had prepared a detailed reply, but to discuss the issue in much detail would be too hard for me (I am not a native English speaker). I will limit myself to one point: you appear to be judging all Christians/Catholics based only on the specific kind of Christian that is pissed enough with this news to bother complaining here. My example was based on what a well informed Catholic would do, but not all Catholics are well informed on what their own faith says about this issue… .... ..

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“I think that all the people who are commenting that they would not have read the book if they knew Dumbledore was gay are being stupid. I think that not knowing about it was a great thing. It allowed everyone to see him for the man he was, not for who he liked. It was a good way of showing that it is not someone’s sexuality that matters. If his being gay makes you like the character any less, that is dumb. I am proud that Jo didn’t put it in the books because it just goes to show how little sexuality should really matter.”

here! here!

“I’m not kidding.” lol Jo, I didn’t think I could love you any more than I already did. I was wrong. You ROCK!

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Holy Moly…look at these comments. It’s been a while since our fandom’s been this riled up!

I find it sad that people that call themselves so-called fans are suddenly turning their backs on the author and books they love. I really can’t comprehend it. The characters are like family to me and if one of my family was gay i’d love them just the same. It homosexuality was not natural then why does it exist? No one created it. It’s existed since the beginning of time, it’s just that it was taboo and not talked about before. I mean, i thought we lived in a society where we’d learn from our mistakes. From the mistakes of colonialism, black slave trade, war…but clearly we have not. I think there are still a small percentage of people out there who no matter what will still believe that anything different to them is wrong. And i don’t think there’s anything in the world that will change that. When you are arguing beliefs against beliefs is almost a pointless cause. No one is going to win. You can’t convince someone not to believe in something that truly believe in. The only thing i ask is that you do not force these beliefs upon your children. You are not protecting them by taking away their books, in fact your hurting them because you are not preparing them for real life. The books have no sexual innuendo about DD in it. I’m not sure what the problem is? Was there this same uproar when Jo write ‘B*TCH’ in her books? So you’d rather your kid running around saying bitch then them knowing about homosexuals? To me that’s just…beyond words…

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jake- You’ll find the reason she did not reveal the fact that DD was gay in the books was because it was irrelevant to the story. She has said many times that all things she includes in the books are relevant to the story, and DD homosexuality is not. Just like being gay doesn’t determine who your are, it’s irrelevant to who you are as a human being.

AND Jo would not have lost millions of dollars as she would have been supported by MOST of her fans. She would not have wanted YOUR money anyway.

There.

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@Anonimus, Just want to say THANK YOU for your very thoughtful comments today! You have the kind of tolerance that JKR would champion and that I can only dream of!

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“I think the child will see friendship and I think a SENSITIVE adult may well understand that it was infatuation.” -JKR

Yes, Ms. Rowling this is true. If the readers are keen enough to see more than what meets the eye they’ll know it by the seventh book that Dumbledore isn’t straight and you didn’t hid it completely from us readers. I respect your decision and I respect Dumbledore not because he is gay but because he woke up from slumber and start loving people instead of one person.

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May I add that if I had known that Dumbledore was gay I’d still buy and read the book. Although I might wouldn’t be as infatuated to Dumbledore as I was when I haven’t had a clue that he was gay. I think most of us are disappointed because we have learned to love Dumbledore and think of him as our hero then suddenly we realize that this hero is not Superman, but another person who has flaws that must be forgiven. After all that’s what HP is all about: Tolerance/Forgiving.

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Well, this morning my ‘embarassed’ comment must of struck a chord. I really shouldn’t bother anymore with this, but I find it hypocritical that people will have such an uproar as to proclaim ‘we have to protect the children’. Did anyone notice on page 564 of DH, the story about Dumbledore’s sister, six years old, she was attacked by three muggle boys. It’s pretty clear through implication that Ariana never recovered because she was raped. If course people gloss that over if it’s convient.

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I’d like to add, JKR made a simple statement of fact, in answer to a question, there was no ‘Gay agenda’, she never actually condoned anything. Actually, I find it interesting that John Granger, a pro Potter Christian and writer of the book ‘Finding God in Harry Potter’, was non phased by the comment, you can check it out at the Professor Hogwarts site.

http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=198

Once again the Press did another wonderful job of not reporting the story accurately and in context.

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Just another funny thing to point out…. These folks who are so up in arms about DD being gay had no problem with people being tortured, mutilated, etcetera in the books. So, all that stuff is fine, but BOY, nobody better be gay!

I am really amazed that anyone with a brain can take these people seriously.

I think the Republican party of America is fixing to fall apart. The gay issue is one reason.

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I am appalled by some of the comments I have read here. I am gay, I didn’t choose it but I love the person in my life more than I can put into words. Is that wrong? Is love wrong?

To say that gay people are “shover their lifestyles down [your] throat” is equally absurd. Do I feel oppressed or upset that I walk around and see heterosexual people all over the place and mainstream culture is almost entirely straight? No; but by Whitney’s logic, I am having their lifestyles shoved down my throat.

I expected better of Harry Potter fans. The whole series is about love. So is being gay. Being gay, like being straight or bi is about loving people.

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Treelightchild, the words “Whitney’s” and “logic” should never appear together in a sentence. People like Whitney don’t DO logic. You can’t reason with someone like her, she was raised to hate you.

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i totally never want to promote Harry Potter agian…..bad move!

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I hope Jo knows that most of the fandom fully supports her, and that the idiots are a small portion who happen to be exceedingly vocal. We love you Jo.

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LK. Your comment about homosexuality being moral because it exists in nature and has always existed isn’t valid. The same can be said about other things, too (such as infanticide, incest, murder, etc). Whether something exists in other animals is irrelevant to the question of whether something is moral.

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These are all good and valid comments. Both sides. My feeling is that Rowling has added a component to this very rich tale that is so analogous to comtemporary mores, that she has taken the special timelessness away from her story. The specialness of the Harry Potter Series is in the fact that in these turbulent times, it shone as “Above all that”, and now she has added commonality to this classic series.

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Jess, that’s only valid if homosexuality is a choice, which most would agree, especially the homosexuals is not true. Animals do it out of nature just like humans. Infanticide, incest, murder are all choices, most of which don’t happen in animals without reason of survival.

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All right everyone, I think we really NEED to calm down. Peeling everything away, including the religious and political thoughts on this, it’s just new information about a character. It isn’t earth shattering. It isn’t a volcanic eruption. Dumbledore is gay. JKR said it, she answered a question and this was the response. Take it or leave it, Dumbledore is gay. Why should that completely change your view on him?

He’s a character, remember that. He’s an awesome, amazing, heroic, iconic one, but in the end he is a character. He isn’t real. Any sexual encounters he did or did not haven’t aren’t real.

We shouldn’t be destroying ourselves over such a surprise. All this shows is that there is a severe divide in our world (or mostly just the US) over this issue. Why don’t we agree to disagree? Why continue to mince words, to hurt each other and to dismantle something we all love?

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SuperAurorGirl, it says a lot that people are more concerned with a dead fictional character’s sexuality than the fact that California is burning right off the map, doesn’t it?

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Very, very true…or that in the country of Burma monks are being killed in the streets for wanting peace and freedom or that children are slaughtered in Darfur daily while trying to get water for their families.

It’s a tad sickening. Obviously, Dumbledore wouldn’t approve, no matter his sexuality.

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I am (was?) a huge HP fan. I have all the American & British editions and several Japanese, Spanish and even Catalan editions. I, like many others, waited anxiously for the next HP movie, constantly checking the news on Leaky and Mugglenet for any new details. When I saw the headline for Dumbledore being gay, I was in shock and very disappointed. Why? Because Harry Potter was a great escape from all of the politics of the world. While the news media divides Americans between RIght and Left, I could be proud of JK Rowling for providing a world free from our real world of political controversy – free from “political correctness” that divides the country. But now that the books are finished, I’m disappointed that she had to step into the fray and divide people again. I guess the wonderful illusion is over and now it’s “welcome to reality.” (sigh) How disappointing.

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Donovan, how can homosexuality be “above all that” when one of the main themes in the series is to battle oppression and genocide, which, of course, is transpiring all over our world right now?

I think Potterverse is just as turbulent as our times and rather than trying to make us escape from our troubles, it tries to manifest problems in another realm of life. The whole point JKR makes is that even magic does not make everything OK.

And the homosexuality crisis, should be a crisis and should not cause people in the world and here in the microcosm of LeakyCauldron to be in such an uproar.

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And as I said to Donovan, Luna’s Daydream, why should this divide people?

And JKR is trying to reflect reality! The books is superficially fantasy, but is still grounded in the real world!

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Books are*

WOW TALK ABOUT SUBJECT VERB AGREEMENT!

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Luna’s daydream, I can really feel for you and I understand what you are saying. The thing is, even the Harry Potter books haven’t ever escaped the political battle ground. I dunno why, but it seems like most people these days like to divide things, to separate people. (I am not talking about JKR here, people).

In every piece of literature, you can see evidence of some political leanings or a reflection of the time in which they were written. Harry Potter is just the same.

I wish that we could be able to enjoy the books without it becoming a “purple puddle” of fighting red and blue (er, if for people not from the US, red and blue represent the major political parties, Republicans and Democrats, respectively).

We live in devisive times. Even a character of literature can cause a schism, when we should be fixing global issues, we would rather fixate ourselves on more mundane topics (not saying homosexuality and discrimination of homosexuals is mundane, but the debate over Dumbledore seems to be mundane to me).

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AnyaMarcos & SuperAurorGirl – well said – Dumbledore definitely would not approve!

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I’m sorry these books haven’t been children’s’ books since the fourth book at least! And even then the images and subjects are still rather sinister (Voldemort sucking blood out of a unicorn and living in the head of Professor Quirell!). Many, many deaths, oppression, pure evil, elvish slavery, tons of heterosexual almost sex scenes, and numerous other examples of mature subjects that prove that tenet very wrong!

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I’m up in the air about this one. There are several ways to look at it. From a purely literary perspective, it seems bizarre for an author to give out personal information about a character beyond the scope of the book. What purpose is served? None. All fictional characters are only ever partially completed by the author, which is what allows each reader to fill in the gaps in their own way and make their own personal connection to that character. This is what allows me to make my reading of the book “mine”. By making this statement, JKR throws a spanner in the works. Now I have to wonder if every gap I had filled with my own sense of the character might in some sense be “wrong”. I’m forced to doubt my reading of the story and become hyper-conscious of its fictionality in a way that spoils the fundamental element of successful fiction—the suspension of disbelief. I’m forced to feel that the story is not mine and never was, and that I can never fully understand or appropriate its themes and messages, because they are “fixed” by someone else. It’s a literary faux pas, in my opinion.

Some will claim this is a clever and brave way to make the political statement that “great, heroic, wise people can be gay, and you wouldn’t even know it.” That seems like a message motivated by good intentions. And what educated, tolerant and caring person doesn’t want to see that lesson learned by more people? I know I certainly do. However, I see some problems with this. First—because we’re talking about a fictional character, people who want to can simply discount that there’s any connection with reality. They can just say it’s all Rowling’s fantasy and has no bearing on the real world. Second, it’s not adding anything new to the conversation about homosexuality, is it? There are countless real people who have already driven this point home far more meaningfully and eloquently because they are, actually, real people who can speak from their lived experiences, who can respond to attempts to distort or discount that experience. They can demand our attention and respect in a way that Dumbledore can’t because he’s made up.

There’s nothing new about using a character from a fictional world to teach a lesson in the real world. Nearly all fiction does that in more or less intentional ways. But the problem for me is that if I am being asked to take Dumbledore’s character and look at it in a real world context, then I have to say it looks an awful lot like he’s just been outed! Was he consulted about this first? Of course, he’s “dead”, so he hasn’g got much to risk—he isn’t going to be beaten up, or lose his job. But, apply this to the real world. Is it OK for me to tell people that someone I know is gay just because I know he/she is so admired that it might challenge people’s stereotypes? Is it my right to do that? Shouldn’t I consider that person’s desires first? Are they open about this aspect of their lives? Do I know what the repercussions might be? Is he going to be safe now that his sexuality has been definitively labeled and made public? Will he be accepted by his family? his friends? his employer and colleagues? Might my action cause more harm than good? If Rowling was trying to make a statement in the real world, I fear her means may run counter to her ends.

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I suspect that the reason some people are so upset is because they identified and admired Dumbledore so much and are now horrified to admit that they liked a wise man who happened to be gay. Why else would they keep using the word “betrayed”?

While I was taken aback at first-simply because I didn’t want the naysayers to have anything else to latch on to-I had an easier time than my husband. Although in general a very open minded person, it took him a bit to adjust to the fact that he had long wanted to be like a character who turned out to be different than he thought. But he’s accepted it, and like myself, doesn’t really care. In fact, we agree that it will make the cave scene in Half Blood Prince and several parts of Deathly Hallows more intriguing.

We told our kids about it—and neither the 16 nor 10 year old thought it was that big of deal. “That’s strange” said my daughter. Then, she went to try on her Hermione Halloween costume.

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Death, blood, gore, good and evil. All of that can be read, explained, and talked easily about with a child. But homosexuality is a different case intirely and with many different views. ...Sex scenes in HP??!! What page did you read that on?

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Super Auror Girl, I agree with your comment about the “purple puddle” (I never thought of it that way.) I know there are global issues that are much more important than this debate, but I liked being able to escape the controversial realities of our world by visiting the world of Harry Potter for a little while. ( I know that they are JKR’s characters but I don’t like mixing my worlds. ) Just look how much everyone is at each other’s throats on this posting! Harry Potter brought us all together for a while. For just a little while there was happiness, but now it all feels like it’s fading away.

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I’m mad. I’m disappointed. I can’t believe she did this and after all the books have been published, too. The ending to book 7 was almost perfect. It was a satisfying ending to a years-long epic and it felt really good the way she wrapped up all the loose ends. I felt that my defense of the book to other Christians was finally justified and the HP series had real worth besides just being entertaining. It was going to last. Now, I don’t know. If JKR wanted to make DD gay, that was her business, but she should have either revealed it in the books or else kept it to herself.

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Wow…I have to say that I am very very shocked at how many people are freaking out over a fictional story! People, IT IS NOT REAL! It is just for fun….Dumbledore is NOT real for heaven’s sake! If you want to let something this stupid stop you from reading the books, then fine, GO AHEAD! If you are no longer a fan, then get off the fansites and quit leaving hurtful comments! Dumbledore’s love life isn’t even mentioned in the books, so why would that stop anyone from reading the books?? Just cuz JKR said he was gay? Well if it bothers you so much, then just don’t think about his sexuality when you are reading the books! It’s not part of the story at all! If you like the stories, and stick to what they say, then this should’t bother any fans unless they are sick enough to make up nasty images in their own perverted minds! I mean seriously…this is just stupid. People are really going to stop reading a book because a fictional character is gay?? I seriously think I have heard it all now. Holy cow.

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Geez…the people in the interview are tearing her apart about this, especially the last girl. This doesn’t make me see the books or DD any different—why should it? This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion.

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And Lizzy is right, to stop reading the books because of this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. It obviously wasn’t in the books—otherwise it wouldn’t be this big shock! The fact the DD is gay doesn’t change anything.

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Luna’s Daydream, again I really agree with you. I know I still like to retreat back to the Potterverse where I can live among friends and foes that I love and cherish. No matter what, we shouldn’t let this silly discord stop us.

To everyone, I would recommend watching JKR’s interview in Toronto. It was really informative and helped to make the announcement and her thinking beyond it make more sense. Pretty much, she says that the whole Grindelwald thing was her way of hinting at Dumbledore’s sexuality, so yes, it was written in the books, essentially from the very beginning (Grindelwald was mentioned early on in Sorcerer’s/Philospher’s Stone).

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Why can’t homosexuality be explained easily to a child as long as you live in a household where tolerance reigns? I think homosexuality is a lot easier to explain than murder! People are dying because of homosexuality! I think homosexuality is a lot less scary than a huge basilisk that petrifies people as long as you don’t make it that scary with your own beliefs. Children only mimic adults.

The “almost” sex scenes I referenced are very much implied in DH when Harry is in the Burrow and he looks at Ginny and he remembers all the times they spent in the dark recesses of Hogwarts. JKR didn’t say “OMG THEY ARE HAVING SEX,” but the suggestion is obvious.

And as someone on this board mentioned earlier, I very much believe that Ariana Dumbledore was raped by those three muggles. I believe that is the only way she could have been so affected.

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People are NOT dying because of homosexuality! I AM HAVING SO MANY TYPOS TONIGHT AND IT MAKES ME SEEM REALLY BAD! Jeez.

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Why are people elated with this revelation? Why are people upset? I really don’t understand this. For those who think DD being gay is a bad thing: Dumbledore was never saintly in the books. He was manipulative, arrogant and willing to risk a young boy’s life time and time again for the “greater good.” DD has a lot of blood on his hands – he might have even killed his own sister!!! and the one thing you guys get upset about is when JKR says he’s gay????? I am sorry, but I know the bible says being gay is a sin, but it is surely not one of the ten commandments. “Thou shall not kill” is one of the ten commandments. You get upset over DD being gay, but you don’t get upset over the suggestion that DD killed his sister? I just don’t understand it. For those who are elated by this revelation: why? Yes, DD is brave and brilliant, but there is definitely a sinister side to him. He’s not Harry. All in all, being gay just adds to the complexity of his character. I can’t believe people are surprised by this revelation. There are hits of it throughout the books, especially book 7. Just look back at Rita Skeeter’s writings on DD. It will also be funny to see people get upset over the fact that Aberforth is into bestiality (in love with goats), even though it’s almost explicit in the books.

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I know this is a little off topic, but people have been bringing it up…so I guess I am not the only one who thought that poor Ariana Dumbledore had been sexually assaulted/raped by those Muggles?

Completely off topic, but I am glad that I wasn’t the only one who intrepreted that as such.

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And people, stop saying the whole “these are children’s books, so I hate JKR for saying DD’s gay” thing. What part of these books is overly happy go lucky, somthing that you would identify with a children’s book? Was it the hooded figure dripping blood in book 1? The ‘rip…tear…kill…” in book 2? A 17 year old being murdered or a hand being chopped off in book 4? What about what the muggle boys did to Ariana, that hurt her so badly, she lost her mind? Or by ‘children’s books’ do you mean they’re not really children’s books, but you want the politics left out of them? And when it’s not, you get all mad and say you’ll never read her books again? You intolerant people disgust me.

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“Death, blood, gore, good and evil. All of that can be read, explained, and talked easily about with a child. But homosexuality is a different case intirely “

Why? Why can’t it be explained like the rest of the things you listed?

Luna’s Daydream, homosexuality has been made political by the anti-Gay crowd, not homosexuals themselves. and the “Gay” issue is a much smaller issue in the UK than it is in the USA. Since JKR is from the UK, I really don’t believe this was meant to be political.

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SuperAurorGirl, that is the first impression I got when I read it. I guess that says badly about the both of us. For me, I watch way too much SVU! Lol. I feel like the were older than Ariana (about 11 or 12) and boys at that age are capable of it.

I also interpreted it as rape because her trauma was so deep. Physical pain can go away, but that’s emotional. Physical pain is not indelible like that. She exhibited many of the symptoms that rape victims have, the biggest one: holding in her negative emotions until it cripples her. Ariana Dumbledore’s rape only adds more complexity to her character.

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SuperAurorGirl, yeah, I think Ariana was raped too.

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to CHE and others who feel that they would not have read the books if they’d known that Dumbledore was gay:

Please think objectively about what you are saying. Nothing has changed about anything that Dumbledore said or did in the story. Everything which made readers respect Dumbledore is all still true. What difference does some backstory make? If, on Friday night, JKR had somehow magically interjected a torrid gay love scene into the book, well, then I’d agree that it was inappropriate for a story children read. But she did not. NOTHING IS DIFFERENT except your own pre-judgements.

Rather then think of JKR as being cowardly or dishonest, as you called her, I think it was brilliant to allow people to get to know and love Dumbledore, and then later find out that he was gay. This way, we could NOT bring our preconceptions of what we think a gay man is like, and judge the character for his actions, not on his birth.

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There can be total tolerance for somthing and completely different beliefs regaurding it too. Murder is murder. Homosexuality is defined and viewed in many different ways, by our country, our teachers, our peers, our religion, and our families. I want to talk about homosexuality in other settings not, when reading or discussing Harry Potter, thats all. It was rediculous for her to bring this out in such a setting. Also, I hope my children do mimic the adult in their home. Harry and Ginny were having sex at Hogwarts, huh??! Wow, you really read into that! Although I wont be surprised if JK confirms it.

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Hey Lauren, I completely agree with you! There are worse things in the book than homosexuality (even though it isn’t actually in there…haha) yet no one says anything about those things. People say…OMG, the children are exposed to homosexuality, when it ISN’T even in the book! I can’t believe they are complaining about something that isn’t even in there and say nothing about ron and lavender in the 6th book! my goodness!

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Isn’t being gay just a psychological abnormality/anomaly, mutation or condition/issue/problem?

And do you think JKR will make some other HP character/s also come out of the closet soon?

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Murder is murder? Harry murdered Voldemort, though? Really that straight forward?

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Huh?

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ck1, In case you haven’t read enough literature, books and stories mirror our reality. The HP world is detailed and very deep. Each character is complex. Death is also viewed in different ways in different cultures. So is euthanasia (which is exactly what Snape did). The concept of Soul is also different from person to person. How was JKR ridiculous for bring DD out of the closet? JKR already presents highly touchy subjects in her novels. She even puts in bestiality (Aberforth). So, how is she changing what she has already done by explicitly saying DD is gay? When she’s already put ample taboo subjects in the books.

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Harry killed Voldemort. You were saying that “murder is murder,” suggesting that is invariably evil. But it really wasn’t evil in Harry’s case. He had to kill Voldemort or the world would never be right again. So you can look at everything so stringently. Maybe then homosexuality, though of course it is a gray area to many (not to me), maybe isn’t so big of a gray area and can actually be explained simply since murder is so as simple as it sounds.

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May the force be with you all.

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Isn’t being gay just a psychological abnormality/anomaly, mutation or condition/issue/problem?

No, it is neither an abnormality, anomaly, mutation, condition, issue OR problem, thank you very much.

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why does it matter so much if dumbledore is gay? People are acting like dumbledore and his love life is the whole story. the story isn’t about dumbledore’s love life. it’s about deafeating an evil wizard…i don’t get all this anger..???

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Either this thread is being monitored a LOT more closely or people have started becoming more civil to each other. Let’s hope it’s the latter!

It seems most people are upset because they didn’t think homosexuality should have been addressed in the books. It is the parents’ right to raise this topic with their children.

To that I have a comment (okay, a rhetorical question) and a question: 1) Homosexuality is NOT in the books, remember? 2) What about all the other, far more disturbing content? What do parents tell their children about inferi, unforgivable curses, torturing people to the point of madness, the concept of “Toujours Pur”, disowning one’s children,, forcing kin to live in a closet? I could go on and on. All of these instances are opportunities to teach our children. Why not a brief and simple explanation of homosexuality (no graphic details necessary) if one feels one has to address a point not even stated in the books?

If you find yourself in the uncomfortable position of having to “defend” the books, consider the people from whom you’re defending them. A little education may be in order! I conversed with a colleague after I heard her declare she would never let her children read the books. After I assured her that homosexuality is never mentioned in the books, she changed her mind. Open-minded people are capable of listening, learning, arguing their points logically and without rancor, and sometimes even changing their minds.

This hubbub reminds me of when John Lennon in the 1960s, commenting on how unreasonably popular the Beatles had become, stated that the Beatles had become more popular than Christ. Not more important, not better; more popular. And from the standpoint of a young man who risked being trampled to death any time he faced a crowd of girls, it seemed an innocent thing to say. But the Bible Belt began burning Beatle records and burning John in effigy, even after he sought to clarify his statement. We don’t learn much in forty years, do we?

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Leaky Elves, I know you’ve been putting in a LOT of hours lately, but could you please put up a transcript of this interview? It’s difficult to hear the questions, and videos in such high demand aren’t performing well. MUCHAS GRACIAS!

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From what she described in the book, I cannot see any point that DD could be a gay. Think about it: a gay betrayed by his lover and arrested his notorious lover still think love as the most powerful magic? Why must Rowling put gay role here? Would it be better that DD was in love with a beautiful witch, who sacrificed her life in protecting DD from Grindwald? Isn’t that be more plausible?

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The more I hear from JKR, the more respect I have for her. She’s absolutely right to be a bit irritated about the fuss – being gay is just one facet of Dumbledore’s personality, the same as having piercing blue eyes or being brilliant at legilimency – it’s loving, just like everyone else, that is his tragedy.

JKR: “It has certainly never been news to me that a brave and brilliant man could love other men.”

Way to go Jo!

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Wow. After many days and night this debate hasn’t stopped yet. JRK ‘felt’ Dumbledore is gay. But what she felt about him won’t change the way I feel about Dumbledore. Dumbledore is still the same selfless HERO for me.

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As a gay male and a huge fan of the books, I am disappointed that Jo didn’t make it explicit in book 7 that Albus was in love with Gellert. There’s no reason to not have written this unambiguously in the books. She openly includes diversity on all other levels in her books, but censored herself from having an outright gay character, and made this omission at the expense of the plot making optimal sense. Jo only gets a B- for courage by outing Albus in a Q&A session(sorry Melissa): the A+ for advancing tolerance would have been to not have a double standard in the actual books and discuss same-sex love as openly as she does for straight characters. She was uniquely positioned to make a difference around the world: millions of gay kids live through depression and tortured, closeted existences because they see that their identities aren’t portrayed out in the open in books and films the way straight identities are. Many commit suicide in silence. Jo won’t make one tenth of the difference now that she would have if she’d stated it clearly in book 7.

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Do I think it is okay that Dumbledore was gay. Sure, why not. Do I think that it detracts from the story. Not in the least. Will it keep me from reading the books to my children. Absolutely not. Will it be something that I discuss with my children if they ask about it? Absolutely. It will be a frank forum for them and I to discuss the issue, and it will force me to address the issue before someone else, like a teacher or a mate does.

Do I think Jo will ultimately regret outing Dumbeldore? I hope not, but I think she will.

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Talking to children. I am of the opinion that most of the people who are engaging in hate speech really are trolls and are not really HP fans. Last week, the books were fine for most kids. Not a word in the book has changed, but this week suddenly they’re inappropriate. It’s not THAT difficult talking to children. It takes thought and reflection, and I recommend thinking about it ahead of time..because as all you other parents out there know, your child will pop a difficult question while you’re changing the oil! It has to be age appropriate. It has to resonate with your values. If you need help, some great organizations are Colage (Children of Lesbians and Gays Everywhere), and PFlag (pflag.org) which is a wonderful organization for heterosexual family members and friends. They all have simple and clear talking points. Another WONDERFUL web site is tolerance.org. Check it out.

Susan

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is the video working for others?

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@Ring Wraith (and anyone else of the same opinion)

The only reason JK said this now, and not before, is because she was asked a direct question about Dumbledore’s love life and seeing as all books are finished and most fans had already read them she didn’t feel the need to hide anything in fear of giving out spoilers. It’s not like this wouldn’t have come out in the encyclopedia anyway. You’d also might want to read this http://hogwartsprofessor.com/?p=198 -link first provided by Matt

After reading all that, I’d like to listen to the ways she could’ve answered this question without outing him.

Does anyone but me think that Elphias and Albus were a couple? I swear I didn’t pick up any undertones of a romantic relationship from Grindelwald and Dumbledore before this (And I’m still apprehensive) but somehow I did with Elphias and Albus. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my part… a happy ending (yes I consider having found love something of a happy ending), as it were, for a man that went through so much.

Also a few quotes for y’all that can’t learn to accept or the very least tolerate.

“Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands?”—Ernest Gaines “There’s this illusion that homosexuals have sex and heterosexuals fall in love. That’s completely untrue. Everybody wants to be loved.” ~Boy George “I don’t think homosexuality is a choice. Society forces you to think it’s a choice, but in fact, it’s in one’s nature. The choice is whether one expresses one’s nature truthfully or spends the rest of one’s life lying about it.” ~Marlo Thomas “I’ve wondered what my sexuality might be, but I’ve never wondered whether it was acceptable or not. Anyway, who really cares whether I’m gay or straight?” ~George Michael “I get sick of listening to straight people complain about, “Well, hey, we don’t have a heterosexual-pride day, why do you need a gay-pride day?” I remember when I was a kid I’d always ask my mom: “Why don’t we have a Kid’s Day? We have a Mother’s Day and a Father’s Day, but why don’t we have a Kid’s Day?” My mom would always say, “Every day is Kid’s Day.” To all those heterosexuals that bitch about gay pride, I say the same thing: Every day is heterosexual-pride day! Can’t you people enjoy your banquet and not piss on those of us enjoying our crumbs over here in the corner?” ~Rob Nash “You could move.” ~Abigail Van Buren, “Dear Abby,” in response to a reader who complained that a gay couple was moving in across the street and wanted to know what he could do to improve the quality of the neighborhood. “When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one.” ~Epitaph of Leonard P. Matlovich,

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Let’s look at this from a purely logical perspective. JK Rowling knew exactly what she was doing. She did not include DD’s homosexuality in any of the books because she wanted them to sell, and sell big! No parent would have purchased a child’s book about an openly gay “hero”. Just wouldn’t happen. She can write, but she has no integrity. What a disappointment.

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I actually found it

“explicit in book 7 that Albus was in love with Gellert … written this unambiguously”. I think that’s a matter of interpretation. I know I certianly came out of DH feeling like Dumbledore was ‘more than friends’ with Grindelwald. Aberforth’s reaction and their estrangement I actually find more likely if Grindelwald was Albus’ lover, not just a close friend.

I imagine intolerance of homosexuality in the wizarding wrold of the 1940s etc to parallel that of us Muggles.

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For seven summers in a row I let my kid play all day over at my neighbor David’s house. Sure Dave was older and quirky, but my son came to idolize him. As school got back into session this year he told me that he planned to be just like Dave when he grows up. Then yesterday, I find out that Dave is an alcoholic. He drank in front of my kid nearly everyday. I understand that people don’t chose to be alcoholics, you’re just born that way. You have no choice. You have an urge and you have to satisfy that. This is how I feel.

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Now all of you rabid homosexuals are going to jump down my throat about how LOTS of parents would have purchased that book…I am so sorry you feel like you have to be rabid. And I have to remind you that it is a straight world – you are in the minority, and that said, the book would not have been anywhere near as successful.

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I don’t care what DD is…..He is my idol and always remain one…..

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Not to knock her reasoning, but making it more clear that Dumbledore was gay in her novels would have gone a long way toward the character development she’s so interested in furthering.

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this is so stupid. everyone i know just laughed at the revelation. SO HE’S GAY. SO WHAT? jo said SHE always thought of dumbledore as gay. YOU can interpret him however you wish. I, however, will listen to her on this one, because after all, SHE created him. Did any of you honestly think that of all the hundreds of characters in the books, NONE of them were gay??? ugh, and you people who say “sexuality of any kind doesnt belong in a children’s book.” O RLY? then what about harry and ginny? ron and lavender? snape and lily (albeit unrequited)? For that matter, James and Lily. Mr. and Mrs. Weasley? Tonks and Remus? She makes ONE person gay, and it’s a problem? How very intolerant of you. I’m ashamed to be a Potter fan with the likes of you.

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I “chose” to be gay the same day you “chose” to be straight. The only choice I ever made was simply in accepting who and what I already was.

It is not “a straight world”, it is not gay world. It is not a black or white world. It is a diverse world.

This sure got us talkin’, huh?

Brian:-)

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His lover? Jo never even confirms if G returned Albus’s feelings.

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whew 600plus comments on the topic! anyhoo…

...about Dumbledore stating:”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

exactamento! what i’ve been saying in the other forums who can’t shut up. if they don’t agree, fine. we aren’t forcing anyone to love Harry Potter/Jo/Dumbledore.

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Has anyone of the narrow minded people here read her books? As Jo said IT IS IN the books, more to say in the final one. “And then of course he came…Grindelwald and I…did I know, in my heart of hearts, what Gellert Grindelwald was? I think I did, but I closed my eyes…all my dreams would come true.” (p. 573-574) For an adult it is so clear to interpret this as an infatuation, for children it might look as a very close friendship. She said it all. And all was well!

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Its funny that many people referance the bible in their complaints but fail to remember that the bible also says “love thy neighbour”,its convinient how certain people only remember the parts that suit them.For years the HP series has been ridiculed and judged by people but it survived and it will continue to do so.Jk mentioned that she has not “writen off” the idea of a HP prequal (source News24 s.a).I wonder if a world leader would get this much hype if he was to fall out of the closet lol. Blessed be

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People, people..WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE IF DUMBLEDORE PREFERRED THE COMPANY OF MEN? How does this affect the books at all? If anything it adds MORE depth because of what he had to go through with Grindelwald. People say it ruined the books..HOW? Dumbledore’s love life is never even mentioned. This just brought all the homophobes out of the woodwork it seems. When I think about it, I think it is very fitting for his character as a whole. Why are so many people so closed minded?

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SPOILER ALERT <<< I almost forgot : someone said Harry murdered Voldy but if I remember correctly or interpreted it correctly Voldy killed himself as his curse backfired

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Uh, Whitney, gay people don’t make a big deal out of being gay. STRAIGHT people do. They’re the ones who get so upset and outraged at stuff like this. JKR just stated simply that DD was gay in answer to a question. It was the media that gasped and suddenly it’s a “big deal”. And by the way, the parades are all about fighting intolerance, which gays wouldn’t have to do if people like you kept their hatred to themselves.

As far as JKR being a coward by waiting until now to announce it, anyone thinking that doesn’t have a clue about good writing. Revealing all the mysteries right off the bat lessens their dramatic impact. Duh. Did Darth Vader reveal his bloodline to Luke Skywalker in the first Star Wars? Did Agatha Christie reveal all the clues in the first chapter?

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The thing is, Dumbledore is no longer Rowling’s character, except in cases of copyright infringement. The books are written. The canon is finished. Everything is on paper, and there’s no “Dumbledore was gay” anywhere in the books. Now when she speaks of the Potter saga, she doesn’t do so as a writer writing a story: now she is just a reader, and her words have just as much power as any other reader’s. She may declare Hermione cheated on Ron with Harry next, but I’m not going to believe that.

And to you, all of you, who are promoting tolerance here: you never spent an evening comforting a crying ten-year-old, because the author of his favourite book said one of his favourite characters was gay, and the character’s brother did the nasty with a goat? Or would you call these children untolerant homophobes and ask them to shut up, too, I wonder?

If Dumbledore, one of my favourite characters, was a real person, he’d probably sue J.K. Rowling for exposing his private life in a way only Rita Skeeter would have done.

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Oh really, she NEVER said Aberforth did the nasty with a goat! Dumbledore is NOT a real person so i think going on about his private life exposed it stretching it. Oh adn waht was all thet SKeeter stuff then if not an exposition ROFLOL.

As to her not owning the character any more cos she has wrotten him. Er, intellectual property doesn’t end cos the series is finished. He is STILL and alwas will be her character.

This is the most ridiculous thing in the world. No one cares that Jo has published the most environmentally friendly book EVER all becasue she outed a FICTIONAL character!!!

What was the point of DH again???? Oh that’s right Dumbledore had secrets…well suck it up this is another secret he ahd!!!

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JK Rowling did a great injustice to her readers and she needs to apologize.

She has destroyed the imiginative interpretation of millions of readers and could careless.

Why didn’t she just pass on the question. She is certainly old enough to understand the implications of her answer, yet she said it anyway. And no, she is not just another reader. She, as can be seen, has the power to change the interpretations within her book after the ending. She does not want to admit she this and takes no responsibility for the effect it has had. Just reading the blogs and having to field the questions from interviewers is evidence.

I am affraid she has done this for publicity, since that is the nature of her tour.

I am extremely dissappointed, she has almost ruined in one swoop what took her years to build – credibility and children readership.

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Honestly, I had a deep respect for Dumbledore. Now, knowing he WAS gay, I admit: my big respect and admiration for this character is fallen apart, it´s not fit me. I really think Jo only asnwered about DD´s sexuality after all the books published as an cowardly act. This kind of info is important, so many people in the world yet have issues about homossexuals characters, worst, homossexuals characters on books with infant and teen public. This would, and will, affects the numbers about this marvelous saga.

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For everyone who is saying it wasn’t in the books. Remember JKR said he was INFATUATED with Gridlewald, not that they had an actual romance. So it wasn’t like she was going to put them making out in the book. That wouldn’t be cannon.

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I can’t stand reporters. Here she is getting an award for her contribution to the environmental crisis and they are asking her about Dumbledore comeing out of the closet. Jeez.

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Ok, I’ve refrained from commenting so far but I’m just going to say a quick little bit.

The annoucement that Dumbledore is gay changes nothing for me. He’s still a fantastic character and whether he is gay or straight is no reason for me to change my opinion. I formed my original opinion based on his personality/kindness/etc and how he came across to me personally in the books, and not because his sexuality (which I didn’t pick up on at all when I read it). Call me naive, but I don’t understand how sexuality should change people’s opinions of a character whether it be for the good or bad. Surely he’s still the same person? Why should you like him more/dislike him just because of his sexuality? Should sexuality really matter at all? Through the last book my opinion changed about him as I saw him as being quite manipulative in using Harry and Snape, but then I realised he was just a naive man trying to do the best for everyone else around him. Surely this is more significant than his sexuality? (I realise that’s a lot of questions, but I’m sure you get my point.)

Thanks. And apologies if this happens to have offended anyone in someway. That wasn’t my intention. :)

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I think many of the responders are infatuated with JKR.

Please wake up out of your trance. She is just a writer, and one who made a big mistake that has severely damaged her credibility.

Her attitude has put a shadow on the entire story. Any thought she has been doing something positive for children has vanished. She, like many celebrities, have taken on a cause. A cause that has replaced the reason she has become so popular.

I’m sure she doesn’t care, the checks keep coming.

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To the person who said he had to comfort a 10 year old because the child was crying because DD was gay: Perhaps you should have told the child that it is no reason to cry about.Some people are differant than others and just because their sexual preferance differs from the majority does not change who the person is/was.

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This is not an issue about whether one likes or dislikes homosexuals.

It is about the way JKR is using the topic to generate publicity.

Revelations about Neville are also odd. How he met up with Hannah Abbott is contrived, as well. And for some reason she thinks living above a pub is “cool.” Does she share this about Ableroth? What messages is she trying to send? Or is it for effect, telling people what they may want to her just for adulation?

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I was and still am a fan of the Harry Potter books. And I give due credit to JKR for sparking the joy of reading in children. That being said…

It is the timing of this revelation of Dumbledore’s homosexuality, and not the revelation itself that bother’s me. If in fact this was part of Jo Rowling’s movement of tolerance, than why didn’t she tackle the issue within the pages of her books? She spent a lot of time addressing other types of intolerance, and even physical/ romantic relationships. The theme of tolerance in her book is one the Western World has already long accepted. It took no act of courage to write. If Jo Rowling truly had always envisioned Dumbledore to be gay, then she intentionally kept it a secret, kept him “In the closet” to avoid hindering book sales.

Further support of this argument is the fact that she has been asked about Dumbledore’s Romantic past before. She has always remained ambiguous on the subject. So why did she suddenly find the courage to answer this question truthfully? Guarding the end of the book is such a convenient defense. She could have revealed his sexuality without giving up one tidbit of the ending. In doing so she could have truly challenged people to find acceptance of homosexuality as they consciously made the decision to buy the last book. Revealing the secret now when she no longer has to worry about the controversy hindering sales is hypocrisy to the theme of her books!

Everybody should see it for what it is. This is a self satisfying act on the Part of JKR. For her to even say “this is my character and I can say what I want”. That is selfish. She gave the universe of Harry Potter to the world, the moment she decided to publish and sell the book and make a fortune. The Story no longer belonged to her. It belonged to everybody! How would everybody feel if the original Author of Cinderella suddenly decided that the Prince was a Bigot and womanizer and had many mistresses including one of the step sisters? Cinderella then spent her remaining years hopelessly chasing after the affection of her Prince who lost all interest in her after she gave birth to a son?

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The ignorance and bigotry expressed on this board is so ludicrous, it’s become laughable.

But the TRASHING of Jo Rowling should be STOPPED!

This should not be acceptable on Leaky!

Melissa, Sue, and John, PLEASE! It’s time to SHUT THIS DOWN!

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I am sad to say that JKR’s “revelation” really spoiled for me the pleasure of reading the HP series. What a pity, such a model character trashed down like that. Why, in her wiew, DD had to be in love with Grindelwald? Why could they not be the best of friends? Is she going to say that Harry and Ron are infatuated next? Both cheating on Hermione and Ginny? What a pity, really…

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I think it is quite controversial. Someone mentioned somewhere in previous discussion that it is as controversial as Hermione having abortion (or sth similar). I would not hate a girl for having abortion but I might have a problem with it because I might think different then her.

Nevertheless, I quite agree with what person nicked “They might be giants” said on 23.10.07, 05:57 PM, let me quote him/her:

”... However Dumbledore never confesses he was gay in the book. And should not effect anyone who is reading it. If you do not want him to be gay then he is not. At least in the book in which you paid 20 dollars for. Now maybe in the author’s mind he is. But once you put your book out there people have a right to interpet it their own way. They do not need anyones permission.”

I would like to stress IF YOU DO NOT WANT HIM TO BE GAY THEN HE IS NOT. If you are gay, you can love JKR for saying this. If you are not gay but you are sympathizing (could not find better word, sorry), you can be happy too. If you have a problem with it you can simply ignore her statemen because for you, inside your mind, Dumbledore can be whatever you want him to be. This is fiction, not real world, real persons, so ignoring her statement is not the same as being blind to what someone is or isn’t. Frankly speaking I am not much interested in what extra information she gives to her books and I usually don’t read . I love the BOOKS, the way she tells the story, the fun there etc. But I don’t need to know anything extra – I don’t need anybody to think instead of me, to imagine more things for me. I like to imagine it my own way. I have never been much interested in her “backstage” answers to several questions and I think I missed many her thoughts on other characters (you probably understand I was not able to excape THIS one :o))) . I don’t know such thoughts and I can happily live without them and still love HP books. I don’t want to offend people ho yearn for more information from JKR, I only say you are free to interpret the books your own way and you don’t have to take her words for holy. The books are canon, the word of mouth is not.

So, what I wanted to say with all this :) is that if you love the books but hate Dumbledore to be gay then simply ignore her. Her statement tells you something about how JKR thinks and that she is tolerant toward gays. It it needs not tell you what to think about Dumbledore. If your child cries because of it, explain him/her it is not necessary to imagine him like this. Stick to the books and imagine it your own way.

On the other hand I would also like to say something to those of you who don’t understand someone can be disappointed or angry now. Maybe you are very tolerant but I am sure you can understand that it is very controversial for someone. If someone believes homosexuality is bad it does not necessarily mean hating gays. So be tolerant also towards people who have big problem with what JKR said and who feel disappointed or betrayed. Imagine JKR saying something different about some character, something you really hate, imagine what you would feel. I am a Jehowah’s Witness and many people hate us. What if JKR said “I have always thought about Lupin being a Jehowah’s Witness and preaching to people on streets” :o)))) Someone would be happy that JKR thought about religion in her books, others would think it was a joke (I would :o)), others would not accept it and hate her for they hate JW. But it is not in the books, guys, so why bother?

Whatever you think about gays you can ignore JKR’s stateme or this discussion or newspaper articles and STILL LOVE THE BOOKS AND STICK TO YOUR BELIEFS. It is only up to you.

Errr, sorry for such a long comment!

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K Prez wrote -

The ignorance and bigotry expressed on this board is so ludicrous, it’s become laughable.

But the TRASHING of Jo Rowling should be STOPPED!

This should not be acceptable on Leaky!

Melissa, Sue, and John, PLEASE! It’s time to SHUT THIS DOWN!

No one is trashing anyone. The very large minority (allegedly) of Potter readers who were, to put it neutrally, “dissapointed” by JKR’s outing of Dumbledore and her obvious motivation to not do so beforehand, deserve their freedom of speech. Since when was Leaky not allowed to express honest criticism of JKR ? This is getting more and more like 1984 every day !

The fact is – this silly “outing” is by far the most controversial and needless thing that JKR has ever done. She has ruined the exeprience of Potter for so many parents and their children as so many posters above have said.

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“Someone mentioned somewhere in previous discussion that it is as controversial as Hermione having abortion (or sth similar).”

Being gay is as controversial as having an abortion? So you mean the ending of a human life by choice, is as controversial as someone’s sexuality (not a choice?) :-o Don’t think so.

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If Rowling has admitted there were clues as to Dumbledore’s homosexuality, we will from now on suspect what other “surprises” she has hidden in her stories. I find the revelation a grave disappointment and see this as the beginning of the end for Ms. Rowling. She has opened the door for every smut peddler to capitalize on her concealed sexuality in a childrens series. Besides, once a book is finished and in print the reader interpretation becomes the rule. She has stated, “He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him,”. NOT FAIR after the fact! Since JK never mentions Dumbledore’s sexual preference in print I declare that Dumbledore was a perfectly normal straight adult. In spite of her imaginative mind, this woman has some serious problems. How does one equate infatuation/hero worship with homosexuality??? Regardless, there will never again be a JK Rowling book, movie or any other product within my home. She has betrayed the trust of millions of parents and children with her silly assertions.

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IT IS MY OPINION THAT THIS REVELATION OPENS UP A WHOLE REALM OF QUESTIONS. THROUGHOUT THE SERIES, DUMBLEDORE WAS TRYING TO IMPRESS UPON HARRY THAT WHAT SEPERATED HIM FROM VOLDEMORT WAS HIS ABILITY TO LOVE. DID DUMBLEDORE BELIEVE THAT HIS LOVE FOR HIS BROTHER AND SISTER WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIS LOVE FOR GRINDELWALD? DID HE BELIEVE THAT, EVEN THOUGH THE RELATIONSHIP ENDED BADLY, HE WAS BETTER FOR OPENING HIMSELF UP TO LOVE? I’M CONFUSED.

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to R, about “controversial”: But this is exactly what I mean! Some people think abortion is killing human beings. Others believe women have right to decide and that it is not a human beeing really. It is controversial, as I said. People are not united in what to think is right. It is the same with homosexuality – some think it is bad, some think it is kind of illness, some believe it is natural. People are not united in what to think of it. It means it is controversial. I don’t know why to have problems with the word “controversial” here, I think it means when people argue about, when it is a topic causing passionate arguments. And it is, this discussion is proving it. Abortions. Gay rights. Death sentences. Etc.

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To “R” again – according to English thesaurus on-line: controversy = Dispute, especially a public one, between sides holding opposing views.

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I have been waiting to respond/comment on the perfect response, and that response for me is from Bellatrix (posted today, Oct. 24). What Bellatrix posted is pretty much what I have been feeling since I first heard the news on Friday night. While I do enjoy hearing what Jo has to say about the characters and their lives and other backstory, ultimately, what is in the books is open to MY interpretation. I always felt that the relationship between Dumbledore and Grindelwald was that of an “agape”, or brotherly, love. I never picked up on any “clues” to Dumbledore’s sexual orientation. It doesn’t matter to me one bit!

I am a Christian, grew up as a Christian, and I still love Dumbledore and what he stood for. I was taught from an early age that even if you believe that something is a sin, you love the person, and not the sin. You don’t have to agree with his life choices to still appreciate, respect and honor the person-fictional or not.

I do think that the revelation was made at an inconvenient time, as two days before we had just read the article from MTV about what kind of religious/spiritual meaning was in the books and how Jo does go to church and is a religious person. Had we not just read that, would those opposed to Jo and her revelation about Dumbledore’s sexual orientation be so fired up and ready to reject such wonderful fiction?

Ultimately, Jo is right…her characters are her characters. If she wants to out them, hey, who am I to stand in her way or complain about it? It’s what she imagined!

I thank God each and every day for the way my parents raised me…to be a strong believer in what I have learned from the Bible, to respect others no matter their choices (no one is perfect…we all sin!), and to accept people-including their faults! In closing, those who can accept this new information and go on enjoying the books, bravo! Those who cannot, well, I truly feel you will be missing out on a wonderful story and a chance to teach your children/family what your beliefs are. Please don’t throw away this chance to explain differences and how to deal with those differences.

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“No one is trashing anyone.” “Since when was Leaky not allowed to express honest criticism of JKR ? This is getting more and more like 1984 every day !”. “She has ruined the exeprience of Potter for so many parents and their children as so many posters above have said.”

@ M Jones, R U KIDDING???

Have you even bothered to read the comments on this board??? Probably NOT. You’re too busy expressing your outrage over an author whose writing has given millions of people so much pleasure. So sorry that JKR’s revelation has “ruined” the experience for you!

Can this get any more pathetic???

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Here we go again…

Be nice everyone. Be accepting. Don’t hate. We are Harry Potter fans, are we not? We learned from Stone to Hallows that discrimination is wrong, so why are we being discriminatory now?

As for those who think homosexuality is bad for children. Well… why would you think so? By turning children from homosexuality would harm their future opinions. Much like the homophobia that circled in this site, I suspect many had homophobic parents that spoke bigoted remarks, or bad influence from the church. Honestly. Listen to yourselves! Those who speak of the “unnaturalness” and “sin” (based on the bible) of homosexuality: Is it not unnatural to repress sexual urges as it tells you to in the bible? Is it not unnatural to have virgin birth? All these hypocritical comments are selective, biased, prejudiced, and downright rude.

What makes you people think that you are better than minorities? That people who are different should be ignored and excluded from stories. That children should be delusional until they grow up to be just as prejudiced and ignorant as their parents? It’s a good thing JK opened up their eyes, and hopefully, spread some good tolerance into their heads that are so easily manipulated.

To the people who believe this revelation brought Harry Potter back to reality, and distorted your “dream world where you could hide yourself in”. Okay, honestly, I don’t want to say this, but your dream world can have all the violence you want, such as genocide, racism, slavery, abuse, and rape (hey, if not Ariana, then Merope to Marvolo), but not a simple thing like love between two men? What kind of “escape from reality” is this?. Selective? It’s a stupid thing to say, and you know it.

As for the immature people on here, who are just spewing all this crap about ruining Dumbledore, and lowering his hero status: Well, if you don’t like this, then go back to watching Disney where you can have all the perfect protagonists of the world. Forget the genius of this book, if that’s what you want. You don’t deserve good writing if you only want your heroes to be the same.

Oh, and for the people who are hating on Jo: It’s true this spawned a lot of press. So what? Harry Potter was always going to be shocking, and huge, and controversial. Laura Mallorys of the world, they didn’t come out of nowhere. Jo likes it big and loud, and why shouldn’t she? It’s giving the fans what they want, more tidbits about the characters, it’s a good marketing move for her publishers, because this is gonna be bringing home the big bucks, and she’s teaching children around the world about acceptance and hatred. This is a big move for America, but a small one for Europe. America afterall, is a petulant, ignorant teenager compared to Europe which as existed and accepted reality for years. When will America grow up? We’ll never know.

And on my last word, to say that Jo is making us all turn against each other is a good thing. Why, she’s separating the good people from the bad. If she’s making Christians angry, well good for her. It’s their fault they’re against so many things, and maybe it’s time give them a sharp kick from reality and trick their kids so that they won’t be as narrow-minded as their church elders. Well… that’s as far as my rant goes.

Honestly. It’s Jo’s character, after all. Betrayal beshmayal. If you were Jo’s fan (and ultimately Harry Potter’s fan) through and through, you wouldn’t call this betrayal—you’d call this a ripe new peice of information, and you can’t wait to rip another one out of her before the release of the encyclopedia.

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Che get over it! Your intolerable conservative views are beyond primitive. I thought the bible preached acceptance and love of others no matter what. DD is a wonderful character, a leader and a mentor not only to Harry and the rest of the chracters but to many readers world wide. Hia sexual preference is a minor detail that has nothing to do with who the character is, what he did in the book and how he treats others. Get over it! And get with the program- discrmination is out and acceptance is in. Being different from does not equall wrong!

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Oh I forgot. Dumbledore being gay doesn’t change anything. In the books, it’s viewed as an infatuation—but not on the terms you guys keep thinking. He was infatuated with the power he could have if he went along with Grindelwald; he was infatuated with him because he was just as great and powerful as he and he could see the benefits of being his companion… AND NO, he was not infatuated because he wanted to have sex with him!

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To JKR, with all due respect: I appreciated your constant concern for readers being spoiled the joy of reading HP by knowing the endings ahead of time, but now I see that you don’t give a damn for spoilers. You have spoiled everything to me with your untimely “afterword”. But I have learned the lesson, and will never again allow myself so much admiration for a writer until he/she has said the last word. To me it feels like a betrayal to Dumbledore’s memory.

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Wow, I have a lot to say.

I forgot something again. That last woman really pissed me off. Clearly she was not a fan. Why would we need to know about Dumbledore’s sexuality explicitly in the books? Guys, she didn’t write this book so that she could preach gay rights! Yes, it emphasized acceptance by celebrating all kinds of people, and all kinds of “wrongs” in society—but it’s not a goddamn Gay Parade book. That stupid woman was clearly in the wrong. WHY would Jo put Dumbledore’s relationship with Grindelwald in books five or six when we only find out about Dumbledore’s infatuation with power in book seven? SHE HAS put it in book seven, that reporter was just too retarded to see. She put the strong bond between Dumbledore and Grindelwald, and I guess that implied homosexuality. Dumbledore being homosexual was NOT the key part. People need to know that. Dumbledore being gay has nothing to do with the story; it’s not like a “OMG SPOILER” thing. It’s not like the story changed. It’s not like the character changed.

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I think everyone is forgetting that we are all entitled to our own opinion…even if it means you aren’t happy with Jo or the information she gives out after the books are done! Haven’t most of us been clamoring for more information? I’m truly looking forward to the encyclopedia…

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Honestly, this is all sort of insane. As an adult reading the book, I had no inclination that DD may have been gay. It was not ever revealed in the books, so talking about having to explain it to children who read the book is sort of silly. My 11 year old has read the books, and not once did she ask me if DD was gay. How will your children know if you don’t tell them or if they have not seen the news conference? On the other hand, what a great way to open up a discussion with your child about people being different and acceptance of everyone.

This does nothing to change the books. Knowing that Harry marries Ginny does nothing to change the way his story plays out. He still kisses Cho in an earlier book, even though he marries Ginny at the end of the series.

JKR simply added a new dimension to a character she created. Now those of us who are still on her side can go back and reread the series for the subtlties that I am sure are there! This gives me another reason to reread HP!

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This is sort of insane. What bothers me is that people are saying kids will be hurt or upset over this…But kids have been too sheltered from the real world if that is the case. I myself am 13, and not one of my friends has been the least bit upset over this. They think it’s cool.

If it is in your beliefs that that is a problem, I respect that as your opinion. But saying that children shouldn’t need to know that there are gay people out there bothers me. I’m sorry if this offends anyone, but I think kids are stronger than people give them credit for.

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Sorry, this isn’t directly related to Jo’s announcement (I don’t think we should worry too much about that since Dumbledore is fictional) but it has served to stir the debate about homosexuality, which interests me. Since it seems to interest so many other people here, I wonder if those who have no problem with homosexuality wouldn’t mind answering three questions:

1. Do you have a problem with a 45 year old man sleeping with a consenting 14 year old girl, and if so, why?

2. Do you have a problem with bestiality, and if so, why?

3. Why do you take such huge issue with those people who have a problem with homosexuality? (Obviously, I’m anticipating that your answers to the first two questions will be “Yes.”)

Thanks, I’m curious to see responses!

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Oh, thank you, Emily H. :)

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YAWN!

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People do have to realize that it’s her series and her characters and she can do what she wants with them.

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It’s really sad that something that should be intrinsic to us all irregardless of what your religion dictates, or your own personal beliefs is instead labelled, and mocked as a self rightous cause or agenda.

There is no gay agenda, just an expectation to be treated as a human. Now is that really too difficult to accept?

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Mathmajor – I don’t see whatsoever what your questions have to do with homosexuality??

1. Do you have a problem with a 45 year old man sleeping with a consenting 14 year old girl, and if so, why?

Well I don’t really see it as a “problem” if a 45 year old slept with a 14 year old, if she was consenting. Kids get up to anything these days don’t they. The other day I read that a 10 year old was pregnant to a 13 year old! I would say that the 45 year old was ..totally.. wrong to do it, though.

What does this have to do with sex anyway? lol

2. Do you have a problem with bestiality, and if so, why?

Well yeah – poor animals!! Silly question.

3. Why do you take such huge issue with those people who have a problem with homosexuality?

Well I’m gay myself so of course I have a problem with it, I just wish people were more accepting of others and not so predjudiced/hating. I don’t have any problem at all with heterosexuals. Well I didn’t until I started reading this thread lol. What do you people GAIN by hating us gays? I don’t understand it.

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Robbie:

First, I do not hate you, I just disagree with. I believe that homosexuality is wrong, just like I believe adultery is wrong, just like I believe lust is wrong, just like I believe hatred is wrong. A lot of people will say that homosexuality is “worse” than something like hatred, but I don’t think so. We all have our problems. I think some people struggle with homosexuality. I myself have a tendency towards anger which others are fortunate enough to not have. So I don’t think that my lifestyle is by nature any “better” than yours. I disagree with things I myself do, even as I do them. I don’t see why I can’t disagree with things other people do…disagreeing with them also does not mean that I somehow think they’re inferior.

With regards to two of your answers:

1. By “sleeping with” I meant “having sex,” so this has everything to do with sex. You said that the man would be “wrong to do it,” but you also said you didn’t see it as a problem. Please explain further.

2. You’re right, bad question. Here’s another: Do you have a problem with incest between a brother and sister if the girl’s on the pill and the guy’s wearing a condom?

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I don’t understand those parents which feel “forced” to explain tings to their kids. It’s funny – I had to explain the word “gay” to my son (10) a few days before Rowlings revelation about Dumbledore. I heard, some boys in school use this word to insult each other. So I told him, I think they don’t even know what this word means because it is not an insult. I explained the word to him. That’s that. He now knows there is gay people living in our world. If you feel your child is too young for a certain piece of information, don’t answer it until you think it’s time. Just don’t wait too long – they could get their answers somewhere else. I prefer to answer it myself. I dont’t care if Dumbledore is gay or straight. After reading the story about him and Grindelwald I suspected it. Like Rowling said – Kids just see the friendship, we adults can see some more. I don’t see what’s the big thing about it. I just wished there would be some more happy gay characters in literature and movies – but that won’t happen until there are more happy gay people in real life and we are not there yet, I guess…

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Hi mathmajor – To be honest, I don’t have a problem with people like you who, as you say, disagree with homosexuality. That’s fine. :) The people I have a problem with are the ones that are against it so much, and so vocally, that it just becomes a hatred. The ones that have been burning the Harry Potter books, for example. That’s just silly. These people must REALLY have a problem with Dumbledore being gay, and that’s where the REAL homophobia comes in. And all this AFTER they’ve read the books and liked Dumbledore for who he is, it just shows that their homophobia over-shadows everything about the character that they liked. They hate him for What he is and forget Who he is. The thing is, 99.9% of gay people will say they were born that way. Whatever straight people say – and what do they know? – it’s as much as “our” choice as whether we’re short or tall. In other words, I’m “hated” by some people for something that I couldn’t decide in the first place. Honestly, who would choose to be gay when there’s so much prejudice in this world? (i wouldn’t have it any other way :) ) Nobody really wants to feel like an outsider. What I’m getting at is that your questions about bestiality and sleeping with kids are DECISIONS made by adults, and homosexuality is just a part of who you are. Most gay people are happy with it and like to celebrate being different (ie Pride events) , but of course there are those that hate it – being different to the “norm”. As for having a Lifestyle, personally I don’t like that word. What does it mean? Is there a Heterosexual Lifestyle? I know that I’m different from a lot of gay people out there as I don’t flaunt my sexuality, and don’t go to gay clubs and things like that. Everyone’s different. As is Dumbledore, he’s not a typical gay guy either, and that’s what i think people have a problem with. They just don’t WANT to accept him, even though they like him. So they show their anger through burning books and saying hateful things here… As for your question mathmajor, I personally think incest is wrong, but of course it goes on and they go on Jerry Springer. ;-) The only difference, like I said before, is that a brother can choose to sleep with his sister, if he so wants, but homosexuality is not a choice. Sorry that went on for ages LOL

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Momof4 is busily raising four new little haters. What a nice thought.

Are there any intelligent people against homosexuality? I have not seen comments from a single one, yet.

Jesus would be deeply disappointed in his so-called followers on this board, I think.

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It’s really very easy to be a BIGOT. The only requirement is IGNORANCE…something, which the homophobes on this board, have amply demonstrated!

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PK -humble pie time.

I was wrong to say my comments are being edited out

I apologise.

(I still think debate is healthy !)

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@M Jones

You are not alone!

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The best screenname on this page: iamtiredofrowlingssermons

i couldn’t agree more. it’s like she feels she has to force crap down everyone’s throats, because her readership is too stupid or ignorant or prejudiced. she’s gotten on too high a soapbox.

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“for BOTH positive or negative, legitimate criticism of Rowling’s work.”

I’m glad there’s censoring going on. If you ran a major forum and people were arguing and making racist comments, for example, would you let it go ahead?? It’s just common sense lol.

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Thak you, tiredtoo. Big Grin!

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robbie, that’s not what i was saying. i think she feels that way, not me. thanks for the smile at the end of your comment.

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I know what you’re saying, tiredtoo. She wasn’t on a soapbox at all. She was just answering a question about Dumbledore. If she was going to be preachy she’d have done it in the books. it’s not a sermon, just a reflection of real life.

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Robbie wrote -

I’m glad there’s censoring going on. If you ran a major forum and people were arguing and making racist comments, for example, would you let it go ahead?? It’s just common sense lol.

Sorry – I agree re race obviously. But the point of these forums is surely to encourage debate and – yes -argument !

And boy -has JKR done the latter over Dumbledore !

By the way – I strongly doubt that JKR herself is half as precious as the editors seem to think she is judging by their recourse to censorship. She can give as good as she takes. I and I hope no -one else attack her personal life I’m simply not interested.

But her publihsed work and her comments on the same -Well that must be fair game in any democracy.

All I hope is that the usually brilliant editors of LC (who have done FANTASTIC WORK) over so many years – remember that they are independent and – a fortiari, their readers have the right to comment adversely if necessary on something as huge as the outing of Dumbledore.

I repeat -JKR will I believe, live to regret doing this. It does nothing but harm to her creation and was totally unnecessary and counter-productive. Her stated reasons (see the press conference) were flimsy to say the least. That last questioner was really getting to the hub of the matter that -rightly or wrongly -it certainly appears to many objective observers that she had many, many opportunities to say this previously -but chose to not do so for reasons of profit.

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”He is my character. He is what he is and I have the right to say what I say about him.”

And that pretty much sums up the issue. So everyone stop fighting about and let’s get back to the fun stuff, mmkay? ^_~

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I completely agree with you, Robbie. What a wonderful way to explain why there’s only hints in the books! Guess I’m naive, because I completely missed them…or maybe I was so engrossed in the story that it didn’t matter to me…

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there are two equally fine options:

-listen to every word jkr says like it’s the god’s honest truth, and buy into it wholeheartedly, because she is the author, and has a dictatorial final word.

-listen to jkr, but allow oneself the individuality to make one’s own determinations. like john said above, once the book is in the hands of readers, we breath into the characters our own interpretations.

which ever way you choose - and i, for my part, choose the second option, and do not have a gay dumbledore in my reading - we ought to respect the views of others, and not rage on and on in these forums. it’s ridiculous, and the major outrage seems to me, and forgive me any offense, to be pouring in from the most ardent jkr supporters.

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why are some of my words crossed out? i ought to mention that i did not do that.

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As a Christian, I have always told my acquaintances that the entirely fictional cartoon-like magic in the HP books was a non-issue. And after reading book seven I was ready to happily advertise the novels as 100% Christian works,(since the Christian themes in the last book are much more obvious than before), or at least as “100% Christian-compatible”. Now, with this whole “gay DD” issue, it will be much harder to convince anyone. Bummer.

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@AnyaMarcos. Where do you get off saying that people who are against homosexuality are “non-intelligent?” If any of your parents or grandparents were gay, you wouldn’t be here to post such drivel. Most of the flaming posts I’ve seen here are “pro-gay.” A lot of the others have gone out of their way to say they have gay friends or they don’t hate gays-in short, have shown tolerance for that particular lifestyle. True, there have been posts that have flamed against gays. The way I see it, both sets of flamers are hateful, intolerant people. I’ve seen other posts saying that homosexuality exists in nature-no, it doesn’t. Animals “mounting” each other during non-mating season is an expression of excitement or dominance. It doesn’t have anything to do with sex or procreation. So people need to stop saying that. Let’s not forget that the animal kingdom (which includes humans) was designed for male and female. Two males cannot procreate nor can two females. It is counter productive for ANY of the animal kingdom to have same sex relationships. Don’t you guys get it? None of us would even be here if someone in our direct line of inheritance was gay. Now, aside from all that… I think Jo should have kept her lip zipped on this subject. If the pro-gays want to believe Dumbledore is gay from “hints”—whatever. I’ve read Mercedez Lackey. She made no bones about many of her characters being gay or bi. Jo gave us no indication that Dumbledore was gay and I don’t think he is. I think she decided it after the fact. SHE may be confused about how Dumbledore felt about Grindelwald. :) Great friends can love each other platonically. I have some like that.

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People who are against homosexuality ARE unintellgient. There is no intelligent argument against homosexuality. None. That is a fact no matter how much you shout against it, Amberclear.

I believe that most of the people here who say they are disgusted by homosexuality would rather homosexuals had never been born. If they were to be completely honest, I am relatively certain that they would like to see all homosexuals wiped off the face of the Earth, if they would refuse to “turn” Straight. It’s a very sad thing in this day and age, that people still have thoughtlines along those of Hitler. Hitler wanted to cleanse Germany of all those he deemed unclean. Anti-Gay persons today are thinking along the same lines. Fortunately there are enough rational people in the world today to stand up to them.

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Can we all be a bit less mean to each other? It’s okay to disagree with someone, but we don’t have to be so hateful about it. I don’t think JKR’s reavealing Dumbledore’s sexuality was particularly necessary either. He is a fictional character, after all. But everything I loved about the character last week is still the same today. We all grew fond of Dumbledore for what he represented: kindness, compassion, intellect, humor. What’s really changed? Don’t you have a friend or famiy member who is gay? I’m sure you do, even if you don’t know it. Would you honestly love them less if you DID know? Harry, Hagrid, Hermione, Ron … they were all treated as misfits, but they were really the heroes. JKR was consistently teaching tolerance through her characters. I find this no different. You may disagree, and you may even be angry. But please, let’s get rid of the hateful language on BOTH sides of this debate, shall we?

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“And after reading book seven I was ready to happily advertise the novels as 100% Christian works,(since the Christian themes in the last book are much more obvious than before), or at least as “100% Christian-compatible”. Now, with this whole “gay DD” issue, it will be much harder to convince anyone. Bummer.”

It is a bummer, abosultely. A bummer that you and the other “Christians” had no trouble with the hate, violence, classism, prejudice, blood and torture in the books, but are up in arms against the post-mortem homosexuality of a character. Bummer, indeed. A bummer that people like you are representing Jesus today. In reality, Jesus would be disgusted by you and your kind. And that is a fact.

Christians like you are why there are Atheists like me.

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i’m posting this again, just because i don’t know why certain words were crossed out last time… not to be irritating by posting the same thing time after time.

there are two equally fine options:

-listen to every word jkr says like it’s the god’s honest truth, and buy into it wholeheartedly, because she is the author, and has a dictatorial final word.

-listen to jkr, but allow oneself the individuality to make one’s own determinations. like john said above, once the book is in the hands of readers, we breath into the characters our own interpretations.

which ever way you choose – and i, for my part, choose the second option, and do not have a gay dumbledore in my reading – we ought to respect the views of others, and not rage on and on in these forums. it’s ridiculous, and the major outrage seems to me, and forgive me any offense, to be pouring in from the most ardent jkr supporters.

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“But please, let’s get rid of the hateful language on BOTH sides of this debate, shall we?”

Hate in the name of JESUS and GOD is never hate, bobbi. You should know that by now. :-)

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@AnyaMarcos:

I’ll thank you to NOT compare me to Hitler. Just because I believe that homosexuality goes against the Bible doesn’t mean that I want to see a group of people completly removed from the planet! I do believe that it’s a sin, but that isn’t going to stop me from respecting a gay person just because of their orientation! Truly, it’s people like you who give people like me a bad name and reputation. A person’s sexual orientation is not going to stop me from talking to them, looking at them, or respecting them. That is wrong and I’m not like that.

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“If any of your parents or grandparents were gay, you wouldn’t be here to post such drivel.”

That’s true, but also the most stupid argument against homosexuality I’ve read here yet!!! :-o

Totally agree with AnyaMarcos. While it’s good that many people are no longer racist (compared to 50-100 years ago) it’s a shame that’s not the case yet with homosexuality. Whatever anyone says, both are a hatred towards a group of people who are different to yourself – for reasons that are totally of face value. (Colour/sexuality). No one can be forced to like anyone else, but isn’t it better to get to know someone and not judge them on what they are (black/white/straight/gay) not who they are?

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“I’ll thank you to NOT compare me to Hitler.”

I’m sorry, but the shoe fits. It’s not my fault that your beliefs mirror those of the Third Reich. Hitler had gays exterminated too, did you know that?

“A person’s sexual orientation is not going to stop me from talking to them, looking at them, or respecting them. “

Yet in the back of your mind, you are always thinking that they are going to Hell. Nice.

Do you ever speak in church, Emily? Did you know that according to the Bible, you are not suppoed to? Have you ever taught or lead a class that contained men? That is also forbidden in the Bible.

See, Emily, people like you choose to ral against the easy sins. The sins that you know you’ll never be tempted to do. It’s like a life-long non-smoker speaking against cigarettes. Sure, he can speak out freely, because he’ll never WANT to smoke.

Homosexuality is often referred to as a “sweetest sin,” as in, sweetest to a Christian, because it is a perfectly safe sin to disagree with. What easier way to look holy in front of the other Christian than by speaking out against the OMG! EVIL queers.

I have been hurt a hell of a lot more by Christians than by homosexuals.

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“Hate in the name of JESUS and GOD is never hate, bobbi. You should know that by now. :-)”

Quite simply, Hate is hate. If God says something is wrong, you may think it is wrong. But God never says he hates anything or anyone, and neither should you. Jesus tolerated, and loved his fellow man, as should everyone.

There should be no “hate in the name of Jesus.” Only love.

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I had realy wanted to read all comments before making one of my own, but couldn’t hold it in any longer. I am very pleased at how Rowling handled the entire situation. Dumbledore’s sexuality was not an important part of his characterization until the end, as was a lot of his history. I like the fact that he can be a gay character without it being a defining part of him. He his her creation, and she has every right to create him as she see fit. I’m still curious how these young kids that people are so concerned about are going to find this revelation when it’s not in the books in an explicit way, and I doubt, too many are combing the daily paper. Besides, if you think children, even children as young as 6 don’t have some awareness of sexuality and homosexuality, you are wrong.

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AnyaMarcos, as a total stranger to me, please don’t tell me what I should know. Thanks so much. Besides, what makes you think I was talking about you and your posts? God is love and cannot coexist with hate. Kind of like Harry and Voldemort couldn’t coexist. LOL!

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“There should be no “hate in the name of Jesus.” Only love.”

And what a shame that so few Christians believe that, anymore.

When I was a Christian, 20+ years ago, when someone said the word “Christianity,” the first thoughts that came to mind were “love, kindness, compassion.”

Today, when someone says the word “Christianity,” the first thoughts that comes to mind are “anti-gay, hate, hypocrisy, and politics.”

And guess who’s fault it is? The Christians’.

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Thanks, Robbie, for being so candid. I disagree with many of the things you said in the last post, but I’m not going to argue any further because I don’t want to start spending me entire life online, haha. This is the first time I’ve posted something online. My object in asking these questions not to convince anyone that homosexuality is wrong but to see whether anyone could disagree in this forum without being labeled intolerant or a bigot—something which seems to be happening a lot. So I consider this a victory for two Harry Potter fans, that we can agree to disagree about this issue.

There are people out there, I know, who actually do hate you. I’m sorry, I’m as much against their attitude as you are. There are also those out there who hate me, for simply disagreeing with something they do.

As to the Dumbledore issue: JKR has every right to say whatever she wants about her characters. And Dumbledore being gay does not change any of his myriad good qualities. And I think it’s sad that such a simple statement about a fictional character would incite such a firestorm of hatred.

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AnyaMarcos: You’re both very correct and very wrong on different aspects of things. First of, you ought to know that according to many Christian denominations, there is nothing wrong or sinful about homosexuality. A lot of conservatives out there will deny this, but your point is so totally 100% correct, and is exemplified in many instances. Biblically, Jesus never once spoke on the issue. The Sodom and Gomorah story is used by many conservatives, but a lot of religious scholars believe this story is an teaching against inhospitality, and not against homosexuality. Very important difference, eh?!

But what you’re wrong about is saying the Bible forbids women to speak, etc. in church. While that is spoken of, definitely, the major, major, major aspect of Biblical interpretation is taking into consideration the time period of the writings. And conservatives: listen up, too. Everything must be taken into context. Corinthians I and II includes a lot of stuff we’d look at and say, ‘what?!’ These writings were meant for their historical period, and cannot be meant to be followed 100% today.

Just thought you’d be curious to hear this, from a World Religions degree holder.

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“But what you’re wrong about is saying the Bible forbids women to speak, etc. in church. While that is spoken of, definitely, the major, major, major aspect of Biblical interpretation is taking into consideration the time period of the writings”

Right, Evan. So, since today women want the same rights as men, that scripture that says they do NOT have the same rights is dismissed as no longer relevant, because times have changed. But since hating gays is still oh-so-chic, of course THAT portion of the scripture is still cherised and upheld, and NOT dismissed.

Thank you for helping me prove my point. :-)

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You assume the worst about a lot of people, AnyaMarcos. Yes, Hitler was horrible. Yes, he exterminated a lot of people for no reason. But you are lumping me in with him for no reason. You assume what I’m thinking, when you don’t know what I’m thinking in the back of my mind. I truly believe the only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, and that it is His absolute right to judge people. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” is what is written about judgement, I believe. I’ll be the first one to say I am not without sin!

But in the end, what I am writing now makes no difference. You and I are two very different people, and that’s okay with me. You are entitled to your beliefs, as I am entitled to mine. I’m not going to be able to say anything that will change your opinion of me, and for that I’m sorry.

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Dumbledore is great gay or not. Dumbledore was not gay expressly or implicitly in the book, and that subtle fondness of the same sexed Grindlewald is so customary in English lit, that I can’t imagine how one would interpret it rising to the level of homosexuality. Still, if in J.K. Rowlings mind she intended him to be gayu thats fine, but she did not write him as gay in the book and he exists in the series without sexuality. For J.K. Rowling to change this verbally outside the text is troubling.

What troubles me is the fact that J.K. rowling did not relinquish her authority over the characters. That is to say, she as author who finished the book, can not just let them be what they are. Instead she is creating, and adding things that were not there, were does this end? Anything that she failed to mention can she then verbally add. “Oh yes, and there is an extra weasley I never mentioned”.

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I never assume the worst, Emily. I’m actually a very optimistic person. But I do know that believing that homosexuality is wrong is a very accurate sign that a person is, at their heart of hearts, intolerant and prone to judging those deemed “below” them.

YOU are going to Heaven. Bill, the gay man, is NOT. Correct?

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@Spock, ich finde Leute wie dich bedauerlich. Vielleicht solltest du lernen, die Meinung anderer Menschen zu akzeptiern. Ich wünsche dir noch eine schönen Abend, gleich, wo du lebst mit deinem kranken Sinn für Hochmut.

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to Evan: you definitely are right.

to “didn’t like it”: you can explain your acquaintances that it is just her thought about the character, not anything discussed in books. Nevertheles, I understand you. I don’t mind JKR saying that, I mind the buzz, the ado around it, so people who have never read HP would think it is “occult and gay stories” :o) and people who love HP but wait for translation of book 7 will be afraid what they find there. Frankly speaking, the whole ado about HP makes me a bit tired sometimes, after all those years :)

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I am an immersed believer in Christ, but when all is said and done, it’s up to Jesus whether or not I get into heaven. I’d like to think that I will go to heaven, but I’m not so foolish to think that I am absolutely going to heaven. And I can’t say whether or not “Bill” is going to hell…that’s not my place.

So you’re judging me what kind of a person I am based on your gut feelings? Like I said in my last post, it doesn’t matter what I say…you believe what you believe and that’s okay with me. Truly it is.

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Let’s just agree to disagree. Neither of us is going to sway the other’s beliefs.

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Sam: “What troubles me is the fact that J.K. rowling did not relinquish her authority over the characters. That is to say, she as author who finished the book, can not just let them be what they are. Instead she is creating, and adding things that were not there, were does this end?”

The way Q&A sessions work is that people come, ask questions about her universe, and she answers. It will end when the interested readers stop asking. She’s not changing the original works in any way, she’s just developing the world more. Isn’t that what people want? I’d guess so. Or else there wouldn’t be anyone asking questions. And that is where it would end.

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“but she did not write him as gay in the book and he exists in the series without sexuality”

I think it’s wrong to say that. I’m just going to take one character at random, Lavender Brown. As far as I recall (and I haven’t read the earlier HP books for years) she was given no sexuality either. Are we to ASSUME then, that she’s heterosexual? If JK stated, after the books were published that Lavender married a guy and had kids, are we to get upset about that, because her sexuality was never brought up? You heterosexuals are forgetting it’s not just a heterosexual world. ;-) Oh and I was just as surprised as anyone about the revelation, but like most others, it doesn’t bother me.

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JKR is trying to say that Dumbledore’s sexual preference was important enough to be essential to the plot, but it isn’t essential enough to be in the books. What?! So, now D only had a “Man crush” on an old friend. Is that it?

And she is saying that Dumbledore is HER character and (like a defiant adolescent)she can say anything she likes about him? Well, if she had wanted to keep Dumbledore to herself, fine, she should not have had the HP books published. She should have written them and kept them under her bed for herself alone. As it is, when a real writer creates a character, a third person is included - the reader. The reader is the third and the ESSENTIAL person to be considered.   She indulged herself by divulging this sexual info. One woman who posted said she was there in the NY audience and met JKR afterward, and she thought JKR was feeling a bit, "bawdy" that evening. Some authors in particular,need bolstering to go on stage in front of a live audience. Keep your eye on JKR. She has more secrets, I suspect. I think JKR has produced the greatest punk of all time.  boy, did she have us fooled.
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I Am STILL tired, Ich denke, daß Spock gerecht war, einen Witz bildend. Ich konnte falsch sein. Es schwierig, auf dem Internet sicher zu sein, ist ist es nicht?

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For all dismayed, appalled, shocked, disgusted, militant or horrified by Ms. Rowling’s character development revelation, I have a Very Important Announcement:

THE SUN ROSE THIS MORNING!

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“The way Q&A sessions work is that people come, ask questions about her universe, and she answers.”

Yeah, imagine after this, someone will ask JK: “What colour was the carpet in Snape’s office?” (or something) and she’ll say, “Red!” They’ll go “Noooooo, that’s not true, I always thought it was blue – so I’m not accepting that, and also I’m going to burn all my books and I’ll not let my kids read the books because of the ‘blue’ material.” haha. Reminds me of posts I read before the first movie came out, people said they weren’t going to go and see it because it was going to spoil the picture of Hogwarts they had in their heads. I wonder if those people eventually saw it?

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I know, Hellsing! Baffling.

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Actually I have been assuming that Melissa (and Emerson) would be interviewing JKR during this tour, which apparently is incorrect: perhaps with the Dumbledore revelation an interview would be even more interesting to not just the die-hard Potter-heads but to the news media worldwide as a whole?

I know that many of us have been compiling our questions for JKR, and would like to submit those to Melissa (and Emerson) for JKR to answer….

and now we wait for the ‘encyclopedia’, and only 12 and 1/2 months to wait for the HBP film….

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RE: Dumbledore’s sexuality. Actually, beyond the adolsecent infatuation with Grindelwald, Dumbledore is asexual as far as we know. Introducing his sexuality at this point is rather irrelevent—one can “love” emotionally and not take the emotional to a physical stage, which seems to be more to the point than emphasizing sex.

I do wonder tho, about JKR using this revelation to yank Michael Gambon’s chain? Gambon has made a number of public comments about JKR that were unnecessary and stupid, and for him to suddenly be forced to confront a rather different view of his character must be a bit of a shock?

How is this “news” being received and discussed outside the US? Most Europeans have a very different view of sexual orientation…if those of you living in the UK, and in other nations, could post URLs to any newspaper or magazine articles as they appear, that would be interesting and much appreciated…

Folks, in terms of the story line, nothing changed. In terms of real life that we are stuck with (and, if we are honest, isn’t part of the allure of Hogwarts is that we escape there from our everyday lives?) nothing has changed. These are fictional characters…..and the series is remarkably well-written. Enjoy the books for what they are, please?

And if anyone is upset about a fictional character having an adolescent infatuation, what will you think about the Pullman series and its message?

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I think its kinda cool DD is gay. But after seeing that press conference thingy video I don’t like J.K. Rowling. She was actually quite rude to the person who asked the last question. She was getting snappy and inpatient just because people were asking about Dumbledore a lot. What the hell did u expect to happen Jo you idiot! You made a character in a children’s book series gay, of course you’re going to get loads of questions about it! If she didn’t want that kind of reaction she should have kept her bloody mouth shut! Anyone agree?

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Robbie,

Dumbledore bieng A sexual comes from a long literary tradition of a sexual God-like characters in english literature. Gandalf, Aslan, Merlin, etc. It is more likely she was adhering to her Genre than anything else, especially since she adhered to all the other god-like qualities, all knowing, all loving, forgiving. Western religion of course.

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This is an inspirational act, I wish that this had been revealed when I was still a child. It would mean that there would be someone I could relate to in pop culture.

As for those who want to slanderise my sexuality, this is not the time nor the place to be discussing such an issue as your distaste towards people like me.

Grow up, and get with the times.

I understand that congnitive disconence will drive you to oppose my position even further. But I can only hope that you can one day get over your’ fear of my “unnatural ways”.

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People keep saying it was unnecessary for her to reveal Dumbledore’s sexuality. I agree with this, and it’s not like she did it in the books or made a particular point within the books that Dumbledore is gay. She simply gave a specific answer to an interview question.

Who cares if Dumbledore is gay or not? First of all, he’s a FICTIONAL character. Secondly, it doesn’t change anything about Dumbledore himself. He’s still the caring mentor to Harry he’s always been. Why doesn’t everyone should just drop this subject and focus on the more important things Rowling is trying to teach us through the books – like prevailing powers of equality and love?

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Alex: Respectfully, I think you are wrong. I think it is a long standing practice of artists to let their work speak for itself after it is done, and do not constantly try to re-create (verbally, clearly she can write a sequel or pre-quel), or expand upon it. She is robbing the fans of their ability to draw their own understanding of what was written.

Further how could you possibly critique someone’s story telling capabilities if they are still telling the story, and dictate your perspective.

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For a long time, Kerrie, she did keep her mouth shut. Which was fine. She didn’t know what kind of reaction she would get from this, and she was just being honest when she revealed his sexuality. She’s said she was surprised by the positive response, which was encouraging, but she might have gotten a bit annoyed when it turned into gay gossip rather than intelligent questions. She could be thinking, “Is that the most important defining thing about him now?” She wrote him to be a great, intelligent, loving wizard. And that’s hopefully what will stick with people. Not the fact that he’s gay, because it bears little relevance to his character, and to the story.

She shouldn’t have gotten angry or annoyed about it. Take questions as another sign of “you’ve done great, and we’re all the more interested.”

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DAMo, don’t worry. The day is coming when homosexuality will be accepted, at least by thinking people. Think of it like racial equality. Sure in the 1960’s and beofre Black people were treated badly. But these days they are seen as equals, except by that small, backwards, ignorant faction. One day it will be the same for homosexuals. They will be accepted, except for that small, backwards, ignorant faction. And that faction will be looked down upon, as they deserve to be.

And oddly enough, it will probably be the same people who still feel Blacks are inferior! LOL

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@Kerrie! She uses to be rude in interviews. When I saw and listen to her for first time before the release of book 5 I felt very uncomfortable because of her totally callous behavior. First I thought: well she is a writer, sort of an artist, an odd person. Those art people use to be somehow different. Very soon I realized she continues to be as unfriendly as I thought after my first impression of her. So, well. I agree with.

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Robbie, also in the absence of a sexual orientation it would be up to our own experiences to chategorize someone that way. So I would look at Lavender brown as hetero- because in my experience, despite my sexuality, I see most of the world as heterosexual and assume thats what they are until told otherwise. If you see the world the other way, then it would be fine for you to see lavender Brown as homosexual until told otherwise.

It is not fair at this point, if J.K. were to say no she is now hetero, because I deem it so here today.

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@AnyaMarcos,

Well, I am a woman.

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Sam, I appreciate that viewpoint, and I can see it as valid. Usually, though, in big universes I think people want to stay true to the writers intentions. For example, when books are made into movies, often the writer is an integral part. The Harry Potter movies, for example, had JKR’s involvement to shape her universe.

I also understand your view. The Lord of the Rings movies, for example, did not have the original creator to help. And some people critique the movies, pointing out the differences between the movies and books as a bad thing, and others as a good thing.

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Iam Still Tired, me too! :-)

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Alex: I agree with you on that, if only I could talk to Tolkein, perhaps I will be able to oneday, nonetheless I am certain I will be dissapointed.

Please for give me for this: but take the law for example, when drafting of a legal document. Once the creator of a contract is done drafting it and it has been executed, the creator is no longer the ruler of the agreement. If the terms are unclear, or terms are left out then it is open to the interpretation of the all. The creator’s original intent if not expressed or implied in the document is irrelevant once the document is executed.

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@AnyaMarcos You see I do not understand Spock´s gay remark.

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“Dumbledore bieng A sexual comes from a long literary tradition of a sexual God-like characters in english literature.”

Sam – I hadn’t realised that and it’s very interesting, I wonder if it was something JK was aware of, whether she was following that literary tradition? If someone had asked me a week ago if Dumbledore was gay or straight I’d have said straight, it’s not something I’d thought about before. I know he’s a fictional character but it does reflect real life, I’m glad about this revelation because it does show inbred (lol) straight people that there are gay people out there, they can be decent, and they’re not all stereotypes and following your typical gay “lifestyle”.

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JK Rowling has seem to get ruder over the years, I admit that. If anyone read everything she said, she was challenging her critics,she was doing against the people that don’t like th books. What she did was loose a percentage of her fanbase. I am still a fan, plan on getting the rest of the movies in HD and everything but I am disgusted why she did it, it was to be controversial and get attention,nothing more.

She could of answered:

Dumbledore had never loved, he loved humanity and his school and would do anything for him.

Plus his relationship still, despite what she says sounds like Ron/Harry, Sirus/James.

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After reading this statement. “I’d just like to remember one important distinction. To believe that homosexual actions are wrong is not equal to being a “bigoted gay-basher / gay-hater /etc.” (I’m not replying to anyone in specific here, BTW)” I would like to state, as someone who has suffered from a gay bashing, on more than one occasion, people who believe homosexuality is wrong, manifest the belief that it is okay to attack a gay person. And for every person who has that belief 1 in 10 wants to or has gay-bashed someone. Don’t make it acceptable to descriminate, if you have been on the recieving end of a hate crime, you would understand.

Again! Jo’s action is amiable, and courageous. This has nothing to do with sales, and everything to do with her message.

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Robbie, According to Rowling and I forget where, but she did say she adhered to the tradition of C.S. Lewis and Tolkein. It was great she attempted to establish a humanity for this god like image… never done before. I like how like all the other god like characters dumbledore overcame death, not in the way of aslan on the pillar, or gandalf coming back as gandalf the white, but by having a dead hand control over the way the rest of the book played out after his death. It was brilliant.

I agree, I think Dumbledore bieng gay is great. But I doubt she did enough. Is he gay in the story. I would have to say No. He would not be gay if heaven forbid she passed away after book 7 was published. He is gay as a result of a revelation she made that she did not include in the book.

We were robbed…Robbie. lol I couldn’t resist forgive me.

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I really thought that the Harry Potter fans got what the whole series is all about…. but, after reading stuff like that i think I was wrong, seems to me that people that are speaking out on this terms don’t get the whole message about TOLERANCE that spreads trhough the books!

The fact that he is gay, doesn’t change his actions throught his life, his genuine feelings about the power of love, the paternal love that he had for Harry… in some level gives even more meaning to his action and to his early suffering and his change of heart….

I just get really upset when people start atacking JK personally… that is wrong and ungrateful. That woman dedicated the last seventeen years of her life creating this story… and we were there from the first book to these caracthers last breath on the pages. Now people are atacking the responsible for bringing them to us! It is sick

The only reason that she said that Dumbledore was gay, was because she was asked by a fan of the series a very clear question! What was she supposed to say?!!!?? Was she suposed to lie about it… so she would not hurt your prejudice… maybe she gave everybody too much credit…

I even go further on thinking that maybe this will low her spirit, maybe she will change her mind about writing anything on the wizzarding world , since everybody has made their minds on everything and, as shown in this occasion, are not very open to what she has to say.

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Carol, just remember that intelligent people are not bothered by DD being gay. Those that are bothered, well that is their hangup. Maybe some day they will learn, maybe not. But they can be disregarded as non-people.

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People, please, don’t be so evil to each other… It almost seem as if being a Christian means automatically execute gays, beying a Muslim means being half terrorist and being gay means changing sexual partners every other day. Bz the way, there can be gays with no sexual activity at all, as well as there are heterosexual nuns with no sexual activity at all. Falling in love does not equal to have sex with, for God’s sake. What JKR said does not tell us anything about Dumbledores sexual life. It tells us about his orientation which are, I dare to say, two totally different things.

Nevertheless, I still don’t imagine AD as gay, I simply have never suspected him, it has never come to my mind, therefore it somehow does not fit to my image. I believe for gay readers it is easier to suspect him, to see hints, accept it, because it is natural for them.

I am really very sorry JKR said that but not because of gays. It is because all the hatred and controversy. There is a discussion forum in my language, only some 30 people discus there, and there is no hatred because we all know each other since Philosopher’s stone. I am sure if people know each other (even if only virtually), they are much more kinder to each other, even if their oppinions are oposite.

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Damo,

I see it as cowardice, to say it now. Put it in the book, so its cemented as fact, not an authors after thought. None of her reasonings follow through as sufficient not to have made it more implied. 1) She didn’t want to tell the children, (she told them when she answered the question that way). 2) It didn’t matter, (yeah write the way she tells it now it was the central theme, how much grander is his life with the knowledge that he had to defeat someone he loved, lusted, whatever. how did that effect his future relationships, this adds dimensions).

Was this why he wasn’t minister? How did he overcome the adversety? I want to know teach me, oh there was no adversety, because no one knew (in the book). Because he was not gay.

How convenient for him to be gay now that the books done. Now she doesn’t have to deal with the issues.

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Bellatrix, people love to lump all “conservatives” and “liberals” into one group, saying that what one stands for, they all stand for. And that all their views are the same, and equally wrong. The truth is, people have their own opinions and their own views. A lot of people just aren’t tolerant enough to listen, and instead want to consider themselves above them. This happens on both sides of every argument, I’ve seen.

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I do understand a parent’s concern for his/her child’s welfare and state of mind, but I must say that my patience is being taxed to the ultimate by some of the comments. I can’t help but wonder how they would have fared walking in my parents’ shoes.

I grew up in an era of almost-constant unrest in the U.S. One of many ironic family stories involves my reaction to seeing a circus horse in a parade on TV after days of seeing viewing of John F. Kennedy’s funeral – I turned to my mother and in my toddler wisdom asked, “Who died?” In the 60’s, this was high comedy. Today, this would have probably earned me a rush trip to a child psychologist’s office.

My parents had more explaining to do a few years later during the Selma race riots. Why were those people being beaten up? Why were policemen letting dogs attack people and why were they knocking others down with fire hoses? Didn’t that hurt? The reasoning of some thinking they deserved such because they were of a different race made no sense to me – I vividly remember being terrified that someone would do the same to our family’s maid or her husband and twin girls – or to me, since I went to their house to play frequently.

By the time Robert Kennedy and MLK Jr. were assassinated, I was convinced that I was doomed. I didn’t realize that they were targets because of their beliefs – if those important people, surrounded by guards all of the time were getting killed, what chance did I have? My 8-year-old logic, inspired in no small part by watching Dark Shadows every day, resorted to taking the screen off the window and leaving it open in the hopes a vampire would come in and get me so I couldn’t be harmed. The only nocturnal visitor I got was a baby possum that promptly hid in the closet, but then again, the fate that befell me was a big hug for being afraid (and no TV for a week for my chewed-on shoes), so no harm done.

The least of my parents’ worries was the gay couple who were friends of our landlady (we lived in a duplex). Randy & Morris were quite charming, and frequently visited. When I asked why neither of them was married, I was told that they lived with each other. When we went to their house, I was too enchanted with the doves in the aviary Morris kept to wonder about why they lived with each other. My parents didn’t make a big deal about it, and I took my cue from them, just as I did when faced with fears about worldly input I was receiving and didn’t know how to completely process yet. And just for the record, both my sister and I are happily married to wonderful men.

Parents, if you feel that this character after word (which authors have been doing for centuries in one form or another) has ruined the HP experience FOR YOUR CHILDREN – not for yourselves – take all the books off the shelves and explain why you are doing so. Please do them that courtesy – they may be considerably more astute than you give them credit for being. There are numerous series you can put in that empty space – the Bobbsey Twins, Nancy Drew and Hardy Boys series have all been updated. Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle and the Ramona Quimby books are lots of fun. There are also plenty of contemporary authors who have written books I’m certain will fit your qualifications.

But please note – as I said earlier – the sun rose this morning. I feel safe in predicting that the same event will occur tomorrow, despite Dumbledore’s orientation.

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“Now she doesn’t have to deal with the issues.”

HUH? Are you kidding?

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Let’s look at this for a second all of us. This includes the hard core Harry Potter fans. Look at exactly what JK Rowling has done..

Look at these comments boards on the announcement and this board. The Harry Potter fandom has been split it seems right down the middle. It seems that this was giant slash to the fandom. Rather you agree with what she said or not, it does not change that the fandom is breaking apart now. It is her fault to, she knew what would happen. Does she care? No she has already got your money if you plan on tossing the books. I am one of the biggest Harry Potter fans but what she did I shake my head to. She hurt the fandom and the community.

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Sam – I agree, he wasn’t gay in the story (as in having feelings for other men), I think that’s why everyone is so surprised, it wasn’t made obvious. I don’t think most will have a problem with what JK said, the problem is with those homophobes who say everything has changed when, clearly, nothing has!! It’s exactly the same story, we just know a little more about one particular character.

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Spot on, Matt. Least we forget, debate=free speech.

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AnyaMarcos wrote: “It is a bummer, abosultely. A bummer that you and the other “Christians” had no trouble with the hate, violence, classism, prejudice, blood and torture in the books, but are up in arms against the post-mortem homosexuality of a character. Bummer, indeed. A bummer that people like you are representing Jesus today. In reality, Jesus would be disgusted by you and your kind. And that is a fact.”

As a response to this hate-speech you spewed against me and “my kind”, I’d like to say your interpretation of what I tried to say is wrong.

Yeah, the books display hate, but an important thing to notice is that there will be no one taking the novels and claiming they support hate. The books display violence, yet no one will say the novels support violence. The books display classism, yet…... Why would a Christian complain that Rowling is teaching in her books that torture is wrong???! On the other hand, Rowling said DD was gay… And now it will be used to say that gay sex is in not wrong… Which, in turn, will piss those Christians that think homosexual behavior is indeed wrong… Which, in turn, will make much harder for me to convince anyone that Rowling’s books are a Christian work (something I still think they are). Which, in turn, leads me to say: bummer.

This difference between the “hate, violence, classism, prejudice, blood, torture” as displayed in the books and this new “post-mortem homosexuality of DD” should be obvious to anyone tolerant enough to think about it without assuming the religious person complaining must be disgusting and evil. Someone already wrote here that you assume way too much based in your preconceptions, I agree. Moreover, you seem treat your opinions almost as if they were “facts”. It is getting dangerously close to prejudice…

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R, I agree that this has split the fandom. But I think that Jo did what she felt was right. She was honest. This will all blow over in time, just like it always does. Remember the big hoohah when Jo said officially that Harry and Hermione weren’t going to get together? That blew over.

True, we may lose some fans over this, but they’re the ones we’ll be better off without.

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“And now it will be used to say that gay sex is in not wrong”

What chapter was the gay sex in? I missed it.

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Ok .. then allow to me restate, the characters don’t have to deal with the issues.

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Oh, I see Sam. Sorry to be obtuse. :-)

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Didn’t like it, I think in an ideal world this would have no effect on promoting the book as Christian. For one thing, being gay is NOT in the book. “The books display violence, yet no one will say the novels support violence.” Even if the book displays homosexuality, no one should say the novels support homosexuality.” Because everyone interprets books differently.

However Rowling and other people interpret it, everyone should go to the BOOKS, and only the books, to make their own interpretation.

Additionally, I totally see Sam’s view as equally right. Thanks you, sam.

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A character’s motivation in a story is not based on fandom. Dumbledore does not act with the thought of, “I wonder what the fans would say?” If that were the case every author would take a poll before writing a scene. We have politicians for that. An author must stay true to the character first, not the fan-base or else they would be politicians not authors.

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I honestly don’t think she did it for the greater good. I don’t see that in the full response thing. She stated this was just another reason for “those people” to hate the books. The problem I have with that it did the complete opposite, it hurt her fans the most and parents.

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You know, if Voldemort had been as openly prejudiced in her storyline against gays as those of mixed wizarding blood, there would have been an issue to deal with in the books. DD’s sexuality is an interesting after-story revelation pertinent to how the author developed the character, just like any other post-epilogue detail that had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAIN PLOT. Sorry to yell, but that doesn’t seem to be sinking in to a lot of heads.

And I agree with AnyaMarcos. Some people seem to have a special Gay Sex edition that the rest of us didn’t get.

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You know, the Chrsitians that are anti-gay usually say that gay people can still go to Heaven if they repent, or if they abstain from acting on their urges.

We never hear anything that indicates Dumbledore ever acted on his urges. And the fact that he never loved anyone again (in that way) could indicate that he “got over” being Gay.

So what are these people complaining about?

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To Squeeler:

I don’t care that he is gay but I care about the actual intentions she had. The problem is he is not written gay in the books, there is no evidence to even back that up. She just came up with this to stir up controversy and free publicity.

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Dingdingding! AnyaMarcos, you win the internet! Beautiful! :D

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She didn’t do it for the greater good, she didn’t do it to annoy people, and she didn’t do it to divide people. She did it to be honest. “To be honest, I’ve always thought of DD as gay.” It’s all there, she’s just saying what’s going on in her head. No ulterior motive of planning her words to break her fandom, or speaking carefully to make a political point

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“I just get really upset when people start attacking JK personally… that is wrong and ungrateful. That woman dedicated the last seventeen years of her life creating this story… and we were there from the first book to these characters’ last breath on the pages. Now people are attacking the person responsible for bringing them to us! It is sick”.

@ Carol Carvalho, I couldn’t agree more. It’s very disheartening.

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i think this controversy is three-fold:

(1) some people are pissed because they, (a) are, unfortunately, anti-gay and feel attacked; (b) are, unfortunately, pro-gay and feel attacked. and both extremes are unfortunate because a black-and-white, good-vs-evil, 100%right-vs-100%wrong view of things never works.

(2) some people are pissed jkr because she seems to be doing this exclusively for the sake of disrupting the waters, and spilling a little more spotlight onto herself, creating more hype. this group is combated by the jkr loyalists, let’s call them, who would do anything for this woman. if she came out and said harry was a necrophiliac, and was incredibly turned on by inferi, they’d eat it up. so these two groups fight.

(3) then we come to the group that aren’t homophobic, but just don’t see dumbledore as gay; but they get labeled anti-gay by a group less accepting of personal dichotomy in thought, the group that would proclaim itself, ironically, more ‘liberal’ and ‘accepting.’ contrast that with the more conservative group that call themselves ‘accepting’ and ‘loving’ and ‘christian’ and you get this group of people exuding more hatred than ought to be expected by a loving, accepting people.

why is this? why are we so closed-minded – everyone single one of us. everyone. i don’t know, i was just thinking on this. sorry to ramble.

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Thing is she could of answered the same question without saying he is gay. The same question could be answered without creating this controversy and basically loosing a percentage of her fans.

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Oh, Cynthia! This is such a surprise! Oh, my goodness, there are SO many people to thank! I’d like to thank the Acadmey, of course. You like me! You really like me!

BTW, where is my mofo avatar? I did the gravatar thing, and still no avatar.

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Maybe she should of not of done the Open Book Tour and none of this would of happend.

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Ramble, while your ramble doesn’t entirely have a point, it feels entirely correct. You have a really good grasp on humanity. People love to look for a fight, and always looking to prove their dominance over someone.

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Do you all realize we are no longer free to analyze the story without Rowlings opressive opinions. A book needs to be judged on what is written in it, whats on its face. Not what was meant to be in it or what one was thinking when they wrote it. You get no credit for that in school.

Now we are discussing things that are not in the book. She should have never done this to us, and writers no better. Now we cannot seperate the fiction from the reality.

Dumbledore is most likely not gay in the Harry Potter series of books.

Dumbledore is clearly gay in reality, according to the creators intentions.

How many people are swayed by the influence outside the book? Why should this influence be there? This takes away from our own understandings, and experience.

In short J.K. sees him as gay but didn’t write him as same.Dumbledore in the book is all that counts, for better or for worse. He should not be potrayed any different then his character was written.

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We all know Dumbledore is your creation, Mrs. Rowling. Anyway. It´s quite normal and a good tradition to discuss characters of a novel, even your characters of your HP novels. What´s the problem though?

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It is because of the ignorance of such people as Whitney who keeps posting such sad comments that Jo’s revelation about Dumbledore is so important. The challenge of coming out as a gay person is that those that once loved you can reject you. The reality is that anyone who changes there opinion of Dumbledore in a negative way has to really look inside at their own prejudices. Dumbledore has not changed, no words in the books have changed, who he was as a man has not changed, the only thing that has changed is you learned something new about him.

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@R: I think the concept you’re searching for is called “artistic integrity”. She refused to compromise her vision of the character.

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Ramble,

Good attempt to catergorize the factions. I have seen another category of people who feel as though J.K. Rowling, is not bieng fair by unleashing revalations after she’s completed the books. These revalations are outside the story. Artists are not supposed to force their interpretation of their work on others. Whats next???

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“Dumbledore is most likely not gay in the Harry Potter series of books.”

Nor is he straight, if that’s what anyone is taking from this statement. More accurate, Dumbledore’s sexuality is not a topic in the Harry Potter series of books. He’s not gay, he’s not straight, he’s not anything that isn’t included in the books. And if you’re going to argue for or against the book, you should only argue for or against what’s in the book, like Sam says.

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@Sam, JKR already has started to dictate how to read, see and understand her characters long ago. I´m a Snape fan and even she cannot stand Snape fans, I´m courages enough to offer resistance. By the way. Even Severus Snape fans paid for the books called Harry Potter.

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Whitney and Che: Get a life and don’t try to be professional idiots What do you know about homosexuality not being natural.

There isn’t an animal walking, swimming or flying around in God’s own Nature that isn’t practising homosexuality at it’s time by choice, nessecity or default. And believe me it isn’t only parrots, swans and flamingo’s, but homosexuality is as widespread in Gos’s own Nature as heterosexuality.

Probably even maore widespread then among humans, because they don’t get hetero-bigotic-lifestyle stuffed through their trought by nitwits like you.

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Alex, I agree, I think I said that before, and I think you know that. Thank you therefore, for clarifying my statement as I was not clear.

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Helloooo, people….Dumbledore is NOT a real person! I can’t believe how obtuse most of this fan base is! What this comes down to is $money$. I don’t argue that JK has the right to write her characters any way she chooses. If she wants DD to be gay, then he is. But to do it after all the books sold…that isn’t being true to herself OR the character! No integrity. And one more comment on all these comments. I have never understood how the gay/lesbian community can place the “intolerance” towards them on the same level as racism. Racism is based on the color of skin, not sexual preference. Sexual preference is a personal thing. I don’t try to start a whole social revolution based on my husband and I prefering one position over another. Why should homosexuals? Keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs. I don’t have a problem with the average gay person, but I can’t stand it when one starts trying to convert me to their way of thinking. Tolerance? Live and let live, hetero or homo.

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ACanonSnapeFan – I didn’t notice, that this has always been a problem before. I think this is unprecidented (but what do I know, I have not been here for ever). I imagine technology creates an atmosphere where we are more interested in the author than the book. I am a Harry Potter story fan, not a J.K. Rowling fan (sorry to J.K. Rowlings fans).

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While I’m perfectly okay with someone being gay I belive that Dumbledore is not the right charcter to make gay. I viewd him as soley a mentor. As a guide to the students of hogwarts. In my eyes Dumbledore has no sexuality, straight or gay. He is not a sex icon. Now if she had mentioned this fact or given us clues to his sexual identity in the 7th book I would have been fine, more power to him. Despite all this I still love him, I’m still sad he died, and still love the books.

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“I imagine technology creates an atmosphere where we are more interested in the author than the book.”

Hmmm….not sure A. Conan Doyle, Charles Dickens or Oscar Wilde would agree with you there. They had their fair share of rabid groupies in the day.

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kamion:

You are right. The fact that many animals in nature exibit homsexual behavior is a point I stress whe arguing for gay rights. Time magzine even published an article about gay rams. Not to mention there is evidence that suggest that homosexuality is gentic. Plus why would anyone choose that when they know that it’s going to result in alot of discrimination and hate.

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“I don’t try to start a whole social revolution based on my husband and I prefering one position over another.”

OK, too much information.

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Okay, here we go again. First, for people to say that JKR doesn’t own the chracters, the fans do, that’s too much of a stretch. This is exactly what Steven King was writing about when he wrote “Misery”, being that none of us have ever read her character notes. It’s presumptuous for fans to tell her what she can and cannot do.

Second, yes , there are tolerant and loving Christians. I just finished working on an amazing documentary about a Presbyterian Church, where homesexuality is a non-issue to the pastor. The problem is the cultural wariors who claim to be the majoriy of Christian thinking, when they’re not.

Frankly, I am tired of people dancing around this, and it’s directed at the more intollerant folks here, to draw someones reasoning to it’s logical conclusion. Should gays be placed in internment camps? Beaten or murdered, should there be a world genocide for every gay person?

I’ll be fascinated to see if anyone is brave to answer that. Otherwise, what do you want or expect people of a different sexual orientation to do?

From my understanding I thought murder was considered the greatest sin. Or how about lying being a sin, lying to oneself or to others.

Pardon for being blunt here, but it had to be said, otherwise I’ve said my peace.

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“I have never understood how the gay/lesbian community can place the “intolerance” towards them on the same level as racism. Racism is based on the color of skin, not sexual preference. Sexual preference is a personal thing.” It’s also something you do not choose, something you are born with, and something that people look down on you for, like gender or race. I have never understood how people can be intolerant of what goes on in privately, spouting that homosexuality is bad.

“I don’t try to start a whole social revolution based on my husband and I prefering one position over another. Why should homosexuals? Keep it in the bedroom, where it belongs. I don’t have a problem with the average gay person, but I can’t stand it when one starts trying to convert me to their way of thinking. Tolerance? Live and let live, hetero or homo.” Homosexuals aren’t fighting oppression from people like you who just don’t care, they are fighting oppression from people who do care, who take it upon themselves to say that. They aren’t taking their sex outside of the bedroom, it’s still in there where it belongs. They want the same freedoms people have inside the bedroom, and the same freedoms people have outside the bedrooms.

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If Charles Dickens made a comment about his book at a book signing how long would that take to get out. How much frenzy would it cause. As I said I hate to speculate on the past,as I was not there first hand. and there is nothing new under the sun. Or as Mark Twain wrote the only person who said something and knew he was the first was Adam. Still I do believe we are living in an age of all time obsession less with the work, and more with the controversy surrounding the people.. hence reality TV.

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http://www.mugglenet.com/infosection/opinion2/defence.shtml It’s a great essay on Jo’s revelation.

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I should also point out, my olderest brother is gay.

People are entitled to believe what ever they want to believe, to each his own. If you want to believe the sky is green, when all evidence supports it’s not. Whatever works for you, but when these beliefs turn to threats ot death threats, or to bully people to change what they believe, there’s a moral line to be drawn.

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Sam: in response to your comment, “I am a Harry Potter story fan, not a J.K. Rowling fan” I have to say CHEERS! Thank you! Right on.

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@ Matt: The general “vibe” seems to be reflective of current social attitudes in general: gay people are funny in some movies and TV shows and very useful if we need something decorated or our hair styled, but we don’t want one next door. Trouble happens when gay people have the temerity to “look normal”, i.e. don’t nance about or lisp and a gay couple’s “agenda” consists of trying to pay the mortgage off a little sooner, planning for retirement and figuring out whether they can afford the new car instead of trying to infultrate grade schools with Boyz Gone Wild DVDs or whatever.

This seems to be the big issue with the Dumblegate Scandal here: people on one side of the anti-revelation issue feel betrayed because he wasn’t represented as or didn’t act gay, whatever “acting gay” is and the other side feels betrayed because he seemed normal, whatever “normal” is, other than a washing machine setting.

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Little children will now ask what ‘gay’ means because its all in the papers and hey, that’s something (like other people have mentioned) that should be left up to the parent. I don’t hate homosexuals but I do draw the line when its made to invade my personal life (my books at home, the issues they bring with them now. Its a highly popular book, Joe shoudl think about it before bringing in hugely controversial subjects. Its cool if she believed DD was gay but she should have kept it to herself. Theres just too many conotations now.

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Little children read the papers? Wow, I thought all they read was Harry Potter Books.

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Cynthia, I have talked to people who say “Well, I’ve never even TALKED to a gay person!” And I’m like… o rly? That’s what YOU think!

Everyone, there are gay people in your work place. There are gay people in your neighborhood. There are gay people in your grocery store. There are gay people in your church. They don’t all walk like a supermodel, talk in a feminine lilt, constantly come onto those of the same gender, or announce their sexuality outright. But they are there. Just people, wanting to be left alone to live their lives, just like you do.

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I didn’t know little children read newspapers. When I was nine, I thought the news was boring and wanted nothing to do with it.

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“Little children will now ask what ‘gay’ means because its all in the papers and hey, that’s something (like other people have mentioned) that should be left up to the parent. “

Dew, do you think that if parents don’t explain what Gay means to their kids, then Gay won’t exist? That’s like the public school system not talking about pre-marital sex to keep kids from doing it. Ask us how THAT worked.

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Gay people see themselves portrayed positively in several places in the bible. In the Old Testament, the entire book of Ruth is one of the most beautiful stories of love between two women that has ever been written. How ironic it is that many passages from this beautiful scripture have been used over the years in heterosexual marriage ceremonies! The story of David and Johnathan in the book of I Samuel is also a beautiful gay love story (I Samuel 19:1 through 23:29). In it, each shows the committment and sacrifice for each other that every gay couple has experienced and can instantly recognize.

Even Jesus was unquestionably aware of homosexuality, and yet there is no record that he ever condemned it. In at least one instance, he praised the faith of a gay man! In the original Greek version of the beautiful story of Jesus healing the centurion’s servant (Matthew 8:5-13, Luke 7:2-10), the words used to describe the centurion’s companion isn’t “servant” at all. They translate accurately as “beloved boy,” a phrase that clearly connotes the common practice at the time of older gay men or gay men in positions of authority keeping younger men as their lovers and partners.

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Dumbledore’s gay, that doesn’t make his personality any different.

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Lynn: You did force your opinion’s of gays on your children. You told them God found it wrong and would judge them. God judges everyone but I’m betting it won’t be us gays that end up in the bad place. Don’t worry though your children will eventually find a gay friend that will teach them there is nothing wrong with being gay and that you have lied to them all along.

As for the people that say it is disgusting but you aren’t homophobic quit kidding yourselves. If you don’t want to agree with someone being homosexual that is your choice but you better have a good reason to back it up and not one of ignorance and intolerance because trust me I will trim your feathers.

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I feel so bad for Jo being faced with these dim witted news people! If she had came out and said in the books “Dumbledore was in love with Grindewald” ot would have given away the ending and she couldn’t very well have randomly started talking about Dumbledore in the Epilogue now could she!

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Also to the people saying they will now have to explain what homosexuality is to their kids I have one thing to say: Good! They need to know quit hiding sexuality from them. Trust me it is better you explain what being gay is then them to find out from a fellow student because trust me they know all about this stuff already you just don’t know they know. Furthermore, sexuality is through the whole book with snogging and making out and in the epilogue the main characters have children do you have a problem explaining where babies come from or do you just tell them the stork? Lying to your children at any age isn’t good no matter what it is.

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When I was a kid I knew more about sexuality than my own mother did! If you don’t learn about it from your parents, you learn about it at school. I only realised that I knew a lot more about sexual things at 12 than my mother did at 41 when we saw an episode of CSI with Lady Heather in it, and mom didn’t know what a dominatrix was. I, unthinkingly, explained it to her and she looked at me like ‘how so you know this?’

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This discussion is not going anywhere…

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I feel bad for the children who’s parents are not going to let them read the books anymore because they can’t deal with their own prejudices. If you want to hate or disagree with someone that’s your decision, but don’t push your views onto your child like that. ‘Also, I copyoed and pasted tha thing earlier, don’t know if it’s true or not.]

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From momof4 : “I don’t try to start a whole social revolution based on my husband and I preferring one position over another.”

From AnyaMarcos: “OK, too much information.”

@ AnyaMarcos, you brought a BIG SMILE to my face! LOL!

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I’m sure Jesus didn’t approve that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. But Christ let her into his group, he opened his arms to all sinners. He accepted the person despite whether he agreed with their lifestyle or choices.

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I can sense a lot of anger is flying in these debates, and while everyone wants to believe their opinion is the right one, it is no use arguing with someone else of trying to force your views on them. If you think you’re right, than great for you. People will stick to their own opinions on the matter.

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In a few books I’ve read about, written by priests and such, it is said that Jesus once met a gay man, and accepted him, just like he did Mary Magdalene.

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The movie Saved is a great movie, and it deals with the issues of the church and homosexuality. I recommend it to anyone if they would want to watch it.

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“If any of your parents or grandparents were gay, you wouldn’t be here to post such drivel.”

Meaning that lesbians and gay men don’t reproduce? I just wish that some people would take a little time to educate themselves about the lesbian and gay community.

I know lots of lesbians who were once married to men, and have kids from prior relationships. Please take the time to get some good, accurate information about human sexuality.

Most people would agree that there is a continuum of sexuality (ya know, Kinsey?)...

But you are correct in one way, lesbians and gay men at the biological children of two people engaging in heterosexual intercourse.

Sigh…if anyone wants a good laugh, check out borowitzreport.com.

Susan

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JKR was NOT rude in that interview! (Not I’m really upset). The REPORTER was rude….asking the same question, again and again…..and stating that JKR had “announced” the news at a press conference!

She had already said twice “I was asked a question. I answered it.”

I don’t blame her for being mildly annoyed, I was furious. But she handled the questions with exquisite grace and courtesy.

Poor woman, having to deal with all you right wing bigots. Ychhh…

Susan

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I do think that Dumbledore’s orientation has a ton to do with the story. And the fact that he was “gay” is his ORIENTATION. If you are heterosexual, that’s our ORIENTATION. It does not mean that you have ever engaged in ANY KIND of sexual contact.

DD’s relationship with GG is absolutely central to the story. JKR says in a most recent interview that she knew even before the first book was published that DD was in love with (or infatuated with) GG. His defeat of the famous dark wizard GG was on the first chocolate frog card that Harry ever saw. (SS/PS, chapter 6 )

I now look for all the clues that I missed and they are legion. (DH, Chapt. 18, pg. 356 where Skeeter quotes Bagshot, “yes, even after they’d spent all day in discussion – both such brilliant young boys, they got on like a cauldron on fire – I’d somethings hear an owl tapping at Gellert’s bedroom window, delivering a letter from Albus!”…and p. 357, American edition of DH…if you had not bee nexpelled, we would never have met.” p. 716…how his ideas caught me, Harry, inflamed me…..Grindelwald and I, the glorious young leaders of the revolution.” The two boys—one with long auburn hair, the other blonde and merry “roaring with laughter at some long-forgotten joke.” p. 353. DH

So, DD and GG form a plan to take over the world for the “greater good.” Fueled by hormones, and the first glorious feeling of falling in love (limerance, romance), DD neglects his brother and sister…. GG and DD together become obsessed with the Hallows. After two months, Aberforth confronts them. GG puts the Cruciatus curse on Aberforth. DD defends him. There is a fight and Ariana is dead. Okay, DD is 17 or 18. He’s fallen in love with the WRONG person who immediately abandons him. (p. 717..”That which I had always sensed in him, though I pretended not to, now sprang into terrible being.” ) His sister is dead and he feels responsible. (p. 717, again…DD says he had to “learn to live with my guilt and my terrible grief, the price of my shame.”)

His world is shattered and as he rebuilds it, I think he experiences a personal transformation of the kind that tragedy sometimes brings about. His father is in prison for attacking the Muggles who attacked his daughter. But DD becomes the champion of muggle rights, the advocate for house elves, he who seeks to ally with the Giants…why? Well, obviously he has to rethink his whole life, and he has vowed to act differently.

Like Cincinnatus, or George Washington, he turns down offers to make him Minister of Magic, and in part devotes himself to Hogwarts and its students, and in part becomes the champion of those righting against the forces of evil. He is the leader of the first Order of the Phoenix, etc. Although it is now obvious that Elphias Doge was in love with him

He is reluctant to go to battle with GG. First, as a human being, he would really like to forget how blind he was to GG evil, but he had no choice. Would he be forced to kill the person with whom he fell in love? How awful for him…! Yet, he did battle, and he did not kill. He effectively removed GG as a force for evil in the world.

And what about GG? One of the things that JKR stands for, and DD in the books stand for, is a chance at redemption. Hagrid gets a second chance (although he was really innocent). Snape gets a second chance. DD gives Lupin a job. DD even tries to appeal to LV again “The time is long gone when I could frighten you with a burning wardrobe and force you to make repayment for your crimes. But I wish I could, Tom..I wish I could….” p. 446 HBP)

…(Tom) DD tells Harry that Voldemort’s only chance for salvation is remorse (“Think, and try for some remorse, Riddle…”), p. 741.

THEN, GG lies to Voldemort as his last act before being murdered. Harry says “Gindelwald tried to stop V going after the wand. He lied, you know, pretended he had never had it…….’maybe to prevent V from breaking into your tomb?” (p. 719) DD said “They say he showed remorse in later years…”

What JKR says in her books is that even the most evil of people have a chance to turn away from that evil…that people are complex..including DD and Snape…

So, question, GG had the Elder Wand. How did DD defeat him? Maybe GG couldn’t quite bring himself to kill DD…?

Also DD’s whole thing about secrets and lies—I wonder if intolerance in the WW was the same as in the RW….wasn’t DD around about the time Oscar Wilde was imprisoned? Maybe he was closeted for a long time? That gives someone too much experience with keeping secrets, PLUS all the family necessity of keeping Ariana a secret.

Susan

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Dobby_rocks said: ‘I’m sure Jesus didn’t approve that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute’

Ah, but was she really? :o) LOL. Sorry, different book and totally off-topic, but I couldn’t resist. (And I’m sure, either way Jesus accepted her as she was)

Back to the topic: Come on, people, get over it. Dumbledore being gay is not very important to the plot. Anyone could be blinded by their awe of someone else. I am not gay, but if I was to befriend someone I admired very much (f.i. like Jo) maybe I would easily be fooled and influenced for a long time, before realizing I was heading on a wrong path. And I am certain that a lot of people would as well (whether they want to admit it or not). It’s simple psychology.

I also blame the press for creating this upheaval. They make such a fuss over a small detail of a fictional character. I realize though that for gay people this is not such a small thing. For them it must be great, seeing such a great hero being gay, while in fiction they are often portrayed unfavorably. I think Ian McKellen is also a great actor (I don’t care if he is gay or not, when I watch the LOTR movies. Ai, another great wizard…??)

Oh, bummer, yesterday I thought I am not going to add to this silly discussion again, and here I am.

My final words on this: Fine by me. Not vital to the plot. Jo is absolutely right: they are her characters! She created them as they are. And what a great job, she’s done. Because everywhere people are talking about Dumbledore, Snape, Harry and the rest as if they are real. Wizards!! What will we think in 20 years time? Haha.

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Please don’t judge all Christians by the narrow-minded bigoted people who are on these pages. Let’s remember that JKR herself is a Christian and has stated that her books were influenced by Christian themes (love, redemption, the afterlife, kindness, caring..you know THOSE Christian values). Tolkien and Lewis were both Christians and wrote some wonderful books. Some of my best friends are Christians, and they do not believe that “homosexuality” is wrong or immoral. They don’t buy into Biblical justifications for racism, slavery, anti-Semitism or homophobia. I read Andy’s defense of DD at Mugglenet, and want to say that you will never get any coherent or reasonable reply from the right wing fundies who say that “homosexuality” is banned in the Bible, but won’t discuss why they practice other things that are banned in the Bible. It’s a selective reading of the Bible. They’re using it just as so many batterers use St. Paul to justify their actions (The Bible says that man is the head of the family, like Christ is the head of the church, so you are bound to obey me.) Don’t the Episcopalians have out lesbian and gay ministers and bishops? They are progressive, tolerant, kind and reasonable human beings who are Christians. The right wing fundamentalists have a huge lobby in this country, funded and fueled by Republicans who are pouring kerosene on the flames of bigotry in order to get elected.

Susan

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While I tended to agree with people being mad that Dumbledore is gay, I came to the conclusion that I was only feeling that way because I was getting mad at the people spouting off “tolerance and acceptance” and then turning right around and calling those people “bigots and homophobes”. What a world’s difference ones argument makes without name calling. Just an observation…

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Don’t any of you try to snow us that being “gay” is “all that.” If it was, we’d all be gay! And don’t keep saying that homosexuality exists in nature. THAT is stupid. I wrote a post earlier stating that the animal kingdom is designed around male and female-not male/male or female/female. Any other pairing than male/female will cause a particular species to die out-that is, no more—that is, extinct. Someone earlier made fun of my statement about a person’s parents and grandparents couldn’t have been gay or they wouldn’t be here to post drivel. You pro-gays can thank your families that you are here to express your opinion! Amazing, isn’t it? You have heterosexuals to thank for your existence! It sounds to me like a lot of you realize that and are resentful that you have to “tolerate” us hetero’s. It’s so sad that there will be no more gays if there aren’t hetero’s to produce them. (sarcasm, if you missed it.)

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I’m not judging all Christians by what some people are. In any religion, or society, or ethnic background there are evil people, hypocritical people, and intolerent people. Some of my best friends are Christians, though I myself am not, and are very tolerent and accepting of gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people. Everyone, in there own way, does not understand and does not tolerate something, not just Christians or heterosexual people.

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I’m not exactly riveted by the news, but I am a little sad. I have nothing at all against homosexuals, but I’ve just always thought of Dumbledore as an asexual old man. I’d be just as surprised if she’d revealed he’d been in love with a woman—i just enjoyed appreciating that he was not a sexual creature of any kind. It does add depth to his dilemma with Grindelwald, though, certainly, which definitely adds to the story. And the people who say this is “dangerous” for kids should be slapped. It’s not like homosexuality is some kind of transmittable disease—if your kids are straight, they’re straight. ANd if they’re gay, well, then, what better fictional role model will they have to look up to, to help them accept themselves?

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Ramble, yes, there are a ton of people who DON’T want this further information about the books, but there are far more people who are DYING For the information she gave out. Who want every single little detail.

I actually don’t think it’s an accurate division of fandom.

This is more like it…

1) There are those who admire JKR, and think that in addition to being a terrific author, she’s also a great person. That’s me. However, if JKR said that Harry was into necrophilia, I would be disgusted and outraged. I think the comparison between necrophilia and being gay is deliberate, and I think it’s hate speech. I’m tired of all these clever little underhanded jabs. Do I think the woman is perfect? No.

Under 1, there are three some subsets.

a) There are the hatemongerers. You can tell, they all spout the same line, gay lifestyle, homosexual lobby, homosexual agenda, Adam and Steve, flaunting sexuality, blah, blah, blah..It’s all the right wing fundamentalist agenda. Google “God Hates Fags”, and you’ll find out about them. They refuse to listen, they don’t have an open mind, and if you confront them on their bigotry and hatred, they will claim that you are not being nice to them.

Some of them maintain that JKR was preaching tolerance, but NOT tolerance towards lesbians and gays (despite her recent statement “It has certainly never been news to me that a brave and brilliant man could love other men.” (hope Ian McKellan heard that one). They state she was preaching tolerance towards house elves, and giants, and werewolves…

b) There are folks who haven’t really thought through issues about being lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgendered. Maybe they did confuse being gay with being a child abuser, or hadn’t thought through that there is a LOT of heterosexual activity in the books, but no same gender activity. They’re open to learning and hearing about these issues. Check out pflag.org if you’re one of them.

c) Then there are lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered fans. Frankly, I’m sick to death of being invisible. If one more person says that “people in other countries” are not as progressive as we are (this is usually from the least enlightened and progressive)...what, there are no lesbian and gays in other countries? Are we not people? And by the way, the lesbian and gay and bisexual and transgendered community is NOT MONOLITHIC..some people think JKR should have put a lesbian or gay character in the books, some are delighted, many are oblivious…....

There are lesbian and gay youth who are struggling who feel very validated and happy that there is a great, wise, powerful man who believes in love who is gay.

d) Then there are the majority of fans, who are straight, most of them, percentage wise who originally thought, who are openminded and fair..and thought…..oh, that’s interesting…no big deal…They are now realizing (to many of their dismay) the level of hatred, intolerance and bigotry amongst the HP fans, and they are appalled and embarrassed. They are now “getting their consciousness raised” about what lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people have to face all the time. Many of them don’t understand and have tried to argue logically with the right wing fundamentalists…

2) Then there are the fans who are angry with JKR for various reasons, mostly because they don’t like the DH, or the ending wasn’t to their liking. Some of them are rational, but some of them are like the old H/H shippers who were sending JKR death threats.

Under this setting, put a through d again

3) Then there are fans who love the books, and don’t have too much personal feeling about JKR at all.

Under this setting put a through d again…

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Mary Magdalene and same gender contact in nature.

First, it doesn’t say ANYWHERE in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. This was a later construct. The Catholic Church put out some announcement at some point confirming that MM was not a prostitute. Wasn’t she the author of one of the Gnostic gospels..one of the ones that didn’t make it into the Bible (but could have)?

Second, there are lots of same gender pairings – female/female and male/male in nature.

Do some research, get informed…google the bonobos (spelling?)

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I would love to see the faces of Christians if it turned out Jesus was gay. I mean there is more evidence to back that up then Dumbledore.

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I’m over this whole dumbledore is gay thing. When I first heard this news, I was really upset. I was one of those people who said it ruined the whole series for them and would never touch a harry potter book again. But now that is has been a couple days, I’m completely over it. I think I was just shocked and definetely overreacted. I realized that I love the books and the characters, and it just plain stupid to stop reading the books I love because of some background information about a character that is irrelevent to the plot. I think that a lot of people were just shocked and upset at first, but I don’t think this is going to make any true fans permnamently hate the series. Yeah, they might be upset for awhile, but after enough time passes and the intial shock is gone, it won’t even matter that much anymore. But if people want to hate the series for this reason, it’s their loss. I still love Harry Potter, and I’m always going to be a fan!

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Whitney and CHE: Support your comments 100 percent. JK Rowling has no right crushing something that has been a children’s phenominal series by introducing homosexuality into it. Shame on her.

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Actually, in terms of sexuality, people in Europe are more openminded towards homosexuality and bisexuality than a lot of people in America.

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Actually, Rochelle, JKR has the right to do whatever the hell she wants with her story. You have no right to say what she can and can’t do with her story that SHE wrote. shame on you.

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I know Jo will probably never see this, but I want to thank her publicly for all this extra knowledge about Albus, who is by far and wide my favorite character in the series. He is amazing. Thank you so much.

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Hey, Amber, tone it down. I’ll bet there’s not one gay person who wishes the world were rid of heterosexuals … that would be incredibly stupid, wouldn’t it? I’ve also never heard of any gays resenting heterosexuality. What they resent is judgment, name-calling, discrimination, close-mindedness, and the sentiment that “You can be whatever you want to be, as long as you go along and let me pretend that you’re just like me.”

Susan, I LOVED your comment that “I’m sick to death of being invisible.” Reminds me of a great T-shirt I saw once: “Man, I’m tired! I’ve been black all day!”

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I’d like to talk about Jo. She continues to give information about her characters because the public CLAMORS for it. Some of the information is banal (Cho married a muggle), some is fascinating (Harry became an Auror without the required NEWTs and three additional years of study), and some is, evidently, shocking. All of this information is contained in her volumes and volumes of backstory on HER characters.

She didn’t “make this up” to stir the pot, fuel an agenda, or increase sales. She can’t count her money as it is! I haven’t been able to see the video (transcription, please, Leaky elves?), but my guess is that Jo is angry at herself for having made a mistake, for having thought she could respond to a simple question without it blowing up in her face. I doubt she suspected it would generate such a reaction. To her mind, it was a small detail that had been hinted at, no more, in the books.

To those who say she should have couched her answer in more “acceptable” terms: that would be a lie by omission, would it not? I can’t see Jo compromising herself like that.

To the accusation that Jo should have put it in her books, and that she’d been cowardly: they were children’s books, after all. As many have pointed out, there are plenty of innuendos, and not just regarding the Dumbledores. I don’t know any kids who picked up on these.

My ten-year-old has been informing her friends, of all faiths incidentally, that Dumbledore is gay, and none of them gives a hoot.

Has Jo been shrill? I don’t know, I haven’t seen the video, but I’d be very surprised if she hadn’t lost her patience by now. Bet it’s a long time before she hops the pond again!

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cry I can’t view the video, and I’ve tried 3 browsers. Does anyone know what the secret is, or if it’s posted somewhere else? (youtube! srsly!) I REALLY want to see this!

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I’ve never posted, but like so many other people, I feel compelled. For me, the issue of DD being gay is merely another piece to the puzzle of his overall character. Of course it is a character revelation, but for me it was more a testament to JKR’s ability to create characters who are so magnificently complex that we may never know everything about them. And when you think about it, perhaps it is this complexity which really scares people. After all, reading through these posts you see the word “unnatural” repeated a disturbing number of times, when really it is only “unnatural” to the person who is writing the comment. It makes me wonder whether these people ever understood the basic fabric of the HP series, which I always though was love as a means to conquer evil. It isn’t for us to decide what it is “right” for JKR to do or not do with her characters, as fans we either accept it, or move on- but it is impractical (and irritating) to stay only to spread intolerance. Initially, we all came to this website because we have a collective appreciation for the world JKR created, and personally, I will continue to love the series as I always have, as I know most of you will as well.

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Well done, J. K. Rowling. That was an excellent representation of a gay man in fiction. Dumbledore was not tokenized, and did not personify any stereotypes about homosexuals. He was a good, talented and amazing wizard and person who happened to be gay. You gave a lot of people the opportunity to question an ill- founded belief system which devalues the perspectives, experiances and worth of gays and lesbians. Bravo. Seriously, thank you.

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Like I hear everybody say it does not change who Dumbledore is but How are you going to say to childern who have looked up to this character and say oh did you know that he is gay. You all talk about having tolarence of this issue and I think we should but when you bash the other person that does not think that Jo should have said than you are doing which you tell them not to do and you are being the same as them and sometimes even worse. this is a fact and get it not everybody are going to accept this and they never will those are the facts of life and we have to take it how or leave it.

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Why Do you people all have to point to the cristians and say such bad things about us. Yes get this we are going to accepted the gay thing some of us are more wild about the issue and some are more calm about the issue not all of us are agaisnt I think that you just have to deal with what you do with god and we are no ones to judge anybody for doing any about what they do. we should not go out in are way and start hurting people just because of what they believe.

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Why must we know about Dumbledore’s sexuality? What about McGonagal, Trelawney, Flitwick, Lockhart, Umbridge, Hagrid, Dobby….? Children do not wonder about character’s sexual activity (and neither do I!). Leave it alone and PLEASE do not incorporate this theme in to the movie! I am the mom of four boys and I love the Harry Potter series exactly because it does NOT sexualize childhood like most other children’s entertainment. I have purchased multiple copies of each book, purchased every movie, and even a few computer games, but the money flow stops if sexualtiy is thrust on my kids before they even know (or care about) what it is! Let children be children.

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Good for J.K and great for DD. DD is my favorite character and will remain so.

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Jral, read my lips.

We know that Bill, Fleur, James, Lily, Severus, Hagrid (forgot his infatuation with Madame Maxime?), Fred, George, Lavendar Brown, Harry, Hermione, Tonks, Arthur, Molly, Ginny, Romilda Vane, Cormac McClaggen, Dean Thomas, Lucius Malfoy, Narcissa Malfoy, Draco Malfoy, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera…are all heterosexual. There is holding hands, and kissing in the books. That’s sexuality. Lavendar and Ron are entwined in a chair, writhing like eels, and when they resurface there’s a sound like a plumber withdrawing a plug. Are you really this, well, stupid? As the mother of two children, (not to mention mother of four cats and one guinea pig), I reject sexualization of children’s materials too. JKR mentioning that DD is gay does not bring “sexuality” into the series. Please KEEP your money. JKR doesn’t need it. Boycott Warner Brothers! Please! Boycott the computer games. (Computer games are bad for kids, anyway)

Susan (who wants to say, as she says to her children)..”Mommy’s patience is wearing thin”

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I was actually a little shocked that Dumbledore was gay, I always thought he was asexual. In fact, the character I always thought was gay in the books was Sirius. I don’t know, it just seemed to me like he was infatuated with James.

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I’m totally crushed by the way so many people are acting hateful towards gays because I’m a lesbian. I’m not posting under my usual handle because I’m afraid that people I thought were my friends in Leaky will think of me differently – the way they’re talking about Dumbledore. No one ever knew my sexuality here because it… just didn’t occur to me that it was important. We were all just here because we love Harry Potter. Now I feel like I have enemies here and I’m afraid to read people’s posts because it makes me cry. I don’t know why all of you who are saying mean things have to hate people like me. I really don’t.

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jrarl, keep in mind that nowhere in the books is Dumbledore’s sexuality discussed.

As Susan points out, sexuality is presented in the books in the form of numerous boyfriend-girlfriend relationships and various displays of affection, like kissing (a.k.a. snogging!) and people making out in the bushes and in carriages during the Yule Ball. If your children have read through Half-Blood Prince then they’ve already been very exposed to this.

Nobody that I know had guessed (or cared about) Dumbledore’s sexuality, because, as Gabbi points out, he was chaste throughout the timeline of Harry’s school years. If nobody guessed or seemed to care much about Dumbledore’s sexuality, chances are strong that your children won’t either unless you choose to discuss it with them yourself.

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E, I am so sorry that you have felt hurt by these comments. I was very moved by your description of how your sexuality never came up here before because … well, why on earth should it? I deeply hope that you have not recognized the names of Leaky friends attacking homosexuality. What a tragedy that even in the relative anonymity of cyberspace we are afraid to fully reveal ourselves … Love to you and blessings to all …

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It appears the ether ate my last post … apologies if I’m wrong.

Yay, I finally was able to see the video! I don’t think Jo lost her cool. Just got a little exasperated with a stubborn, thick-headed muggle doing her best Rita Skeeter imitation …

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Well, since I’m a Christian, and in Romans 1 it clearly states that homosexuality is a form of “preversion,” I can’t say I’m cheerful over J.K. Rowling’s rather random exclamation about Dumbledore’s sexuality. It’s curious how she has chosen to say this after all seven books have been released. Very curious. Curious enough to make me think she knew many fans would be upset by this. Since Dumbledore’s orientation is never touched upon the books, and it is never obviously hinted at that he’s gay, I find her random comments inconsequential. In light of the fact that J.K. Rowling never bothered to clarify such an important detail about one of her central characters and chose to proclaim it very out of the blue at some question and answer session, she can’t seriously believe most HP fans will consider her statement valid. It’s so out of the blue! I’m still perplexed.

Oh, and I’d like to politely remind everyone that in calling those who deem homosexuality a sin “ignorant,” you are assuming ignorance yourself. So please, end the name-calling and respect my Christian morals. I have a right to my beliefs, as do you! I’m pretty unwavering in my stance here. Homosexuality is a sin. It doesn’t belong in children’s books. Ever.

J.K. Rowling isn’t a Christian, so I can’t hold her to my moral standards. However, I have the right to be disappointed and explain why I am.

Children should be brought up with some kind of moral guidance. Unfortunately, the line between right and wrong has been blurred. Each individual makes their own moral compass. However, our Creator has presented us with a very simple outline of what’s moral and what isn’t. We’ve just kind of chosen to ignore it.

Here is a section from the bible. Romans 1:24-28. Take some time to read it before ridiculing me. Paul the Apostel is writing to the early Christians living in Rome and explaining what the consequences have been to mankind’s sinful behavior.

“24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done"
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Ummm, JK Rowling is a Christian.

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for Susan: ABOUT SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT

Susan, you asked on October 24, 2007 @ 06:02 PM: “So, question, GG had the Elder Wand. How did DD defeat him? Maybe GG couldn’t quite bring himself to kill DD…?”

According to book 7, the Elder Wand is not unbeatable. It’s bloody trace is visible in a wizarding history because one wizard was able to defeat another wizard and win the EW from him/her. Not all those passings from wizard to wizard were bloody, though. I think Dumbledore was simply a better wizard then GG.

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Although it is now obvious that Elphias Doge was in love with him heyhey, we forget about Dogbreath, “Thought the sun shone out of my brother’s every orifice.” In retrospect Aberforth’s remark become even more rude then it already was.

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I’ve been reading the comments and all these religious arguments are going to my head. I never understood why people use religion to condeem sexuality. I think sexuality and religion should have no part of each other. Your sexuality is who you are, it’s as natural as breathing and there is nothing wrong about it. A homosexual/bisexual person can’t help who they are attracted to anymore than a straight person can. Do you think when I was growing up I wanted to end up bi? No, but it’s who I am and I learned to accept that. I don’t think many people realize the damage on a person’s physce some comments can do.

Is a goat going to go to hell just because it has sex with another goat? Is a penguin? Or a dolphin? Is a person going to go to hell just because they spent twenty bucks on a hair cut? Or spent months going through a divorce from their abusive spouse? Religion, no matter how much good it can do in the world, no matter if it’s right or wrong, can also do damage. Many teens commit suicide because of it, because they can’t live with themselves. How would you feel, if you child that you loved so very much killed his/herself just because of something he/she couldn’t control and because you condeemed it? I don’t think you’d be feeling that chipper.

A person is always going to dislike something, or hate something. I can’t change anyone else’s opinions anymore than they can change mine. But do you really think the character has changed just because he loved another man? He hasn’t. Neither has your cousin, or your uncle, or your son. They are still the same person you have always loved. If you are going to hate someone that you once swore to love unconditionally, like your child, isn’t that wrong? If your child told you they were gay, and you reactly badly and, for example, threw them out of the house, and then you learn later on that they were killed brutally by a gang of homphobes, how would you feel?

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Dumbledore is the best ever and we love you, Jo. That’s all there is to it, let it go.

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I think that in all the excitement over a gay character in a children’s book series (although having read it, and considering the time frame in which the series was published it’s more often the case that people grew up with these books, and grew into them, rather than read all of them as children) an element of what she said in that Carnegie Hall press conference was ignored: a lot about HP is about tolerance. It’s about tolerance and acceptance of our differences that make the story so endearing to me. The fact that Harry is treated poorly by his family because he’s “different” than them, the fact that the wizarding world is itself “underground,” and became that way because people were afraid of it, the fact that in the last book it was again blood status (the same as race OR sexual orientation) that made you the subject of scorn and ridicule… all this seems to emphasize the point that it is not what we are that should be considered but who we are.

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I think there is no problem With Albus being Gay. I has pleanty of teachers and Professors in school and college the students suspected were gay. They did not switch to a different teacher because of this. They may have joked about it, but did not care. This is going to be another excuse that people will use for not wanting their kids to read the books or see the movies along with Wicka. I have to agree with a priest I know: Get over it, they are childrens books that are fantasy. The dumbledore carachter is great Gay or Not.

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P.S.

For any of us who grew up without any role models of our own sexual orientation (in the fantasy realm, anyway) there was a trilogy of books by Mercedes Lackey called “The Last Herald Mage” series (I think they’re still in print) and it was the first story I ever read where the main character (who also happens to be a powerful wizard) confronts and struggles with his sexuality, accepts it, and ultimately finds that it has less to do with his whole self and how people view him as he originally thought it did.

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I had a lesbian music teacher in school, nobody cared! Every knew, but nobody dropped her class because of it.

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Susan, I think Ramble classified the points of view with more neutrality. Your take on the subject reads like a progression where the more one agree with a certain point of view (yours) more “enlightened” the person is.

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There is NO reason whatsoever to say anything about a character’s sexual behavior. Harry Potter shouldn’t be about sex—especially a sexual lifetyle that is dangerous, promiscuous and predatory in nature. This changes the entire character of Dumbaldore and will forever taint the Harry Potter series. Rowling should not have bowed to political correctness and pressures from an extremely small percentage of the population who were they bedroom behavior on their sleeves. Sad, and dumb move by Rowling. My family’s participation with, and enjoyment of, the Harry Potter series has ended.

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After reading some of the comments here, it is odd to see how many of those who SUPPORT homosexuality (the SAME people who preach TOLERANCE) are so vehemently INTOLERANT of another person’s POV (especially if that POV is NOT pro-queer). It just goes to show that the debate (for those folks) is NOT about tolerance or acceptance, but about coercion. They call names, use course language and spew hatred towards anyone who disagrees with homosexuality. Doesn’t that kind of speech sound like the definition of “hate crime”, as they, themselves, have tried to coerce the government into enacting?!? Ironic, isn’t it? If it wasn’t so insidious, it would be humorous.

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I-Ron-Ee: I agree with you. I don’t think there’s anything bad or unnatural about being heterosexual, any more than there is anything bad or unnatural about being homosexual. Some of my best friends are straight, and I never hold it against them.

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I-Rone-Ee -You are, of course, correct.

I think that Melissa and the other LC editors have now begun to realise what an enormously unnecessary thing JKR has done. Why oh why did she not think to leave the totally irelevant question of Dumbledore’s sexuality in the air -I do not know.

The sooner Leaky gets back to being Leaky, the better. We do not need it being used by sophisticated political operatives as a vehicle for their causes.

This whole business has done terrible damage to the unity of Potter fans the world over and this, more than anything else, is the most obvious reason that JKR was wrong to do what she did.

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Wow, Guys! I am amazed at all of the arguing! I have a few ideas for you. I am a Christian. I have been so since I was a young child and brought up in a Christian home. I am the mother of 2 kids with another one on the way. Having said that, I believe that first and foremost, Jesus taught love and tolerance. It seems that there are “certain” people here who seem to be forgetting that. Honestly, if you choose to believe one way or another, or live one way or another, that’s YOUR choice! Just as you choose to send your child to a public or private school. Just as you choose to get put on a sweater or jacket. Just as you choose to post on this message board. It’s YOUR choice! So, why are you condeming other people for their choices??!! I honestly don’t know where I stand on the whole “born-with” thing, but that should be entirely irrelevant here! I have had Many homosexual friends in high school, college, and beyond. Christ didn’t tell me not to be friends with them because they had a different sexual orientation than me! He told me to LOVE THEM! AND, to be fair, I did have some gay friends who were intolerant of straight people. I also have Asian friends who don’t like “white” people. It’s sad, but that’s life. The problem doesn’t come from JKR telling people DD was gay. The problem comes from people jumping all over her for it. SO WHAT??!! Spiderman and Superman wear leotards and tights. Does that make them gay?! I hate to wear skirts and prefer pants. Does that make me gay? Good grief!! WHO CARES???!!! It doesn’t change the fact that I’m a good person or a loving mother. There is a lot of intolerance on both sides, and that’s sad. BUT that still has NOTHING to do with the books! The movies were as close to the books as screenwriters can make them. And if you look at the ratings on them, they progressively get higher. Which means, that these stories are supposed to grow with your children. My daughter started reading HP when she was 10. She was the same age as HP with each book. And with each book, she faced the a lot of the same issues that he faced. Those issues have grown with them! Would I call these books Children’s Books? Perhaps. But as parents, it’s our job to monitor what our children are reading. So, it’s our job, FIRST, to determine whether or not our children are capable of understanding and dealing with them! If religion is such a problem for you, then the whole idea of magic should be too! (check your Proverbs) You can’t be against 1 part of the series, but totally okay with all the rest! That’s hypocritical! Listen to what the commercials say. YOU ARE YOUR CHILD’S FIRST TEACHER! Don’t blame it on an author if you neglect to teach your child something. My daughter and I have had our discussions about homosexuality and what it means. It hasn’t confused her. She’s learned to accept other people – Red and yellow, black and white… Go back to the gospel of John – the 2nd most important commandment – Love. Love each other. Stop the hate! It’s a book! Read it or don’t. Stop imposing yourself one way or the other!

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I find it amusing that the pro-gay side calls any religious view toward the gay lifestyle intolerant bigotry. Isn’t that in fact a statement of intolerance of other views? I think JKR has forever and irretrievably damaged her works standing in the literary world. That’s the result of pandering to certain political views instead of just writing acceptable fiction for children. She had previously advanced an invitation in the world of profane witchcraft - huge growth in Great Britain - can one now say that was an unintended consequence? Shame, JKR, on despoiling children’s literature.

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Lucius, the problem with your comment that JKR is the one who changed things. The rise of witchcraft can be seen as an unintended consequence that Rowling hasn’t promoted—anyone can talk any fantasy writings and do the bizarre with them. However, JKR interceded with unnecessary information designed toward some self-serving end.

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Dear Leaky. Please pull all future articles involving this subject. This horse has been beat to death!

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I think it’s wonderful that Dumbledore was outed. It does not change my perception of the character one bit. I have been a fan ever since I picked up my son’s copy of The Sorcerer’s Stone and read it. As for the people out there who claim that had they known about Dumbledore’s sexual orientation, they never would have read the books. Stop lying to yourself, it’s only a book! You know you would have read it anyway. As for the comments CHE made, it’s the 21st century, get real. We are out there! I am totally for JKR! Way to go!

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Amen to JK for standing up to homophobia.

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To R: As if the author needed the publicity. She is after all the most famous author in the world. It is only character motivation. And as usual brilliantly done.

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There’s a big difference between having an opinion, and having an outright negation of someone’s right to ‘be’. That’s called an ideology – Hitler had one of those, and funnily enough he thought it would be a good idea to gas those who didn’t live up to said ideology.

Intolerance of intolerance is a non argument (rather like intolerance of hatred, as if tolerance of hatred is a good thing).

And especially coming from those who would celebrate living in the so-called ‘land of the free’. Free to do what exactly? To deny the human rights of those who don’t fit the ‘ideal’? Freedom of speech, but only if it agrees with the ‘ideal’? Freedom to hurl abuse at people because they don’t fit the ‘ideal’? Just who really is free in that land of the free?

My point is, if we’re going to talk about freedom of expression then Jo should have been free to say what she said, yet on a few of these comments boards many people have been suggesting she shouldn’t have.

Just to say, I think the reason religion is attacked by some in this argument is because most of the anti-gay ‘opinion’ has come from those claiming their religious beliefs teach them that homosexuality is a sin – the same beliefs that say witchcraft is also sinful incidently. But there are religious people here who have not used their religion to back up their opinions so each comment here should be viewed on it’s own merits.

P.S The door’s always open for those not wishing to remain part of HP fandom. Toodle Pip!

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Teddy- I have the right to post my opinions here same as everyone else. this is just one more example of the people taking light views of serious issues.

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Zee’s comment – “Toodle pip” to anyone who does not agree with the liberal consensus being thrust down our thorats really says it all.

If you do not agree with us -your against us – thats what he is really saying.

Yes – The world of Harry Potter has been -I fear -irretreivably split. Now is that a good thing ?

And all over a totally unnecessary slip of the tongue by a tired author on a book tour who now apparently feels she must defend what she said.

I can well understand why -she can't win if she trys to make a joke of it or retract what she said.  All of the political lobby groups that we have seen on the pages of LC and Muggle over the past few days would come down on her like a ton of bricks.

But there are so many pople shattered by this news -and we are not “non persons” but deserve respect for our honestly held opinions.

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By the way – I have no idea why a part of my above post was in a small font. The misspelling was “throats”

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I’m having a difficult time understanding why some of the fans in here are getting so riled up about this and are acting like it wasn’t all over the 7th book. There were many subtle moments in “Deathly Hallows” that should have made adults reading the books wonder about Dumbledore’s sexuality, not to mention Elphias Doge’s. I’ll admit that I thought about it while reading the book, but chalked it all up as innocence. Now that she’s decided to make it more obvious, by outright telling people what those who were paying attention would’ve gleamed themselves, the intolerant people on this site are ready to burn her at the stake. It doesn’t change the character at all, other than it making him more human and flawed in trusting someone he shouldn’t have trusted (which was the whole point of book 7). While I do think it’s a little selfish of her to continue telling us what to think about the future of the characters after the last word has been written, therefore squelching our imagination, I do think it’s her right to do what she wants to do with the characters. I would’ve rather always wondered about Dumbledore’s sexuality and debated it with friends until she talked about it on her deathbed, which I wish she would’ve done with most of the information she’s been giving us after the fact, but, hey, it’s her prerogative.

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M Jones: Why do you say it is a slip? Why think it is even a joke? If your world is shattered by it then you have a problem. I hate to break it to you but this is how a lot of people have to first deal with someone being homosexual. Someone you think there is no possible way to be gay turns out to be just that.

To all those that say quit shoving our lifestyle down your throats: Quit shoving your religion down ours. We don’t care what your bible has to say about us or your morality yet you tell us over and over on news and everything else. Stop acting like the straight view isn’t crammed down everyone’s throat. I deserve my right to marry and be here. You have every right to be offended but I deserve my right to walk down the street holding my boyfriend’s hand or kissing him without fear. It isn’t intolerant to hate or dislike people with intolerance that is called common sense.

If you don’t like Dumbledore being gay super duper I don’t care because it doesn’t change the fact he is. The reason christians get the most anger from homosexuals is because you accuse us of cramming our life style down your throat and being intolerant of your religion. I say quit comming to us saying we are sinners and going to be judge by god and go to hell because that is what you are implying by saying “Judged.” Do you see how you are cramming your views down our throats and why we won’t tolerate it anymore?

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why dont you give up trying to make Dumbledore out as something else!

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M Jones – read again before misquoting, I said “Toodle Pip” to anyone NOT WISHING TO REMAIN PART OF HP FANDOM.

I don’t know what liberal consensus you are refering to, I’m British, and here there is a ‘general’ consensus that whether someone is gay or straight, they are still human beings and should be treated with the same respect.

JK Rowling spoke freely, as apparently she is entitled to do in the ‘land of the free.’ Why would she not answer someone’s question with something she doesn’t feel is wrong?

I also notice that quite apart from misquoting me, you also never answered a single question in my post…although I’m not surprised.

‘He’ is a ‘she’ by the way, and like you, ‘she’ (me) is standing up for what she believes in – treating all human beings with respect and humanity regardless of their sexuality.

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Zee wrote: “I’m British, and here there is a ‘general’ consensus that whether someone is gay or straight, they are still human beings and should be treated with the same respect.”

It is not really different from the official position of the major Christian congregations, AFAIK. And to claim homosexual acts are wrong is not at all incompatible with this statement.

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Ah, folks, if you read the Reuters link, did you notice Jo was talking about writing a PREQUEL to the Harry Potter series?

Now THAT is much more important than Dumbledore’s details.

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So now I ask why would, after the books have been released and the money has been made, Rowling smear the good character of Albus Dumbledore? Many are saying that this answers a lot of questions. For instance, why is Dumbledore not married? I have known many good heterosexual men who are not married, never marry and it is just a choice. I had a great-uncle who fit this bill.

Dumbledore’s youthful friendship with Grindelwald has been brought into question. There is nothing in the book that could not just be pointing to a very close friendship; a tight bond among two young boys who are going through very troubled times.

For more: http://mr-smithspeaksout.blogspot.com/

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“So now I ask why would, after the books have been released and the money has been made, Rowling smear the good character of Albus Dumbledore?”

She is in NO WAY smearing him. If you interpret it this way, perhaps you should look at yourself. She is revealing more about his character. I am offended that you consider her to be smearing him. The rest of your points are correct, they are possible explanations as to what was solely included in the books.

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Dear Upset Mom,

Kids start taunting other kids about being gay very, very early in life. You are lucky that your child brought his questions to you personally, so that YOU can explain it to him, not other kids on the playground.

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This is really amazing…I don’t understand why this is still an issue. JKR revealed a character revelation (as she has done countless times before), and either we accept it, or move on. It doesn’t make sense to stay here to continue to “beat a dead horse” as one member so wisely put it. We are certainly not going to change the minds of those who hold so firm to their “moral” beliefs, and they are not going to change the mind’s of this so-called liberal consensus.

If nothing else, let’s realize the folly of challenging JKR’s right to reveal information on her characters, and (as I said before) accept this new information, or move on.

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Don’t any of you try to snow us that being “gay” is “all that.” If it was, we’d all be gay! And don’t keep saying that homosexuality exists in nature. THAT is stupid.

No,reality check, it does exist. Time magazine ran an article about gay rams. Logo had a documentary on homosexuality in nature. There is eviden to suggest that it;s genetic. It’s out there. Get tolerant or get going!

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Lucius is Luscious:

I agree with alot of what you said. Right on!

P.S. I’m always refering to how Lucius is very close to Luscious. : )

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There is something that disturbs me about the people that are so upset that this was revealed after the fact. Here’s a situation: I teach at a local elementary school and happen to live in the neighborhood. Over the years I’ve taught 2 of your three children and now have the 3rd in my class. Over the years you have been very pleased with my teaching and been happy to see your children placed in my classes. In the course of trick-or-treating, another student comes to my house and sees that there is another man there. His parents then explain or he assumes that I’m gay. The next day at school he tells his classmates that Mr. JR lives with another man. This is past to your child and then to you. Based on the reaction to JKR statement, am I to assume that all those previous years of great teaching are now tainted, because if you had known that I was gay you would not have allowed your children in my class? Dispite the fact that my sexuality is not an issue with my ability to do my job nor an issue raised in the classroom. This is what scares me. People act like this one issue changes DD character. It changes nothing. He is the same person he was last month or even 10 years ago, but now he’s “bad” for children. I really hate to break this to you, but your child has or will know gay people in their life, whether they are out or not.

Also please understand that children do not think in the same terms that adults do. I met many adults growing up, most straight some gay, not once do I think about what these people did sexually. I dare say most adults don’t do that on a regular basis either, or it would make it very hard to get through the work day. Most adults in childrens lives exist in a vacumn to them. My students were more surprised that I lived in a house rather than at the school. We are seldom wholely 3-D people. I would certainly hope that most students are not imagining the sex lives (gay or straight) of their teachers.

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Rochelle-you didn’t post an opinion. You flat out stated that JKR had no right to bring homosexuality into this, when she does. As I said, it is her right to do as she pleases with her own story. If you don’t like it, that’s fine. You can stop being a fan of the series then. You don’t have the right to go and say that JKR had no right to do this, because she created it, it is hers. I was freakin pissed off when she started filling the 6th book with all that kissing and crap, i hated it!!! I can disagree with what she did, but i can’t say she had no right to do it, because she most certainly did. I’m not saying you can’t be upset about what she did, but you can’t make it sound like JKR committed some kind of crime by adding to her own story.

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Zee – Let me quote you correctly -

P.S The door’s always open for those not wishing to remain part of HP fandom. Toodle Pip!

You suggest that we stop being Harry Potter fans if we disagree with you -is that a fair represntation of what you said ?

The latent agression in your post was obvious for all to see and the childish reference to Hitler is beneath you.

Are you happy that HP fandom is split down the middle by this ? That is my point -whatever be the merits of gay rights, starting a debate (intensionally or otherwise) about such an explosively controversia, socio-political lifestyle choice at a reading tour for a children’s book is hardly appropriate.

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I think it was a cheap shot to put such a key character point out when the series is finished. It does go back to something I wondered about all through the series…(I have only read them once so I may have missed something)as I recall none of the teachers at Hogwarts is married or has children as far as I remember. I thought of it as a monastary for witches. Very odd. Now to throw this out? I also wondered why the school had Christmas break. No other mention of anyone being any religion. I think she was avoiding having them observe any pagan/Druidic practices that I would associate with witches to sell the books. Now I wonder if she’s going to tease us with more revelations to sell an encylopedia down the road. This has made me lose a lot of respect for her. The series is done. Let it be.

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“You suggest that we stop being Harry Potter fans if we disagree with you -is that a fair represntation of what you said?” He suggested that, quote: “For those not wishing to remain part of HP fandom,” you don’t have to. He’s not telling people to stop being fans. He’s letting them make their own choice.

“Starting a debate (intensionally or otherwise) about such an explosively controversia, socio-political lifestyle choice at a reading tour for a children’s book is hardly appropriate.” Well, it’s not a choice, so I’m going to pretend that word was omitted, and you are more educated on the topic than that comment let you to believe. Second, if I agree with you, then it is hardly appropriate for people to be asking questions about the love lives of characters of a children-friendly book. She answered what she was asked. Because something is controversial, that means you just don’t have to explain it. Not that you can ignore it. You can’t ignore your children when they ask about sex, but you can choose not to explain it.

I don’t think anybody is happy that a character’s sexuality is a reason for people to be split apart.

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CHE, using the tired “think of the children” excuse is getting older and more tired each time it’s used. It’s totally unfair to assume that gay people will act as a negative influence to today’s youth and I only wish, as a gay person, that I had ANY gay people with which I could identify with while growing up, because, as far as I can recall, there weren’t any. Wanting every single character to fit into your personal ideal is totally selfish and unfair to other readers who may not have the same mindset as people with your beliefs. It’s a diverse world we live in today. Gay people have fought SO hard to establish that they’re actually PEOPLE with feelings, beliefs, and ambitions just like everybody else. They’ve fought incredibly hard to not be seen as some sort of race of deviants and perverts. Basically, what I’m saying is that not everyone reading the Harry Potter books are going to be reading them for the same reasons you read them. The true heroes of Harry Potter respect the diversity and differences among their peers. I just think it’s a shame that you can read an entire 7 book series spanning thousands of pages and not learn a thing.

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I think many people have missed the mark on this. I watched this clip and what I got from it is this: Jo wrote the final book (actually all the books) knowing Dumbledore was gay and what they true relationship was between him and Grimwald. But she understood that part of her audience is children and she was trying to straddle that fence between what she wanted her adult readers to pick up on and what she wanted her younger readers to take away from it. It’s much like the Alberforth and his goats. When asked by an 8 year old what the spell was Jo’s answer was for you the answer is he wanted to keep them clean. But I thought it was always implied through the books that old Alberforth was into beastiality but she wrote it in such a way as to not come straight out and say it. I think she was trying to do the same thing with the relationship between D and G. Unfortunately, alot of us adult fans (including myself) were not able to read between the lines and grasp the relationship as she intended us to. Instead we along with the younger readers saw the relationship as a strong friendship much like Harry/Ron or James/Sirus that is not Jo’s fault. Jo has done a magnificant job at writing books that appeal to people of all ages. Not an easy thing to do. Instead of attacking Jo for doing her best to tell the story, we should embrace her and take from her stories what we see. Reading is a two way interaction there is the vision of the writer but there is also the interpertation of what is written by the reader. The reader’s interpertation is hugely affected by their own life experiences or lack there of.

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EJ YOU WROTE: “While I do think it’s a little selfish of her to continue telling us what to think about the future of the characters after the last word has been written, therefore squelching our imagination, I do think it’s her right to do what she wants to do with the characters. I would’ve rather always wondered about Dumbledore’s sexuality and debated it with friends until she talked about it on her deathbed, which I wish she would’ve done with most of the information she’s been giving us after the fact, but, hey, it’s her prerogative.”

I agree EJ mostly with your sentiment that I would have rather debated this forever based on the text without the authors input. I think that is inconsistent with your statement that J.K. Rowling has a right to do this. I think she has overstepped her bounds as an artist, simply if she didn;t want it to be subject for debate, then she should have said it clearer, and I don’t bye the argument that she was protecting the children, because where was that thinking when she answered a this question publicly in this way. She could have answered it differently, she could have said it in many other ways. If she wanted everyone to definateively know this then she should have put it in the book, she did not.

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My how terrible my grammar/punctuation/ and spelling is when I rush.

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Dumbledore was intended to be God like and thereby A sexual

One need not be a religious scholar to see the parallel between Dumbledore and the western religious views of God. The parallels between Dumbledore and the stories of God have been the topic of many Potter book clubs, and fan sites. To be put simply Dumbledore is the God of this world at least up until book 7. He has all the qualities desired in a western religious God, his omniscience, his unconditional love of all things, his mercy, his defeat of death, and finally, his lack of sexuality.

These qualities stem back to the major God theme among man stories in the western world, the story of the messiah, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is a God on earth who is wise and knows of things far beyond any other man, he loves all humanity unconditionally and love is his strength, he defeats death on the cross, and has no woman, no sexuality. These qualities are also apparent in other English literature the tradition from which J.K. Rowling admits to adhere. C.S. Lewis created Aslan, the lion, who was wise and omniscient, he loved all beasts and all men unconditionally, had mercy and forgiveness for the traitorous Edmund, defeated death on the stone pillar, and had no sexuality. J.R.R. Tolkien in lord of the rings created Gandalf the grey, who was wise and omniscient, he too loved all animals and all men unconditionally, he had mercy for the traitorous Gollumn, he came back from the dead after the defeat of the Balgrog, and he too was without sexuality.

Albus Dumbledore, had all the answers, either through knowledge or hunch, his wisdom was never flawed. He was the wisest in his world. He was rarely surprised. His love, for all humanity, beasts, and things in between was his greatest strength and weakness. He showed mercy and forgiveness of Snape and others. He defeated death by dying on his own terms and not wasting away, having everything in order and in essence being resurrected at the end of the book. And throughout the books he had no sexuality. All of these reflect the familiar theme of western religions and was the major theme of this book.

Albus Dumbledore exuded all of the qualities of the God among men theme in the western religious literary tradition. This was not done by accident and was initially a conscience decision of the author to conform to the norms of her genre. One of the credits to book seven is it sought to make Dumbledore fallible, and more human. In this way J.K. Rowling to her credit sought to distance her character from the other god-like characters in the genre, by giving him more human qualities. Brilliant as it was, I believe it was undermined by the chapter at kings crossing, Dumbledore’s dead hand control through out the book, and no expressed or implied (see the section prior) confirmation of Dumbledore’s sexuality. Therefore, Dumbledore having all the other qualities of the God among men was intended to have no sexuality.

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@CharlieJ

Come out of the 1950s mate. Gay couples get married and live together just like straights do these days. As for gay people wearing their bedroom on our sleeves, turn on the television for a couple of hours and watch anything. Het behaviour is everywhere, from discussing which girl is dating which guy, planning weddings, even finding out whose kid it might be with DNA testing. Who you choose to spend your life with is far more than what you do together in the bedroom. If you can’t see that then I actually feel a little sorry for you.

As for Dumbledore, this possibility crossed my mind whilst reading the last book but knowing that Jo Rowling is a Christian I thought it highly unlikely. I’m personally glad that she’s said it in such a matter of fact way, like it doesn’t matter. Because really it doesn’t outside of the heads of those who choose to make it an issue.

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Zee, I’m American but I agree with you. Everyone should be treated with respect, but sadly some Americans don’t think that way. Some of us are still bigots unfortunately.

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I’m American, and I don’t care if he’s gay, straight, or asexual. You love who you love and there’s nothing you can do about that. Please, everyone stop making such a big deal about it.

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I went to Time magazine’s website and found your “gay ram” article. There’s no science there. They don’t define the behavior these so-called “gay” rams were exhibiting. For all we know, the silly things were just climbing on each other’s backs! There’s nothing there other than the author reporting on some findings that could have been manipulated in some way by hormones—which they admit they were doing. 55 sheep was all they worked with. What does that prove? Nothing. The whole article was more about making fun of homophobic people than any kind of science. Please don’t hold this article up any more.

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I don’t know what animal behavior exists or doesn’t exist arguments proves about humans. We are unique, aren’t we?

As per homosexuality in the animal kingdom, humans ARE in the animal kingdom. As are the animals mentioned in this national geographic article, and most in this list on wikipedia.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

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Looked at Wikipedia.org. Sorry, Alex. No can prove. Most of those behaviors don’t prove homosexuality. The only one is sex itself. Besides, it’s just a list. There’s no science there. No studies, no statistics.

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I read a philosophy paper about studying sexuality in nature. A lot of scientists go in only to study heterosexual behavior, mostly because they are interested in reproduction. Science isn’t fool proof. I’m a scientist and I’ve witnessed things like this. Homosexual studies in nature aren’t as common because few scientist pursue those kinds of studies. It was actually a very interesting paper that talked about how the female orgasm was thought to a result of evolution. But now, some think its a free-be, with no evolutionary purpose. Like male nipples. Oh, I’m such a science geek.

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“Yet scientists say we should be wary of referring to animals when considering what’s acceptable in human society. For instance, infanticide, as practiced by lions and many other animals, isn’t something people, gay or straight, generally approve of in humans.” This is from the National Geographic article that was mentioned.

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“In other words, if the urge to have sex is strong enough it may spill over into nonreproductive sex, as suggested by the actions of the bonobos and macaques. However, as Dunbar admits, there’s a long way to go before the causes of homosexuality in humans are fully understood.”

Here’s another part of the same article.

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Yes, but human sexual behavior is a sticky subject too, in science and psychology. It’s impossible to study objectively without your own personal beliefs and preferences clouding your judgment. If however, we are able to get a large diverse group of scientist to come together and compare their own results we might get close to the truth.

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How are you defining homosexuality? And what does the existence of homosexuality in the animal kingdom prove about humans?

I’m not sure what you’re trying to prove or disprove. Homosexual physical behavior has been observed in dolphins, homosexual emotional and physical behavior observed in a pair of penguins at New York Central Park Zoo. Wild male ostriches have been observed to court and mate and raise foster chicks. And wikipedia lists it’s source, “Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity.”

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I’m aware of those lines, Amber, because I read them. And I prefaced that post with “I don’t know what animal behavior exists or doesn’t exist arguments proves about humans. We are unique, aren’t we?”

Do you have a point? Or instead, are you simply fighting for a side?

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I meant to pose this question before, but I tend to ramble and forgot. If people are upset about Dumbledore being gay and Rowling saying that, why are they still posting? What’s the point of getting so upset about something like this? If you don’t like it, fine. Leave it alone! What good comes out of all this negative posting?

@ IF: you made a good point. JKR brought up the gay point. However, she only did that after being asked about it. It wasn’t something that she volunteered for everyone. It’s funny though, that of all I posted before, that you completely missed my point. Christians are told not to judge. They are told to love everyone. They are told to forgive. They are told to hate the sin but not the sinner. Oh, and about the fact that magic has interspersed society – do you not see the irony there?

“Christians” – please stop using God, the Bible and Christianity to promote hate. If you are truly Christians, you would know better than to be so angry, unforgiving and hateful. We are not called to judge and we are not called to talk like this to others.

What are you passing on to your children? Intolerance? Hate? That’s not of God.

And since when does being a Christian mean that we can’t have a sense of humor? Geez!

Dumbledore’s after-the-fact revelation does not change the fact that the books/movies are great.

There are so many other things in the world to be upset about. Why get so upset over something fiction? Why not be upset about the homelessness in America, or the increasing violence in schools, or the starving children in 3rd world countries?

This is not a fight that needs time wasted on, right? If you don’t like what JKR did, stop blogging!

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I personally don’t understand what all the fuss is about. This doesn’t change Dumbledore’s character in the least – he was an amazing wizard who fought for what was right and stood for love, not sexuality. I don’t believe JKR outed him for attention or for any reason at all, besides the fact that one of her fans asked her a question. The fact that he is gay is not even relevant to the plot, and the series is over, so even if someone had something against gays – which is wrong and prejudiced – this character will never come up in a book again, and is fictional besides. But the truth is that Dumbledore is still a wonderful character and JKR is still an amazing writer, and Harry Potter books are still something to love and treasure. Period.

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I also just want to say that I agree completely with Lucius is Lucious. You made some seriously good points in your post, and it was a joy to read :).

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CharlieJ: So, the “homosexual lifestyle” is “dangerous, promiscuous, and predatory in nature”? I’m a hetero female, and I’m appalled at what you wrote. You know absolutely nothing about this topic. Where did you get your info about gay people? Oh, don’t tell me, let me guess…in church? For all of you on here who are fed-up with Christians getting bashed, just take a look at what CharlieJ wrote and you’ll understand why it happens.

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Of course, but doesn’t make it right, Minerva. Everyone should stop bashing/ being bashed, and get treated equally, and have the same rights. Dumbledore included, he was one to be respected for what he DID in life, it’s ridiculous to assume every gay (including Dumbledore) is associated with tactics and activities that disagree with you.

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Scarlet…your post sounds so conceited to me! You’re just another arrogant, holier-than-thou so-called Christian. Oh, I’m sorry! I’m not supposed to call you ignorant, am I? Well, when it comes to God, you seem to be. Got a newsflash for ya, sweetie! God loves homosexuals, too. God made ‘em, and God loves ‘em! Everytime someone starts quoting the bible I get to wondering…is that person capable of thinking for him/herself or are they too scared to do anything but follow the party line? I believe that God made certain people to test the rest of us. You’re flunking-out, honey! Oh, and like so many of your ilk, you’re also a bit too obsessed with sex. Sorry to be so mean but this kind of garbage coming from phony Christians makes me sick!

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Brilliant stories, wonderful characters, all three of my kids have loved these books since they first one came out and they have all being re-read countless times. I do not think that DD being gay will affect their love for these stories, rather his bravery, his honesty and protection over this young students is more important. What I would like to know is why not from the very begining, rather the last book ??

I do know that sales of these books could well be affected in many African countries where homosexuality is still a punishable offence by either jail or hanging. That saddens me even more. Maybe in this instance it should never have been publishised at all. I watch Africa with intrest now, will HP be banned or not.

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Hi,

I’ve been following the posts for the last few days, and would like to say something. Firstly, there was a comment that people don’t have a problem with sex & violence on TV, they only have a problem with gays. That is not true – what our family watches on TV is closely watched. I am not a prude by any means, however, I do not enjoy watching sex on TV, never mind my children! Am I anti-sex, then? NO, I simply wish to teach my children morality and And, yes, I have done something about it. I tell my children WHY we choose not to watch such shows, and I have on occasion written to television stations and producers, voicing my opinion that there is far too much disgusting & graphic language, sex and violence in today’s television. My children have not been isolated from the world. We have a close friend who is gay and my children adore him, and know that he is gay. We sat down with them and explained to them that he loves boys, and that he is still our friend, even if we don’t agree with his sexual preference. He is still human, as are all of us, and he still has emotions, as do all of us. In our friendship, it is something that we have agreed to disagree on. He knows my views and beliefs, and I know his. Does this hurt our friendship? NO. Am I offended when he talks about his boyfriend? Not in the least. I don’t want to hear what goes on in the bedroom, but guess what: I don’t want to hear what goes on in the bedroom of anyone else, either!! We have taken the time to explain to our children that everyone is different, but that NO ONE has the right to be rude, mean, or hurtful to ANYONE ELSE. Unfortunately, as I have been reading these posts, I have seen such behaviour happening on BOTH SIDES. I am not “ignorant” because I do not agree with homosexuality. I am not close-minded. Just as you are, I am entitle to my own beliefs and opinions. Was I surprised when JKR said that Dumbledore was gay? Yup. Most definitely. Does that change how I feel about him? Not in an “eww, he’s gay” way at all. As has been noted, I can now understand Dumbledore’s feelings and reactions towards Grindelwald. Does it change how I feel about the books? Why should it? I am STILL reading them to my 5 and 9 year old girls. As several of you have pointed out, children see his character as a loving person, not as “gay”. Just the way all of us should see each other, while respecting other’s opinions and beliefs. Religion-bashing shouldn’t be happening here. Neither should gay-bashing. My religion teaches me to love everyone, and not judge others. I was under the impression that this was the same for most, if not all, religions. It appears I was sadly mistaken. If I have lost respect for anyone, it is those who choose to be hurtful and “ignorant” in how they are attempting to defend themselvs – by lashing out at others.

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sorry the above post looks so horrible to read. I did put paragraph breaks in, however I must have done something wrong. My apologies!

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JK Rowling is an egomaniac.

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See Hedwig that is how it should be but the problem is that a lot of people aren’t like you. They come on here saying “eww gross” and “This has ruined the character for me” That is what has us gays upset and some straight people on here. If you disagree with it that is ok but to hear insults flung at DD and Joe for this is just sad and infuriating. People tend to lash out at anyone that says they don’t like it on here because they assume they are just like the other on here saying “Ohh gays are going to roast in hell.” I am glad to know there are people out there like you. You recognize we are just people too. I mean I am sure there are things in your life i disagree with and I don’t want to know what happens in your bedroom either :P. People don’t realize what we want is the same rights as everyone else and to be accepted not as gays but just as human beings.

I have to live with a bit more stress being a furry and all so yeah I get some people thinking all kinds of bad things about me.

I hope joe hasn’t been here reading these comments thinking what horrible people some of us fans have been T_T we love ya Joe.

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I did not choose to be gay I was just born this way. DD forever fan!!!

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This was a huge dissappoinment to what otherwise would have been a great series. HP was already getting a lot of flak and now this gay thing is going to just add more problems to this issue. I see no reason why she should have stated this. I mean, it is not an important part of the book and HP has nothing to do with other’s sexuality. People were free to interpret it any way they wish.

She also strategically released this info after the majority of her 7th books were sold in North America as she knew the number of people buying the book otherwise would have dwindled.

She just smeared the name of what would have been a great character. Hey, maybe this explains why he was so close to Harry?

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Shoving it down people’s throats? Go to the mall and look at the straight couples holding hands. Go to a school and see the straight couples making out. Now look for the gay couples… where are they? I see hardly any.

BTW… HP is NOT a children’s book. Rowling said she never was writing for children.

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No, she wrote for herself. The books are heartless.

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“She just smeared the name of what would have been a great character. Hey, maybe this explains why he was so close to Harry?”

being gay does not make you a pedophile – try again.

being gay is not a negative thing, either – try again.

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“There is NO reason whatsoever to say anything about a character’s sexual behavior. Harry Potter shouldn’t be about sex—especially a sexual lifetyle that is dangerous, promiscuous and predatory in nature. This changes the entire character of Dumbaldore and will forever taint the Harry Potter series. Rowling should not have bowed to political correctness and pressures from an extremely small percentage of the population who were they bedroom behavior on their sleeves.”

This is a quote from a prior poster. When other posters ask, why no tolerance of bigots? Hmmmm…WWDS? What would Dumbledore say? You CHOOSE to be a bigot…You CHOOSE to continue to state trash about the “gay lifestyle” which is predatory (the old hate crap about child molesters), promiscuous, (my partner and I have been together for 14 years, two of our best friends who are lesbians have been together for 20..), and dangerous? How is it dangerous, pray tell?

This IS the 21st century.

Susan

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So, has this split the fan world in half as the rabid bigots posting on this list keep saying? I do not think so…. I think it’s more like 5% (maybe…maybe even less)....who are posting hate speech. It’s difficult for us lesbians and gays to hear, so of course we’re responding (and so are the tolerant straight people). Anyway, poor JKR if she HAD “announced it”. BTW, I think the thing about Aberforth and the goats is a JOKE…I don’t think JKR is really suggesting Aberforth is into bestiality.. However, it does explain why she wasn’t more explicit about DD. Although they are not children’s books (the first two maybe), she knows she has a huge fan base of kids. Notice her careful response to the 8 year old about keeping the goat’s hair clean and giving it curly horns. She carefully states that a child will see a close friendship between DD and GG, but sensitive adults will see the infatuation. Talking to children? Well, maybe if you’re homeschooling your children and don’t let them watch television (we don’t even watch commercial television in our house because of the sex, banality, violence, crudity)...maybe then they won’t know that some people are gay. Otherwise, you probably will have to have the conversation sooner or later. Susan

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Susan,

I think what Dumbledore would say is to tolerate the bigots. He tolerated Lucious, he tolerated Draco, and what he tried to do was change thier hearts from being friends rather than saying “You choose to be a bigot. You choose to be intolerant.”

While you can condemn someone’s behavior bigotry, you can’t condemn the bigot.

Alex

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If people don’t want to read the book anymore because DD is gay, that’s fine, because they wouldn’t actually understand the message of the book anyway, which is to love and tolerate. I mean the story itself might be interesting to them, but they wouldn’t understand this concept of “tolerance”.

And this talk about shoving homosexuality down people’s throats is ridiculous. The people who keep repeating that seem to be ignoring the posts that say that heterosexuality does the same thing! Heterosexuality might not have a parade once a year, but in almost every TV show and movie, it’s a man+woman relationship, every magazine ad, it’s a man+woman kissing, everything in this WORLD is designed for heterosexual people, so don’t DARE say homosexuality shoves itself down people’s throats. Maybe this is why it takes gay people [who are naturally born like that!!] till their older to “come out”, because if the world is shoving heterosexuality down their throats, why would they ever want to embrace something that they feel is natural but the rest of the world insists is not?

But this is a Harry Potter fansite, not a gay bashing/support site so I’ll stop talking about that now.

And anybody who keeps saying she said this with some ulterior motive is somebody I disagree with. She didn’t have a huge press conference announcing he was gay, she ONLY said that because SHE WAS ASKED!! WHY CAN’T PEOPLE GET THAT THROUGH THEIR HEADS!? Also, if she was trying to shove homosexuality down our throats, she would have actually written it into the book. She ONLY SAID SO BECAUSE SHE WAS ASKED and got mad when reporters badgered her over it.

And seriously, does that fact that he is gay really take away from ALL THE OTHER GOOD THINGS that the book supports? Like love, tolerance [hahaha yeah right], friendship, bravery, etc? Is the fact that he is gay SO UNBEARABLY WRONG that all the other admirable traits the book promotes are immediately cancelled out because the book reflects reality a little more?

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“You suggest that we stop being Harry Potter fans if we disagree with you -is that a fair represntation of what you said ?”

M Jones, I hope you’ll eventually get around to reading what I actually wrote rather than using ‘creative licence’ to twist the words around. I said “THOSE NOT WISING TO REMAIN”, so I am refering to those who have said that the books have now been ruined for them, and that they’re no longer fans of the books. If that doesn’t apply to you then relax for goodness sakes. If you see that suggestion as latent aggression then you’ll always find it difficult to handle debate and disagreement.

Am I happy that some HP fans are disgruntled? Of course not, but just as you have to accept that gay people exist and have a basic human right to be represented, I have to accept that there will be people who take exception to that. That doesn’t mean I have to agree with it, which is why I am here putting my opinion across.

And I am STILL waiting for someone to answer the questions as to why JKR should not have been free (in the Land of the Free) to answer the question the way she did, and why the anti’s overlook the ‘sin’ of witchcraft in the books, but not the post-book revelation that ONE character was gay? To me, that smacks of hypocrisy, and I take exception to that more than anything else.

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well, actually, I thought once or twice he might be gay because he had no wife or another relationship with a woman. but I thought in today’s HOMOFOBIC world she wouldn’t be brave enough.

and I was wrong, well done, Jo!!!

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JKR is just politically correct. By all means in the EU. Here the governments praise homosexuality. There is no courageousness in her behavior at all from my point of view. She is supported by Gordon Brown and his wife, who are her personal friends. Nothing to fear for the Lady.

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As to the whole “Neville marrying Hannah Abott is completely random” posts: how many people have you heard of that married a person who they dated in school? I only know that one of my friends have done so, another friend plans to do so, and (through a Facebook page just for announcements for my graduating class) I learned that a few guys and girls that I’ve never met but went to my high school had married his or her h.s. girlfriend/boyfriend as well. That’s it. Five couples out of a graduating class of 927. Granted, my boyfriend and I (we plan to marry) went to the same high school (he graduated the class after me), but I didn’t know that he existed until a random meeting at Steak and Shake TWO YEARS after I graduated from h.s.! Neville marrying a person he wasn’t close with or even knew at 15-18 years of age refects the VAST majority of married couples today. The Harry/Ginny type of marriage is in the minority. Just go and ask your parents how they met to see this. Few of them will say that they’ve been together since high school.

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*ugggh, I meant to say one of my friends HAS done so, good grief lol

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Shoving it down people’s throats? Go to the mall and look at the straight couples holding hands. Go to a school and see the straight couples making out. Now look for the gay couples… where are they? I see hardly any.

1 – “Straight” people ” as you call us have no need to hide our perfectly natural and normal feelings for those who we love.

There is no comparison between our behavior and the world we create and further and other forms of conduct, in respect of which, the less said the better.

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Gay people should have no need to hide their perfectly natural and normal God-given feelings for those they love.

There is no comparison between acceptance of differences in humanity and those thinking that their way is the only correct way. Look around you and realize that everyone is equally unique, and everyone is equally human.

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Susan, why do you speak of tolerance and then show your bigotry of homeschooling. Get with the times. Not all homeschoolers are raised in a bubble. We are part of the community. Just ask around.

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Alex wrote -Gay people should have no need to hide their perfectly natural and normal God-given feelings for those they love.

There is no comparison between acceptance of differences in humanity and those thinking that their way is the only correct way.

Alex what you say is logically impossible. Homosexuals call normal people “straight”; they presumably use the opposite of straight for their behavior.

No one is suggesting or advocating any violent conduct towards homosexuals. Quite the reverse in fact, as they should be treated with sympathy and kindness in the hope that they can be encouraged to voluntarily change their behavior and join the normal world.

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If she wanted DD to be gay, that’s fair enough, I have no problems with that. But why not mention it in the book, and not do it afterwards? To me it screams publicity when everything to do with the 7th book was dying down. It hasn’t changed my opinion on the character, but it has on her. What a cop out! There was just no need for that announcement. She needs to get over herself, and quickly. She knew it would cause the discussion it did, yet she’s pretending to be surprised by it all. Whatever.

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M Jones, homosexuals do not refer to heterosexuals as normal people, because all human behavior is normal behavior. Heterosexuality is just popular, and normal to you. In the days of slavery, white people were considered normal people, and others dark-skinned. But all skin tones are normal. Sexuality is normal. I do not say anything logically impossible. The normal world is this planet, and everything in it, not what any one human’s limited exposure can show them.

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wow i never really thought about untile now. thank you Jo you are the best author to ever live! we need more author like around! i love your book and you you are my number one hero! the amazing thing is i don’t think less of dumbledore he still has the same effect he had before! even if my parents won’t let me read it anymore

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@shygirl21 Jo you are the best author to ever live! we need more author like around! i love your book and you you are my number one hero

GREAT JOKE. I laughed so hard, more please.

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Teddy- How can you get so terribly upset with me for saying that JK Rowling has no right… and then turn around and tell me that I have no right to make such statements. Don’t argue with me until you can at least be somewhat logical. As I stated before I am entitled to my opinion.

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I have no issues with gays, and I’m glad JKR has announced that Dumbledore was gay. I just think it’s wrong that she waited until it was over to announce it because it felt like I never was “really” able to understand him.

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Inteesting to see what the reaction will be forty years from now. I remember a huge outcry against a movie in 1967 called “Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner” for featuring a relationship between black Sidney Poitier and white Katherine Houghton. Interracial marriage was still illegal in many states the year the movie was released – seems rather silly now, doesn’t it?

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Dumbledore is gay? Please! Seems like some have forgotten that Dumbledore is a FICTIONAL character. As such, he could be a transvestite, hermaphrodite or any other crazy attribute that Rowling wants to attach to his persona. What a bunch of rubbish.

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It’s true. It’s HER character, and therefore, her choice to say and decide what he is. And for God’s sake, why is it so important that she should’ve mentionned it in the books? Life is more important than sexual orientation, colour or whatever. Get a life, people.

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The people who are upset about JKR revealing that Dumbledore is gay, would be just as upset if she revealed that he is black.

Bigots is bigots.

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I completly understand why jo didn’t make a big thing about (coming out) with regards to dumbledore, i think it was a case of the individual taking it how they personally saw it and it is really anoying to see reporters blowing it more out of praportion than is needed, and not taking the hints jo was making to move on to another subject but to keep pressing the point is just anoying and i really feel for her having to have a confrence like that and having it end so negativly like that when i thought the hole perpose of it was for he to recieve and award… hmmm… it so annoying the way people are acting and what they are making this out to be, i say to jo, keep your head up your awsome and the true fans will be behind her 150% always… xx bec

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For everyone preaching tolerance: It works both ways. How about some tolerance for those who think it was unnecessary for JK Rowling to explicitly state that Dumbledore was gay?

This is an opinion. That doesn’t necessarily make us homophobes or narrow-minded—many believe it was just not necessary and she shouldn’t have said it. If you assume we’re ignorant or intolerant based on this opinion, then how narrow-minded does that make YOU?

These books appeal to all ages, but were mainly geared toward kids. And, many people believe that (thanks to the media) there’s already way too much exposure to and discussion of sexuality in general, before kids are really ready to handle the topic both intellectually and emotionally. So why bring up his sexuality at all? Gay or not, who cares? It’s not necessary. He was close with Grindelwald—fine…leave it at that, let readers form their own conclusions.

If as she says, the adult reader could have surmised this on their own, then why not let them interpret the writing?

For her to have to tell us he’s gay, to me, just sounds preachy: “See, for all you intolerant people out there, I remind you that intelligent and caring people CAN also be gay!” No kidding JK, thanks for the sermon…and for throwing the topic of sexuality at our kids yet again.

And for anyone who is getting entirely too worked up over this whole thing: get over yourselves already. Stop name-calling and get a life, surely there are other things to worry about.

And for the nitpickers who keep criticizing spelling and grammar—please, get real…it’s a blog, not a spelling test.

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To all those who have expressed dismay over the revelation of a fictional character’s sexuality: I’d be interested to know your responses to the following points…

1) The books deal explicitly with murder. No-one has blogged criticising this element of the stories, or suggested that extensive representation of killing will harm children in the way they have homosexuality. Do you think homosexuality is a worse sin than murder? Think carefully before answering….

2) Many have claimed that Rowling’s statement was wrong because it introduces the idea of sexuality to young children. The books (and the films) already discuss this, in the shape of Harry’s heterosexuality. Nobody has suggested that this is wrong, so why is the statement about Dumbledore controversial? Either all sexuality is to be represented to children, or none is.

3) A nonesensical ‘jusification’ for homophobia is that gay sex isn’t natural. The definition of natural is something that occurs in nature. Sex occurs in nature, between consenting adults of different or same sexes, therefore it’s natural. What isn’t natural includes, oh, air travel, television, the internet, wizardry… so ban the books because they describe (unnatural) magic, switch off that (unnatural) DVD and stop blogging on this (unnatural) website, but don’t criticise (natural) homosexuality. Oh, and many heterosexual people have sex without wanting children; are they unnatural too?

4) It is not an example of tolerance to let bigotry pass unquestioned. The perspectives of homophobes make life very difficult for non-heterosexuals; that’s what makes them bigots. If their comments had no effect on the world, then fine, ignore them. But they do. The freedom of a group of people is limited as a result. In contrast, no-one wants to stop people engaging in all forms of consenting heterosexual behaviour, so the homophobes themselves are free to practice as they like. That is the difference, and the double standard revealed in the homophobic (and neo-nazi, racist, misogynist etc.) apprpriation of free speech. If a law is passed banning heterosexuality, then complain of prejudice. Until then, think carefully about what you say.

Sorry about the length of this.

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The Harry Potter Books are primarily “children’s” books, which are written well enough and are rich enough with the familiar hero’s journey to fascinate and entertain adults as well. They do not contain content that most parents would consider inappropriate for their young children (this might not be said of the film versions). They are children’s books but not exclusively children’s books. This is obvious from their popularity amongst all ages. So the question of why didn’t the author include certain details about the sexual orientation she envisioned for a particular character in a book she meant to be read by children seems obvious. As this was to be a children’s book the subject of sexuality, hetero- or homo- really had no place and would have certainly been a big issue with responsible parents.

I was troubled when I heard from a coworker (who was very amused by the story) that J.K. Rowling declared that Dumbledore was gay. I value the books firstly as children’s books. So now they have brought sex into the books. A real let down! I do not think however that Ms. Rowling intended to reveal this news or any other specific detail unless she was asked about that detail. To her the idea of a person with a same sex attraction to another person was not such a big deal so envisioning a character she created with that particular characteristic was natural and to be expected. It is simply how she saw the character to get him where he needed to be at the end of the story. Although she considered him so she did not present Dumbledore as obviously gay throughout the book because his sexual orientation was not important throughout the book nor was it appropriate in a book she meant to be read by children. There were other characters in the series that became attracted to each other and love and falling in love was important to the message presented but sex and sexuality was not.

My impression of her statements concerning the development of the character and plot ending is that in order for Dumbledore, a brilliant young wizard, to be caught up in an obviously questionable friendship\relationship with Grindelwald, he would need to be blinded to his dark side. To be that oblivious to the dark path he was traveling Rowling felt that Dumbledore would need to be in love (Eros) with Grindelwald.

In his book, The Four Loves, Lewis writes: “Now Eros makes a man really want, not a woman, but one particular woman. In some mysterious but quite indisputable fashion the lover desires the Beloved herself, not the pleasure she can give.” Also, Pulled from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Loves It must be noted, states Lewis, that just as Lucifer—a former archangel—perverted himself by pride and fell into depravity, so too can love—commonly held to be the arch-emotion—become corrupt by presuming itself to be what it is not (“love begins to be a demon the moment he begins to be a god”).

Eros is not about the desire for sexual pleasure but the desire for one particular individual. If we can allow for Lewis’ description of Eros to be non-gender specific I can see a situation where two potentially great and extreamly intellegent young men (Dumbledore and Grindelwald) seeing themselves as intellecual equals become friends. Dumbledore, capable of great love and devotion as we know, is thrilled at finding an intellectual equal and someone to share ideas becomes infactuated with Grindelwald. This infactuation leads to a true desire for the individual (Eros) and ultimatly leading to his blind devotion of Grindelwald. This blind devotion is the elevation of the love to a god status and ultamately the demon that ends the relationship. The tragedy is the dark road traveled, loosing focus of the really important things (Dumbledore’s brother and sister) and ultamately the death of Ariana.

I think Rowling needed this situation. If Grindelwald had been written as a witch instead of a wizzard would anything else have changed? I don’t think so.

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In answer to Jon

1. The presentation of sex and violence to children in book and film need not necessarily be wrong if they are presented in a way that agrees with the beliefs that the family (parents) wants to teach their children. Murder is usually presented as a wrongful act committed by bad people. For most, this message is accurate. Acts of violence committed against another person are wrong. Sex, however and sexual content presented to our children in what they read or watch is usually presented in a way that promotes promiscuity and deviance. This message, for many is a wrong message for our children. Presentation is everything. 2. Rowling presented the idea that a character she created had an orientation society understands as being gay. What she needed was a character that was capable of becoming infatuated and loving another character so deeply that he would loose sight of what was important. Dumbledore lost himself in his love for another so much he neglected his family, was blind to the dark road he was heading down and ultimately suffers from the tragedy that follows. None of this had anything to do with sex or sexual desire. Although it may be difficult to see this in current society, desire for another and the desire for sexual pleasure are separate things. Rowling revealed that a character she created was capable of falling in love with another character. She presents nothing that suggests a desire for a sexual relationship. 3. There are many definitions of natural. Here is another. Natural: in conformity with the ordinary course of nature; not unusual or exceptional. To many people, homosexuality is unusual and exceptional. However, most except that it is a fact in that it does exist. Homophobia implies a fear of homosexuals, which some may have but the real thing is that many who oppose it feel that it is immoral. Heterosexual people having sex out of wedlock may be looked at by many as committing a sinful act and therefore immoral. When this is presented to our children, many parents may feel that the message is harmful. 4. See response to number 3.

The media has made this revelation all about sex and society have fed on the dish served. Dumbledore is still about love and Rowling’s view of him was another way to show how deeply his capacity for love is. She used the word “gay” to describe him but what she meant to convey is not so much that he was a homo-“sexual’ but that he was capable of intense love for another that just happen to be the same sex as he. Again, if Grindelwald was written as a witch instead of a wizard would anything else have needed to change? I do not think so.

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DaveG,

1. I would agree that sex in hollywood can often be presented as promiscuous, and sometimes deviant. But I also believe that what we view as normal doesn’t stick with us, and what we view as over-the-top does. Ratings exist because there are some things that are over-the-top in hollywood, and that don’t mesh with people’s limited view on the world, so ratings make it possible that only people with objective minds can see this material. Presentation is everything. And the fact that no sex was presented in the book, and heterosexuality was the only sexual persuasion shown (except maybe something with someone and goats, I haven’t read that far), shows that JKR has written books that know how to present a gay character without going too far. Homosexuality as attraction in itself isn’t too far, children’s minds can accept it, they just aren’t ready to know about sex.

2. Love is blind. You are very insightful.

3. Homophobia’s meaning has changed/ is different from it’s etymology. Homophobia as I see it is fear of a world where homosexuality is norm/accepted. Sex has changed, it’s no longer just a means of procreation, it’s entertainment. Not to say it’s JUST entertainment, there are a lot of complicated feelings and risks associated. Whether you are one to believe that sex should be reserved for a higher purpose (I for one), or should be an act of love and fun, no one has a right to regulate what other people can/can’t do based on personal views of what is a sin. While there are a lot of people who believe this country was founded to be a country for God (and follow God by playing a generational game of Telephone), and thus have homophobia, I would say that more agree this to be a country for the people. A land of the free.

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Nothing against Christians – some of my best friends are Christian – but please let’s not ignore history. Many, if not most, of the world’s atrocities have been committed in the name of Jesus. The Crusades, the Inquisition, the Holocaust, to name a few. Even the segregationism was spearheaded by so-called Christians. To those who would bash gays and lesbians in His name, beware – history will paint you with the same brush. And, as someone who preached that, of all of God’s laws, to love one another is the most important, you probably have Jesus weeping.

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Like JKR said Dumbledore is her character. She can do whatever she wants in her books and say whatever she wants. I always said this that Dumbledore is and always will be my favorite character. I will support him in anyway i can. JKR i really love your books please keep up the great work and i always will be a true fan of yours no matter what.

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Thank you very much JK for this revelation into Dumbledore. It makes me love him all the more. And as for the naysayers, just remember that the people that matter don’t mind and the people that mind don’t matter. And honestly I believe that revealing that Dumbledore was gay AFTER THE FACT was a brilliant move. Society is so full of biggots that they won’t give someone, even if that someone is a character, a chance if they know that they are homosexual. You created this kind, wise, and brave character, made everyone fall in love with him, and then revealed his sexual orientation. Society’s and the naysayers’ reactions are simply a reflection of their ignorace: which is the fact that no matter how brave or wise or funny someone might be, if they are a homosexual, then that makes all of their qualities null and void, in their opinion.

So, in conclusion, the negative response to Dumbledore’s sexuality doesn’t point to a problem with Dumbledore or JKR. It points to a problem with those people who cannot look past a man’s private involuntary sexual oritenation to appreciate all the good things about him.

On a side note, I’m a pretty masculine/butch gay male. People who get to know me before I tell them I’m gay, usually find me to be a pretty likable person. Most of them still like me even after I’ve come out to them, if they got to know me before hand. However, if they found out that I was gay before they got to know me, then alot of them wouldn’t even give me a chance in the first place. Why? Ignorace and prejudice and negative assumptions.

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No offense, but did anyone else crack up when they found out that DD was gay? I personally found it a very interesting tidbit, on the same level as the Weasley’s hair isn’t really red, they only dye it, or that Hermione’s parents got divorced. It’s not that big of a deal guys.

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It´s right for everybody to be what she/he/it wants to be! Cool! I´m not a homosexual but I really thank You, JKR!!! Good luck! Love for personally Freedom!

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Why are people still going on about JKR “bringing up” Dumbledore’s sexuality? She DIDN’T, a FAN did. She answered a question.

Seriously. What should she have done, lied to the fan? GREAT loyalty to the fanbase, really.

JRK didn’t introduce jack to the stories. She was asked a question about a character and answered it. Whether you like it or not, the backstory was in the book. You not seeing it right away doesn’t mean it’s not, and you refusing to see it because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not, either. PLENTY of fans saw the Dumbledore/Grindenwald subtext, and in the very first chapter of Hallows, Rita Skeeter’s interview reveals that she’s found something “not right” about DD’s sexuality.

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I really think it is time to move off this issue. We know what everyone thinks about it now. Some of my friends were upset about it at first, but now they are over it and they really couldn’t care less anymore. They still love the books. For those of you who think it was wrong for JKR to make Dumbledore gay-alright. great. your entitled to your opinions. but whats done is done, and theres no use arguing over it. Jo is not going to change it. go ahead and stop reading the books and seeing the movies if it bothers you so much. For those who don’t give a hoot-lets continue to enjoy a great FICTIONAL story for years to come. Long live harry potter!

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I’m extremely disappointed that JKR decided to make Dumbledore gay. Why ruin a perfectly wonderful series with a revelation like this? The only possible motive could be to hype the books and movies up even more than they are. Aren’t you rich enough already? I’ll still love the books forever, but have lost a great deal of respect for the author.

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Pretend just for a moment that the culture in which we live absolutely accepted homosexuality (or any sexuality) as just another characteristic of an individual, like the color of your hair or your eyes. This may not be a great analogy but what I’m trying to convey is a society that doesn’t consider ones sexual orientation a big deal at all (I know this is not the case but for my illustration just imagine this is true). When you talk about person you don’t usually make a huge deal about their hair color or what size shoe they wear. You would probably not be concerned with whether or not they were gay either. If you wrote a book, living in this fictitious society, you may envision a character with blue eyes or was bi-sexual but unless it was important to the story you may not include that information. If a character was gay it would be about as big a deal as if you said that their favorite color was green. Although this is not really true of our society I’ll bet there a some people (probably not many Americans) that feel that a person’s sexual orientation is not a very big deal and not worth mentioning unless it is pertinent to the discussion or plot of the book you happen to be writing. Perhaps Ms. Rowling feels this way. Maybe being gay is just another characteristic of a person and if it is important to the story it will be included. I believe that Ms. Rowling needed a situation where DD experienced deep love for the Grindelwald character. A love that caused DD to loose his perspective and make a big mistake. She didn’t need the love to be reciprocated or for there to be a sexual encounter (remember these are children’s books). Perhaps, for her, making DD gay was not a big deal. He just needed to fall in love with another key character that just happened to also be male. Why couldn’t that great and powerful Grindlewald have been written as a witch instead? I don’t think much of the story would have changed if Grindelwald had been female. DD would still have fallen in love and the tragedy would have occurred. Finding out that DD was strait would not have been headline news. Did Ms. Rowling feel that a female gender would be too week for the part of such a dark and powerful challenger to DD? Perhaps the feminist should explore this. They may have an issue too.

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Sorry, but is it too late to ask a question about Dumbledore’s sexual orientation? I wanted to ask this earlier but couldn’t seem to get it posted. First, I totally get that JKR can, and has, made Dumbledore gay because that’s how she wanted to create him. But it took me by surprise, because early in the first book Dumbledore says (in response to praise from Professor McGonagall) “It’s lucky it’s dark. I’ve haven’t blushed so much since Madame Pomfrey told me she liked my new earmuffs.” To me, that sounded like a staight (albeit eccentric) man’s statement. I’d love to hear what others think about it.

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